...well almost anything. leave no room behind with xfi pods. simple. easy. awesome. click or visit a retail store today. that does it for me. i'm david gura. thank you very much for watching. stick around. "a.m. joy" with joy reid starts right now. i've been fighting brian kemp on voter suppression more than four years. that we were able to pull together a coalition, fight him in the courts and win, and so what i tell people is this- we've won before and we will win again, but we beat him first making sure the 53,000 have all the good information they need. good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." with just 24 days until what's arguably the most crucial midterm election of the modern era, we are witnessing a tidal

wave of voter suppression efforts by republican-led states around the country aim ee eed e squarely at students and those people are color. excluding americans in north dakota, black college students in texas and in georgia, becoming ground zero for voter suppression efforts, the republican candidate for governor brian kemp who just happens to also be the georgia secretary of state is pulling out all the stops to keep potential voters for stacey abrams away from the polls. kemp's tactic for voter suppression is called exact match. according to a new a.p. investigation, exact match has been used to stall the voter registration applications of some 53,000 voters in georgia. kemp is now being sued by a coalition of civil rights group who say he is violating what's left of the voting rights act.

the group says that 80% of the stalled applications can submitted by african-american americans, latinos and asian-americans suggesting voters of color are being targeted. last night on "all in" i spoke with head of the civil rights organization leading the charge to stop it. >> what we find is that people of color have names that are agents less typical, and that's where the errors are at their highest. brian kemp knows this, the state knows this and they knew in 2016. he is a repeat offender seeking to race forward with this discriminatory scheme once again, and so we're in court now to stop him. >> the stacey abrams campaign called for kemp to step down from his official post so vote kearse have confidence that their secretary of state will competently and impartially oversee this election. joining me now is elly misstyle,

and the mayor of columbus, georgia, and senior writer at "rolling stone" and a senior adviser at moveon.org and a pollster, and thank you all for being here. mayor, start with you first, my friend, because the talking point that has come out of the kemp campaign that i would love for you to address is this idea that the civil rights groups suing on behalf of several organizations representing georgia voters are "outside agitators." a phrase that will be familiar to those who study the civil rights era. what do you make of this idea that the people who are suing to try to stop exact match from disenfranchising people are "outside agitators"? >> these groups have been doing this for a very long time in the state of georgia. so they are most center not from outside georgia. these are georgia folks. they've been monitoring this issue for a long time and doing a whole lot of good to make sure as many georgians can vote as

possible. let me say this, joy, it's going to be shocking but it's true. republicans cannot implement the constitutionally required one man, one vote requirement here in georgia, because if they did, they cannot win a state-wide election. we have 6.9 million registered voters in georgia and know from information with wedge straregi they lean democratic. why you see all of these suppression techniques and why you see this desire by the republican secretary of state to make it as frustrating as possible to limit democrats from voting. one other thing i'll say, you look to see whether something is lawful or unconstitutional, you look to see whether it has a discriminatory purpose or discriminatory effect they want to quibble about their purpose what they intended to do, but it is can not be controverted it

certainly has a discriminatory effect. 80% of those affected in the 53,000 are minorities. >> reminding everyone the mayor is also an attorney and knows what she speaks. i'll throw this at my producers. sorry i didn't give it to you in advance. to let you know, outside agitate hearse a loaded racial history. the groups that are the plaintiffs in this lawsuit, leadership conference for civil rights under law is leading. the georgia naacp, the georgia coalition for the people's agenda by the way founded by the reverend joe lowry, civil rights legend joe lowry. the asian-americans advancing justice atlanta, based in georgia. the georgia association of elected latino officials and the new georgia project and the pro-georgia state table inc. these are georgia organizations. this is not outside groups coming in. these are people representing really the 1.2 million georgians who have been scrubbed off the

rolls over the course of brian kemp's term. >> yes. we need to look at also how cynical this georgia legislation is. right? when you say the exact match law, i don't think people always understand just how bad this is. all right? so exact match means your information has to match exactly what the state has on your, about you. right? if there's a discrepancy, that means you can't vote. if i'm listed as living at city field, a good place to live because you don't play baseball. the state listed at shea stadium. i can't vote. >> right. >> for newer americans, the naming conventions are particularly important. like newer americans have different naming conventions than, you know, anglo-saxon came on the mayflower people. >> right. >> so my name, go by dwayne ka maurch cha, i can't vote. the lawsuit should work but remember who they're suing. who they're appealing to.

they're appealing to the very people who destroyed the voting rights act in the first place. jit they' right? they're appealing to people who do not believe that the constitution requires them to look at the discriminatory effect of laws, to figure out if the law is racially biased. so the lawsuit is, should work, but that would assume neutral ash to arbiter which we don't have anymore, we know. >> the concern i have, and i spoke with officials from the naacp and folks from lccw. the question i have i throw to you is, let's say this lawsuit goes forward. and that the lawsuit is successful in the state appeals or the other way around. it's going to appeal to the circuit that's down there in the southeast. ultimately this is a case that could go before the supreme court but we know that the john roberts court led by john roberts himself, supposed new swing vote essentially trying to

take apart the voting right acts since a lawyer in the reagan administration. iky think of a single one of the five prrepublicans on the supre court that supports the intent of voting rights acts. what are the chapses this goes to the supreme court voters of georgia won't be dealt another blow by the scotus? >> you know in 2013 in the shelby county case, of course, this court prior to the addition of the more conservative kavanaugh actually helped gut the voting rights act. i don't know we will fare any better, but julie, voting starts in georgia on monday. october 15th. early voting starts on monday. so i don't know that this will be resolved. hopefully in the future it will be, but our only hope at this point, you need to remember that in georgia for the past several gubernatorial races and past several senates state-wide races, only 200,000 votes difference with all of these millions of people voting, only

