we're in the business of helping you. business loans for eligible card members up to fifty thousand dollars, decided in as little as 60 seconds. the powerful backing of american express. don't do business without it. good morning. this is "up." i'm david gura. we begin with russian election interference 2.0. sheer what the president has said in the past. >> they said they think it's russia. i have president putin. he just said it's not russia. >> yesterday we learned that is not true. >> this is a very calculated campaign, and it's the same playbook used in 2016. >> the president has said about saudi arabia and "washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi. >> as of this moment, they deny

it and deny it vehemently. >> something else that is also not true. >> saudi arabia's been a great ally, but what happened is unacceptable. >> with just 17 days until midterms and this is what the election is shaping up to be all about. >> a vote for me, really a vote for me. >> vote for me. >> a vote for me. >> it's october 20, 2018 and plernlt plenty of politicians want to be in the arena. president trump taking that literally. >> any guy that can do a body slam, he's my candidate. >> just 17 days americans will head to the polls to cast votes in a pivotal midterm election. between now and then, president trump will be traveling the country stumping for republican candidates. last night he was in mesa, arizona, for his second rally in three days to campaign for congresswoman martha mcsally locked in a race to fit a seat

that currently belongs to jeff flake. flake is set to retire end of his term. president trump was discursive but hit democrats at every turn. >> the choice for every american could not be more clear than it is right now. democrats produce mod be. republicans produce jobs. >> democrats want to throw your borders wide open to deadly drugs and ruthless gangs. come on in, everybody. come on in. >> you know, we can no longer say pocahontas because she has no indian blood. elizabeth warren a very boring name. we're going have to come up with another name. vote for martha mcsally. it will be one of the best votes you've ever cast. it will be -- it will be the

second greatest vote you ever cast! the first greatest vote was for me! >> president trump's campaign swing continues over the next week he holds rails in nevada, texas, wisconsin and north carolina. with that i welcome ned price, msnbc contributor and former specialist with president obama. dorrian, center for community change action and author of "on your case" and a spokesperson for the obama campaign. a vet traeran of the show. you know the deal with the pastries. >> i'm looking at it. i do. and could be times two. >> keep an eye on it. ask awe what we've heard in the president's comments last night and heard over the last few days. he has distilled the message down to a few things. said this is an election about kavanaugh, the caravan, law and order and common sense. your reaction how unified the republican party and how the president has been able to set the terms of this midterm? >> absolutely unified and on

message. they have been for many, many years in comparison to democrats. it's no mistake he's going to mesa, going to nevada. he's going to places where immigration and latinos, the la tain oh population of immigrants are large. why? vilify them and continue to present them as criminals. so i think on the republican side, even all the articles on all of the candidates and the racist ads republicans are returning all around the country. they are unified. >> places where there are large immigrant populations even border states. all around. >> yep. >> upstate new york, where i have a home. there's advertising, complaining about the possibility of ms-13 gangs. >> what what degree is that catching on? you're in upstate new york, many miles ay way from the u.s.-mexican border. why are people glomming on to what the president's talking about? >> i smouppose in the end rathe than talk about health care, i think appealing to base fears

seems to be an effective str strategy particularly where ad campaigns get more nervous and can we do whatever it takes to win? an emotional issue many americans won't have any encounters with or might live in states where immigrants actually make positive contributions to the economy and communities. sad. >> is the fear new? is this a redux of 2016? that the cauldron this is happening is different? how different is the message from the president this time around? >> not so different but i would add to fear. two other plays the republican party and trump have. a lying. there's fear. there's rigging the rules. many republicans in swing districts where they're vulnerable are frankly lying particularly around the affordable care act. they are saying they will protect it and especially those with pre-existing conditions and they're lying and saying that they are the defenders of

