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important update the elizabeth warren dna update, president trump just told reporters in georgia that he would give her the money he promised the campaign trail only if he could administer the dna test himself. >> i predicted this 15 minutes ago. i predicted it off air on this show. >> blielizabeth warren, he want your saliva. >> did you have to leave that image in my head? donald trump wanting elizabeth warren's saliva? >> this is where we're heading. >> it is not a great way to start a show on a monday. >> happy monday. >> nicole wallace, thank you very much. >> and if it's monday, the forecast calls for a trump
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storm. good even. i'm in for chuck todd. 22 days until election night. president trump has embraced a trumpian strategy to make the midterms all about, you guessed it, trump. we're talking trump saturation right now, guys. all trump all the time. trump on the road. trump in your living room. trump press conferences. more trump rallies. more trump press conferences. just moments ago, another press conference this time as the president met with officials in georgia while touring the damage from hurricane michael. later this week we've gtot a
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trump in waco. >> a vote for cindy is a vote for me. >> a vote sfor steve is a vote for me. a vote for david is a vote for me in our agenda to make america great again. >> you could argue that republicans are poised to lose control of congress because of trump. and there are signs of a huge spike in midterm voter turn outamong grououts that aren't known as big trump fans. 81% of democrats say they are certain to vote which is up nearly 20 points compared to the 2014 midterms. the turnout from younger voters could spike by 25 points. it's the same with minorities. however democrats are seeing flashing warning signs when it comes to latino voters. still the plight facing republicans right now is largely
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because of trump. yet they see the solution to that problem as largely more trump. it might work, especially when it comes to the gop efforts to hold the senate which goes through more than a few trump loving states. i'm joined by tonight's panel. beth is a senior politics editor at nbc news. noah is an msnbc contributor and associate editor at commentary mag gene. zerlinda, the director of progressive programming at sirius xm. welcome, everyone. i saw make a face when i talked about younger voters. i understand why you made that face, but i do have some context for my week on the road last week. let's start with this trump strategy that trump is embracing. it's trump saturation, press conferences, touring, rallies. he's everywhere. is it going to help republicans as they want it to the same way that it helped in 2016? >> well, everything's always
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about trump. trump can't talk about anything else but trump. everything always comes back to trump, even things with no bearing to trump comes back to trump. does it mean it's a successful thing for him to be doing on the campaign trail? we'll talk the day after. he's doing the only thing he knows how to do which is to make it about him. it's not going to help the swing districts populated by white women or college educated. but he's not going to their districts. he's staying far away. he's going to parts of the country and parts of individual states where those swing voters aren't going to see anything of him. so if it's all about bringing out the people who love him and if that's going to get them across the line or some of these republicans along the line we'll say it's smart. >> trump's average margin of victory in the counties he's campaigned in is more than 20 points. overall trump's campaign trips
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have taken him to media markets that touch on about 20 competitive house districts, a fraction of the more than 100 that the cook political report rates as having the potential to flip from one party to the other. so are they just deciding -- is trump just zrideciding to focus the senate considering how much more likely it is that republicans are going to lose the house? is it easier? >> i don't know if it's easier. it seems like a counter productive strategy to me. over the course of two weeks dominated by the kavanaugh hearing, donald trump sort of disappeared from the national conversation. what we saw were republicans, and democrats in the senate. a lot of republicans who were maybe on the fence were reminded of why they are republican voters in the first place. the status quo, this midterm election was about trump. it wasn't about the economy or foreign policy. it was about him as a person and how he conducts himself. him reinserting himself into the national conversation making it about him, i can't imagine it will help him.