200,000 votes difference in the winner and loser for the governor's race in georgia. so 53,000 voters make a huge difference. we have to turn up at the polls. we will have three weeks of early voting starting october 15th, monday. october 27th and october 28th are a saturday and a sunday, which we are required by law to have our polls open. our early voting polls open in georgia. people need to get out and that's how you thwart this. put people office that do not believe this is an acceptable way to issue government power, and we cannot have people in office that utilize government power in a way that disenfranchises huge segments of our population. everyone should have access to voting. >> absolutely. your right to vote resides in your state. do not look to the supreme court to save your right to vote. it's your state. that means you need to elect people in your state legislature, in that governor's mansion that actually care about your right to vote. the only way to protect it.

and to cornell belcher on this. the reason brian xekemp is bi bio-engineering this is because he can see this is not going to be easy. georgia is a state in which she at 47.7% in the latest atlanta journal-constitution poll, and stacey abrams, think about georgia, red as it is, should be down 20 points or 10 points and she is right neck and neck with him. that was a poll that probably isn't polling the rural voters she's going out and talking with. one more thing. demographics of georgia. more favorable to democrats than states like ohio or michigan. 32.2% african-american. 9.6% hispanic. 4.2% asian-american. cornell belcher, they're doing it because they're afraid.

>> well, and i actually wrote a book about this. you saw some of it with the realization of obama. the president of the most diverse majority in our history. the mayor made a point i was going to make here. look, you're losing elections in georgia by, you know, carter got, lost by 200 -- 203,000. none in 2014. 108,000. not a tremendous amount of votes and the take 50,000 new voters out of that and it goes a long way in preserving that. but states like georgia and florida, which i know you'll talk about a little later also, they're becoming ground zero in this fight for america's future, because they are becoming ground zero for the changing demographics of the country. georgia will turn majority/minority before the majority of america does, right? and florida and georgia and places in the old confederacy, that brown and black power is

being realized and the republican party is shrinking not expanding. they are becoming less able to compete for minority voters and have no choice but in fact to deny these voters their rights. we're finding the remnants of the civil war here and i'm afraid, joy, it will get worse beforegets better because they won't let go of power. >> democrat graphics ain't changing. one of the things democrats are discovering not paying attention to the south for so long, since jesse jackson registered voters across the south. a southern, two southern democratic presidents win and then president obama won. democrats haven't put a lot of emphasis on these states, but plook look at the states republicans need to restrict the vote they think because they need to be watch worthy and watch what's happening. north dakota, hyche native american population. indiana, president obama won one, lost one. narrowly lost one. out west, southwest. mississippi, missouri.

arkansas, alabama, nebraska, kansas, south carolina. probably the, other than mississippi, the largest black population by percentage in the country. tennessee, virginia. some in the northeast, rhode island, ohio, wisconsin. this is about states normally not viewed as in place, but clearly, alabama showed the country and the republican party differently. >> exactly. they sure did. and they had a strict voter i.d. law last year in alabama when doug jones was running for senate, and look what happened. we got him in there after 25 years of not having a u.s. senator and you named states there, north dakota. they're trying to disenfranchise native americans from voting. ohio. trying to make it very difficult for people to vote who did not vote in the past election. indiana, they're purging, they purged 500,000 voters and didn't even tell them. so this is what's going on, but there's a, we have to look at

how we got here, joy. so republicans have been incredibly strategic about this. they've spent a decade or more investing, spending tens of millions of dollars trying to do what? they're trying to elect people, their folks in governorships, trying to take back the state houses, the chambers, and they've been doing that, and that's -- in order to get these voter suppression laws besides gutting voting rights act, also you've got to get your people in there to put these awful laws in place, and that's what they've been doing for a decade and we watched them do this and democrats didn't do anything to fight back. now we're trying to do that now, but you know, it's clearly, it's too late. so it's good and i'm so glad that the georgia issue is being talked about almost every day now. it's getting national attention and it needs to, because what's happening is pure racism. i think the difference is, people are saying, oh, well.

donald trump, now that he's here, you can't really blame this on donald trump. republicans have been doing this for a long while, as i just stated. i think the difference is now that it's just blatant racism. >> yeah. open about what they're trying to do. >> yeah. >> absolutely. the point that 1.5 million people, roughly, between 2012 and 2016 and, again, what happened in 2012 to make, concentrate the mind of republicans, president obama won again, and he came real close in states like north carolina. he competed in georgia. republicans are not doing this just for fun. they're doing this because they see the electoral tide coming. >> they're doing it, because it's their fear of the black vote essentially. they have no desire nor real implication -- no motivation, i should say, to pursue black voters. what we get instead are, you know, simply a little crumb thrown out and what can you

lose? and mense industrtrual shows anl office and what were not. systematically destroy the black vote, and suspended from voter rolls. those voters can show up on election day and present their voter i.d. like any other georgian and hope to be counted and hope they don't have to submit a provisional ballot, but those trying to vote by mail are going to be prevented from doing so and, in fact, if they don't vote this particular election, they may be purged by 2020, when you know, an even bigger election looms. >> i don't think you'll get a custom maga hat out of that comment, jamil smith. no easy centers for you. but my panel will be back after the break. more on the republican push to suppress the vote. that's coming up next. ♪ at last,

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so robert e. lee was a great general. and abraham lincoln developed a phobia. he couldn't beat robert e. lee. he was going crazy. my panel is back with me. i feel like we are having an antebellum discussion about whether or not people can be reenfranchised. >> the conservative strategy since reconstruction. like, disenfranchising minority

voters is not new. it's what jim crow was literally all about. right? >> yeah. >> now they have the courts. whenever conservatives have the courts they push forward these anti-voting strategies. last summer, the supreme court ruled about a case in ohio that allowed ohio to purge voters if they missed two election cycles. they did it in ohio and exactly what they've done in indiana purging 10% of the indiana voting population. right? that's last summer. last week the supreme court roomed north dakota didn't have to register people, native americans mainly, who didn't have a permanent address, and the right way and -- a direct spr supreme court decision to swing the north dakota senate election towards republicans away from heidi heitkamp. this is all happening under a supreme court run by john roberts, you said in your last segment fespent his entire care acting against voter rights.