medicare. when is laughable in its face. there's like, one is, play one, lies. two is fear. we've heard about. the same playbook. either misogyny or often racism especially the fear of immigrants or muslims or the other. right? fear is still, the playbook. it works, right? in many cases. worked for trump in 2016. third is rig the rules. we know what's happening in voter suppression in georgia, in texas, in north dakota. when you can't win on the issues because your position into popular, rig the rules so your folks benefit over the fearful coming electorate of black and brown people. >> it's the abcs of messaging. right? repeat something over and over people believe it. all studies even after president trump was elected showed folks don't believe what he says on immigrants, but if he keeps on going and keeps on saying it, folks do. democrats are the other hand, please, tell me where they are. tell me who's defending my human

rights? >> same time we're not talking about all people. talking trump's base. trump is making a calculated bet he can motivate, em passion the 30%, 35% of people that have always been with him and frankly never going to leave him. he is betting that the intensity of this crowd will outweigh the passion we're seeing from the broader population. i'm not sure that's a great bet. i think what the trump doctrine is leaving out is the idea that there are people who are newly nrp jiz energized, not on voter rolls in years. and in texas, talks about the voters that come out to see him, people who aren't voters by any definition because they haven't voted in two decades, but said, look, this campaign, the stakes are different. you are different. i'm i am coming out to voe for you. that's not someone reflected in any poll we've seen. >> yes. >> what does it say about polls? ask all of you about that. look at polling and those who

could lose by double digits. rourke, who has a sum of money. how do you regard polls at this point, dorian? >> polls, one measure. better measure, frankly, absentee ballots. actual behavior of people who are energize and already cast their ballots. look in certain states. georgia, for instance. relative to the last midterm election in 2014, the rate of absentee balloting is so much higher than it was four years ago. i think -- we've knocked on a million doors in florida. what we hear on the doors people are energized around not just being anti-trump but around what is an alternative vision that makes their lives better? not a referendum on trump. it is partly, but people are energized, angry around kavanaugh and immigration, but motivated by an alternative vision. you see it with stacey abrams and in georgia.

>> it isn't coming from the republican establishment rather outside groups like move on, the ccc. voter movement project, they're creating the narrative not the actual party. when i was in the obama campaign in 2012, we were not allowed to say the word "immigration" in english. right? the democratic line was, latinos care about more than immigration, because democrats haven't faced how to talk about this in a way that moves people and quite frankly, having been in, vote the democratic establishment and in two campaigns, they don't hire latinos, they don't hire immigrants with personal experience with this and have a long way to go. 60% of latino voters today say they haven't been contacted by either political party. 60%! >> the swirl of all this, throw in what we got from the intelligence committee yesterday. a joint statement of the doj, fbi and department of homeland security. hit my inbox mid-afternoon yesterday. learned the intelligence community is concerned about campaigns from russia and china and including iran undermining

deck creak institutions and influence government policies. dorian narcs moment talking voter suppression. get to that later in the show. here is what we saw in 2016 rearing its head once again. almost a duplicate of the efforts we saw back then. >> in some ways it is a duplicate and also saw doj charges against a russian operative spreading divisive messages on twitter, on facebook. >> with a multimillion dollar budget to do so. >> absolutely. what we saw in 2016 a confluence of a few things. propaganda, fake news, the disinformation that we saw yesterday in the doj charges, but the russians also married that with this hack and release strategy. pursued the dnc. pursued john podesta and other targets. that's something that according to the intelligence statement yesterday that we haven't seen yet. it will be what we'll see in the coming weeks is what effect one ingredient, just that disinformation without the pilfered information, unless

something changes in the next couple we'eks, just the effect that can have. the same effect without the john podesta e-mails and everything swirling around in the 2016 context. >> what the president wants the midterm to be about, looking at this statement, the involvement the groups had trying to shake the conversation here in this country. how perilous is that still? talking it's democratic message. another group shaping the way the electorate looks at the election in a few weeks? >> any lingering hope midterms could somehow bring the country together on issues that matter on both sides of the aisle, like health care, surely undermined by russian behaviors that have shown to have worked. nuded with messages in your inbox and the president when asked, this has nothing to do with me. sorry, you're the president of the united states.

