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went wrong with that rocket today. and it is possible if their supplies run out, they'll have to use their escape capsule to come home, leaving the space station vacant with nobody home, if only temporarily, for the first time ever. a reminder both boeing and spacex are working on an american spacecraft that can actually launch american astronauts into space. imagine what that would be like. probably a lot like the 1960s. that is our broadcast for this thursday night. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. >> lots of news to coffer tonight as we expected at this time last night, daybreak today brought absolutely terrible images of the destruction left behind by hurricane michael, particularly where it made landfall in mexico beach, florida, and nearby panama city. today we have been following the news of that devastation. hospital evacuations in the
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panhandle. the scary news about helicopters being used to air lift in pallets of food and water to a large scale. secure psychiatric facility that wasn't evacuated ahead of the storm. so we'll have more on the storm damage ahead, including what appears to be pretty significant damage at tin dell air force base. that air force base was evacuated, but the footage we're getting tonight indicates there may be serious and very expensive damage at tyndall air base, including, it looks liking, to lots of aircraft at that base. the dow jones dropped over 500 points today after it lost over 800 points yesterday. this two-day sell-off may be a fluke, it may be about larger systemic concerns involving the president's elective trade war or the fed or whatever, but for whatever reason, dropping 1400 points in two days is enough to flip anyone's stomach. today the u.s. senate made plans to go home and not come back until well after the midterms
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are over. wow, must be nice. a third of the seats in the u.s. senate are up this election, so lots of incumbent senators of course want to head home to campaign instead of being stuck in washington doing all that dumb voting on stuff, a and all the other boring senate stuff they don't like. the deal they reached to go home for the election seems like a cheap deal for the republicans. as part of this deal, democrats agreed they would speed the approval of 15 male trump-appointed federal judges. a new list of 15 in exchange for -- that's what they're giving, the democrats are giving, we're going to speed through 15 judges you want for lifetime appointments. we get in response the right to go home now. that seems to be the whole deal. if something seems off to you about that, you're right. i mean, obviously it hurts democratic incumbents as much as
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it hurts republican incumbents to not be able to campaign at home. so nobody really knows why democrats agreed to give up any semblance of a fight on 15 lifetime federal judge appointments in order to just be allowed to go home. but that's what they did. why do you have to make a major unilateral concession to get something that the other side wants, too? if you'd said, no, we're not going to give you all those judges, the republicans might have said, okay, we'll all stay here and none of us can go home and campaign, or they might have said, now we really want to go home. either way, democrats wouldn't be any worse off when it comes to fighting with the republicans right now. but, hey, it's senate democrats. it's not like anybody is disappointed because it's not like anyone expected anything better. last night we had a really big viewer response from a story we did quite towards the end of the show about what appears to be a big voter suppression effort that's underway in the state of georgia.
