mitchell reports." denial, president trump sends the secretary of state right now to saudi arabia to get answers about the missing journalist which today the saudi king flatly denies the allegation that they killed the journalist. >> the king denies any knowledge of it. it sounds to me these could have been rogue killers, who knows? but this was a flat denial. >> their denials ring hollow. flat hollow. it seems inconceivable that these actions would be taken out without the knowledge of the king of saudi arabia, bin al man. do you really think i would call russia to help me with an election? give me a break. >> you mocked christine blasey

ford. >> and a million dollar question, elizabeth warren calls the president's bluff, releasing her dna results, telling him to pay off after mocking her claim that she was related to an american-indian ancestor. >> i will give you a million dollars if you take the test and it shows you're an indian, you know? and good day, everyone, i'm andrea mitchell in washington, secretary of state mike pompeo on his way to saudi arabia on a surprise trip hoping to meet with king bin salman. the journalist widely believed to have been killed by king

salman. >> i just spoke to the king of saudi arabia, who denies any knowledge of what took place with regard to, as he says, his saudi arabian citizen. i have asked and he firmly denies that. i have asked the secretary of state mike pompeo to immediately get on a plane and go to saudi arabia, go to other places if necessary. the king told me that turkey and saudi arabia are working hand in hand very closely on getting to the bottom of what happened. >> it had been nearly two weeks since the journalist disappeared. the turkish government told officials that they have audio and video of the journalist being killed inside the turkish embassy. today turkish investigators have been told they will be allowed to inspect the consulate for the first time, accompanied by saudi

officials. >> bill neely is in istanbul. kristen, first to you, the president now just commenting on this, he was leaving to go to the gulf, to florida to inspect the hurricane damage. but revealing that the secretary of state was leaving, which we just saw, pompeo leaving for saudi arabia. the saudis have put out a statement just a few moments ago saying that the president in consult with king salman was praising the joint efforts. the turks have heard nothing from saudi arabia, as far as we know, of any information about what happened to khaskhoggi? >> reporter: and underscoring that point, you heard president trump reiterating over and over again and king salman denied very firmly that the saudis had anything to do with this. in fact president trump said

based on their conversation, it may be rogue actors. i asked president trump what if anything he told the king about what actions and what repercussions there might be if in fact saudi arabia is deemed to be responsible. president trump said we didn't discuss that. and one of the key questions for this administration and for the president has been would he cancel the joint arms agreement. and president trump indicating over the weekend, he had no plans to do that. i asked him again why he would take that off the table. he said he's not taking it off the table. i just want to point out that he's very loud about pointing it out. and you have marine one in the background. but bottom line, andrea, he didn't give any indications about what repercussions there might be, what actions would be taken by the united states and he didn't give any indication based on our conversation what he threatened to do once he gets to the bottom of this, andrea.

>> and bill neely, in istanbul today, for the first time we believe that perhaps they have already gotten inside the consulate. of course who knows what evidence might still be left. >> reporter: i have to say andrea, it is all very unclear. about an hour ago, four vehicles came up to the saudi consulate here in sistanbul, but we're no sure whether there were any turkish investigators inside that car. the turks have announced an inspection, not a search. it is 13 days since that journalist disappeared. and so this goes to the heart o the whole thing, earlier king salman announced an internal investigation in riyadh. in other words the saudis are investigating themselves. and as you say, extraordinary that president trump is almost,

almost acting like a spokesman for king salman, talking about rogue killers. that's a line that the saudi media has been propagating to try to muddy the waters here. it's quite clear from the turkish side that the 15 men who got off those two saudi registered jets were connected with the saudi security establishment, one of them was a forensic expert. they weren't tourists and as far as we know they weren't rogue elements. as one u.s. official said, anything that happens would have happened in that consulate would have had the direct knowledge of either the king or more importantly that mohammad bin salman is the man who really runs saudi arabia. so the idea that they were just rogues who came in on a plane, i don't know. i think maybe the theme of this, there is still after 13 days very, very little that we know for sure.