election interference matters no whatter what side you're on. i'm fearful about these messages who may not realize all it's doing is enflaming their other predilections and giving them no incentive to look across the aisle. >> and also the president again going against his own national security officials. like, i don't understand there's an interesting article how the morale in the doj is so, so bad. right? not only are you asked to do things that probably go against your conscious, but they're not possible and keep asking you to do it. i can't imagine what it's like. another really, really big example of the president saying you know what? we're supposed to be trusting you. you are our national -- in it yourself. i can't imagine what that feels like. >> last word? >> the sad irony of this is the russian operative charged yesterday by the department of justice was charged with messages of a gun rights, about kavanaugh. it's not that different from what we see coming from president trump's twitter feed. >> that's the point. >> you see the confluence of

these messages that, messages intended to enflame and divide the american population. yes, coming from the russians but also from the inside, too. >> deliberate haplessness here in the u.s. up next on "up," president trump's reaction to the killing of jamal khashoggi and "up"'s take on colbert's interview with the associated press. >> ow president sat down -- did you just find out? am i breaking news here to these people? >> hey, hey. >> yesterday our president sat down with the associated press and started on friendly term. interview saying, thank you to doing this. to which trump replies what are you going to do in 6 1/2 years with a normal, boring person here? i don't know. dance in the streets? of course --

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new developments this morning an jamal khashoggi. more than two weeks after the "washington post" journalist was last seen entering the istanbul consulate, finding of a preliminary investigation.

saying khashoggi was killed during a fight that broke out inside the consulate and says five top officials have been fired and 18 saudis placed under arrest. here is president trump reacting to that news. >> saudi arabia's been a great ally, but what happened is unacceptable. we are going to see. they've arrested, just for the people at the table, a large number of people, having to do with the event that took place in turkey and the consulate. the saudi consulate, and -- it's a big first step. it's only a first step but it's a big first step. >> do you consider it credible? the explanation? >> i do. again, it's early. we haven't finished our review. or investigation. but it's -- i think it's a very important first step, and it happened sooner than people thought it would happen. >> also a fistfight. at a result of this mr. khashoggi was killed. >> i don't know that -- that's a

theory that's being thrown out. i don't think anybody said that, but they're saying there was fight, but that's a threy pe th put out. >> back with me here in new york. ned, let me start with you. a few things stood out to me during the course of that conversation with reporters. he kept saying this is a big step. first big step. we're now more than two weeks 0 ut from when the incident occurred and referred to it as a theory in the end. your reaction to what you heard and to the preliminary story spun here by the saudis what happened inside that consulate? >> it's clear the saudis aren't speaking to a rational, logical audience. if they were -- >> referring to the president? >> exactly who they're speaking to. speaking to an audience of one knowing that the president and this administration are grading on a curve. if they were speaking to the american public at large they would know what we know about this case doesn't add up. 15 operatives. a bone saw. possible recordings of torture

and dismemberment. these things aren't consistent with a fit fight. the saudis are trying to calibrate their explanation so that it is at least passable enough the administration can get behind it but not close enough to the truth. because the truth is probably too implicating and incriminating for the saudi proun prin crown prince salmon for the cozy and airtight relationship we've seen between this administration. >> the administration is willing to concede so much to the saudis and jared kushner, president's son-in-law and mohammed bin salman. even last night, overseen by mbs, by the crown prince, how surprising given your government service and work in the national security complex that you would have a u.s. government so willing to let this happen? >> well, you have to look at what all sides are saying here. if you look at senators,

republican and democrat, congresswe'll, republican and democrat, mitch mcconnell, marco rubio, bob corker, you hear one thing. if you hear president trump, you hear quite a different thing. president trump and mike pompeo, the secretary of state, are really on an island. i think we have to ask ourselves what is the one differentiating factor between president trump and even his staunch republican base? it's the fact president trump over the years has benefited from the saudis financially and personally. in 1991 they bailed him out. bought his yacht. a member of the royal family did. 2001, a saudi bought the 45th floor of trump tower. saudis, according to donald trump himself continued to pay him $40 million to $50 million for his apartments and, of course, his hotel in d.c. benefited greatly from visiting saudi delegations. i think when we look at what is happening, when we look at the very markedly different rhetoric we're hearing from the president, from even his own party, that's the only delta and