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georgia is the state where democrat stacey abrams on the right is running against brian kemp. as the sitting governor, he is in charge of elections in that state. he hasn't stepped down from the responsibilities even though he himself will be at the top of the ticket in november because he's the republican's party for governor. he's effectively supervising his own election. as we talked about last night base on new reporting from the a.p., brian kemp office put on hold, they put in limbo, 53,000 applications for voter registrations in his state. so these aren't people who have tried to register to vote in this year's election in georgia, but the secretary of state's office is not letting them do it. these people have submitted their voter registration applications. secretary of state is holding them and not letting them go through. of the 53,000 applications that brian kemp's office is currently sitting on, the a.p. reports
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nearly 70% of those applications are from african-american voters. the overall population in georgia is like somewhere between 30 and 35% black. 70% of the applications he's blocking are from black voters. i wonder what all this is about. since the a.p. first reported on this problem in georgia -- and this is a big problem, tens of thousands of registrations, there's been sort of a growing uproar, not just in that state but around the country about it. tonight the lawyers committee for civil rights has announced that they filed a lawsuit against brian kemp over those registrations that he and his office are blocking ahead of his own gubernatorial election. lawyers committee for civil rights seems fairly confident in their prospects of beating brian kemp in this lawsuit. they say they have beaten him in the past on this same issue. and they expect to do so again. that confidence is interesting, and it may be true that they're going to beat him here, but
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tick-tock, the election is 26 days away. but here's another jaw-dropping story about the election. this one also just breaking over the last 24 hours, and this one ends with a bizarre arrest. we're going to hear in a moment from the person arrested at the end of this story. here's where the story starts. 1971, voting age in this country changes from 21 to 18. and that meant, for one thing, that americans who were getting sent off to go fight in vietnam, they'd now be old enough to vote for or against the politicians who were sending them to fight, which seems just like a baseline morally correct thing to do. as a practical matter, though, that voting change from 21 to 18 meant that 11 million new voters were suddenly created in the united states all at once. at least 11 million young people were newly eligible to vote. and that's a very exciting prospect if you have faith in the electoral wisdom of young voters. but those 11 million new voters
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were also a very scary prospect to people who didn't like the way they thought young people would vote. you know, we're almost 50 years on from that change in american law, and the dynamic is basically still exactly the same. this year in 2018, republicans' best chance for holding onto congress is if young people don't get out and vote. the polling data from this year that shows most young people don't intend to vote in the elections in november, that literally is republicans' best hope of holdling onto control of congress. and it's democrats' worst fear. but back in 1971 when they first dropped the voting age from 21 to 18 -- so 18, 19, 20-year-olds could all vote. back then when they made the change there was a bift a national freak out, specifically over the prospect of college students voting as a block in the college towns where they lived and went to school. from middlebury, vermont to lexington, kentucky, from
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mississippi to new jersey, texas, pennsylvania, michigan, all over in college towns there were lawsuits all of a sudden to try to stop students from voting in their college towns. once the voting age went to 18. happened everywhere. and almost everywhere those lawsuits were filed, they failed, because the courts kept finding over and over again that if anybody over age 18 can vote in this country, and vote where they live, well, that applies to college students, too. just because college students live where they go to school, that doesn't change anything about their right to vote where they live. the courts were almost universally consistent on that point. that college students over the age of 18 have a constitutional right to register and vote from where they are living to go to school. but still, eventually even though most of the lower courts all lined up, eventually those legal fights made it up to the supreme court, and that's because of a particularly brutal fight over the subject at a school called prairie view.
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prairie view a&m. it's northwest of houston. it's between houston and austin as the crow flies. prairie view a&m is a historically black college in a county, waller county, texas, that's not so black. right now waller county texas, the overall population of the county is 70% white, but the student body population at prairie view a&m is 82% black. and in 1972, the year after the voting age changed from 21 to 18, lots and lots of students at prairie view decide that had they wanted to register and vote for the 1972 election. it was a super hot election, right? nixon is running for reelection, running against a liberal anti-war candidate george mcgovern. prairie view students, 18, 19, 20-year-olds, they've newly got the right to vote, they decide like students around the country, that they wanted to register and vote. and they decided that in large numbers. county officials in waller county, texas, though, decided they were not going to allow
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that. they did not want these prairie view students voting, not in their county. top elections official in the county dug in personally and decided he would make it his life's mission to block those students from voting in his county. he had his own ideas about what constituted a real waller county resident for the purposes of voting. and students at that black school did not fit that idea that he had, and so he invented all sorts of tests that had the effect of not letting students at that local college register to vote in waller county. that turned into a legal fight that wound its way through the courts. ultimately by 1979, that fight got to the supreme court and the supreme court ruled unequivocally in the students' favor. just like all those lower courts had said, too. you can vote where you live, even if the reason you're living there is because you're going to college there. it is an unequivocal principle affirmed by the supreme court thanks to the students in