>> and john brennan, i should point out on "meet the press," as you all well know and nick burns certainly knows from having worked with him, john brennan who is now our advisor on national intelligence, was nod only the former cia director, the deputy of counter terror at national security, he was the former cia station chief, he lived in riyadh, he dealt with it. it was his account. in those days, he was covert, as ci station chief. so nick burns when he says on meet the press, that king salman is known to be less than on top of things, let's just say, there's been reports of the elderly king not being completely in charge and that's one of the ways that this crown prince was able to leap frog over others who were in line for the throne and became the king in the first place.

and we do not know if bin salman would know, and embraced fully by this white house, certainly by jared kushner and the president if we were involved in this one, but he said, brennan said that it would inconceivable that this would have happened without his knowledge and order. >> i think john brennan is right. there's no question the executive authority, the acting official in charge in riyadh, is moment bin salman, the crown prince. and the saudis have a real problem here, they have not offered any plausible explanation of what happened. if president trump got the term rogue actors or rogue killers from saudi arabia this morning, that would have to mean saudi security services. they are not going to let people wander into their consulate in

istanbul. from republican leaders in the congress, as well as democratic leaders, now business executives exiting this big investment extravaganza, that mbs, the crown prince was going to run two weeks from now, who runs the saudi government and it's not a government who tells the truth necessarily. so they're in a real bind hire, and our president needs to be careful because he's obviously feeling pressure too to do something. he doesn't need to be a spokesman for the saudi government. we're a democracy, jahmahl khasoggi was part of the government. i think we need to see more of that from the trump administration.

>> tell everybody what's at stake here. you know-- >> well, there's a lot of the stake. there's a lot of the stake. and maybe especially so because this man was a reporter. because something -- you'll be surprised to hear me say that, is something really terrible and disgusting to hear that about the case, so we're going to have to see. we're going to get to the bottom of it and there will be severe punishment. >> so kristen will keelker, thel be by partisan support, congress is not going to let this stand and there is no conceivable way that he left that consulate with

no one having seen him. >> reporter: and the pressure on capitol hill grows, with administration officials saying that saudi arabia's moral authority is at stake and therefore the president needs to consider scrapping that arms deal. i asked the president, to your point, andrea, we saw him enter the saudi arabia consulate, we didn't see him leave, so who else could it be? the president saying, look, he's not sure and reiterating what you just heard in that 60 minutes interview, that he is determined to get to the bottom of it. but the pressure that's mounting from capitol hill is showing no signs of letting up. and that's something the president and his administration is going to have to deal with in the coming days. >> and again from that statement of the saudi foreign minister today, saying that the president, in his phone call with the king, praised the joint saudi-turkish cooperation of the investigation into the disappearance jamal khashoggi

and determining all the relevant in facts. what cooperation, bill neely? >> reporter: yeah, exactly, and also the saudis, you'll have noted in another tweet, expressed their appreciation for the united states not jumping to conclusions. look, the saudis are stroking the united states on the one hand and also sending out a warning to the world about their economic power. remember, saudi arabia produces 10.7 billion barrels of oil a day on saudi television, state run tv. they have been saying that it's quite easy for the price of oil to go up to $200 a barrel should they cut oil production. so the saudis are also flexing their muscles and sending a direct message to united states, if you mess with us by imposing

sanctions, we can mess with not only the global economy, but with yours too, trump, and that arms deal that affects hundreds of thousands of workers that depend on that armed contract. >> that's a terribly inflated number, but of course oil is the big play here. and finally, that conference that nbs is hosting, we have heard that is is now j.pmorgan, still the treasury secretary still committed to be there, steve mnuchin, at this point, while it's still an open case on khashoggi that the -- >> sending mike pompeo is a good idea. he's a serious guy, he's not going to be pushed around. and the administration is in a

tough situation. on the one hand, we do rely on saudi arabia to help contain iran in the region. and they have energy power. on the other hand, we're a democracy and we have to stand up for your values. so it may be whether secretary mnuchin goes or not, that's part of what we can hold on to right here. i think that's what the saudis communicated over the weekend, threatening $200 per barrel of oil, they have to sell their oil and the united states government would push back against that. we have a lot more leverage than the saudis. i think presides pompeo is the deliver a powerful message from the united states. >> coming up, unplugged, the president going on offense, defending its embrace of north korea, defending christine

