which can be life-threatening. a symptom of a problem, not the stop chantix and get help right away if you have any of these. actual problem. tell your healthcare provider if you've had depression political tribalism is filling a void as people feel less or other mental health problems. connected to their neighbors and decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. that's correlated with happiness, not your political use caution when driving or operating machinery. tribe. >> what do you make historically the most common side effect is nausea. of the 19th century, because i can't tell you how good it feels this is something that many to have smoking behind me. media historians will say to me. talk to your doctor about chantix. they'll say, you know what, we were pretty polarized in the 19th century. it took a civil war -- we actually had a hot civil war. you had -- part of it was the my thanks to david jolly, expansion of the printing press elise jordan, betsy woodruff. to every corner and people could just print anything. "mtp daily" starts right now. sound familiar to where we are hi, chuck. today. and it created these -- you had >> hello, nicolle. tribal newspapers at the time. >> i'm sorry for your 18 seconds. but we got through that. >> no worries, i'll bill you >> true. later. it's in the mail. >> they always do. >> how would you explain how we thank you, nicolle. got through that period and got to a better place, because my if it's tuesday, phoenix is guess is the answer is probably rising, but our national discourse is plummeting. similar to today. >> great question, chuck, and thank you for letting me go full nerd. i didn't know we were going to get into this. i want to be clear, "them" is at

least 50% constructive. good evening. it's about how we solve this. i'm chuck todd on the road live why you want to take your in phoenix, arizona, where we smartphone off your dinner table so you don't send all the wrong are getting ready to kick off signals to your kids, that you some special coverage here at don't actually want to be there "mtp daily." rooted with them. it officially begins tomorrow. so "them" is 50% constructive. it's our meet the midterms road trip. bring you the best of it both during the week and on sunday. i spend a lot of time on what you're talking about, the last we'll have live shows from some of the hottest midterm 200 years of media history. battlegrounds in the country right here in arizona, nevada, the yellow journalism phase was florida and texas. we'll be talking to voters, tribal press, but because it was candidates and local leaders about what really matters to local, what ended up happening, them in these historic midterms we didn't know national media at that time. what ended up happening is you which are now ready for this had a whole bunch of bigotry just 21 days away. against people that weren't in your place, but in your place the national conversation has you thought people were a part been uprooted. of your same tribe so you felt things today veered into a truly like there was a we. we were in it locally together. trumpian realm of absurdity and again, lots of broken stuff about that phase in history. but what ended up happening with obscene tee which is how this the rise of national media in president likes it. the middle third of this century is we ended up with a bunch of after senator warren released the results of a dna test, the shared american facts and we're going back to a phase where you president attacked her as a phony and a total fraud. can have different facts he alluded to the fact that the depending on your ideology. the problem is you're not connected to place anymore. results say she is between 1/64 on social media you often only

hear from people that believe and 1/1,000th native american. the exact same things you do and say everybody else are the bad guys. which doesn't seem to square as let's find good versus evil against people we disagree with her choice to identify herself on politics. as native american when she was so you have a massive decline of a professor. local connection and local friendship. she even produced a slick video >> the biggest thing seems to be about it, which led to a the local newspaper. i'm curious how many of your scathing rebuke from the cherokee nation. it's also led to some hand neighbors still get "the lincoln journal star" delivered to them? wringing from some democrats who want the party to stay focused do they even deliver every day? on midterms. that arguably got tougher >> they still do. the "omaha world herald" are our because senator warren fired back calling him a liar and a racist name caller. speaking of name calling, then dailies. i live in fremont, 25,000 person the president called stephanie clifford, aka stormy daniels, farm town. we still have a daily as well. quote, horseface. husker sports coverage is the main reason people subscribe to the presidential rhetoric the "omaha world herald." escalated from there. when i graduated high school in stormy daniels responded with an 1990, i think 35% of nebraska x-rated tweet about the households subscribed to "the president's shortcomings, world herald." closing with game on, tiny. today i think it's only 10% to then her lawyer/2020 wannabe 15% so the decline of local journalism does say something with the decline of local we. and i named this book "them"