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prairie view, texas, who wouldn't give up. waller county, texas, wouldn't give up either. they wouldn't give up trying to shut down those students from voting. not in their county. are you kidding in have you seen those students? all right. even after that supreme court ruling in 1979, waller county kept going after those students at that local college, over and over and over again. in 1992, so more than a decade after the supreme court had ruled in the students' favor -- in 1992, more than a dozen students from prairie view a&m got indicted, got criminally charged for illegally voting. originally it was reported that 14 students were indicted. ultimately it was actually 19 students who got indicted. they were indicted for illegally voting. they were not illegally voting. they were voting from their residential address, which was the school, the college at which they resided. but the county just decided, you know what, that looks illegal to
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us. 19 students indicted. clearly an effort to keep students at that school from voting in the 1992 election. ultimately, the department of justice sent a nasty letter to county officials amid that pressure from washington, amid the uproar over the students being indicted -- see that photo there, quoting, public enemy? remember, it was 1992. ultimately after the uproar, all those indictments did get dismissed, but waller county wasn't done. in 2003, the county d.a. published an article in the newspaper pledged in the local paper that he would indict any students who voted for criminal voter fraud. that was 2003. 2006, in the election that's year, hundreds of prairie view students had their votes challenged. again, on the basis of the fact that those students had committed the grieve us voting grime of trying to vote while
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being students at an historically black college in a mostly white county. in 2008, the county decided that despite the thousands of students at the college, despite the thousands of registered voters among the students at the college, the county decided in its wisdom they would set up a super convenient polling place for those students that was just about 30 miles from campus. this county in texas, waller county in texas -- supreme court or no -- they have just absolutely dug in. they will do anything they can to make it as hard as possible for these black students to vote. they'll do anything they can. it wasn't until 2013, almost 40 years after that supreme court ruling in the students' favor, that the students ever got their first polling location that was actually on campus. and lest you think that means that the fight there is at least now over, no, it's not, because now it's 2018 and so now the county has a new plan.
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this is from houston station, local houston station khou. >> nearly 10,000 students attend prairie view a&m university. so we're talking a lot of potential votes. turns out, tua dresses prairie view a&m students were told to use on registration forms are in different precincts, meaning on election day, a large number of students might not be able to vote on campus. or they'd possibly be turned away. trey duh an tells me they are working to remedy address issues. >> we understand waller county has had a history, but we have worked very hard to make sure the students have their right to vote. i want all the students at prairie view to know there is nothing, nothing that is going to be done to deprive them of their ability to vote if they registered for this election. >> if they have registered for this election. if, if they have registered, but
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are they registered? are they properly registered? you saw the bit in that news footage about the two addresses they were told to use on the voter registration forms. that was at the direction of the county. what county told students at prairie view was if they want to register to vote, they should register to vote using two school addresses that the county gave them. the county told them to use those addresses on their registration forms. now the county says, actually, no, maybe one of those addresses is wrong. hope you didn't register using that one. the deadline to register to vote for next month's elections in texas was this week, it was tuesday. so yesterday, wednesday, the day after the deadline, the campaign for the democratic congressional candidate in that district, matt siegl, running against republican incumbent michael mccaul, he sent his field director to waller county courthouse to deliver a letter,
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to deliver this letter. it's a letter that is basically trying to protect the vote of the students at prairie view. it is a letter from local democrats, including the field director's candidate, mr. siegl, and it demands that since these students registered to vote using the address the county gave them and told them to put on their forms, the county shouldn't now block these kids from voting or try to send them somewhere else, or field them out to some other precinct they don't know where it is or make them fill out additional documentation like they've done something wrong. what these kids did was follow the county's directions for how to register. they didn't do anything wrong. if the county screwed it up they shouldn't make it harder for the kids or block them from voting and deal with their own mistake. so that's the letter. candidate mike siegl sends his field director down to the county seat, down to the county courthouse to personally deliver this letter. time is of the essence, right? voter registration deadline was on tuesday. he sends his field director down to the courthouse the day after the voter registration deadline,
