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democrats and republicans roll out their final campaign ads, and the tone is changing. it's nasty out there. >> three different names to hide
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his family's tie toes terrorism. his grandfather masterminded the munich massacre. >> lobbying for terrorist rights, backed billions for iran. tom melanowski has done enough damage in washington. >> when will we as a society begin to trust women, to believe women? >> what a hypocrite. what about the underage women who accused you? >> listen to the content of the lyrics. my mission is clear. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> profanity, misogyny, disturbingly radical. >> here in the home stretch, desperation setting in. eljoy williams is a political strategist joining us now. you can find danielle moody mills there. her show is called woke af. and josh borrow is an msnbc
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contributor and columnist for new york magazine. josh, let me start with you. as i said, we're in the home stretch here. days away from a midterm. how nasty is it compared to what we've seen in the past? >>. >> he think not necessarily nastier than in the past, but i think what's remarkable here is how removed those ads that you showed are from policy issues that are going to be on the table in this campaign. that's not, you know, this the candidate is going to raise your taxes and spend a lot of your money. it's that his grandfather was a terrorist and antonio dell gaddo, that ad in new york, the rationally coated attacks that they're putting on him can is remarkable because that's a weird district. he's the third candidate in a row who is not from that district. he moved from new jersey a couple of years ago. and the two white candidates, they did the sort of normal this person is not from here style campaign. with delgaudio, it's that he's not from here and he's black, like the much different version of that. >> your reaction to it, eljoy,
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just what we've seen there. we are removed from those core issues of this campaign. >> yeah. and ultimately, this is what i tried to tell even candidates that i counsel all the time is that ultimately voters want to vote aspirationally, right? they want to -- what are you going to do for me? and so, you know, to see these types of ads, when people want health care, when people want to talk about the economy, when people want to talk about infrastructure, so it's removed from what voters want and what -- and i feel like this is late in the midterm process of the attack ads. like we were supposed to be past this already and already moved to the -- you know, democrats will give you health care, we were supposed to move past this already. so we're kind of late in the game. >> rhia, how much of this is top down? we talk about how the president purports himself and what he said. how representative of that are the ads that you saw there? >> i think completely
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representative. i think they're nastier than ever before. these ads go to name calling. that's what's been sort of normalized, i think, in trump's america. i'm a huge critic of this president, but i have to be honest when i say that there's something that's enboldened congressional candidates across the spectrum to just go out and say whatever is on their mind. chris collins is still there. duncan hunter. these guys are still running and there is a problem when they want to turn it on the other guy. i want talking to carol miller in west virginia, a district i was born and raised in. she told mer he opponent is a democrat, a guy that is just now saying she's the reason for the opioid epidemic. she's like, can you believe this is how crazy it's gotten? this is what i have to weather whether i'm out there those last 18, 19 days. >> what is the answer to that? had how do you rebut a claim like that? what is her answer to that when she's approached with that? >> to be herself. that's what i told her.