ripped into mr. turump as a because we need to recover a we. disgusting misogynist, and most of that we isn't going to be found in politics, it's going to be found in your neighborhood. >> i understand that, but embarrassment. political leaders have to be role models. liar. we are 21 days to the midterms and this president is a role and seeing some elected leaders model but not necessarily one seemingly bending to the that i'm guessing you would want president's will by following your kids or my kids to follow him into the muck. when it comes to how to deal because if you want to figure with people you disagree with, out who thinks they benefit from this kind of environment, ask for instance. >> you don't call women yourself who created it? horseface. let's bring in tonight's panel. that's not the right move, right? that's not the way men act. joins me from washington, so there's a lot that should be kimberly atkins, bill kristol done differently in our national political discourse, but donald and ruth marcus is a "washington trump can't solve this problem because donald trump didn't create this problem. post" columnist and deputy politics can't solve this problem because politics didn't create this problem. politics are important, but editorial page editor. politics should be about coming up with a cost effective bill, i'm going to start with infrastructure bill. you. politics shouldn't be the place when this whole idea of donald where we look to find good and trump -- does donald trump change or do people change to evil and grand meaning. >> but our politics is rewarding become him, i guess? it. that's what i think is -- the it seems to me that whether it's incentive -- i'm with you, but the incentive structure tells elizabeth warren feeling the you something else, does it not? need to respond to michael >> yeah, you're right.

avenatti to insert the name of right now anti-tribe, the things any other democrat, eric holder we're against, the reason this last week, folks have decided is happening in politics is becoming trump is better than because there's not enough we fighting trump. shared tribe about the stuff >> yeah, you have to sort of you're for. we know what makes people happy. become trump to fight him, which we know this philosophically and i think is a mistake actually politically, but easy for me to theologically but now we know it in sociology too. you're happy if you have a tight say, i'm not out there. people are responsible for their nuclear family. own actions so no one should use you're happy if you have three donald trump as an excuse, whether you're a politician or or four deep long-term some other kind of public friendships. you're happy if you have figure. but i do think my colleague put meaningful work and co-workers. you're happy if you have a worship community. it this way. the digital revolution is undermining those things. trump corrupt, trump isn't we have half as many friends in corrupt. it's easy to degrade discourse america as we did 27 years ago in the literature. we had 3.2 friends per american and tell others i have to go there. you look up and everyone is in 1990. there or a lot of people are 1.8 friends today. the consequences of that are there. i have a slightly contrarian pretty dramatic and a lot of view. lonely people are looking to maybe this is pie in the sky washington to solve their problem or looking to social good government wishfulness. i think some of the politicians media to find a tribe of who running around the country this they can have the common year are running pretty, you experience of hating together. know, impressive campaigns, that's not going to fulfill you. issue focused campaigns, trying while washington needs to do a better job, we also need to be a little bit above the -- americans to recognize we're

not above the fray but willing going to build new habits for to be bipartisan and gentlemenly rootedness, even though technology is enabling us to be or gentlewomanly. rootless. your late 19th century analog i saw clips from a debate with fits well. urbanization, industrialization david brat and i think they're had a big lonely moment that's a going to win some of these people and maybe that's a bit of lot like our lonely moment now. a lesson that i'm not sure we'll get through it, but we'll getting empty mud with trump helps you. get through it with new habits. >> i want to play a clip from >> but senator, facebook tells right here in arizona from last me i have so many more friends night's senate debate, because than you just said. you could argue that until i say that rhetorically. martha mcsally embraced more of the trumpian style, she was >> so do i, let's do it again. losing. she's embraced more of the >> i'd like to maybe see you on trumpian style and this thing is a coin flip now. my podcast where we have an even longer conversation about this. let me play this clip and get senator ben sasse, good luck kimberly and ruth to respond on with the book. it's an important read, i hope the other side. >> what came out last week, cnn people take the time to do it. >> thanks, chuck. up ahead, senator heidi reported that in 2003 when she was on the radio, you said it heitkamp's mea culpa at a very was okay for americans to join inopportune time. portune time the taliban to fight against us. okay. you said you had no problem with [ buttons clicking ] that. >> we're running out of time [ camera shutter clicks ] so, now that you have a house, you can use homequote explorer. but -- >> i want to ask if you're going quiet. i'm blasting my quads. to apologize to the veterans and me to say it's okay to commit janice, look. treason. >> martha has chosen to run a i'm in a meeting.