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yesterday. field director delivers the letter to a clerk at the courthouse. field director then apparently snaps a picture of the fact that he has delivered the letter to the clerk at the courthouse to verify that the letter has been delivered. then they arrested him. they asked him what party the candidate was whose campaign he worked for. and then they arrested him. and, yes, it is as weird as it sounds. this is from the houston chronicles write up of what happened here. quote, a field director for democratic congressional candidate mike seeing he will was arrested at the waller county courthouse yesterday after he delivered a letter demanding the county update the status of students at a nearby college whose registrations were thrown into question the day before. the bailiff stopped the campaign field director as he was trying to exit the building and then apparently called the police. the field director then called the candidate he works for who is an attorney. the candidate mike siegl said on
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the phone with his field director, he heard his field director being -- excuse me, repeatedly asking, why he was being held by police and whether he was free to go. at one point the field director told a detaining officer that the lawyer he was on the phone with during this conversation was a candidate who was running for congress. according to the candidate and his field director, the officer then asked, quote, what party is he from? shortly after, the field director told him that his candidate was democrat. the young field director was arrested. he was told apparently that he was being arrested for a 48-hour investigative detention. there were initial reports that he was arrested for not producing identification to a law enforcement officer. we have seen other reports that said he was arrested for suspicious behavior in a courthouse. police -- excuse me, a sheriff's captain told that to josh, at talking points. in any case, they arrested him.
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the guy is out now, but here's like my sort of like the favorite little grace note for me in this whole story. after they arrested the congressional candidate's field director, reportedly after confirming with him that he worked for a democratic campaign specifically, after they arrested him and they held him and then they finally let him out -- even afternoon they finally let him out, they kept his phone. he is the field director for the democratic congressional candidate in that district, and the election is less than a month away. now local law enforcement has confiscated his phone. for the crime of handing over a letter trying to make sure that local students at the local black college can vote this time. happy 2018. i know, it feels like your tv set should be in black and white as i'm telling this story, but, no, this is us now. joining us is michael siegl and his field director who was
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arrested yesterday. thank you very much for being with us tonight. i appreciate you both making the time. >> thank you so much, rachel. we are really glad for this opportunity. >> thank you, rachel. >> jacob, i know i'm going to say this as both a thank you and a caveat. i have been advised that you have been awake for well over 24 hours, and that you're in a little bit of physical distress at this point because of what you have been through. i'd want to thank you for making time given those circumstances and just ask you what you have been through over the last -- the last day or so. what actually have you been through? >> well, your recounting of events was accurate. i was arrested and held at the waller county sheriff's jail. and the phone was taken, was confiscated. and at the time of its confiscation, they said they were going to seek a warrant to go through its contents. and that didn't happen, and i did get the phone back earlier today. >> ah.
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>> but the experience was harrowing and it made me reflect on what people in that county deal with on a day to day, year-to-year basis. >> mr. siegl, i understand from reporting both in the houston chronicle and from josh martin's talking points memo, you were on the phone with jacob while he was being detained and basically up until the point he was arrested, essentially conferring with him and trying to advise him through this process. what was that like for you? >> at first i thought it was a joke, you know, that they were just going to ask him a couple questions and let him go. but as it continued further and further and more and more law enforcement officials arrived, i think by the end jacob was surrounded by seven or more deputies and police officers. i realized that we are in a different place, you know. i'm lucky enough to live in austin, texas, and we don't face this kind of repression on a day-to-day basis. but the idea that a simple taking of a picture of
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delivering a letter would end up being kept in custody for two hours and they put their hands on jacob, they wouldn't let him go. they threatened to hold him for multiple days. i was horrified that they would do this to someone for the simple act of delivering a letter. >> and what's the status of the students who are the subject of that letter? i ran through a little bit of the history of prairie view a&m. honestly, i could do a week long series about that history because it is such an important thing in american civil rights and what those students have been up against, what they have fought for, what they continue to have to fight for is a heck of a saga in american voting rights and civil rights. but, mike, what's the status now in terms of whether or not these potentially thousands of voters at prairie view a&m are going to be able to cast their votes without any hassle on election day? >> well, we are hopeful that through shining a light on this issue that we can achieve the objective of having all the students' voting status restored and taking away the impediment
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where they are being asked to fill out additional papers which will lengthen the wait for voting and discourage students from voting. i'm thankful i can use my campaign to highlight this. there are so many women of color fighting for voting rights and we can shine a light on what's happening in waller county gives me a little bit of encouragement. i think big picture, we're going to have to continue to negotiate with waller county, with the county judge, to get them to reverse their decision. one thing you didn't note, rachel, they just announced this decision two weeks before the close of voter registration. so on september 26th is when they announced at a meeting they were going to change the way they perceive the voting status of the students. it is this very late change to the voting status. and it's something that would not be allowed under the previous version of the voting rights act, you know, texas used to be in preclearance.