and shelby somehow thinks racism is over in the south. thinks the south is not, should not be punished or still be held accountable for the acts of the former confederacy and has believed that his entire career and now he just has more power. so how do you stop all of this? the only way to do it is when you are lucky enough to get a democrat in office through all of these obstacles and what have you, lucky flu y enough -- my p marched for their rights to votes. you have to be willing to put in the same type of effort to protect your franchise and you get a democrat in office hold them accountable and have to make them change these laws. >> and an object lesson, jealously you have to guard your right to vote, not just when there's a sexy candidate. right? democrats come out for a predial race, put all of their stock in the white house and say it's all about that and forget that the supreme court is really

controlled by what the senate will allow. so you've got to vote in those senate races, vote in off-year elections. i still say the 2010 election is the origin of a lot of these issues, because democrats gave away about six purple states. democrats refused to come out in midterms. we're in a midterm now. how can democrats be convinced it's not just about voting in the presidential elections? >> right. something else happened in 2010. citizens united, changed everything. >> yep. >> the dark money pouring in, and i remember those times. i was working in the white house and trying to, watching what was going on, and we saw in congressional districts that we were keeping an eye on it was so much money, money from, we didn't know where the millions were coming from and it was super pacs and republicans took advantage of that early on and they've bin incredibly strategic about it. what's happening now as we all know, we see a surge, see an energy from our communities, from the people of color, from young people and republicans,

like i said, have been strategic about this because they see the democrat graphics are changing and they put systems, these systems in place to hold us back and we just can't allow that to happen. i think right now people need to ignore the polls. the good ones and bad ones. ge out and vote and we need a ground game. great, registers people to vote. awesome. historic numbers here and there. we've got to get people to the polls, and that is key. that's the only answer that i have there. we really have to energize people and get them out to vote. >> bringing me to cornell belcher. georgia, needs 90% non-white vote and 25% of the white vote and needs to make sure non-white voters make up 40% of the electorate, basically their population share or a little even lower. how do democrats do that? >> joy, therein lies the problem. it's about turnout. if we in fact have the 20 t14 o

2010 electorate across the country, stacey won't win and neither will democrats. take political analyst privilege for a minute and talk to the brothers. if you look at 2012, 2008, african-americans the most likely voter in the electorate because of people like you, joy, african-american women. the most dramatic turnouts have been by african-americans led by african-american men. understand this conversation that we've had this morning is about our communities and our rights literally are under attack. brothers, your community is under attack. right? the battle is at the voting booth. we have to engage and you have to show up for elections. you've got less than 25% of millennials voting in off years while seniors vote at over 55%. >> right. >> they're deciding your future. you have to engage, get engaged here and by the way, i'm not letting democrats off the hook for this, because too often democrats move resources away

from communities of color and from millennials to chase this mythic swing voter, and mistakes like georgia right now, states, 4%, 5% undecided. it's about expanding the electorate, something we got in the obama campaign. >> and jamel smith, writer for "rolling stone" millennial. i believe you are. despite a little gray. okay. i'll make you a millennial. >> appreciate the compliment. >> just saying. but listen, it is a challenge, and we laugh about the kanye rant or whatever that was, but the reality is that's being deployed at a time when young voters, when young black voters are being told, it's futile. don't bother. you know? here's kanye, really giving a countermessage to what you just heard from cornell belcher and we don't know what the impact of that will be. how do you focus particularly younger african-american men and younger men of color on the fact

that elections actually can impact your life? >> well, i think you look at the concrete results within their own communities. look at the fact that a lot of folks are under employed and under educated, and i think that if that's not enough to motivate them then certainly, you know, the fact that -- people are trying to take away your rights. literally. trying to purge you off of the voting roll, and it's one thing to encourage black folks to vote but if you're not on the voting rolls then there's nothing you can do. so that's the thing. we need address this and our elected officials frankly to address these in a systematic level. pts not just about the individual decisions made or not made on election day. it's about the decisions being made for us. >> giving the mayor of columbus, georgia, the last word. your state we're talking about. brian kemp, the secretary of state and governor, gubernatorial candidate, claims this is a manufactured crisis.

that if you're impending status you can vote. the secretary of state saying in writing on twitter you can vote if you are in pending status in the november 6th election. give a message to the voters of your state. can they vote, will they be able to vote? will there right to vote be protected? >> yes. at this late stage of the game, joy, we have to play the ball from where it lies to use a golf analogy. everybody needs to get out, vote, bring your i.d. lost that battle long ago. bring your i.d. with you. if we can reconcile it with your >> i d. your vote counted on the regular machines. still remains dediscrepancies given a provisional ballot and it will be further investigated. 50% ultimately get counted once reviewed by the board of elections. i want to say this --gistrars a neighbors ready for this. this national attention, the state-wide attention we've been given, they are ready for this. get in in and vote.

they will do everything they can to reconcile the outstanding applications and make sure your vote counts and also don't forget hurricane michael just hit southwest georgia. stacey is running incredibly well. the mayor said despite they've been without power for days their registrar is ready to go. they start voting monday morning. do right by your neighbors in the local registrars offices trying to facilitate your right to vote and get out and the give them the opportunity to get this right and replace the people that do not respect your right to vote and we'll get these policies straight going forward. >> amen. do not give up your right to vote. jealously guard it, fight for it. fight for your right to vote. don't give it up easily. to all of my panel, thank you, thank you, thank you. coming up, the story of the "washington post" journalist

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nobody knows quite yet. nobody's been able to put it all together. people are starting to form ideas and as they're formed we'll let you know, but it certainly is a terrible thing. >> has their record otherwise been overlooked too long? >> a lot of records are over looked. look at iran, other countries.