-janice, look. -[ chuckles ] campaign like the one you're -look, look. -i'm looking. it's easy. you just answer some simple questions online, seeing where she's engaging in and you get coverage options to choose from. ridiculous attacks and smearing my campaign. you're ruining my workout. she's just trying to cut, cut, cut and not share the full cycling is my passion. picture. the truth is that i've always you're ruining my workout. fought for arizona and i have been proud to serve our state in digital transformation actually what does ithappen?o make elected office for over 13 do you just flip a switch... and presto your business is magically transformed? years. >> kimberly and ruth, what's interesting about this senate not quite. race to me is that it epitomizes it takes a ground-breaking company like dell technologies. this back and forth bill and i just had. one is trying a trumpian way and a family of seven technology leaders working behind the one is trying, no, no, no, no, scenes to make the impossible... no, i want to be the moderate in the middle there. reality. what are we seeing, kimberly? for instance, we're helping to give cars the power to read >> i think we've been seeing your mind from anywhere. this in these local races, whether it's congressional ♪ races, gubernatorial races, since 2016 now with candidates we're helping up to 40% of the nation's donated blood supply... trying the trumpian way versus to be redirected to the areas and people that need it most. their opponents with varying results, right. it hasn't always been happening and we're even developing technology to create a whole new down ticket the way that it will vision for the blind. probably happen in 2020. i think those are two separate so while you might not see what we're doing...

things. i think that gets to the heart what we're doing is changing the way we all see the world. of the criticism by democrats of senator warren coming out with magic can't make digital transformation happen... this seemingly unofficial but we can. kickoff of her presidential campaign now before the midterms let's make it real. are over. the way she battles donald trump is going to be very different from the way you see a lot of other local races, many of which, most of which, i think, are about things like jobs, in tonight's meet the education, housing, and that the midterms, another major setback two messages are really getting for perhaps the most endangered in the way, or that's what senate incumbent there is, democrats are really afraid of. democrat heidi heitkamp. >> ruth? the north dakota senator is now >> and, chuck, you know, it may apologizing for misidentifying some women as survivors of be possible to run effectively domestic or sexual violence in a against mini trump if you have a trump wannabe candidate, so i reechb recent ad. that ad ran in a north dakota listened to that arizona debate newspaper. heitkamp said some of the women last night. but i think the real challenge listed had not given their permission to be included or is something that kimberly just pointed out, which is we just weren't victims. >> this was a major mistake on see time and again, and we our campaign's part, and i can't talked about this on the show last week, when you're running say i'm sorry enough. against the real thing, which is unfiltered, unabashed, i am so, so sorry that this happened.

unrestrained trump, and he goes >> heitkamp trailed cramer by 12 low and you try to go right back points in a recent fox news poll at him, it just seems to keep on and that was conducted before she voted against brett dragging everybody down and we kavanaugh's confirmation. saw it in the primaries with heitkamp's re-election hopes marco rubio, we saw difficulty have been appearing dimmer of late in a state donald trump won running against him in the by more than 35 points two years general election. and now elizabeth warren is in ago. throw in a mistake like this and that same kind of swamp, i it could make something that seems nearly impossible probably guess, of trying to outtrump trump. >> well, it wasn't even impossible. more "mtp daily" after the break. trying -- how about the fact, i wanna keep doing what i love, bill, that she thought she had to respond to this? doesn't that just hand trump all the power? i mean didn't that just tell you something about her presidential -- her presidential campaign going forward? >> yeah, she put her presidential aspirations ahead of the party. she wanted to get this out of the way three weeks before the midterms. she has a real problem, she really did apparently take advantage of a claim to be a native american that was based that's the retirement plan. on rather little evidence. with my annuity, i know there is a guarantee.