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she's a woman who believes in other women. she's one of the republican women that i believe is going to change things for not only my home state, but for the country. she's taking the high road. she also said i'm not going to pull any punches. if this guy is going to come out there and go after me, i'm not going to take the same nasty route, but she's trying to be herself more than anything else. he's been contradictory, her opponent. he's been against the president. she's just being authentic. she's trying to embrace what the people want and i appreciate that. you shouldn't combat nastiness with nastiness. >> danielle, i've preserved a particularly nasty ad for you. let's take a little listen to what that radio ad has to say. >> what do you think about what's happening in washington? our congressman, french hill, and the republicans, know that it's dangerous to change the presumption of innocence to a presumption of guilt, especially for black men. if the democrats can do that to a wheat justice of the supreme court with no evidence, no
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corroboration and all of her witnesses including her best friend say it didn't happen, what will happen to the our husbands, our fathers or our sons when a while girl relies on them? white democrats will be lynching black folk again. >> truly astonishing. french hill responding to that. this wasn't paid for by hill. paid for by black americans act. there is no place for arkansas for this nonsense. >> that's the most outrageous thing i've heard as of yet. oh, wait, no, that's right. they had to use monkey sounds and other robo calls that have been used as of late. look, republicans don't make a -- you know, a secret of their experience and their feelings about black americans. it's not the idea that, oh, maybe it's racist, maybe it's
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not, it's dog whistles. no, these are bull horns. this president has emboldened republicans to take off their hoods and to show people exactly who they are. when you put out an ad like that, you're not trying to bring together people. you're trying to show a caricature of black people to white folks with, right? that pac, that ad that was put out, that is so disturbing to me. and it should be called out. but this, you know, you have people who come out and they say, no, i condemn it, i condemn it. i'm sure that this is tied, back door, back door, back door, to the campaign, right? because this is what they do. this is what republicans do when they feel they're pushed against the wall, they are trying to hold on to white supremacy as much as they possibly can. and i feel that the people that are out front right now, what they're showcasing is the worst part of the republican party. it is the worst. it is the bottom of the barrel. when michelle obama, they go
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low, we go high, but the idea that this is what they steep in, this is what their policy s steep in, that's some jim crow message just now and this is what they resort to because this is what their base wants. >> the problem isn't that different than it is every cycle. you get ads like this and you have to respond to them some way or you don't. >> or you make the calculation that it's going to come out and i'm going to immediately denounce it, but it's out, anyway. sort of you make the calculation whether or not you use it or you denounce it. it's a game that's played in terms of politics. ultimately what we have to go to, and this is why there's voter apathy, they see the nastiness of the ads, knowing that doesn't matter, it's not relevant to the issues i'm dealing with and who i want to represent me. the people i want to send to congress, the people i want to send to the state legislature,
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the people that i want to be my governor, i want them to deal with these real issues of health care. i want them to deal with the real issues of our economy. our product is crumbling. those are the real issues. what i want to see is i want to see leaders who are not just responding to the moment of nastiness and trying to be trump like and trying to match trump for trump. even on a democratic side, what i want to see is elected leaders who are standing up and saying, this is wrong and here is where i'm going to be a leader, right? being a leader means you're going to buck what the latest trend is and i'm going to say this is what the voters need. this is what the voters want to respond to. there are some candidates doing that. stacey abrahams is doing that in georgia. andrew is doing that in florida. there are congressional candidates all across the country who are doing that, but what's getting the attention are the people who are doing the nastiness and sort of claim those nasty ads.
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that's what's getting attention. and we have to collectively, even from a media standpoint, we have to collectively resist, you know, trying to -- continuing to highlight those pieces and focus more on the issues and the things that matter. >> it's so hard in the republican party right now. because i liken it to what's happened in islam. it's been hijacked by its most radical members. if you don't stand with that fringe, they're going to boot you. they're going to call you a republican name only which i've been called for years. i have no problem with that. but when you come to the table and talk about how this party needs to reform itself and go back to the roots, the anti-slavery roots, talking about freedom, liberty, you don't see that. because all the time people have to toe this line of being good with this administration and wanting to keep their seat in power in congress. so i am not finding much
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principled leadership in congress at this moment. >> when you see ads like this, it's because that's what's testing. you saw it last year. ed gillespie, ran this campaign sort of trying to act like he was donald trump and focussing so much on immigration and ms13 and crime and these themes that trump has about america being under siege, and the thing i would caution about this approach, though, politically, gillespie lost that race by nine points. just because it is the best strategy available to you doesn't mean it's the strategy that will win you the election. republicans are running ads about this because ads about the tax bill are not appealing, because they do not have a record on run on health care. they think this is the best metsage availabmets message available to them. and i think, you know, that is why the democrats have the upper hand in the election. they have a better hand to play. >> how much does the individual matter at this point?