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over the course of the last two weeks we've seen polls in the states where donald trump won, reddish states in 2016. the statewide races have been going in the republican direction but polls are a lagging indicator. we could see them revert easily. >> the enthusiasm is widened when it comes to democrats and republicans. republicans saw that boost after the kavanaugh hearing, but there still a lot more democrats that say they're more excited to vote this year than they did in 2014. 2014 was not a great year. when we look at those turnout models, how confident are you that these people who say they're excited, who are registered to vote, are actually going to go out and vote? >> i think it's a different word than excitement. i think it's actually rage which is then generating motivation. >> is the word pollsters use the reason why? >> it's actually a different thing than i'm so excited about my individual house race. it's mostly i am infuriated by
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the things i'm seeing on television, on the news. i am horrified by the conduct of this president. i'm also very disturbed by specific policies. for example, child separation is a big issue for the suburban moms that beth talked about. the idea that you're not motivated to go vote because you're rejecting policies that you see as a human rights violation or an aberration in this country and this moment i think is different than just being excited about it. >> let's play donald trump talking about child separation last night on "60 minutes". >> when you allow the parents to stay together, okay, when you allow that, then what happens is people are going to pour into our country. >> so are you going to go back to that? >> we're looking at a lot of things. we want to change the immigration laws. they're a laughing stock all over the world. there are consequences from
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coming into a country, namely our country, illegally. >> worked for him in 2016 making it all about him. donald trump's indicators are that it will work for him again. is it so -- are you so confident that it's not going to? that something like immigration, even though it might turn off some republican women, won't fire up enough hard core respects, more republican men maybe, to get them or even independents who hate immigration to get them to the polls to make sure they vote down the republican line? >> it's a med term election. it is not a national election. we have a lot of states that are -- >> but it doesn't feel like a midterm the way everything felt in 2014. we are talking about it nonstop. we are talking about it much in the way we talk about a presidential election. it blankens cable news. everything is about the midterms. everything is about what is donald trump doing. it feels necessarily feels bigger this year than it has ever before. >> i can't tell you how different i am experiencing the midterms than that. it is not dominating the
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national conversation like it was in 2014 for republicans who are obsessively focused on retaking the levers of government. i do not see that among republicans. i see cultural issues and a lot of them have almost nothing to do with electoral politics. i see them receding from the conversation. the cable news environment which i loved very much is not like the national environment. i don't see the kind of enthusiasm that i see on cable news in the general electorate. >> to his point about what constitutes enthusiasm, whether it's rage, anxiety, what it really comes down to is whether or not the united states that gave trump the presidency in 2016 wants to basically endorse or push forward him and his agenda into the next two years. it is bigger than our average sort of collection of individual races you usually see in a midterm. this will determine his level of strength going into the last years of his presidency. if the republicans keep the house, keep the senate, it's a huge validation for president trump. it means they're going to go full bore on the wall. they're going to go full bore on
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hard core immigration. more tax cuts. it's going to -- democrats will have absolutely no power if they don't come out of this in some way victorious. >> i know you're saying it's not dominating the conversation the way it was for in 2014, but i do think there is something to be said about the viewership in cable and the circulation in newspapers and the amount of watching television, consuming news, taking part on twitter, it is louder than it was in 2014. it might not be the entire country, but there is krcertain more people paying attention more closely. >> you see this on the left. i can't speak for anything on the republican side, but i know on the progressive left, the energy and organizing, because it's not just enthusiasm in its traditional sense. it's that i am angry and i'm going to go do something. i'm going to leave my house and canvas for my candidates, raise money for the candidates, make phone calls. you have organizations like indivisible and flipable and
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swing left all who had been organizing since 2016. this is two years in. we're not talking about oh, the midterms are coming up and we might want to canvas doors. these are folks the day after the election formed organizations that are building out the progressive infrastructure. so i think that what we are going to see is the result of that work and many, many years of dedication. >> let's talk about that work and whether it is working among all demographics the way -- minority demographics as well as white demographics and latinos. let's talk about that. this is a headline. democrats have a latino problem. can they fix it in time? democrats and activists working to turnout latino voters say they face several obstacles, some of krthem created by the party itself. they worry that anger toward trump rather than driving voters is turning people off politics all together.