we have to look to that as part of the reason we're seeing this stance from the administration. >> and you bring up senators. tweets from senator lindsey graham and bob corker, critical of saudi arabia in this relationship. one there from senator graham. to say i'm skeptical about mr. khashoggi is an understatement. gabby, how be a pivot point are we at in terms of this relationship? >> i don't understand why our president would have any empathy to any journalist and because this becomes his financial interests and all known and the timing of the $150 million deposited, he's speaking to his base. right? speaking to people that believe exactly what he said and what all of the right wing media, you know, pushes on them all the time. i'm just not surprised by anything he's doing. again, he's undermining our national security, our

intelligence officials. and showing his true colors, which are not based on humanity, empathy or justice for freedom of the press. >> dorian, where do we go from here? robin wright, the great journalist on npr. the question she has, where's the body? a big open question looking at preliminary results from the saudis. what happens next as you see it? >> i think we need all of the evidence to come out. i think we need actually journalists to be able to do their jobs unlike mr. khashoggi, unfortunately, but to really uncover what actually happened here and have the truth out, and, two, i think on the back side, or let's just fastforward a few months. say the democrats win the house. there is something called the house oversight and reform committee. there could be a series of investigations that look into the conflict of interests into this administration, particularly the president, as ned pointed out, all of the conflict of interests in terms of this president and the saudis and add in, right, if you look

at the trump hotel in chicago, revenue down the last two years but who is backfilled that? the saudis. there's, like -- something is going on. we could see a series of investigations into why this president is paid not to understand some simple facts. >> david, to dorian's point, to get the truth out in this case there are two parties we cannot see the investigation to. one is the saudis. which the administration tried to do. frankly the other, the turks. they are geostrategic geopolitical rivals and both have an incentive to go after the two. what the administration needs to do and should do if it were serious about getting the truth out is to actually call for an impartial third party investigation. to have someone like the swiss, someone like interpol. whatever the body is, to take charge of this investigation and crucially to authorize fbi support. >> so oddly cagey about that? >> exactly.

fbi has a jurisdiction empowered by congress to do just that. if the president wanted the fbi involved to at least assist the turks or saudis, be able to, he could call for it. could have called for it two weeks ago but we haven't seen that, for some reason. >> intelligence people if we follow the logic, get the reports, intelligent and reasonable people to accept our findings. would our president and government? that's the thing. how i feel about all of these issues coming up. even if the career officials, those who actually take our national security seriously were to do something impartial, republicans and democrats agreed or the turks, some sort of international organization, our president's going to just shoo it off anyways. >> got to ask you lastly, ned, about the sanctity of investigations. the president has been very willing to draw parallel to what happened to brett kavanaugh. ex-kples explic explicitly. looking, behold it's guilty until proven innocent. what are the consequences of

that? talk about the erosion of norms and confidence that americans have in the systems we have in this country. is this yet another example of that? if there were investigations, americans waiting for that, how confident should they be if not by the swiss or anyone else that it will be done well? >> the president doesn't understand the nature of intelligence or wants to throw it out the window because it doesn't suit his own purposes. innocent until proven guilty is a maxim that holds in the u.s. judicial process. a suspect in a criminal process in the u.s. that doesn't hold in the intelligence world, because nothing is ever conclusive in the world of intelligence. you have assessments. you have hopefully high confidence assessments, as we did in the case of the russians meddling in our election. about as airtight and bullet-proof you're going to get. unanimous, high confidence assessment on the part of our intelligence community but you still doesn't hear them say this is definitely what happened. this is certainly what happened. there is always in this world

sort of an air of doubt in uncertainty. i think that is something that the president has really leveraged and used for his own purposes. he tries to divide us to take that, that sliver of doubt that remains and tries to blow up the whole case. see? maybe it didn't happen. maybe it wasn't the russians. maybe it was the 400-pound guy or the chinese. >> or guide the investigation in a way that makes it not comprehensive like we saw in kavanaugh. the most recent investigation we are supposed to trust. >> remember, he's not aligning with the rest of his party on this one. right? >> look at graham and corker -- >> exactly. >> a divide within the republican party around a major national security risk, frankly, if i can put it that way. so this is one issue where the party and the president are not aligned and i think there's really deep concern. i think we're just at the tip of the iceberg how republican senators are responding to this. >> despite that in a whisper