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we talk about a nationalized congress. when you look, danielle, at these exceptions with, how indicative of that of congressional races as a whole? we're talking about president trump earlier in the show, it's all about him. he wants this election to be about him. does that diminish the role of these individuals to be leaders and to take stands that their constituents mitrally behind? >> well, this president wants everything to be about him. but the idea here is that the individuals do matter because, like we said earlier, people, voters, they want to like their candidates. they want to feel like they can have a relationship with them. it's the idea -- and hillary clinton has said this so many times. democrats need to fall in love. republicans fall in line. right? they will vote down the ticket. democrats need to feel connected. i have sick down and have brunch with you, i can have a beer with you. so the individual does matter and i think it matters that the people that eljoy brought up up, stacey abrahams gilliam, they
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are playing gutter politics. but their issues don't win. so they have to resort to other tactics like voter suppression, like hate, like racism in order to appeal to their base because their message is not one that is of making america great again. >> i want to play a bit of tape here. senator pamela harris was in south carolina of all places, i'm sure coincidentally as i was talking about her. a reporter talked about how democrats should respond. let's take a listen to what she had to say. love the country. so let's hold our america high and show us that and let us be resolved and resolute. let us understand there is so much at stake and we are better than this and we are all in it together. >> a little hard to hear in that
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echoey hall. i'll read what she had to say. this is a fight born of love of country. so over the next 18 days, let's hold our heads up high and our shoulders back. eljoy, you host a show on civics. there is an aspirational nature to that as you listen to the nature of what pamela harris is saying in that hall. i wonder if you feel that tension. there is an urge to fight back in a more visceral way. how do you respond to what senator harris said there, that the democrats' response should be to take the higher road, seek out those angels. >> taking the high road doesn't mean laying down and taking punches. there is a way to fight back without getting down into the gutter. what i did hear of the sound bite, the last part, i heard her saying we're better than this.
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what a better message to say. we are better than this as a country. we are better than this as a country. we are better than these attack ads that are using old jim crow tro quos, that are racially insensitive. we are better than this as a country to believe that all across the modern world people have better health care than we here in the united states. we're better than this. we're better than to let people, you know, languish in poverty. we are better than to have an education system that continues to treat white kids or invest more in their education than we do children of color. that overall is a message people can buy into. that's what i'm talking about in terms of different political leadership. you don't want to follow a leader who is just going to follow the latest trends and going to keep you in the same place. you want to follow a leader, you want to elect a leader that is going to take you somewhere else, take you above where you
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are. and that can be in terms of having better health care, having a better education system. that is the type of electoral system we need because we are much better than this. >> and democrats haven't been able to identify that person as of yet who is going to offer that message. there are a lot of people who want to be rock stars. i think it was a better message than what eric holder had to give recently, but i'm nerve was. i'm not sure that they can pull it off. there doesn't seem to be a strategy or convening around the next person that can take it to the next level. there seems to be more nancy pelosi. >> if you look even in the modern times at what president obama offered, it wasn't he
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individually. it was we can. we can do better than this. that is something that collectively, whether you're at the statehouse, whether you're running for president, or whether you're the activist in the street pushing for these better policies that we collectively can do this. >> i see what your saying, but trump is an i alone can fix it guy. so how do you combat that? >> with we. >> duelling pronouns here. up next, on making it personal, senator elizabeth warren talking about the difficulty of trying to outtrump trump. >> who cares. who cares. >> i didn't see that. no, you better read it again. my mom was freedom, and my dad, adventure. they baptized me in mud and christened me on rock, so i got tougher. they fostered a love of learning, so i got smarter. taught me to appreciate the finer things in life, so i became more civilized and refined. thank you, freedom and adventure,
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welcome back. the "new york times" writes they expect three female democrats to start running for president this week. this week, warren released the results of a genetic test revealing some evidence of native american heritage. the tests contacted she is 1/64th native american maximum. to many, it was a signal she's running. to president trump, it was an opportunity to refresh his attacks. >> we can no longer say pol pocahontas because she has no indian blood. there's no indian blood.
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i always said i have more indian blood than she has and i have none. i have none. >> unequivocal there. danielle, what do you make of the timing of this and her decision to do it. she's taken a lot of criticism for doing it, for engaging in the way she has with president trump. there was a piece in the boston globe a few weeks back before when she laid bare the information about native americans. your reaction the to her going this route? >> you know, at first when i saw it, i said, okay, you want to battle his shadiness and the underpinnings of this administration. >> like the relentlessness of it. >> with some transparency. you want to show that you are an open book and allow the american people inside of your live. so i got that. the problem is that you can't out-trump trump. right?