syria. take a look at a lot of countries. a lot of countries records have been overlooked, but this is a very serious thing and we're looking at it in a very serious manner. okay? and we'll see it we have a big crowd. >> have you talked to the king of saudi arabia? >> i have not. i will be calling him. >> still hasn't called the king? donald trump, who made saudi arabia his first foreign trip and was plied with a welcome fit for a king, magic orb and a dance included says he still hasn't calmed king salman to press him on an apparent murder of washington journalist amal khashoggi. hosted the crown earlier mbs in the oval office and his son-in-law jared kushner has become good buddies with the crown prince still has not picked up the phone as international crime mounts over the disappearance. turkey has recordings from inside the soutdy consulate in

istanbul providing evidence that khashoggi was murdered inside. nbc news has not heard or seen the recordings, but as if this story is not strange and chilling enough, a pro--government turkish newspaper is reporting that khashoggi secretly recorded the events inside the consulate on his apple watch and while private companies are bailing on a saudi investment conference over this, no so far the trump administration. >> i am plan being on going at this point. if more information comes out and changes, we could look at that, but i am planning on going. >> joining me is ayman mohyeldin and host as well as treata parsi president of the national iranian-american council as well as the former state department senior adviser in the obama administration. eamon, you first on this turkish newspaper reported that allegedly mr. khashoggi might

have taped or might have taped the, what happened to him on his apple watch. d do we know -- who is this paper? what are their sort of leanings? is this a reliable account and could this be the recording that the turks are talking about and not let's say a bug inside the consulate? >> i think it's important to make the distinction on a few fronts. since the beginning of this story and since the tragic events have begun, the turkish government as a matter of policy is deliberately disseminating information through the media. not providing updates every day, the type we would normally see. press briefings. this is increasing the pressure to let the world know the kind of information they have by using pro--friefriendly media os like this turkish newspaper. ed miya landscape inside the

country for the most part is supportive of erdogan. on this specific story using this sources to slowly roll out the information they have with both western media as well as local turkish media, and so you should take everything they are saying with a grain's salt, for the simple fact they are not providing definitive, concrete evidence, say in the form of a press conference or official government press releases. having said that, the way the information has been rolling out, the way it's being corroborated with other sources here in the west does suggest in fact that the turkish government has overwhelming evidence. whether or not the recordinging they alluded to earlier are in fact recordings provided by khashoggi's apple watch that was able to record and ultimately upload the files to icloud and accessed somewhere else remotely that in itself remains to be seen. we have not heard yet from apple as a company whether or not they are involved in this investigation or had they been contacted to be a part of this

investigation. that in itself remains to be seen. i assure you people are working to find that part. we also know from sources we've been speaking to directly that there's no doubt that the saudi consulate in istanbul was under surveillance as a matter of foreign espionage and activity that takes place. the saudi consulate in turkey people consider a high intelligence gathering facility. i've spoken to turkish security it's possible there rl recording devices inside the consulate, sources and other informants working inside there. that is definitely something that is believable, but for their own purposes of how they gather that intelligence, the turkish government may not necessarily be releasing that information so they don't compromise their methods and sources with other consulates and other diplomatic posts that they also may have under surveillance at this time, joy. >> right. treenin trina, the thing happening internally, how does it

dovetail? the release of pastor brunson who the erdogan government accused of beal ing involved in plot to overthrow his government. and another man who lives in pennsylvania, lives here in the united states, and was the subject of this supposed rendition plot that, remember michael flynn, from the mueller probe, used to be national security adviser to donald trump was supposedly involved in a plot to rendition fethullah gulen forcing him back to turkey. i ask about that because it appears from press reports part of what was happening to mr. khashoggi was an attempt to force him to go back to saudi arabia? >> yes. so what we're seeing here is, of course, just brutal, very tragic death of mr. ashogi, but underneath, an intense and complex geopolitical game being played.

the rules are not clear. the rules are changing. behavior of many actors are changing and we see complexity the united states is involve fd in when it comes to turkey and the saudis and this is coming knowing this specific case and why the turks have not fully released all the information and also engaging in bringing in saudi forensic experts there. there is a form of negotiation going on between the saudis and turks now, in which the turks are trying to fig are oure out can we get out of the saudis to make this go away? clearly they're playing a tough game and not helping it go away on the contrary but increasing pressure on saudi arabia now. >> and sanctions imposed supposedly over the arrest of mr. brunson. trump says there's nothing like that, releasing, not on the table. normally in a situation like this a u.s. resident, mr. khashoggi lived in the united states, worked for the

"washington post" normally you would see something out of the state department, a formalized response. we haven't seen that in this case. ad hoc comments from the president of the united states. play you one comment that comes from a "60 minutes" interview clip released early this morning. take a listen. >> was he murdered by the saudis and did the prince give the order to kill him? >> nobody knows yet, but we'll probably be able to find out. it's being investigated. it's being looked at very, very strongly. we would be very upset and angry if that were the case. as of this moment they deny it and deny it vehemently. could it be them? yes. we're going to get to the bottom of it and there will be severe punishment. >> the thing i heard that's familiar is they deny it, which is what donald trump typically says about vladimir putin when it comes to election rigging. what do you make of that response from the president? >> foreign policy is being run by a man who values close political and business ties over

anything that has to do with real national security interests. he has business interests in riyadh, the capital and jeddah, his hotels pre-dating him becoming president, part of why he went there as his first trip. saudis realized early on just flatter and court him. again, a common theme of people that trump decides to play nice with, and in return, what they've gotten is a relationship between two crown princes and muhammad on one side and jared kushner on the other. jared kushner is the first to take a phone call and the saudis because of intrepid reporting not because of information coming from the white house. saudis insisted they would only speak with jared kushner not talk to pompeo, not talk to nikki haley. talked to jared kushner. we did not in the public find out until several days later. it's not standard practice for anybody in the administration to have high-level phone calls on hot button crises issues and not have those read out to the press. the fact that jared kushner is