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look at this polling about the midterms. when you look at who's going to -- who's interested in coming out and voting, white voters at 61%. african-american voter, 53%. latino voters, 49%. >> one thing we know is that the average age of a latino voter is far younger than other demographic groups. by definition less people are likely come out. when you're a very young voter and have other things going on, other distractions from voting, it's going to perhaps affect that community a little bit more. then we are also seeing evidence that it depends on the place. it depends on the state. it depends on the campaign. on the other hand, we've seen a lot of polling in the texas senate race where federal work appears to be losing ground against ted cruz in part because older hispanics are sticking with ted cruz. >> one of the reasons why i'm hesitant to quantify a kavanaugh effect, although i think it's real is it's also fleeting so you can't really say the
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kavanaugh effect is having this effect on latino voters. one of the things that process did was focus republicans on what the stakes are because they haven't been legislative up until now. you mentioned the wall. the reason we don't have the wall is because republicans are at odds over that. that has been the tip -- that's how you tipify the last two years. republicans are eager to vote for republican. >> which basically the thrust of the des moines register's editorial on why the paper is endorsing all four democrats running in all four of their congressional races, all four districts in iowa. it says something along the lines of we gave republicans a shot. we thought a lot would get done. they did not. it's time to give democrats a chance. >> i think in terms of what democrats can do if they were to take at least one of the levers of power is they would hold the administration accountable. one of the things that is the most frustrating as a citizen of the country, not as a democrat or republican, is the fact that republicans have literally dropped the ball on their job.
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they are supposed to check -- be a check and balance on the president regardless of party. i read the constitution. that's how it's supposed to work. >> donald trump and the party will say we've deregulated, we passed tax reform, we have a new nafta deal, the economy is going well. you're just complaining and that's because you just don't like the president. that's what republicans would say. >> sure. i don't love the president. he's not my favorite in terms of policy or his rhetoric. saying dr. ford, it doesn't matter he made an entire stadium of people laugh at her because he won. as a citizen, that's deep down in the gut. but to the point about democrats, i think that it's not just about what donald trump is doing. it's also about what we can bring and what kind of policies we are pushing for. if we are running for office, we're telling the constituents we're going to protect your health care, we're going to protect the affordable care act so your child who has a
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pre-existing condition can make sure they get their medication at an affordable level. that's something that resonates with voters and i think often the media may not be talking about it but voters are talking about it every single day. >> i was on the road last week. no matter what the age of the person was, no matter the state i was in, red state, purple state, blue state, 25-year-olds, 18-year-olds, 54-year-olds, they were talking about health care everywhere. >> and you're also seeing back to the point about all these things that the republicans accomplished that they are pointing to, we're also seeing in every single poll, even people who are inclined to like republicans, would like to see a check on president trump coming out of congress. they just feel a little bit uncomfortable with 100% one party rule. even if they're somewhat inclined to be a republican, they feel it's a speeding train going in a direction they're not entirely comfortable with and a check on him is a good idea which is why in some of these republican leaning districts democrats have a chance of picking up seat. >> 22 day, guys. we will know in 22 days.
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moments ago the president just commented on the disappearance of saudi journalist jamal khashoggi. we'll have new information on that story coming up next. your typical bank. capital one is anything but typical. that's why we designed capital one cafes. you can get savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums. and one of america's best savings rates. to top it off, you can open one from anywhere in 5 minutes. this isn't a typical bank. this is banking reimagined. what's in your wallet? our because of smoking.ital. but we still had to have a cigarette. had to. but then, we were like.
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asked about these reports and he did not offer a confirmation. >> we'll see. i heard the report but nobody knows if it's an official report. so far it's just the rumor of report coming out. >> earlier today the president suggested rogue killers are responsible for what happened to khashoggi. so far he has been reluctant to punish saudi arabia with retribution like, i don't know, cutting arms sales. >> what i don't want to do, boeing, lockheed, all these companies, i don't want to hurt jobs. i don't want to lose an order like that. there are other ways of punishing to use a word that's a pretty harsh word. >> you wrote a piece over the weekend about prince salman. if a police murders a journalist, that's not a hiccup.