i think it's fair to say. she certainly didn't correct it it's for my family, its for my self, when she was listed as one in its for my future. annuities can provide protected income for life. various law professor directo directories and harvard claimed learn more at retire your risk dot org. she was one for affirmative action purposes and so forth. i think she'll pay a surprisingly high price for this. i originally thought who cares, this is ridiculous, but i just think it shows that she did it earlier and then she did it now and i don't think it's going to matter much in the midterm election but this is a pretty important election, especially if you're a democrat or liberal who think trump is damaging this country. and this distraction between hillary clinton feeling the need to give tv interviews, why, out of the blue, when she's clearly going to get asked about her husband and bringing that all up and then elizabeth warren doing that. having said that, i still think this could be one of the pauses the republicans had a bit of a should happen everydred five hundred years, right? comeback that sometimes happens in these wave elections. fact is, there have been twenty-six in the last decade.

i remember democrats had a comeback two or three weeks out and then it stalls out and the allstate is adapting. wave reasserts itself. with drones to assess home damage sooner. i wouldn't be surprised if and if a flying object damages your car, democrats end up doing awfully you can snap a photo and get your claim processed in hours, well despite elizabeth warren and hillary clinton. >> go ahead, ruth. not days. >> well, there's one question plus, allstate can pay your claim in minutes. about the timing here that i think is a real legitimate question about whether this is now that you know the truth... helpful to the democrats as a are you in good hands? party versus whether it's helpful to elizabeth warren to do it now. i do think i just want to say that i think bill slightly overstated the background of elizabeth warren and the degree to which she relied on or time now for "the lid." benefited from native american the panel is back, kimberly atkins, bill kristol, ruth heritage. and you -- since i called out bill there, you called me on marcus. something that i actually didn't bill, you -- i'll let you kick say very well, chuck, which is this off because you seem to hint at it. it wasn't that she outtrumped do you believe this is a -- we trump, it's that she got sucked into responding to trump. are in a -- just a moment of and you know, we did see president obama respond to trump sort of republican -- a dead cat very effectively, if it was a bounce for the republicans and this is just -- you know, it little bit pathetic that he had

to do that on the birthers, but feels better now because voters are engaged and you're seeing we all knew he was born in it, or is this a real comeback? hawaii and then he proved to the what are you looking for to determine which this is? you lo satisfaction of anybody with a determine which this is? willingness to be rational that >> i'll give you the courageous he was born in hawaii. answer, which is, i don't know. i think one of the problems with and both are possible. this elizabeth warren response >> good! there's nothing wrong with this is, sure, i can accept that her answer. in '94 and 2010, this is the two family lore was that she had first term midterms that were native american heritage, but waves and the only two this is -- you know, it's first-term midterms that were awfully thin so i'm not sure the waves in recent times, this evidence was really quite as happened. and i remember '94 very well because i was involved in that conclusive as she seemed to and seeing a lot of day-to-day tracking polls. expect -- landed with the early october, there was this moment, bill clinton was out on conclusive thud of the stump, the economy was convincingness that she turning up, some thought expected. >> let me ask you this, democratic incumbents looked kimberly, and i would like like they were stabilizing, a everybody to weigh in on this. little comeback in some of the why are we just -- why is the congressional races, and it did president's horseface comment turn out to be a dead cat bounce or a bear market rally, and the feel like it's just being last two weeks, the wave really shrugged away like -- let me crashed and was huge. and 2010 had the same thing for play lindsey graham for you. the republicans, and i don't it sort of epitomizes, i think, know whether this will happen collective washington's reaction this time. i, you know, maybe it will to the president personally stabilize where it is and insulting a private citizen. republicans will pick up a