leading this shows that the trump administration is far more concerned about mayintaining its personal relationship with saudi arabia than any interest in the united states. >> and you have mr. khashoggi's editor at the "washington post" hopping mad. she's been tweeting up a storm ever since his disappearance and tweeted, indeed jamal's apparent saudi murderers messed with the wrong paper, and in me the wrong editor and tweeted i'm supposed to be resting but i'm angry. saudi money has corrupted so many people and organizations in washington. i seriously wonder how many of these people, many of whom knew khashoggi are able to sleep at night. getting at the contact saudis cozied up to not only government figures but to business. >> a tune of millions of dollars that the saudi crown prince conducted last year and they have unfortunately been able to turn many to their cause and turn a blind eye to the blatant

human rights violations and we heard it from donald trump this week talking, well, we should be giving them $110 billion. why flot? th why not? that goes to the front of extremism. >> "washington post" much more pro active than the white house in demanding answers in this gentleman's murder. talk a lot more in the next hour about those business interests. thank you very much. coming up in our next hour, the devastating hurricane that hit the state of florida is now shaping the political landscape ahead of the midterms.

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convince you that it is republicans who will protect your health care, don't believe him because he is lying. and when someone is the president's staff writes an op-ed and puts trump's name on it claiming that democrats actually want to take medicare away from seniors, do not believe it. because that op-ed deposited in every airport, every grocery store checkout lane, millions of front porches and in front of hotel room doors across america was described this way by the "washington post's" fact checker. quote, almost every sentence contained a misleading statement or false hood. and for millions, those lies are not just incidental. they are literally a matter of life or death. joining me now is a journalist and author of the new memoir, a mind unraveled. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> and your new book is not a political book, which is what people have come to as you are

the political guy. you take with your own experience with epilepsy. when you read this op-ed written by the donald trump staff that opened with the democrats want to outlaw private health plans and then went on from there, what did you make of it? >> it was infuriating. because one of the things that has been going on for the past eight years is republicans both lying about how health insurance works, lying about private insurance, lying about obamacare, lying about pre-existing conditions. and it is people like me, i have intractable epilepsy. i have had a pre-existing condition since i was 18. and i know what it is like living in that world. and it is a terrible policy that they are trying to get us back to. great for rich people, great for insurance companies, but for people with pre-existing conditions, we could die. >> and republicans keep saying that they do support the pre-existing condition rules

under obamacare, they you just want to give the private market the opportunity to -- the guy running against claire mccaskill is on a loot to get rid of the pre-existing cause but he says he supports it. how can that be true? >> it is simple. they are lying. while trump is saying we support helping people with pre-existing conditions, he is down in texas, his administration is down in texas with an obscene filing that simply says protecting people with pre-existing conditions is unconstitutional. and you can't sit there and say we are committed to it at a rally and be fighting in court tohave it knocked down, to have it removed. the disconnect is so huge that it is literally one of these things where they will say anything. >> and we know that health care is probably the most important thing to most people because it is personal. talk about living with a pre-existing condition. what does that mean in the real

world? >> up until obamacare came along, from the age of 21, i knew that i would lose my health insurance at 25 because i6s wan my parent's insurance. so every decision i made was about insurance. because even if i applied for a policy, even if a company agreed to give me one, it would have what is call cad pred a pre-exi condition clause which means we're not occurring your medication or injuries. if you have a seizure and fall into the street and get hit by a car, we are not paying for anything. and ultimately i had to take a huge step back in my career just on for the insurance. and it was horrifying. it makes you feel like a thing.

and this is the exact system that they want to bring back. if you don't play in the system, you could die. >> would a catastrophic pool have helped you? >> absolutely not. the thing about the catastrophic pool, it sounds great, but basically the states come a set aside amount of money, they start cutting it back, they are flooded with people applying. and huge numbers are not accepted. and the ones who are accepted don't get the amount of medical care they need. koch can't get their medications. it is simply something thats say and if they know that they are lying, it is obscene. and if they haven't bothered to look it up when you are talking about life and death, it is obscene. and how long could you make it if we went back to the old system and you became uninsured? >> well, i would have to start digging into my retirement. if i refuse to dig into my

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the main concern is the trees that are likely to come down. my city is covered in almost 50% tree cover. that is pretty impressive for an urbanized area like ours. but what that means during a storm event like this is that those trees are come down to homes and vehicles and power lines of course. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." on wednesday in florida, a catastrophic category will hurricane made landfall. roaring through the panhandle with wind gusts as high as 155 miles an hour. downing trees and power lines. and killing at least five people in florida alone. traditionally in florida where hurricane season overlaps with election season, it is considered tab oo to run tackat ads during the storm. but there were two run targeting his response to the hurricane

back in 2016. >> of after the hurricane, we had no electricity for over a week. you tilt companies lined up trucks to restore power. but as mayor, andrew gillum refused help from workers and he didn't help us. he failed us. >> meanwhile that democrat -- or tallahassee mayor andrew gillum suspended his campaign to focus on the storm as his city became one of the many in michael's path where many remain without power. and joining me now from moveon.org, and also a democratic pollster and host of pod strange days and also jonathan capehart. my florida friend, here is mayor gillum talking about this idea of running attack ads during a storm. take a listen. >> we can't recall a time where candidates for statewide office have not pulled down negative ads during hurricane season. you have a whole region of our

state where folks are fleeing for their lives, anticipating what is a life threatening event impacting this state. i would encourage my opponent to subside with the politics. >> have you ever seen anything like what is being done to andrew gillum right now? >> in a word, no. let me state what is happening. this is reprehensible. the republicans playing the race card because they have no other cards to play. remember, they have been in total control of the florida state government for over 20 years, so they can't defend themselves on the issues, so they have traded the dog whistles for bull horns and they are using now openly racial tropes to undermine andrew gillum. it started the moment they said we couldn't monkey this up, now they are trying to disqualify andrew gillum by saying he is not working hard as if he were lazy when he is actually out there with chain saws cutting