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he is going to go after you regardless. and i think the way you don't engage is to stay above the fray and that you attack his policies, his demeanor, the way that he treats women, the way he talks about minorities. i feel like that's what you should do. what she did, in my opinion, and i got frustrated with president obama with releasing his birth certificate, it's like trump gets to be the white supremacist show me your papers guy and everybody else is like, scuffling around to show them. and i'm saying, we're still waiting on your tax returns. we're still waiting to know exactly how much money you have. we're still waiting to understand whether or not you're selling america off to the highest bidder so that you can stack your hotels. so the idea that people keep can coming to the playground and, you know, showing him and saying, oh, ha, ha, i beat you this time, it's not working and i don't think it worked for her in the way she wanted it to. >> do you all agree, was it a mistake for her to do this? i don't understand what was going -- whatever.
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why was this necessary? >> she took the bait. >> yes. that's what it is. i agree. stop doing it. stop. stop trying to get in the -- stop trying to beat trump at this game. stop it. everybody, just cut it out. >> i don't think this is entirely about trump. this was a big issue in trump's 2012 campaign, made a big issue by her republican opponent in that race. and you had some of the same sort of like people calling her f on ocahontas back then because trump had to further simplify it. but i think in addition to the fully racist attacks about it, there are issues she never fully addressed about it. the timeline harvard started identifying her as a native american, harvard was using her as a statistic to claim to have racial diversity -- >> after a period during which
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they had precious little diversity. >> right. should you loy your employer to hold you out as a nonwhite person on the faculty when you are not, anyway, anything but white? she's never fully addressed what the reason was for deciding to do that, deciding to allow harvard to do that. and i think there have been so many bad faith attacks against her that democrats have been distracted from the good faith reason people have to be concerned about this, i think it's a big problem for a presidential campaign for her. the issue is not are you 1/64th of native american blood. that doesn't affect the ethics. >> and that's why the strategy was bad. the strategy could have been from a local standpoint of quieting down something that could be brought out later in terms of a presidential run or a larger issue and the way in which her and her team released it, the way it was describes and the conversation about it was bringing it nationally and addressing trump's critique, rather than addressing the issue
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of the university and how it's been brought up before. so the strategy of it was bad. >> she was trying to be transparent. she already had a problem in massachusetts i think for being out of the state for so long and traveling and making her intentions known for a long time. i don't see how she gets past this. i just don't. >> i want to read one quote from ross, he said warren should not have taken the test. having taken it, she should not have publicized it. having publicized it, she should fire anybody who encouraged it and move on. >> josh, when you look at this long list of people who might challenge president trump in 2020, what's the lesson to take away from this? you heard the president last night saying i have to come up with a new nickname for her. clearly the wheels are in motion for him to do that. >> i think there's a couple of things. i think the specific issue about the native american heritage claim, i think, is unlikely to come up in a similar manner
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worry candidates, although who knows. but i think the lesson is the same one that you got from marco rubio and the various people in the 2016 primary who decided the best way to get attention or to look tough was to get in the mud with donald trump. you had marco rubio making jokes about donald trump's small hands and what does it mean when you have small hands and it makes you look undignified. so i don't think -- did unless you're michael avan on ootti. michael avanotti does look ridiculous in a way. but in a way he owns it. it comes off as he intends. >> it's very authentic when he wears it. >> all of this takes away from the greater issue about more women even being in the discussion about a 2020 run in the first place. that altace away from that overall discussion. >> i think she step back.
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she's been trying to run for president for a while now. let somebody else step up to the plate. >> i don't think so. >> listen, she may, in fact, be tired, but i don't think that this particular incident is what it's going to force her back into the shadows. every single time that we watch trump fumble on something, every single time that we said, oh, this is going to be the end of this administration or this is going to be the end of his campaign, it wasn't. why aren't women allowed to reinvent themselves? >> i just think that she can't go mano a mano. >> something crazy will come out of this white house. he will say something that is outrageous and we will have all forgotten. >> that can happen in two days and -- >> it can happen in an hour. >> and two years away. when we come back, the republican club painting that we've seen around the world. why are are scratching their heads when it was seen in the most unlikely of places. ♪
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welcome back. i'm david gurra. if you were watching the 60 minutes interview with president trump, you may have caught a glimpse of this painting, hanging on a wall outside the oval office.