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and this is something that because it is an impediment to voting, wouldn't have been allowed but for that recent supreme court decision that invalidated part of the voting rights act. >> specifically waller county used to have to prove to the justice department if they are making any change in their policies and practices around voting, it wasn't intend today or have the effect of racial discrimination. now since the conservative majority on the supreme court killed the voting rights act, gutted that part of it, they no longer have to make that proof. i'll ask you one last question before you go, and this is actually for jacob. jacob, there's been reporting before you were arrested, you were specifically asked whether the candidate -- what party the candidate was whose campaign you were working for. i want to confirm with you whether or not that actually happened. i think that struck people -- struck a lot much people around the country as sort of a shocking part of this, that you were asked what party mr. siegl was before you were arrested. is that true? >> yeah, that is accurate. and mr. siegl, mike was on the phone on speakerphone and he heard the question asked as
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well. and honestly, that might have been one of the most chilling parts of the entire encounter because there's like, i mean, it's pretty clear where someone's coming from when they ask you a question like that. >> yeah, especially when they follow-up by arresting you. >> exactly, exactly. it was a very, very chilling question. and as i said, mike heard it, too. so i can definitely confirm that. >> democratic congressional candidate mike siegl is running against michael mccaul, republican incumbent in texas. jacob, i hope you get some sleep. thanks for making time for talking with us. >> any time. >> appreciate it. >> much more ahead. do stay with us. opportunity is everywhere.
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in 2015, before he was president but around the time he started running, donald trump registered eight shell companies that all included the word jetta in the company name, spelled with two ds and an h at the end. jeddah is the second largest city in saudi arabia. trump created eight shell companies with that company name and city name based on past trump organization practices, that would seem to indicate the president was planning to build a hotel in jeddah in saudi arabia. he hasn't built that hotel, not yet. those companies were dissolved shortly after he was elected
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president. but then three days after trump's inauguration, lobbyists working for the saudi government went out of their way to make sure the american press reported they were spending almost $300,000 to put up a gigantic saudi entourage at the trump hotel in washington. the trump hotel in manhattan has sort of been on hard times recently. its revenues have declined for two straight years. but in the first few months of this year, that hotel turned its fortunes around, basically got bailed out. for the first time in years, revenue at the trump hotel in manhattan increased thanks specifically to a very, very, very profligate and expensive visit from the saudi crown prince and his entourage, too. donald trump has a business history and a business present with saudi arabia, ask that's the kind of thing we never have had to factor in before when considering why a president was acting a specific way toward a specific country. other presidents didn't keep
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live business interests while they were in the oval office, particularly live business interests open to foreign governments. but now we've got one. and so now we don't really know what the motivation is for the president's actions toward a place like saudi, which is also paying him. since the 1920s, every u.s. president has chosen to take their first foreign trip to a relatively noncontroversial ally, like mexico or canada, france, belgium, britain, germany. donald trump's first trip abroad was to saudi arabia. but it's not just the president, it's his powerful son-in-law as well, jared kushner made three trips to saudi arabia last year, at least. i say at least because we're not sure when he goes. there was that secret unannounced trip to saudi where he flew commercial. that trip reportedly included several nights where jared and the crown prince of saudi arabia, who is known by his initials, mbs, they reportedly
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stayed up until 4:00 a.m., quote, swapping stories and planning strategy. shortly afterward, the crown prince, mbs, rolled out a huge and flankly bizarre crackdown where he rounded up hundreds of members of the royal family and other rich saudis and basically jailed them, including torturing some of them in readd's ritz carlton hotel until lots of them were forced to hand over tons of money to him. and by tons of money, i mean like billions of dollars. i should also mention that as recently as this may, this year, 2018, jared kushner sought $100,000 investment from the saudis -- excuse me, $100 million investment from the saudis for his family real estate start up. donald trump and his son-in-law jared kushner who works in the white house, their relationship with the saudis is the kind of profound and blunt financial conflict of interest that we are not used to happening out in the open in an american presidential administration. but it's now something that we