down trees. republicans know exactly what they are doing and that is why this election feels very different. we have in a more sinister environment. the republicans are showing that they are willing do anything to win this race and a i think that is why people are reacting and voters in florida are asking themselves the question will we su succumb to these beingtactics e evaluate who is the best to lead florida into the future. >> and there he is actually doing the work. he is the mayor of a city that has been devastated by hurricane michael. and the attacks have tried to criminalize him, tried to claim he is under fbi investigation. politifact says that is not true. they are trying to say that he didn't work hard in the last hurricane based on somebody who

took three days to restore power to 90% of residents. they are trying to say that meaning that he didn't respond. it is really pretty low blows. but it comes at a time when gillum is above the margin of area. he is at 46.5%, ron desantis at 42.8%. and gillum appears to be dragging senator bill nelson down. so this is about raw politics, but it is pretty low in a state like florida. >> oh, sure. of course it is low. but we have grown accustomed to republicans going low when it comes to fighting for their political lives. even within the party they go super low to, you know, rally around a candidate. the idea in that ad that you showed of the woman complaining about mayor gillum's response in that last hurricane, did you notice how he emphasized the

words he failed and then us. they are running an overtly racial campaign and they are trying to undermine him. and if you notice in mayor gillum's response, he says this is a time to come together. we have to rally around because people in our state are hurting. and in those poll numbers that you are showing, that response from him, that might seem meek, too might seem turn the other cheek, i think that a it is resonating with people. people are tired of all the fighting. they want people who makes it clear that they won't back down from a challenge and that they are willing do the work to help people in the state because how many times can people go to the poll, vote for someone and nothing changes. and that a has been gillum's

mantra all along. he has 24 days.has been gillum' mantra all along. he has 24 days. so i think people will see what they are up to. and it will crystallize for them what is at stake. >> and having lived in florida, hurricanes are apolitical. you are out there with everybody trying to get their shutters up. everybody pulls together. one thing that is not and i political is the idea that the republican administration in florida would extend the voter registration deadline. they wanted a deadline and a federal judge denied it. >> and it is not surprising.

as we were talking in the last segment that i was on with you, it is just voter suppression, making sure that they don't make it easy for people of color, young people to vote. they see the writings on the wall. and i mean republicans. and so they are -- there is a voter suppression, there is the messaging around gillum and also stacy brah stacey abrams as well. they see the fear. we see the fear in them. and what is happening is you have andrew gillum in florida doing something that no other democrat has been able to do, who has run statewide. he is sxigt tis exciting the ba. we saw young people, black people, brown people coming out. so they are fearful of what they could mean on november 6. and also the polls. the polls have had gillum leading in most of them. so this is what they have to do. they are cheating and then they

are going to the lowest of the lows. and then also the president is giving them the carte blanche do that. he won't say stop. he is just letting them do that because this is what he does in his rallies. so every republican candidate is going to the streams a extremes racist and a bully. >> and this is at a time when florida is a complicated state. you have issues when the environment, the red tide, hurting rick scott the current governor because he signed full scale on to the disbelief in climate change. not allowing climate change to be said. and now trying to do his part to help with the hurricane. you have the latino vote, no one really knows how that will shake out. what do you make of where

florida is now? are these polls believable when andrew gillum seems to be so far out ahead? >> well, we talked about this before and my fellow pollsters know this as well, it is about the universe, right? will millennials make up a swathe of the florida electorate like they did in 2012 when obama was able to win it in 2008. or will they sit on their hands again. and with issues likes environment front and center when you have one candidate who denies the science of it, again, i keep pressing millennials, but this is your future and you have to engage in these elections. one quick point about what they are doing to gillum in florida. any minority or women candidates, they walk in the door with a set of biases built around them and around african-american men in particular, the bias is that you are less ethical. and you are not as intelligence quite frankly. and so they try to drive those narratives that are already

built in as a part of that bias. so even a headline that says fbi not in fact probing gillum, it is fbi and gillum for a lot of their base voters and that is just sort of the narrative wiabt ethics being driven home. >> and our pollster from florida, what will happen here? because typically getting voters of color out in mird terdterms easy. florida has been particularly tough. is the game board different this time? >> well, it is. and i think the republican campaign, the racist republican campaign, speaks to that as cornell talked about. unless they make this campaign on racial terms, unless they turn it into a race war, we have even andrew gillum refusion to at that time bait. -- refuse to take the bait. he is talking about what wants

to do for the people of florida and while ron desantis continue to try to write this down. why? very simple. math. in the white electorate in florida goes 8/20 for ron desantis and they can define it on the racial trope, that will be enough to win. but if they can keep the margins down, we know people of color will turn out because they are excited and enthused by the gillum candida gill gillum candidate, but if republicans can make this a race war, then i think that that is their calculous for how they win this election. but it is repprehensible. so do we fall for the cheap tactics that undermine our democracy. that is the central question people need to ask themselves. >> one wonders how people hope

govern after creating a dichotodi dichoto dichotomy. so interesting tactics. thank you all very much. the republican riot police are back. we'll tell you about that next.