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welcome back to "up." i'm david gura. congressman best known for beating up a journalist. the "guardian" asked him a question he did not want to answer, and according to a fox news producer who was there, gianforte grabbed jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him in to the ground. then he began punching the reporter. the judge told him he'd have to do community service, take anger management classes a fine and a $50,000 donation to the committee to protect journalists. then gianforte apologized to ben jacobs. "i am sorry for what i did," and the unwanted notoriety. i take full responsibility."

he ended up winning his election saying his behavior was unprofessional, unacceptable and unlawful. and then this admission, as both a candidate for office and a public official i should be held to a high standard in my interactions with the press and public. my treatment of you did not meet that standard. that was a year ago, and this week we heard from another public official who does not subscribe to that same standard. >> if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. would you, seriously. just knock the hell -- i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. i promise. >> the guards are very gentle with him. walking out, big high five, smiling, laughing. like to punch him in the face. i'll tell ya. >> you get him out. try not to hurt him. if you do, i'll defend you in court. >> this week at a campaign stop in the home state of montana,

president trump made light of that attack on reporter ben jacobs. >> greg is smart. by the way, never wrestle him. you aunds thunderstand that? never. any guy that can do a body slam, he's my candidate. >> we endorsed greg very early but i had heard he body slam add reporter. i said, oh, this is terrible. he's going to lose the election. then i said, wait a minute. i know montana pretty women. i think it might help him, and it d. responding to that comments, all americans to recoil from the president's praise for a violent assault on a reporter doing his constitutionally protected job. olivia nox the association's president wrote. president trump made the comment days after the "washington post" columnist was killed something the president did not mention in that speech in montana. reporter ben jacobs boss weighed in, "we hope decent people will denounce these comments and the president will sigh fit to appall

appall -- apologize for them." so far the president has not instead lavished on what he said. >> greg is a tremendous person and a tough cookie. and i'll stay with that. up next on "up," the white house says good-bye to its top lawyer. somebody very helpful to robert mueller. the meeting of the executive finance committee is now in session. and... adjourned. business loans for eligible card members up to fifty thousand dollars,

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♪ rare footage uncovered of lawyer and guitarist don mcgahn. not sure if we'll see him playing in the washington metropolitan area now that he is no longer white house counsel. he left the job after his most consequential assignment guiding judge kavanaugh through the process. he's charged with helping the president pack the court with conservative judges. the folks he's managed to get through. talking about the long legacy. couldn't pick out all the faces in the picture but an astonishing montage what this administration has been able to do in the first term. >> and look at the supreme court. two justices. that kavanaugh battle, ultimate victory the president is saying will be a campaign issue, but

another side to don mcgahn. that's the don mcgahn -- >> three sides. >> well -- two different tunes and the other -- you know, part of the musical composition is the don mcgahn who reportedly spent more than 30 hours speaking with robert mueller. information that the white house has no idea about the scope or the details and i find his legacy so fascinate. how he simultaneously managed to deliver on trump's most, one of the few promises trump made republicans really stand behind and yet, and yet, what did he tell robert mueller when they sat down? the other issue about mcgahn is, he leaves behuind a white house with 25 positions unfilled. interesting legacy. >> waiting for the next counsel to come in, don't talk about this context, he has been able to guide this. how was he able to do it? >> first of all, easy to get

distracted all the time. in the last two years. right? especially with the kavanaugh fight, which was, from my perspective, the fight to have for my side, but we were distracted from all the circuit court judges that were nominated and approved and pushed through. and appointed. so that's more than just the supreme court. it is the entire federal judiciary that will be in conservative control for a generati generation. that is effective discipline while we're focused on one fight here, 25, 30 folks over here controlling the entire operation. the other thing i have to say about mcgahn is, wow. what a time to get out, because he would be responsible for overseeing all the subpoenas that will come from the house oversight committee if democrats take over the house. now the under staff but he got out at the right time. did his job. i think you're right. we don't know what he said to mueller and probably why he really got fired.