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have to fit into our understanding of the administration's response to the disappearance of washington post columnist and saudi journalist jamal khashoggi. when the president was asked about khashoggi today, he said it's a terrible situation and the u.s. is investigating. he added without being prompted, he was not in favor of stopping arms sales to saudi arabia when asked if the united states had a duty to warn this journalist if our intercepts did pick up chatter from saudi officials that he was in danger. president trump said that, well, it's not happening in our country and oh, by watt i, he understands jamal khashoggi was a u.s. resident, not even a u.s. citizen. tonight the washington post is reporting the turkish government has told u.s. officials that there are both audio and video recordings from inside the saudi consulate proving that saudi journalist jamal khashoggi, was killed inside the saudi
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consulate. there's been reporting previously that there is a recording, now the washington post is quoting what appears to be turkish officials who are describing what they say they have seen and heard on these recordings. quote, you can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking arabic. you can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered. if these recordings exist, as the post says, it's unclear if any u.s. officials have seen them. but the evidence here really does appear to be stacking up. weighing our own government's response to it is hard enough in these brand-new conflict of interest times we are living through. but the complexities here also involve who we can trust in terms of the sources on this story, and we're going to have more with a reporter who has really been digging into this joining us from overseas next. five hundred years, right? fact is, there have been twenty-six in the last decade. allstate is adapting. with drones to assess home damage sooner. and if a flying object damages your car,
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joining us now live from ankora, turkey, check the time zone map, it is way too late for somebody to be up talking to us this time of night, david kirkpatrick, international correspondent who has been following the jamal khashoggi story closely. thank you for staying up. i really appreciate you being here. >> it's good to talk to you. >> so, the reporting about the saudi government potentially having not just ordered the murder of mr. khashoggi, but potentially having carried it out on the grounds of this consulate, it is frightening, it's increasingly detailed. we've had reporting tonight from the washington post that it may
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include both audio and video recordings of the killing itself. i just want to ask you as somebody who is based in turkey right now, who has been following this closely, what do you make of the weight of the evidence? >> well, you can -- you've seen a turn in the voices of the white house and american officials in the last couple days as it's clear they are giving more credibility to what the turks have been saying. i heard about the video evidence of the first time on saturday. it was described to me as a video made by the saudi assassins as proof that the job was done for riyadh and i heard about it from a second source tonight, briefed by turkish officials. what the washington post has added is that american officials are now also aware of that evidence. and so, you know, it's been a bit of a he said, he said. the crown prince, muhammad bin
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salman himself has strenuously denied any knowledge of mr. khashoggi's whereabouts and at the same time turkish officials speaking without attribution have laid out this increasingly detailed account of the killing of brutal and gory account of the killing. we're beginning to see the battle of two narratives flip in the turkish direction and against crown prince muhammad bin salman. >> obviously the context here matters. the rivalry between leaders of turkey and the leader of saudi arabia matters. it's one of the things you've been writing about, one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you in particular about this story as we start to see all this evidence get at least described. and i wonder, because of the he said/he said nature of the evidence here, because turkish officials are telling such an increasingly detailed picture of what they say happened here, do you think it's going to come to the point where they eventually hand over any of that evidence, where they stop describing it to u.s. reporters and instead make