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i hope americaning kno inga is not what our brave men and women are doing. >> these are hard times. our economy -- i need to have a conversation with you. >> so have you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? seriously. just knock the -- i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. so that is the side that is claiming that the left has gotten too vie leptsd. part of the republican party's new strategy of painting republicans as an angry mob. loaded language harkens back to the civil rights era. republicans would like you to forget trump's calls to violence, forget the neo-nazi marches and the tea party and armed anti-obama protestors. nope, what is scary is women

demanding that maybe someone accused of sexual assault not get a lifetime appointment on the supreme court. or this terrifying comments by eric holder. >> michelle obama says when they go low, we go high. no. no. when they go low, we kick 'em. that is what this new democratic party is about. when i say we kick 'em, that didn't mean anythi didn't mean anything illegal, but we have to be tough. >> and i know you are all quaking. so after that terrifying don't burn anybody comments, i just want to play one more time -- we

did at the beginning but this is donald trump at his rallies and what his audience chants about any woman he mentions. take a listen. >> the guards are gentle, he is walking out with big high fives. like to punch 'em in the face, i'll tell ya. in the good old days, this doesn't happen because they used to treat them very, very rough. and when they protested once, you know, they would not do it again so easily. we have some people, some rough guys like here and they started punching back. it was a beautiful thing. >> lock her up, lock her up, lo lock her up! >> i'm old now remember off with his head at sarah palin rallies. tea partiers wi s with witch do signs. but now the republican party eye new meme is that democrats are a

swri le violence mob. >> and that is ridiculous. lying is uncivil. bigotry is uncivil. racism is uncivil. it is not the democrats that have the problem. and people standing up for rights are somehow the bullies when it is actually the system and policies that are putting wra babies in cages, that are marching through the streets with tee ke with tiki torches. so to ranld pad paul's comments somebody already died. so the glad we are risking violence when it already happened is a complete distracti distraction. so the glad wrords that we a ar saying or eric holder is it saying is the unsafl part of it is ridiculous.

>> there is a stop resisting kind of vibe to what republicans are doing. they are saying we run this place, we pick the supreme court. we run everything. shut up. stop resisting. you are not allowed to say anything. and when president obama is president, you ha president, tough tedagainst -- n agains againsagainst -new nugent saying we need to kill them. >> and he was there the same day kanye was there. kanye got all the attention. but ted nugent was at the white house again. but this is all about trying to silence opposition. trying to project what they are going on to democrats. and then that is a tool of silencing opposition. and they are not just doing it rhetorically. what is most dangerous about what they are doing is that they

are trying to do it legislatively. there are laws across this country aimed at silencing protests which is part of what makes america -- if you want to talk about america being great, that is what makes great is the fact that we do have a right to protest policies that we see as unjust. and policies that are unjust. so i think that this is about that and democrats cannot fall for this trap. >> and it was kid rock there too this week. it all bleed bleed s together. and under this is a kind of sense that cruelty is now what we're doing. and this is before donald trump. when ron paul was asked a question back in the debate in 2011 when he was one of the republican candidates for governor, should society let an uninsured man die, here is wh

happened. >> this whole idea that you have to take care of everybody. >> but are you saying that society should just let him die? >> no. >> there is something about that. it precedes donald trump. i don't know if you remember the tea party rally where a tea partier flung money down on a guy who was disabled and said get a job. so there is an anger and violence inherent in the ideology a little bit. and now carried toefr donald trump just lets your freak flag fly. >> there is and an ger, but also a cruelty. and when ron paul said that 2011, it was just members in the audience shouting and he ignored what they had to say. we ignored the crazies as we called them then.

and donald trump has left the craze crazies run wild and not have them being held accountable. what republicans have been counting on is for democrats to operate the way democrats have in the past. which is if you attack them as being angry or violent or you accuse them of something that runs counter to whatever moral code you think democrats run by, the democrats will fold. and democrats have done that many time in his ts in the past. but there go around they are discovering that democrats aren't having it and they are willing to go toe to toe. and i'm so glad that you played eric holder's full comments. because a lot of people have been cutting it off at kick 'em. but eric holder, if you know the former attorney general, he is very drib --drib-glib -- dlib b.

he says that the democrat party goes toe to toe and i'll show you how your policies are a mockery of who we are as a country. so to scott wagner who said he wanted to put on golf cleats and kick the face of the sitting pennsylvania governor, that is what we have been reduced to. but again, whether stacy sabram, an grew gidrew gillum, they are that they aren't afraid. >> but can you curverun a skuco

like that how do you govern a majority who you have declared such rage against. i don't know how that even wo s works. >> i don't think it works because first of all, this is not new. outside agitators was the same language used during the civil righting era. a lot of the language be used is the exact same language that was use against little girls that were integrating schools. so i think this is not new. and i think that what republicans are showing is they don't have an interest in governing the entire country. >> and yet they want to. >> they want to govern and donald trump has shown us yet again that he doesn't care about the entire country. he panders to the base over and over and over again. and we talk about the base as if that is the whole of the country. it is not. and the majority is resisting this president and they will show up november 6 and push back. because this is a scare write direction for the country to be

going in. >> it is never police and. coming up, saudi prince back in the news. that is next. ck in the news. that is next here we go.

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like the saudis. they are very nice. th they buy all sorts of my stuff. they pay me hundreds of millions. >> i get along great with all of them. they spend $40 million, $50 million. am i supposed to dislike them? >> donald trump has done business with the saudis for

decades date back to at least the 1990s. and the saudi printsz bougce br hotel and yacht from trufmp. and then there is jared kushne., joining me now is our anchor, and also reporter from the tl atlantic. thank you all for being here. jared kushner's relationship with mbs, it sort of pinged on the radar when he visited saudi arabia in november of qatar was off. and then all this talk of seeking up to $100 million to pay off his building. how deep are the financial ties?

>> we don't know enough because at the end of the day we don't have all the tax returns, et cetera. but we know this. when trump was asked why he doesn't want to take a tougher stance against saudi arabia on the jamal khashoggi case, he started talking about the fact that they are spending so many billions of dollars in the u.s. economy. he large exaggerated that amount. but he also said this is not about saudi arabia actually being an important security partner. this is not about a geopolitical relevance of saudi arabia. this is not about any of all those different things that may have been true 20, 30 years ago. at this point it is about money. and it doesn't steam to -- seem be money for the american xhern as much as the trump economy. and there was a sense at least coming from mbs that bagging that he had jar read in hed in .