the administration said, oh, talk to him. when he did, this is -- part of trump's brand. right? around firing people. >> loyalty. >> loyalty. >> do you wonder how long it would take the obama administration to get an official appointed and gone through? >> since january 2017, 84. judges confirmed between 2015 and 2017, 20. that's an order of magnitude. >> i remember, everybody month. this is a person who has been waiting the longest to be confirmed. three months later, this is the person -- they have this capacity to push things through. obviously what trump has done very, very well is put extremely aggressive people in policy positions and then maybe not front roles. a lot of the stuff we hear about is stuff that already happened, but now we're starting to see the trickling down of the policies. >> the key to this administration not watch what it says, but watch what it does. go agency by agency, look at the courts, look at judges, that is

where the real, the real story is actually the action of this administration. it's not sexy. doesn't get ratings. you get ratings. doesn't get ratings. right? it's like watch what they do, no the what they say. >> same time, this administration has been effective in this regard but i think the key differentiation that in some ways separates it from the obama administration, a ruthless congress. mitch mcconnell, glocked garland, wouldn't let him come up for a vote. look what happened in the obama administration. ambassador nominee who died, passed away waiting for a vote by tom cotton. >> i know. >> and lastly, pivoting talking about the russian investigation. rod rosenstein saw a piece in bloomberg indicating it was all but wrapped up sits down for a rare interview with the "wall street journal" saying people are entitled to be frustrated. i accept that.

nodding to attacks on the conservatives and republicans. end of the day rosenstein continues the public will have confidence the cases brought were warranted by evidence and appropriate use of resources. your takeaway from that? again, an extraordinary interview and he doesn't do a lot of them. >> a man who you may remember cameras were trained on him not that long ago on the fear/assumption he was going to the white house to be fired. what all eyes are on, what happens after the midterms? presumably rosenstein aware of discontent within the justice department sashgs portative as a career professional of the work mueller is doing is trying to lay a foundation both to support the investigation and perhaps also calm some of the fever dreams of people who think, some day robert mueller is going to drop a bomb on the trump administration and we've already seen reporting saying, hold on. you may never see this report, you, the american public. there's no obligation. just let the process work. but coming up against a hard deadline with midterms. after that i think, you know, the seating chart in the

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democrats want to throw your borders wide open to deadly drugs and ruthless gangs. come on in, everybody. come on in. you think they're all wonderful people. you got some bad people in those groups. you got some tough people in those groups, and i'll tell you what. this country doesn't want them. >> as we speak the democrat party is openly inviting millions of illegal aliens to break our laws, violate our borders and overwhelm our nation. other than that, the democrats are doing a great job.

right? the president criticizing democrats during the campaign rally last night in mesa, arizona, in the final stretch of the midterm campaign, bordering front and center drawing a lot of attention to a of attention to a caravan of migrants. a reporter asked president trump about that narrative. >> what evidence do you have that these are hardened criminals? >> oh, please. please, don't be a baby, okay? take a look, okay? just take a look. look at what's happening. look at the mexican soldiers that are laying on the ground. >> take a look, he says. gabrielle, let me start with you about his ability to seize on this issue. i'm going to pull up the latest polling from this issue looking at voters' concerns. immigration is not number one. number five with 64% there at the bottom of that list. >> yeah. your reaction to the effectiveness of which he's been able to do this? >> the effectiveness is what we were talking about on the first

block, as well. he vilifies the same exact people. when we started separating kids at the border, he called them future criminals, kids, taken from their parents, right? there's a complete dehumanization. and obviously the president is extremely myopic. and i would say a lot of other presidents before him about our health and our cooperation with these countries. we're talking about the three poorest countries in this region through which most of the cocaine and heroine that we consume in the united states come through. so it used to go through the caribbean corridor, it was so effective that it pushed the drugs inland. when i was a journalist at univision, we would cover the letters that the presidents of these countries would send the government every year begging them to stop deporting criminals into them because they were completely destabilized. we can't pretend that what we do doesn't impact, right? that's what the sanctuary movement was about a long time ago.