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>> president trump defending his treatment of christine blasey

ford in a wide ranging interview. >> why did you make fun of her? >> i didn't make fun. what i said the person we were talking about didn't know the time, the place. >> christine blasey ford got before the senate and asked what was the worst part. when the two boys laughed at me at my expense. and then i watched you laugh at her and thousands of people were laughing at her. >> i can tell you the way now justice kavanagh was treated has become a big factor in the midterms. have you seen what's going on with the polls? >> but did you have to -- >> i think she was treated with great respect. i'll be honest. there are those who think she shouldn't have been. >> it do you think you treated her with great respect? >> i think so, yes. >> you seem to be saying she lied. >> i'm not going to get into it because we won, it doesn't

matter, we won. >> the bottom line is they won. ruth marcus, deputy editorial page editor at "the washington post" and the news review editor, margaret carlson. that was as honest an answer as you will ever see, we won. >> and if he hadn't come out and mocked her, we wouldn't have won, so instrumental is the rule of the trump presidency, if it works, keep doing it. but what i really loved was that shrug. when she asked, when lesley stahl asked about the laughter, he was like, oh, yeah, whatever. boy. >> boy, is right. >> you got the gender right. >> i had a ruder word, i just didn't want to say it. >> margaret, how did it strike you? >> all's fair and everything is the bottom line.

he's the bottom line president in the truman show. because if you have noticed, almost everything he does is on camera and i went and compared schedules of presidents and chiefs of staff. he has the lightest schedule as any other president. he's now his own communications director. he's giving the press conference almost every day. and it is the truman show. what he does is almost -- almost everything he does is on camera. if the camera light is not on, he's not on. >> as margaret said, all's fair, or not, but if i could just carry that one step further, all's fair in love and war. we have got love and war with north korea. let's play that segment. >> do you trust him? >> i do trust him. that doesn't mean i can't be proven wrong. >> why do you trust him? >> first of all, if didn't truth him i wouldn't say that to you.

>> the truth is they have gotten rid of missiles and they are actually building more missiles. >> they are closing sites. >> have they said that they haven't. >> nobody really knows. people are saying that, i have actually said that. >> they're still building missiles, more missiles? >> we don't really know. >> i want to read you his resume, okay? >> okay, he presides over a cruel kingdom of oppression, he had his half brother assassinated. this is a guy you love? >> i'm not a baby, i know all these things. >> but why do you love that guy? >> look, i like -- i get along with him, okay. >> you love him? >> that's just a figure of speech. >> it's like an imbraece. >> let it be an embrace.

>> that was a figure of speech. >> but that resonates around the world. that tells china, well, we can lift our sanctions, russia, i mean, why would you say i love kim jong-un and does he not accept the intelligence assessment that we and others have reported. according to singapore, he's not dismantling his nuclear missiles? >> the president is kind of his own reviewer, he tells us, if i didn't trust him, i wouldn't tell you. he sort of undercuts his own message there. but love is an astonishing word to use in a sentence with kim jong-un. it's just astonishing, and it has ramificatioramifications, t astonishing not just with our relationship with north korea but with others. >> he has it backwards, he

thinks thisthink s he seduced the north korean dictator, but he thinks he seduced trump because trump has gotten nothing. and trump said on the campaign trail, i like people who like me. now he loves people who love him. >> there's a thing on climate change that's got to be read to be believed because the scientists have their own agenda. and we have seen this incredible report, not just from the u.n., but from the administration itself, acknowledging that the end is nearer than what we think. >> why should he believe scientists if he doesn't believe his intelligence director or general mattis? >> this is what he had to say when lesley stahl asked about the cabinet, changes in general mattis. >> i think i have a great cabinet, there are some people i'm not happy with. >> who are they? >> i'm not going to say names, i