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shane harris who has been following this story. the president, nick, has been as we said reluctant to do anything too harsh on saudi arabia. there's talk about how he is saying that there's going to be something very strong will happen if he finds out it's true, but the strongest to think of it cutting back on this arms dale which donald trump is also mischaracterizing. >> that's right. look, i think it was pathetic the way we enabled the saudi government and the crown prince before this happened and led him to believe that he could get away with almost anything and it's not just the administration. he's got plenty of company in the u.s. i think after the murder of jamal, then it's pathetic that we're not -- he's unwilling to talk about curbing weapon sales, about expelling ambassadors, even about keeping our treasury secretary from going to riyadh.
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this is such a breach of international norms and the idea that saudi arabia may set up a fall guy to claim this is some kind of rogue operation, this is like o.j. simpson looking for the killer. >> it seems odd because they've been denying it repeatedly. if the reports are true they're going to try and find a way to confirm it, that would be interesting. i'd wonder if there's any consequences for them, out right denying it and then confirming it. it's also important to know what the evidence shows so far. what we know is that jamal khashoggi is on surveillance video, shane, walking into the saudi consolate in turkey. there is no surveillance video of him walking out. nbc news is reporting that he looked at his text messages before he got into the saudi consulate. there's a read receipt. once he is in there, he's not seen a single text message. the evidence we know of we can confirm is right there. the president presumably has access to a lot more intelligence than any of us do
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and today he threw out rogue actors. i assume if there was any evidence of rogue actors, he'd offer it after he said that. >> or he might not. i mean, it's not entirely clear to me why he suddenly is coming up with this rogue killers, rogue actors mind. >> unless he's making it up. >> it's possibly the new rogue killer is the 400 pound man and we're verging from skepticism into denial like it has been with russia. it's also interesting he says that and we're now hearing reports that the saudis may be about to describe something that looks a lot like rogue operation and the of course the president did talk to king salman this morning not long before he went out on the white house lawn and made the comment about rogue killers. you mentioned the evidence that there is from the texts, from the surveillance cameras. it's been our reporting as well that the turks have told the americans, have told american intelligence officials they have audio recording and it's my
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understanding from talking to some sources today that i think that that's a view that the united states probably is prepared to believe that the turks have that. it's not clear that they've handed anything over. so now we're in this interesting point where the turks may have some kind of more definitive information about what happened inside the consulate. it's not entirely clear they've sent that over to the americans, so if the americans can independently try to corroborate it, but now the president is going out and offering a theory about what happened while we're getting reports of a saudi theory about to emerge. it's a mess really. we haven't really seen as a definitive answer from any side about what happened to this journalist. >> but this falls into a pattern of the way that donald trump embraces dictators. the way he embraces leaders who have histories of very severe human rights violations. vladimir putin, which he acknowledged in the "60 minutes" interview, kim jong-un, which he was forced to acknowledge last night when lesley stahl
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presented him with a list of things he did, and now we have mbs. it's no secret there's some very serious human rights violations in saudi arabia. >> impunity has consequences. you let leaders know they can do worse. i think that's what happened in the case of mbs. my theory is that right now it may well be in the interest of saudi arabia, of turkey and the u.s. to agree on some kind of a fall guy who did this. >> why? >> to protect saudi arabia. to protect the crown prince. certainly in saudi arabia's interest to fine some fall guy. >> why would it be in turkey's interest given how strong turkey has been in saying this is saudi arabia's fault. >> because turkey doesn't want to rupp puture relations with s arabia. if they can find some face saving way that yes, there was a killing, it happened in the consulate, but that it wasn't necessarily mbs. if they can prevent that rupture, i think erdogan would welcome that and i think trump would welcome that.