take a listen. senate seat or two, the >> i don't think that helps move democrats will pick up 25 or 30 house seats. but my instinct, somehow is that the ball at all. i mean you've got to remember this is temporary and that the he's been sued by avenatti and a wave resumes, the gender gap is bunch of people, so he's -- he massive, the democrats have to knows he's a street fighter, but expand the electorate. you could have lost a lot of it's also the president. money betting on the ability to and i just don't think this elevates him. expand midterm electorates in i don't think it does anything the past. but some of the data i've seen, good for the country. i don't want know what you've seen, chuck, and others have >> yeah, i mean -- suggest, does suggest that they >> he won't pay a price for might really be doing it in some this. of these states and some of >> he won't. at least senator graham said these congressional districts in ways that could put them over that much. he's not saying so much that the top. >> look, i have data that is he'll stop getting invited to golf games with the president, actually contradictory. we've got some new updated voter but that's better than the usual response that we get from other folks like speaker ryan who registration data. between november 2016 and now, pretends that he doesn't see or new voter registrations or voter hear anything that the president says. i think it's twofold. registration flips broke this way. i think the shrug is one part, a 40% re-registered or registered as democrats, 28% republican, realization in washington and 32% other or independent. everywhere else that the between the period of november president is not going to change. 2014 and november 2016, an he's been doing this since the beginning. identical split. he's been doing this since now, obviously, over time, this before he was a presidential is not good news for the candidate and he has shown no republicans, because still more inkling to change. people are registered -- newly two, his support, his core

registering at a faster rate as support, has so inelastic that i democrats. but there's also no spike, think republicans now believe kimberly atkins, on this. they have to turn the other and for instance, if you look at cheek to it for fear of -- just some statewide data, republicans have the advantage over to protect their own political democrats and new registrations, for instance, in tennessee. so there is some contradictory backsides. so i think that's why the information out there. >> there's contradictory president has this -- feels like he has the ability to say these information, there's a lot of things. >> they are paying a big price. changes involving voter registration rules and other >> bob dole, where's the things that that a lot of outrage, remember that in '96? democrats see as voter >> it would be nice if there suppression. new restrictions on were more outrage. there's a 30-point gender gap in registration, on i.d., and other things that could factor into some districts. they're going to lose the house, that. there's a lot happening on the i believe, in a situation where it's gerrymandered so they only ground, but i think in terms of need to be within 7 points in enthusiasm, it's hard to see from that some big push one way terms of the total votes to hold the house. or another. i think in arizona, i haven't remember, a week ago, when looked today and you're on top of it today, kyrsten sinema has taylor swift was going to save the democratic party with voter got to be saying is my opponent registrations, i don't think going to denounce this or not? that that's actually happening. she's the great supporter of but i think you're right. i think what we may see, we may president trump, kyrsten sinema not see a big blue wave in three will say. is this an appropriate way to weeks, and i think the

talk about women or anyone? republicans feel, at least some i don't quite buy the argument republicans i talk to, feel there's no price to be paid for pretty good about the short game this. >> ruth, last word. >> i'd just like to say that we they're playing, but i think bill the right. don't expect anything better i think in the long-term, it's from this president, but the really unsustainable and those notion that that was the best that lindsey graham could do and registration numbers show that, that the republican is a that we're supposed to feel shrinking party appealing to a somehow grateful that he managed shrinking part of the electorate and i don't know how much longer to endanger the potentiality of they can go on like that. >> ruth, the reason why there is his next golf game by saying it some optimism among republicans didn't elevate the debate, come is that red has gotten redder. on, i'm with senator dole. that doesn't mean that purple where's the outrage? >> i'm not saying that was the right thing to do, i'm just has gotten redder or blue has saying that that's clearly his gotten redder, and here's the calculation. >> and he wants to be secretary best two examples we can show of defense, not just play golf you. with the president. one shows ted cruz with an >> oh, i believe he wants to be a senator for life, but i'll eight-point lead over 50%. not an insignificant lead there. make that bet with you off and then there's the minnesota camera some day, mr. kristol. eighth congressional district, which is actually a kimberly, bill and ruth, you guys are sticking with me for democratic-held seat, but it's a the entire hour. my apologies for that. seat that is moving towards the up ahead, new developments republicans and has been and the in the saudi journalist mystery. numbers there in that open seat the president has a new response suddenly double-digit now for to this growing controversy. the republicans. just examples, ruth, of