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it is not really a painting, per se, according to the artist antd rue thomas. the version of the republican party that is hanging in the white house is a high quality reproduction printed with a laser printer. it is an astonishing thing because the president is the president and he has the ability to decorate with pieces brought from the smithsonian institution. that, by the way, is not where the original of this paint is stored. what are lincoln and thomas saying to each other? i have to idea. just because theory all republicans doesn't mean they actually like each other. the post picked up on president trump's smile calling it very charming. i don't think i've ever seen trump smile like that. the artist calls it a good feeling painting. i try to make people looking at good feeling and happy as i can. >> eljoy, your reaction to it. the fact that it's there and maybe what you see in the picture, as well.
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>> you get to live in the house, you get to tackily decorate it however you want to. >> he shows noer regard for history. so he wasn't going to pick anything from the smithsonian. but i was taken by abe staring at him, but more so, the woman in the background in the very, very back. >>. >> they used to offer a pretrump version of this painting it's a thing you can order on the internet if you have no taste. >> anything stand out to you? >> yes, a lot stands out. i get why he loves it so much. he's at least -- he looks much younger and thinner. and actually happy, i'm sure it's somewhere in the white house. there's a recreation of melania trump as the mona lisa. you know? this was a reflective of their
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taste. >> we will wait for the next 60 minutes interview. coming up, up next, the hoops some states are putting voters through just to make it to the polls. but first, here is trevor noah's take on the tactics being used to suppress the vote in georgia. >> come on, guys, really? the guy in charge of the election is also running the election. like that is some african level [ bleep ] right there. >> we're used to that all the time. someone will be like, okay, now that everyone has voted, i'm going to take the ballots into the other room and when i come back, i'll tell you how i -- i mean who won. i'll tell you who won.
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it's always been about who gets to control the life of this country and who gets to determine how we all live our lives. that's what it's always been about. >> former u.s. attorney general loretta lynch talking about voter suppression with my colleague, chris matthews, on hardball. it's a highly contested gubernatorial race between stacey abrahams and brian kemp. add to go that, a group of senior citizens were headed out to vote on a bus, they were removed from that vehicle by government officials who cited the trip as a political activity not permitted during county-sponsored events. i just want to get your reaction to where we are.
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your reaction to what is happening? >> voter suppression happens in this country in every election. just for those who may not remember, we still do not have a fully functioning voting rights act in this country that permits a lot of these things to even continue. we have voting rights act. some of these things would still be happening, but they would be able to be challenged, whether you're talking about purges, whether you're talking about changes of movements of polling locations and things of that nature. so the overall pieces that we do need, one of the things that we need congress to go back and do and do their jobs is actually make sure that we are protecting the most precious part of democracy that we can participate in, number one. in terms the of historical resonance of this is that there is always, you know, power always finds a way to try to protect itself. right? and so anytime that you have
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people trying to ex either tertr that they have or the voice that they have to change power, to change who is in power, to change who represents them, there is always, for people who want to -- who are are corrupt, and you can see this all over the world to try to create barriers for people to take power away from them. so whether that may result in a secretary of state holding back voter registrations under the pretense that, you know, people didn't complete a form right or illegals, which i hate using that word, are trying to vote, like there's a massive amount of people other countries trying to vote in our election. rather than making sure that we have a processer or a means for people to exercise their right to vote in this country. >> and the quantity of early voting that we're seeing, it's a huge uptick. >> this is great. technology is having an impact
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on people's lives. in previous elections they don't get. the talk about provisional ballots is really good, about how people should not lev a polling place no matter what. i'm hearing more talk of that and i love it. but this is so sad to me, the story. because it's so un-american. and the right thing to do for kemp would have been to step away from this role, right, as secretary on of state. but this is exactly what we've said all along. this is about power. it's about changing the power structure in this state. and she poses a great threat to him. i mean, what i'm hearing from georgia republicans is that, hey, look, she goes out of state a lot. she raises a lot of money the out of state. she's not really good for georgia. what do you think about that? they are not sure what to say about kemp's actions in terms of percentaging or just, essentially, things like taking people off a bus. that was a local county official saying they were uncomfortable. these are new, scary tactics. there's a segment of the pop lagz that doesn't understand what it's like to be a disfranchised voter. when you're a person of color and you've groan up in that