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and yet it just flies in the face of everything we know. this wasn't a rogue operation. the second plane left saudi arabia too soon for them to have known that khashoggi had died. so what we have is a crown prince who got away with provoking a crisis with qatar, who got away with kidnapping the lebanese prime minister, and got away with starting 8 million yemen and he thought he could get away with killing a prominent journalist and it looks like he may indeed. >> the crown prince who's billed himself as a progressive in the saudi arabian sense, a moderator in the saudi arabian sense. >> he snookered us. she snookered the trump administration. he also snookered an awful lot of americans. he talked about the arms deal. he promised $110 billion in arms buys. it isn't anything close to that. >>'s promissory notes saying at
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some point he might buy the arms and it might be 2032. >> that's right. but it's not -- you know, it's certainly not money on the table and there were a lot of people who wanted a middle east peace deal and many people wanted that. >> the president didn't bring up middle east peace when he was talking about why he would be reluctant to punish saudi arabia. he brought up the arms deal. but when you're looking at the larger role of saudi arabia and middle east peace, there's a lot of coordinates about jared kushner's relationship with mbs, the crown prince and what he was hoping he would do for jared kushner for his middle east peace plan, his plan between -- for peace between the israelis and the palestinians. >> that's right. mohamed bin salman and jared kushner, they are sort of where the relationship right now between the u.s. and the saudis on the senior policy level, where that meets. jared kushner really kind of put all of his chips on mohamed bin
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salman and spent a lot of time trying to persuade security officials he is someone they can trust and deal with. that runs counter to conversations i've been having since before salman became the crown prince with officials who eyed him wearily. they saw his rise to power as something swift, quite ruthless and believed jared kushner was naive to be trusting this person. when you throw in to the mix potential business conflicts of interest between kushner companies and the trump organization, that causes profound anxiety i think within the national security community about why it is that the senior adviser to the president continues to have this relationship with the crown prince that nobody with any experience in the government and this region thinks is a good idea. >> i could say the same about donald trump's relationship with vladimir putin too i guess. shane harris, thank you very much. nick, always good to see you. thank you. ahead, senator elizabeth
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doctors to your favorite charity paid for by trump if you take the test and it shows you're an indian. and let's see what she does. >> well, today we saw what senator elizabeth warren did a little more than three month after president trump offered her that challenge and two years before election day 2020. warren took a dna test the results of which seemed to back up her claim to have native american heritage, a claim the president and other republicans have questioned. so how did the president take today's news? >> i have no -- who cares? who cares. >> you said you'd pay $1 million to charity. >> i didn't say that. you better read it again. >> he did say that. we just heard him say it. oh, here's what elizabeth warren tweeted back. having some memory problems? should we call for a doctor? here's something you won't forget, mr. president. you're the least popular president in modern history and
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your allies will go down hard in the midterm elections. 22 days. tick tock, tick tock. her moves may be less about trolling the president than actually challenging him. she's already said to be looking into a 2020 presidential run that not out of the question. with me you on, "the boston globe" national political reporter who broke today's story about elizabeth warren's dna test. the panel is back. elizabeth, the timing of this. a lot of people are going to question, the president just said he didn't care. he just commented on it again. let's take a listen to that. i guess we didn't hear that sound bite as we expected to hear it. i was waiting for it. so why today? why now? >> look, i think what lauren's likely trying to do here is answer a lot of the lingering
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questions that have been out there about her candidacy before she does her hard look at what she's going to run for president. i kind of think she's been trying to get a lot of this stuff out of the way before the midterms are over. before her own reelection is over so she can move on to a different phase. this isn't something she wants to be talking about. i think she wants it out there. she's done it. she wants to settle the question and be able to move on. in doing so she's showing a different approach than hillary clinton took when similar types of persistent issues came up about her. the clinton approach is to really hunker down and warren, we'll see how it works s trying a different approach, which is awfully transparent if you're shag t sharing the results of your dna test. >> let's play the sound bite. we were able to give it. >> she owes the country an apology. what's the percentage? one, one thousandth? when you have the percentage, tell me what it is. >> what about the money you told her you would -- >> you mean, if she gets the