post-kavanaugh red getting it's america's most popular street name. redder. but allstate agents know that's where the similarity stops. >> well, red does get redder and red and blue see the same events if you're on park street in reno, nevada, in completely opposite ways. the high winds of the washoe zephyr could damage your siding. this is what you were talking about with senator sasse. and that's very different than living on park ave in sheboygan, but as red stays red and can't wisconsin, where ice dams could cause water damage. even take in a blue argument and but no matter what park you live on, one vice versa, so all of the work of 10,000 local allstate agents knows yours. and, you know, there's a turnout now that you know the truth, model, but there's also a swing are you in good hands? voter question, and so, does it help for the red team to have introducing zero account fees for brokerage accounts. their captain, the president, in and zero minimums to open an account. a situation where, look, at fidelity, those zeros really add up. ♪ maybe i'll win, saved by zero ♪ african-americans are already alienated. hispanic, latino voters are already alienated. so you have these college-educated women up for replace one meal or snack a day with glucerna... grabs, already offended by what the president has had to say. made with carbsteady to help manage blood sugar... so you're going to come out this close to the election and use ...and end the day with a smile. the phrase "horse face" to glucerna®. everyday progress. describe the woman who you, all the evidence would suggest, wasn't so horse facie enough that you didn't sleep with her,

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i thank you for hosting me. >> of course. we have faced a lot of challenges together in the past. >> absolutely. >> quite the photo op for the saudi crown prince. and then there's this tweet from the president in which he says he just spoke with the crown prince, who totally denied any knowledge of what took place in the turkish consulate. take a listen. >> it depends whether or not the king or the crown prince knew about it in my opinion. number one, what happened, but whether or not they knew about it. if they knew about it, that would be bad. >> as for the search for answers

about jamal khashoggi, despite well, in case you missed it, if you caught sunday's "60 speculation the saudis have not yet admitted that the minutes" interview with president trump, you might have noticed two things. "washington post" contributor one, the big jar of mostly pink was killed after entering the saudi consulate two weeks ago. starbursts sitting on the kre they have searched it for clues. d -- credenza, and two, that painting hanging on the back police found evidence that wall. it's a piece called "the khashoggi had been killed there. republican club." it shows the president and his with me is hallie jackson. the panel is also back. gop predecessors going all the way back to lincoln enjoying a hallie, let me start with you. guy's night out. the white house today providing thomas has made a democratic version, too. the artist was clearly thrilled quite the photo op for the crown to see his work actually on display in the west wing, prince by sending the secretary saying, a lot of times gifts of state and the president aren't really hung up. serving as spokesperson for the they're just pushed in a closet kingdom right now in both ways. somewhere. boy, truer words have never been is this the intent to try to spoken. we are "mtp daily" have an help saudi arabia clear their name? >> listen, it sure seems that exclusive look at the white house fan art that hasn't been hung. here's one we uncovered from the way, chuck, based on what we've back of a closet entitled, "the seen not just from president trump but from secretary pompeo son of maga." as well. you didn't like that one? striking in that photo op, the then there was this surrealist small talk on the jet lag and work, unlikely to make it in any the smiles. i've heard some optimism expressed to me that, hey, presidential library.