have people who i'm not thrilled with and i have other people that i am beyond thrilled with. >> what about general mattis, do you want him to leave? >> i think he's sort of a democratic, if you want to know the truth. j general mattis is a good guy. at some point people leave. that's washington. >> that is such a tell with this president. when he says he's sort of a democrat, not true. and also, at some point, everybody leaves, he's been saying he's been such an important part of my team, and of course we rely on him, but frankly the well has been poisoned by the new national security advisor and the new national security advisor who are against mattis. >> and nobody who watches this administration should be thrilled to be watching that interchange because the notion

of a trump cabinet without secretary mat stis there is a mh scarier place in my view. >> he gives solace to his base, they say oh, he's a democratic, so that completely removes his authority. and at the end of the exchange, he said, and i know more than he does. and that is trump'sed attitude towards all of his people, unless they completely agree with him. tariffs, all of it. he knows more than anybody. and the cabinet members he's thrilled with. he can guess who those are, they're the ones who completely agree with him. >> there are cabinet members who have had affiliations with the other side of the political leadership and it hasn't been true. >> and coming up, impeachment as democrats debate the issue,

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will you pledge, pledge, that you will not shut down the mueller investigation? >> i don't pledge anything. but i will tell you, i have no intention of doing that. i think it's a very unfair investigation because there was no collusion of any kind. >> but you won't pledge? >> i don't want to pledge. why should i pledge to you? if i pledge, i'll pledge, why should i pledge to you? but i have no intention of doing it. >> president trump saying he has no intention of shutting mueller down, at least for now. and today the co-author of the new book "impeachment" in american history. more on that in a moment. i want to throw down on that incredible interview by lesley stahl. but here on mueller, you know, and he's basically saying i'm not going to talk about that,

but he's sticking to his story. >> he's not ruling anything out. at least i have no intention, your intention could change in a minute. that's not a meaningful statement. the meaningful statement is that he won't rule it out because he wants there to be uncertainty, in the special counsel's office a feeling under threat that they can't go too far because there's a feeling they might be shut down. that might get us to the top of the book, potentially some sort of backlash or an argument for impeachment if democrats should win the house. they look at this as a red line, mueller is supposed to be protected during this investigation. they have in the past said that mueller should be protected. >> and of course we expect that, my reporting is that jeff sessions will be gone, at least to my understanding that he's going to step down before he

quarterback fired but 's going to be fired and that might shut down the next person who taking over the mueller probe. then we get to impeachment, democrats are torn, saying don't speak about impeachment, because it mobilizes the republican base. >> exactly. >> and what they would do if they took over the house. >> some steyer, the liberal from new york, he has tens of millions of dollars worth of ads. do they proceed in the way that their base wants them to go, even though it looks like at the moment that they would have enough votes to actually remove him from the senate and therefore you would have a collision of forces. or do they risk alienating their base, and say of course we're not going to do this because we don't think there's a reason to do it. >> and your part of the new book is to look at the clinton

impeachment. and he was acquitted in the senate, so it did become a big issue in the senate. the net result was that -- so he had the power of the public behind him on that regard. in the midterm elections, it happened during his impeachment process, they won seats rash lost seats and that was a signal. and the process was that it meant it was becoming party line. and what we have learned from all these impeachments is that the impeachment will not succeed if it's party line. only if the president's party gets on board, not all of them, but some of them, is the only time they're going to be successful in impeachment. right now you've got a loyal republican party in the house