it is because of our policy, our drug consumption that these folks are in this position. and refugees do not migrate. they flee to save their lives and they have an internationally recognized right to seek for asylum. something that both mexico and the united states are violating right now. >> we've talked in the past about push factors, what prompts people to leave their countries and come here to the united states. this week, there was a swirl of commentary from the president on twitter and in speeches about cutting off funding to these countries. >> right. >> what kind of acknowledgement is that of those push factors? why is this administration so blind to what is propelling people to come here? >> exactly. in every step of the way, the administration has proposed counterproductive steps, removing this funding from the northern triangle, funding that these governments could apply to help them with the crime, with the judicial redress in their countries, the things that are pushing people towards their boarders. but i think we have to

acknowledge that this is the tactic that president trump has used tore for years, even before he was president trump. we need only remember back in 2014 when then he portrayed the border is a source of ebola infected immigrants coming over. he called for the boarders to be closed, for flights to be canceled between west africa and the united states. now the border to him is about crime, it's about drugs, it's about terrorism, even. he's created this toxic brew. whatever he can throw at the border to portray it not as an opportunity, not as a source of economic drive for our country, but as a threat. >> there's a lot bombast, but then there's the exatiggeration. you heard it there. millions of people clamoring to get through our boarders if the democrats win. >> around that is the fear of a loss of political power. so this is actually a -- i hate to say this, because it's a

smart political strategy. the idea is that you create fear about demographic change and the future, right? so there's a reason why the race in texas, the senate race in texas between beta and ted cruz is so close because texas is start to go lean a little bit like california. that is the fear from trump and the republican party around the loss of political power. they can't deport enough people to stop the future. it is coming. so this is an act of desperation. it's a last gasp to hold on to political power from a changing demographic, especially when the ideas and the positions you run on are popular. >> and it lives, breathes, gets better and gets stronger every day with the absence of a narrative of humanity, of our values from the left which we don't have. >> i just want to point out that for those with longish memories, the democrats were amenable to an immigration deal that would secure funding for a border washington in exchange for

protection for dreamers. in the maelstrom of discussion, that gets lost. so blaming the democrats for a failed policy that is entirely the making of the trump administration where they've been unable to get past laws, legal rights for immigrants like the flores settlement that require them not to hold children for longer than a very short period of time and they are reap whag they've sown. i think there's a good reason why reportedly john kelly and john bolton were fighting about immigration policy this week. >> but to gabby's point, you have the democrats leading on a lot of these issues. we started off by saying president trump has shaped the narrative surrounding midterms. we've had the russians trying to shape it, as well. where are the democrats on this? here with 17 days to go, is there time for them to change who is driving the conversation? >> i don't think so. i really think that the people who are driving the conversation and who can get latino votes and people who care are left of

center, progressive groups like i mentioned before. we spend more on the border than all other law enforcement agencies combined. the higher the number of immigrants, the safer the city. that's what i love about beta's campaign. he is going out there and is a loving, breathing example of what it means to live in a successful city to have the lowest crimes in the nation because of the immigrant nation and has a relationship with mexico that we've always enjoyed and profited from. so he's kind of -- if we could clone him and have him go around and debate trump every day, that might work. but democrats aren't doing it. >> in this cycle, a lot of us are talking to millions of latino voters, and they'll benefit, but not because of what they've done. it's the opposite. >> we'll leave it there. thank you all very much. coming up, suppressing the the vote and the una-barbed, unapologetic nastiness of this

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