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nomination in the debate where i was going to have her test sed? i'll only do it if i can test her personally. that will not be something i enjoy doing. >> he's changing the rules in the middle of the game. that's not what he said on the presidential trail the other day. in terms of how much native american she is, the testing according to the reporting that you guys did over there at the "boston globe" is between 1/164th and 1/124th. i'm seeing a lot of memes on line. 1120th or something. there's that. don junior a makiis making fun . is this enough native american to push spaiback on the preside mocking? it's a weird request to ask but
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i'm asking. >> the notion which i think is correct which is that she wants to move past all this, but no one was ever going to make her take a dna test. that was a bizarre choice on her part and i think it's reflective of something we've been seeing from her that was evidenced in a new york magazine pro tile file is she's not comfortable with the democratic electorate. she's talking about how she's proud of her twitter takedowns of donald trump. she's talking about how she was shocked into a new relationship with feminism and described her trials and travails as a woman trying to navigate the environment that she was in and public policy. i don't think that's her. i think that's what she thinks she has to be. but that's not who she is. >> as a democrat at this table -- >> and a feminist. >> does noah have it right? >> no. but i just want to push back on the first question you asked which is this enough native
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american. >> it's a terrible question to ask, but the way that don junior and others are using it is to say that's a laughable amount of native american. >> i have an answer for this entire segment which is read a book. if you do not know that many of the people and vast majority of the people who are from oklahoma they have some part native. if you'd know anything about the great migration or american history, you would know that. not you specifically, but the people who make this an attack line. they literally have not read a book. that's one piece. the second piece, though, about her trying to reach out to feminism, that actually is an intergenerational conversation. there is a disconnect between younger feminists like me and the feminists of the generation of elizabeth warren. so that bridging is necessary. i do think that she is working to do that not just by having her war room reaching out to specific democratic candidates that are running as was reported
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this weekend but also reaching out to young women and bringing in young women staff members who can speak to the generation that i'm coming from that is disconnected in some way to the boomer generation or the generation of elizabeth warren. i think that -- bridging that gap will absolutely build a coalition that she can go into the primary with and i think make a really solid case for why she's the progressive champion that could bring the democratic coalition together. >> so i'm going to make a slightly different argument and just touching on the native american discussion. i think what elizabeth warren is trying to do is show that she can get in trump's face and she can play his game with him. she's gambling that is what the democratic electorate is looking for. we don't know what they're looking for. we know there are probably going to be several dozen democrats who get into the 2020 nomination battle. there's a division among many democrats to sort of don't do it trump's way and be earnest and policy focused and quiet and
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demur or should you play his game right the way that he plays it. she's clearly experimenting with that, that she can do it, she can tweet right back at him is the profile you discussed. that's the way she gets attention because he gives her attention and she gets attention. we'll see how long this lasts, but this is the short term play. >> dwe did hear from the progressive base. we have some evidence that they absolutely do want democrats to fight back. they want democrats to tweet less. they want democrats to go in front of a camera and actually speak to the base directly, so i do think that she is speaking to some of the things that we have heard all throughout my tenure post election about the fact that democrats need to stand up and fight back against trump in a much more prolific way than just sending a signal. >> i will throw that back out there. what i heard from voters on the road all last week was not i want somebody fighting back. it was i want someone to take care of my health care. i wonder how big the conversation is about pushback
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about trump or about hey, listen, i want someone who talk about my health care. i want the democrats to be on the campaign trail talking about my health care. i want the republicans out there talking about my health care. >> the interaction between those two issues, because fighting back against donald trump is talking about someone's health care because he is trying to dismantle it. >> what i am saying is what i would hear is not fight against donald trump. what i would hear specifically is health care. i just don't know if it's being lumped in together in that way as bradley as progressive -- >> sure. the base is one way and folks on the road is another. >> it's always good to get outside and talk to people. >> sure. annie, you're too far away from us. judge come join us at the table sometime. don't go anywhere. in the meantime, we will be right back. i had a pe blood clot in my lung.