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that information, those recordings, anything else they've got, available to the public? >> well, i believe that turkish intelligence officials or turkish government officials briefed their american counterparts about this last saturday. that's what i'm told, including this evidence. now, american intelligence agencies are also very wary of sharing what they have obtained through their own special methods with places like the court system. you know, it's clear from the kind of detail we're hearing that this is a material that's been obtained by surveillance or enter septded through communications, probably more than human informants. i think the thank you, are going to be very reluctant to let anybody outside the friendly reaches of government to have access to this material which is regrettable to my point of view. as a journalist who would like to get to the bottom of this, i
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would like everything to be known. in this case, from what i've been told, the video is not for the squeamish. the turks have described a scenario where a number of saudi agents, including a forensics expert, arrived with the intent to kill mr. khashoggi, killed him within two hours of entering the consulate, dismembered him, and did so with a bone saw they brought for that purpose. so, it's quite a brutal affair. >> mr. kirkpatrick, have you seen any sign of an active u.s. investigation into this possible murder? >> on the ground here in an correspond a, no, but that would be truly extraordinary. as i say, if you take stock of the variety of voices and the growing volume of the voices among senior people on capitol hill, and even from president trump himself, you begin to realize that the turkish account is gaining credibility in
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washington. so the public relations battle is turning tonight. and i think, if i were to predict, i would guess there would be some move by riyadh, by crown prince muhammad bin salman to respond to this in the next few days. >> david kirkpatrick, international correspondent for "the new york times". the uh author of into the hands of the soldiers. in the middle east standing up until well past dark for us. appreciate it. we have a lot more to get to tonight. do stay with us. liberty mutual accident forgiveness means
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and cooperated, a guy who has on the hook for much less than either manafort or gates, he got sent to federal prison for six months. again, this guy also pled guilty. he also cooperated, compared to gates and manafort he was an absolute small fry. so him heading off to prison for a pretty good sentence, that alone has to sort of focus the mind, you might imagine, if you are paul manafort or rick gates. but all of a sudden in the last 24 hours we have also had a bunch of news that indicates there are still live issues in both ever their cases separate and apart from how much jail halftime they're going to get. for gates, at least, he has the benefit of not being in jail right now. he's at home under relatively strict orders about his ability to move around the country and how frequently he needs to check in with the court. he's also got an ankle bracelet that he keeps on, monitor his whereabouts for the court. gates has filed a request, though, to loosen up the terms of his confinement, losing the ankle bracelet all together. good news for gates, he will probably succeed in his request for the ankle bracelet if only
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because the special counsel's office isn't opposing that request from him. but rick gates isn't negotiating this stuff alone. he, of course, has a legal team who is working on this kind of stuff for him on his behalf. it's stuff about his bail conditions, also issues related to his ongoing cooperation, his ultimate sentencing. for rick gates, that itself is necessity for continuing legal representation, we now realize that itself may be a real problem for him. we know that because last night in federal court in new york, rick gates' old lawyers, his old legal team just sued him for $3 $369,000 in unpaid legal bills, plus interest, plus expenses. apparently before gates dropped his old legal team, he only paid these guys about $20,000 of the more than $400,000 that they billed him. so now they're suing to get back the rest. and that, of course, is tough on its own terms if you're rick gates. but imagine what this means for
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the new lawyers that he's got working for him now, too, right? these lawyers who are still working for him right now trying to get his ankle bracelet taken off, trying to loosen his bail terms, set him up for the best possible sentencing, he's got lawyers now who are still working for him all the time doing stuff for him on behalf of him in this case. how long is that likely to last now that his previous lawyers are having to sue him for hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid bills? how are the current lawyers going to look upon that? so, like i said, things are a little wobbly right now for trump deputy campaign chairman rick gates, but it's way worse for trump campaign chairman paul manafort who honestly would love the luxury now of fighting to remove his ankle bracelet, that would be a huge step up for him because, of course, he is not at home wearing an ankle bracelet. he still lives in jail. paul manafort's cooperation with the special counsel's office, which he's now pledged to do ever since he pled guilty last month, that cooperation proceeds