behind closed doors and officials here are careful to andy war heorhal would be proud. say this is a diplomatic-led effort right now, that's why all and then this one, kurcuriously the balls are in pompeo's court, but there's optimism behind closed doors pompeo is striking entitled "russian gothic." a much tougher tone. who knew that a souvenir from fewer smiles, more tough talk when it comes to what happened disney world could make it on to to jamal khashoggi, but there is the wall of the west wing. the question, listen, it is be sure to join us tomorrow live highly unlikely that pompeo will from phoenix. you get to see us, so big there. come back to the united states and tell the president, yep, the we're going to be there. "the beat with ari melber" saudis admitted to murdering this columnist and they say they're really sorry. that is not going to happen. starts right now. >> thank you, chuck todd. if there's a lot going on, let that's not a scenario anybody is me tell you what we'll get to a expecting right now. the idea it seems is to try to little later on "the beat." there are new leads in the give the saudis and the crown russia probe. prince some kind of cover for michael cohen talking to the feds for over 50 hours. then i'll do a fact check on the u.s. to repair this relationship. trurp's money promise blowing up as one person says to me, listen, there's no way that this in his phase and why deficit double talk could hurt him and relationship is going to end up the republicans in the midterms. and later, a very special guest ruptured permanently because each country needs the other as tonight, the iconic alice an ally simply too much. walker, the novelist and civil >> let me ask you this, the rights advocate who says there is a role for artists and president for some reason decided to tweet the following out. for the record i have no financial interests in saudi arabia and then parentheses, or russia for that matter.

any suggestion that i have is just more fake news, of which there is plenty. well, if he wants the facts, we can put them up here. in 1991 he sold his yacht to a saudi prince for $20 million. in 1995 that same saudi prince helped bail him out of that plaza hotel deal and in 2001 he sold the 45th floor of the trump world tower to the entire country. obviously plenty of business ties to the saudis on that front. but the sensitivity the white house must have here, and jared kushner's family business also has ties to the gulf states as well, does he not? >> and personal connections, as you know, between kushner and the royal family in saudi arabia. this is the president doing what the president often does, chuck, trying to insulate himself from criticism, particularly from the media. the president had no public events today. he had zero public things on his schedule where we saw him at all, where he held any meetings that we're aware of. which means based on his past history, he may have been watching television. he was very likely watching coverage of this all over television.

we know this is a president who likes to fight his own battles and throw his own punches. it seems like that's what he was trying to do preemptively there, although it's simply not accurate to say he doesn't have business ties. now, financial interests in saudi arabia, you could go and quibble on the semantics there, but the point is as you've laid out, he obviously has connections to people who have money in saudi. >> a ton of connections. ruth marcus, this is obviously very personal to "the washington post." this is as much a professional story for you to cover, and it's personal, so i can't imagine that confluence just personally dealing with this. what you've seen today, your reaction. >> well, thank you, chuck. it is personal to our newspaper and our section. jamal khashoggi is one of our columnists and we're so proud of what he wrote for us. and the reaction of the president and the secretary of state today just feels so

disappointing. the notion that this is, you know, some kind of rogue operation and we'll just engage in an effort to sweep it under the rug. i was really struck, as i listened to the president, by the echos actually of his dealings with vladimir putin and russia, right, where he says, well, i've asked him about the election interference and he really strongly denies it. he didn't quite go so far as to that he absolutely believed the saudi denials, but you can see the same line of reasoning coming forward. it's just from our point of view, we are not going to accept less than a full answer about what happened to jamal khashoggi and we're not going to accept less than full accountability for whoever is responsible for what may have happened to him. >> kimberly atkins, isn't this the president in a weird way doing unto others -- he always wants his denials believed, even when they're kind of absurd on

some things. and so in this case he treats fellow world leaders the same way. he goes out of his way to believe them because he wants to be believed? >> i don't know if that's the motivation or he believes the denials of those, that it's an advantage to him to believe their denials, whether they're political allies or they represent a potential senate seat or in this case representing the fact that he does not want to do what many members of congress, including many republicans, want him to do, to take a strong stand against saudi arabia, halt arms deals with them, impose sanctions, and whether or not his own personal financial dealings has anything to do with it. it seems like it's coming from that place. but in this case it's very much like -- actually it's even worse than the use of coarse language when you stand on the side of morality, and that's the point that senator marco rubio keeps making.