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jared kushner could have not paid income tax for years, that's according to this new "new york times" reporting. it does come on the heels of that incredible report by "the times" about the president and his family and how they skirted the tax law and maybe used outright fraud to avoid paying taxes. this is not saying that the kushners violated any laws or is fraudulent but is saying he exploited well-known tax loopholes for real estate investors. it's weedy but how much does it matter that the president and his family seem to be able to avoid paying taxes when regular folks like you and me and everyone out there presumably have to pay income taxes? >> no, it's really annoying but it's also one of those controversies that americans fully can understand because we know we have to pay our taxes and we may not like it when all those deductions are on our checkstub but we know that's our obligation as a scitizen and i think wealthy folks getting away with loopholes that may be
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illegal, but certainly don't look good, particularly under their scrutiny of the political lens, i think that's something that voters can definitely connect with. additionally, i think it's important to focus in on the taxes and the money laundering aspect of all of these stories because in the end i think that that's where this is going. steve bannon is famously quoted in "fire and fury" andrews weitzman, he prosecuted all -- >> white collar crime. >> exactly. they may be a drop in the bucket. it's unfortunate the trump story ended up coming out and by the end of the week we were not talking about it but it does not mean bob mueller isn't focused on it. >> are democrats focused enough -- >> one of the messages that trump and republicans are talking a lot about on the campaign trail is how -- if
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democrats take control of the house it's all going to be investigations and subpoenas and it's just going to be this dredgerry of hauling people up before congress and throwing the book at them. that's a turnoff for many voters so what i would say to that is everything that young mr. kushner did, if it was legal and before he was a white house official, that can be fine for mueller. it's not a good campaign discussion for democrats. if they want to look into what trump and his family -- >> what if they -- >> that's different. >> what if they frame it in the way that donald trump rewrote the tax law, passed the tax law and there's some major loopholes that are exaggerated in that tax law to help real estate investors. >> well, exactly. if he and his family have used the white house in order to further financial gain for themselves while in the white house that's legitimate. >> i think it's entirely appropriate for democrats to be subpoenaing his tax records and establish that you cannot sit in the white house without releasing your tax records to the public. that's what --
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>> why haven't republicans done that? >> they don't want to see what's in them. based on what we've scene from "the new york times" story we kind of know what's in them and he made up this audit story and wasn't being truthful and republicans will benefit from establishing the precedent that you cannot occupy that desk without releasing your taxes to the public because they will utilize that in the future against a democrat. >> again, this huge story about donald trump and his taxes comes out two weeks ago, it's buried with the kavanaugh news. when i was on the road it's also one of those things that people haven't even heard of. they haven't even heard of that story which makes me wonder if you push through with this idea that the president should be held accountable, there should be transparency, we should as a country know if he's trying to cushion his own wealth if he's making foreign investment deals or foreign policy decisions based on what he has in his bank account, why aren't democrats hitting that hard enough to make sure that everybody knows it when they're on the campaign
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trail? >> pretty hard in 2016 and only david fearenthold took off with that and there was opposition research into his dealings that said what you're talking about but it's not something that resonated with voters because he was saying stuff on the campaign trail and it was about emails and the latest controversy of what he's saying. >> democrats didn't simplify the message and say he's cheating you instead of going after him for every single outrageous thing he said. it was hard to keep up. >> sure, but he was calling her crooked hillary. >> i don't think this will have an effect. >> guys, it's been a day. happy monday, everyone. we will be right back. ways to lose stubborn belly fat.
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then do not miss "mtp daily" from las vegas on thursday. "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. >> i don't have a lot of time to awkward toss right now but as you know i'd like to you join me on "the beat" this hour. >> i'm walking over. >> you're walking right now? >> yes. if only we had a wide shot -- >> oh, stay with her. can they stay -- >> i'm attached to the chair. i can't go anywhere. >> we've all been there. you made it awkward somehow. >> i did. i tried. hi. >> i'll see you soon. >> bye. >> as you've just heard if you're watching the show katy tur is on "the beat" tonight. we'll talk about trump granting this rare "60 minutes" interview. that's what she is going to discuss with me including why trump used that sit-down to twice insist he's, quote, not a baby. a trend for trump later on this hour. also we'll talk about this painting hanging in trump's white house and for a deeper historical take i'm thrilled to tell you about the story and doris kearns goodwin will

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