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now while manafort still sits in federal jail in virginia awaiting sentencing for charges which he has been convicted and he plaed guilty. yesterday the judge in one of his cases formally ordered the forfeiture of all of these properties, all of these fancy condos and town houses and country estates, all once owned by paul manafort. as of last night, all of these properties have been officially seized by the u.s. government, which means that you watching me at home right now, you and me, too, u.s. us taxpayers, we now officially own an apartment in trump tower because that's one of the properties that was seized from the president's felon campaign chairman as part of his sentence of federal charges. what a nice american moment. mazel tov. what are wing to do? drinks, also deep cleaning. last night manafort was told formally to forfeit all those multi-million dollar properties. but then today, a serious curve
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when the president's campaign chair pleaded guilty to multiple felonies, one of the things in his plea agreement was a specific deal with robert mueller and the special counsel's office, they would wait to decide, wait to see how much cooperate they got from manafort and only after that would they decide if paul manafort was going to be
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retried, prosecuted again for the ten felony charges on which the jury in manafort capps case couldn't reach a verdict. that kind of a deal makes sense for the prosecutors, right, you know? cooperate for real, man, give us everything you've got for real, come totally clean. if you don't, we can always prosecute you again on ten more felonies. do you want that? that's exactly the kind of leverage prosecutors would love to have when dealing with a cooperator, right? that's the deal. they signed with paul manafort. well, today, curve ball. because the judge from the manafort case, the case where there were these ten outstanding charges where the jury couldn't agree, that judge today decided he's not going along with that deal in the plea agreement. surprise! he today told prosecutors in the special counsel's office basically, hey, you guys got to charge manafort with those ten felony counts now. charge him now or cut bait and say you're not going to recharge him now. make that decision now. i'm not waiting until you're
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done with his cooperation. now, there are a bunch of reasons why this might have happened. you might remember this is the kind of cranky judge from the eastern district of virginia, the one who seemed like he really had it out for mueller and the prosecutors and the special counsel's office during the trial. maybe it has something to do with that. we were told by people familiar with this particular federal court, though, that a more likely explanation is that this is the rocket docket of the eastern district of virginia where they really like to go fast. so regardless of the specific contours of this case, or any specific crabbiness by this judge, they jut don't like to wait. they don't want to wait to sentence someone who has been convicted in that district, even if there's good reason to wait because that guy is still cooperating with prosecutors. so we don't know exactly why it happened. but the bottom line here is you need to put this on your calendar for the end of next week. the judge has now ordered a hearing for a week from tomorrow. you are going to care about what happens at that hearing because depending on how exactly this
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all shakes out, that hearing may give us, the public, an unprecedented window into one of the most intriguing unanswered questions in this whole saga, which is, what does the president's campaign chairman know? what does manafort know? since manafort decided to flip, decided to start cooperating with prosecutors, has that given mueller any new real dirt on anyone else? like, i don't know, the president? this judge now is pushing paul manafort's sentencing decision to happen now. it's after manafort started cooperating, but it's definitely before he is done. in the course of trying to push forward manafort's sentencing, this judge may force robert mueller and mueller's prosecutors to tell the court whether manafort's cooperation thus far has helped the special counsel's office investigator prosecute anybody else other than paul manafort for any other crime. and that, of course, has been
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the 62 gazillion dollar question with the campaign chairman flipping. who might he flip on? what might he know? what has he told prosecutors? what are they doing with that information? we might get an answer to that question, very, very soon. stay with us.
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