and there was a sense at least coming from mbs that bagging that he had jared in his pocket. and they bragged that kushner had discussed the economy. >> and what is interesting about some this relationship is how the two have created wnk th wit and let's be clear, there is transactional it would be silly to say that actually the trump administration is the closest to the saudis compared to what we have seen in the past. a lot of american administrations have benefited economically from the saudi american relationship lucrative ly but what is interesting is that these two men came at a time where they were both rising within the political profiles. the crown prince was new, young, some were critical of his foreign policy. he was described as a hot head

and irrational. so there was a desire to the saudi crown opinions's part to get the power. and so jared kushner came in and the saudi crown prince rounded up a lot of people saying that it was under the guise of fighting corruption. but you at the same time, also raised a lot of flags about human rights abuse inside the kingdom. and it has gotten worse according to human rights ourselves. mf li -- organizations. and also there were reports that countries were trying to curry favor over transactions. so there were definitely a lot of questions about personal financials transactions that have not been investigated and whether they are affect tare ba

this administration is conducting policy in the region. >> and some say that the crown prince is acting like putin and that he must restore dignity to his country. >> can i -- >> sure. >> just very quickly, the fact that we discussing the temperament of mbs. and in washington he is known as a reformer because of all the money that he has been spending on these different pr firms. but what is interesting that inside the arab world, a journalist told me this week that in many circles he is not called the reformer or moderator or modernizer. instead his nickname is little saddam. let that sink in.

>> absolutely. and one of the things that he has done is try to alter the economics of imperatives which is all about on oabout oil. you have this big conference where all these investments from the sovereign wealth fund, now you there is a pretty big full back, but not from the trump administration. >> right. as we heard yesterday, steve mnuchin is going to be attending. he had no plans to pull back and that is a very back look especially ywhat yo jared kushn stood by mbs. they bonded over lunch in march of 2017 and they have been bhudbhud

bud buds. jared kushner persuaded the president to take to a troiip t riyadh. and that first trip being to riyadh and the photos, that spoke volumes about the trajectory that this administration was going to go in. kushner, like everything else, there is a russia and the here. saudis have been trying to per sw trump administration to get closer on to the middle east. as to it was kind of this -- there are these negotiations going on behind the scenes that jared kushner for example thinks are very important to the security of united states. but at the expense of

criticizing saudi arabia for its human rights abuses which the trump administration has not done. and i think that we will continue to see jared stand by and mbs as more information comes to light because the information is too important. i think that to pull out of this now especially when the saudis have the potential to blackmail kushner which they have said that they have him in his pocket, i think that it is really -- we just have to prepare for the worst here in terms of the trump administration continuing to the pattern of not calling out the saudis. >> and we had the united states pull out of iran deal and essentially take saud th the sa and decide that we would look the other way at what has happened in yemen. and so it didn't appear that the trump administration is of a

mind to distance itself from the kingdom. >> so the united states in my view does not have a compelling ghee o geopolitical reason to continue with this relationship with saudi arabia. but saudi arabia does have a very compelling geopolitical reason to try to keep the united states as close as possible to itself in order to use the u.s.' power to fight rivalries in the region. it was the former secretary of defense of obama administration bob gates who said that the saudis want to fights the iranians to the last american. so the longer game in the hope of getting away with all of these different things is to trap the united states in a war with iran. >> and i wonder if mbs' position might become more in-tuntenable.

the just may not do nation, but that doesn't mean that the europeans might not pull back. they could suffer economic isolation as a result of allegedly killing this journalist. >> and we'll have to see how it plays out. i think that those watching saudi arabia closely know that the internal politics ofalway r competition about that y competition. but right now he is in power and so he has the support of the way the ghof the governing structure still exists. and he iscosmosing koz mecomes-

cosmetic reforms. but the question is whether that he can deliver on the economic front. and that can't happen by saudi arabia alone. the west will have to get in. and saudi arabia has been lucrative for the west. so that is the challenge. will they turn a blind eye to this increasing and apparent human rights record or will they ignore that for the lucrative contracts and invest opportunities that saudi arabia poses inside the kingdom and also with the foreign investment arm. >> and particularly if turns out that -- >> it is a game changer. >> reach outside of his own borders. thank you all very much. appreciate it. coming up, the latest on the american pastor released by

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companies. you want to take that money away. why? >> first of all, thank for you allowing me to come on. when i look at a budget, it's more than a set or a collection of numbers. it's really a moral document for what you stand for. just the premise of a for-profit prison system i just find to be morally reprehensible and i don't think is a good return. the reason why the state of ohio is unfortunately one of the top incarcerating states is we're incentivizing locking people up. state of ohio itself spence about 1.8 billion a year incarcerating people. when you look at our pension system, working men and women are actually investing in something that's taking away opportunities for their kids, you know, we invest all this money, i think it should be divested and i hope to work with treasurers all across the country who share this belief. my goal, if i would have been

kanye and sat down at that meeting, i would have asked president trump would you he's doubling down and helping for-profit prison lock up more people. instead of having real criminal justice reform, i'm afraid it's going to continually get worse unless we're willing to address it at the state levels. >> you have made the connection as well to immigration. >> absolutely. >> now that we're incarcerating even little kids, private prison industry makes moan on that. >> you look at core civic, one of the groups that the state of ohio through the pension system, is investing in, they are locking up my grant kids all across of country, which is also immoral and not the way we want to see returns for the state of ohio and not for our nation. the taxpayers are still subsidizing this. this is something we're allowing companies to get rich while subsidizing taxpayers dollars, and it takes away opportunities from people. i don't think it's how we should invest or dollars.

i don't think this is what we should do not only country, frankly, the reason why we incarcerate more people in the world, despite only having about 25% of the world's population, we're the leader in terms of incarcerating people. it's these types of policies that lead to these things. i'll do my role as treasurer -- it's not a position that people think about when addressing these issues, but i believe you can use the power of the purse to hold the powerful he accountable. you have the power to influence policy in a much larger manner. i just say you can learn a lot at our website to learn. i give you credit for proactivity, reached out to the shows, listening, i'm running for state treasure you are, but i found your case compelling and said, you know, take your shot, tell the people what you want to do. rob richardson, good luck to you in your race. >> thank you for the

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