and the senate behind president trump. >> and you have those democrats voting on the impeachment of president nixon. and the warning from republican leaders that he had to step down. look at t look at the reporting this morning that plays right into your whole scenario. >> in retrospect do you think bill should have resigned in the wake of the monica lewinsky scandal. >> no. >> there were people that looked at the incidents of the 90s and they say a president of the united states cannot have a consensual relationship with an intern. the balance of power was -- >> he was an adult. >> and we should point out that again, this follows her as it did with craig melvin was interviewing president clinton. >> she is's a flawed messenger

as is he in the me too movement, they are not coming in with clean hands and participate like anybody else, was the affair with monica lewinsky consensual, yes, but there's an imbalance of power. and there were incidents that were not consensual. but a lot of people didn't believe them for maybe some good reasons in terms of the evidence. one of the things that survive sorries are supposed to be believed, they're supposed to understand that it takes courage to do that and i think that makes him and president clinton look a little different in the eyes of history. >> peter baker, you have covered so many presidents, with the

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is fueling hopes for both democrats and republicans, depending on where. house races have a key voting blocks that could tip the scales in key battlegrounds if they turn out. and "the washington post" abc news poll shows a major spike among younger adults, nonwhite voters and those that say they favor democrats for the house. joining me now nbc news, senior political editor mark murray and a "new york times" reporter. the big picture, the polling picture, is it becoming toovp c too much conventional wisdom that the house is now going -- >> it's not overstating it, and

i think that's a small assumption and it's worth noting that so much can end up changing as far as a balance. and that might end up putting the senate more in play for democrats right now. there are fewer people who end up voting in midterm elections. so the site that's actually more fired up, more enthusiastic often ends up winning. in past midterm cycles in 2006, the shellacking that republicans took, in 2010, and 2014, the shellacking that democrats ended up taking was because one side was really fired up and the other side wasn't. what we're seeing in polls is that dems are more enthusiastic. so this might be a mid term that might be a little bit different than we saw in 2010, 2006 and 2014. >> he you've been going to the rallies talking to people. i think you were in iowa. >> michigan. close.

>> you were in a state that state that donald trump won famously but if not for michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania, he might not be president. >> right. of course. and what i wanted to see was what kavanagh was doing for democrats. we knew there was a lot of data showing that we were closing the gap in enthusiasm between republicans and democrats. it seems impossible that democrats could be more motivated to vote, but i was wrong. >> it's very high. >> it's very high, especially among women, we know there is a gender gap in these midterms and you see one democratic activist and one worker told me they were super sonic charged up. traditionally republicans have been the ones that have turned out for midterms. the question is whether democrats are going to flip that, is it enough? it's not clear that it will be in the senate and right now it

looks like it won't be. >> and mark, what about millennials, because there's been such a dropoff in actual voting from intention to vote among younger people, we have seen it every cycle. >> andrea, historically millennials and younger voters have always been the least enthusiastic not only in midterm elections, but also in presidential ones. the concern for democrats is that millennials now are such a big part of the democratic base. you end up having the female voters, latinos and also young voters. but if one of those legs, young voters isn't as fired up as the others, that could end up hurting democrats, but the gu e guidance we have gotten from "the wall street journal" poll, that if democrats are actually able to gin up young voter turnout, the midterms could be better for democrats than they have been hoping for. but i think you're right,

watching the millennial voters and how they turn out is going to be one of the keys to the puzzle in november. >> it i want to talk about elizabeth warren. possible 2020 players, obviously she's got a very easy re-elect on the senate side this time, as far as we understand in massachusetts, here donald trump being asked about what the "boston globe" reveals that elizabeth warren has the results 6 of a dna test to answer his challenge of whether she actually has american-indian. >> who cares? >> you said you would give $1 million to charity. >> i didn't say that, you better read it again. >> well, we would have to dig that tape up, but warren has tweeted by the way, realdonaldtrump, remember saying that on july 5 that you would

give $1 million to a charity of my choice if my dna showed native american blood. calling his bluff? >> she's trying to. senator warren is one who believes that taking the fight to president trump is what democrats needs and what democratic voters are going to want to see in 2020. she released a bunch of her tax returns, she had a story in the "boston globe" that her team participated in, that had interviewed a lot of people that hired her at harvard, and showed that her native american ancestry was a part of that in that hiring. she's trying to clear out a little bit of her baggage, that she possibly, we're all in the presidential business now, jump into the presidential race, a couple months maybe even a couple of weeks after the

midterms. >> and coming up, the swing vote, i'll talk about a prominent political scientist that talked about getting president trump elected.