it doesn't matter how much mouoy these arms deals are worth, how much money do you pay for your moral compass as a nation. that's what this stands for in the face of clear human rights abuses and just, you know, hearing folks from "the post" and others who have worked with him, including ruth, it really brings that home. >> bill, i'm just struck, i cannot believe an american president would allow his secretary of state to be used as propaganda the way he was used today. that is the part of this that i am just dumbstruck by, that pompeo sat there next to the crown prince and gave him that moment. >> yeah, i guess i tweeted yesterday it was a mistake to send pompeo. if you have a problem with a government, you withdraw, you recall your ambassador. we don't have an ambassador there, but you don't send someone there. of course once you're there, you're going to be paying sort of -- being obsequious to the king. it's a terrible thing to see.

trump has done two things worth commenting on. one, he's sort of set up the saudi story. the king didn't know, the crown prince didn't know, some subordinates were out of control. he's almost telling them to say that and that would be acceptable to him, which is really astonishing. secondly, it's not just a moral question, although it is a moral question, but what signal does this send everywhere else in the world? between putin and xi and this murder by the saudi government of a permanent resident in the u.s., i just think dictators everywhere, especially in the middle east where they watch these things closely, what happens to each other so to speak, it's just very bad for the people in those countries, people who are within reach of dictators, and bad for us. bad for the united states. it's really weak. i mean if president obama from my point of view was weak in certain aspects of foreign policy, this is weaker than anything president obama did. >> bill, they could have had a sword dance. it could have been worse. at least we didn't have the sword dance. >> it is something that donald trump did campaign on, that he

was going to stay out of other countrie countries' business. >> then don't send pompeo. have a dignified silence, but this is worse. >> the decision to sending pompeo is one, you've got to think what's going through pompeo's head on that one. hallie jackson at the white house, i know a lot more to report on there, thanks very much. the panel, you guys are sticking with me. up ahead, how on earth did we get here? senator ben sasse on how our politics has gotten so divisive. . i landed. i saw my leg did not look right. i was just finishing a ride. i felt this awful pain in my chest. i had a pe blood clot in my lung. i was scared. i had a dvt blood clot. having one really puts you in danger of having another. my doctor and i chose xarelto®. xarelto®. to help keep me protected. xarelto® is a latest-generation blood thinner that's... proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt or pe blood clots from happening again. in clinical studies, almost 98% of patients on

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has, well, deteriorated, just take a look at today alone. a day where the president of the united states took to twitter to call a porn actress horseface. a senator and potential 2020 rival, elizabeth warren, pocahontas. meanwhile nebraska republican senator, ben sasse, is out with a new book, "them, why we hate eachor and how we heal." he argues americans are more connected than ever thanks to technology and also more lonely and unfulfilled. that loss of community is fueling the polarization in our politics. he writes in his book, we are in a period of unprecedented upheaval. community is collapsing, anxiety is building, and we're distracting ourselves with artificial political hate reds. that can't endure. and if it does, america won't. senator ben sasse joins me now. senator, i don't know what you could be writing about these days. you just take a look at today's headlines. while we'll joke in our staff meeting, that it's just another tuesday, it to me is what a lot

of people look to you as the anecdote for. and i guess what i'm curious about is why are you a lonelier voice out there than what i think you should be? >> well, first, thanks for having me on. your sears catalog segment is an interesting setup for this, right? so people shouldn't be looking to me for a solution to this because the solutions are going to have to come from neighborhoods all across this great nation of 320 million people. political polarization, political tribalism is amping right now because the good tribes, the natural tribes, the normal traditional tribes by which humans have found rootedness, they're all in collapse. it's a strange thing because the digital revolution is great. i'm sort of a tech nerd at one level and i think the digital revolution will produce more total economic output than the world has ever known, but it's uprooting us from place. family structures make you happy. deep friendship makes you happy. shared vocation and co-workers make you happy. local worshipping communities make you happy. but it turns out as technology

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