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do you believe that the russians interfered in the 2016 campaign, election? >> they meddled but i think china meddles, too. >> why do you say china meddled, too? >> i think china meddled, also. i think, frank -- >> you are diverting the russian thing. >> i'm saying russia and china. >> despite robert mueller's indictments of oligarchs and intelligence officials president trump down playing russian interference in 2016 and insisting china is a bigger problem. joining me is director of communications at university of pennsylvania and author of "cyber-war." an analysis of online activity in 2016 that concludes that

russia's targeted bots were decisive. i should declare, we worked together at anaburg many years and also loosely at penn and i'm so excited about this book. >> thank you. >> because i saw it in manuscript and you have real evidence. your analysis, so we can talk about the other stuff out there. should she have gone here and what about comey? you looked at two debates and that period in october, last two debates and most viewers say hillary clinton won, she knew more stuff and you looked at the high audience debates and other events that were happening that were driven in targeted ways by russian moles. >> technically it is the russian hackers but abetted by the trolls because the trolls are amplifying virtually everything the hackers do. what was interesting to us as we looked at the affect of the hacking is it changed the media

agenda. and if we look at our historical analysis of past campaigns, you are able to change votes. in the period of october, from after the first debate to the comey investigation, hillary clinton drops in perceived qualification to be president. what else is going on other than hacked content? we see the affect in the media agenda, the polls and we see an affect in the two debates. >> when you see the affect of the two debates, it is dramatic that what would happen is the wikileaks hack pushing out all of this stuff and instead of talking about october 7th's announcement of the russians interfering in the election, that didn't become a topic of conversation. instead, it was the results of the hack which were pushed out as you point out which were the goldman sachs speeches where she was saying one thing in private and public. the speech about wall street, brazil and out of context,

content speaking about the open borders where she wasn't talking about immigration but sharing the electric grid and never got out. >> the first effect is october 7th when that piece of information from our intelligence community that the russians were behind it got lost. "the washington post" story and then the russians through wikileaks dropped the podesta e-mails. >> 40 minutes later after "access hollywood." >> instead of that weekend being about the russians and "access hollywood" and might have ended the trump candidacy, you have now two streams of information and the press counter balanced them. they're both vulnerable. do they say one thing in public and different in private? and that same speech content comes back to haunt her in the two debates where we saw questions framed from that content that were taken out of context and used effectively by

donald trump and the debate against hillary clinton. we saw effects in the debates. the debate viewers from nonviewers on the perception saying one thing in public and another in private and less likelihood of voting for her. >> drill on that little piece of it. if you draw the logical conclusion here that the people that watched the two debates, two final debates, found her to be less trustworthy and that she was saying one thing in private, another in public, those were the big audiences for those, you know, those narratives. >> it is not less trustworthy as less forthright an playing into the narrative that bernie sanders asked what she was hiding by not putting out the speeches but nonetheless when those speeches appear, the press had a narrative. she wasn't disclosing them and the press too ready to buy the narrative that she said one thing and the speeches confirmed

it in private. they actually didn't. the two examples that are used in the debate first out of context and secondly they don't show a different position. he wasn't saying to bankers, for example, i'm going to gut dodd-frank when i get in office. she was saying about an abraham lincoln film and useful for one position in private and one in public and nobody's heard that context. it's not in the news. she sounds as if she's ducking. she is not. she loses that exchange. debate viewers, different from nonviewers in way to predict less likelihood to vote. >> but the bottom line is that from the facts on the ground your analysis is fascinating stuff. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. over one mistake. see, liberty mutual doesn't hold grudges. for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident.

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