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construct, they're not used to that. the people in power are not used to that. but what we combat that with is a lesson in civics. all of us, it doesn't matter your political affiliation to talk about what's happening in this country. if you take away loretta's -- voting is not a privilege. it's a right in this country. >> and it's something that we -- for decades. since the beginning of time, voter suppression has been a thing and it has been a tactic that has been used. we went from counting marbles, right, black people going in jim crow south to go to register to vote and having to take a literacy test, having to count marbles and guess whether or not they were eligible that day. being beaten, being jailed in order to vote. republicans do the absolute worst and disservice to america by creating a problem where one did not exist. the idea that brian is allowed
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to hold 53,000 voters registrations hostage in his office because of his exact match, if my name is danielle moody mills but i leave off the "a" in the middle, then all of a sudden i'm ineligible to vote and may never be notified that that is the case, what they are doing is absolutely disgusting. when the voting rights was aguted by the supreme court, over 200,000 -- over 200 voter registration voter suppression laws went rampant across the country, were on the books. you have ohio, florida, texas, all of these places where they are working tirelessly to try and suppress people from being able to go to the polls, to tell people if you're standing in line, we're going to have cops out front, right, so that anyone who may have had a speeding ticket, a bench warrant or anything that they would be deterred from standing in line or going to the polls or saying, oh, i'll take your ballot here,
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right, instead of you actually being able to go in and pull the lever and make sure that you've done it yourself. why? because when more people vote, when more people show up, republicans lose. and the only way for them to battle against that is to try and suppress the vote because they don't offer any policies that the american people actually want, that will make our lives better. >> josh, i want to ask you just about a lot of the anxiety surrounding this is that you have a hard deadline. this is coming up against an election. we have 17 days to go and we've seen the legal action that's been taken here in georgia, the concern nationwide. and i think what we're getting at here is it's a system that's stretched. there are problems with it and it's a system that's stretched. how optimistic are you that this will be sorted on out? again, you've got just two weeks to do that. >> this will never be sorted out entirely. this is a story that's been going on for centuries. but i think, you know, and the litigation, i think, all of these -- there are fights over
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all sorts of these things. i think it's important to know the exact system that caused a lot of registrations to be rejected. they're not allowed to impose that for this election. it is an ongoing issue in georgia. if they show up at a polling place for this election, they should be given a ballot and allowed to vote. if not, they should request a provisional ballot. but that goes to show how this is a fight that's been going on in georgia for years. so it's an ever changing target where people need to -- it's unfortunate that it forces people to pay more attention than they otherwise would have to and to try to figure out what they need to do to assert that right to vote. >> let me correct one thing. you said this is un-american when, in fact, it is actually american. it may be against american values and ideals, but it is certainly american. let me take you back to 1920, november, actually. so after the passage of the amendment which gives women the right to vote, it's the first presidential election in which women are allowed to vote.
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and in some counties in the south particularly, where black women are registering in droves, right, because it's the first time they sort of have access to the franchise. and during that time, black women, one of the tactics that were used is black women had to wait in line and wait until every single white woman in the county who the eligible to be registered registered before they could. so in terms of this being in terms of un-american, we have to, you know, separate that there is, yes, america has been capable of this and continues to be capable of this. but it is against what the values and everything and ideas that we say. and so in that aspect, even in 1920 in places like georgia, at that time and louisiana where black women overpeaced registration of white women at that time and that registration. so there is a history of voter suppression, particularly for people of color in this country. but, you know, part of our
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but what happened is unacceptable. >> do you consider it credible? >> i do. it's early. we haven't finished our review. >> that was president trump reacting to saudi arabia's claim that journalist jamal khashoggi was killed in a fight gnat country's consulate in istanbul. white house stayed in a statement that it will continue to closely follow international investigations into this tragic incident and advocate for skrus tis that is timely, transparent and in accordance with all due process. my panel is back with me here in new york. i want to focus on the white house's response to this over the course of the last weeks. i'll start with you, you saw the report of what happened last night. your reaction to it, and your reaction to the way the white house reacted? >> the white house reaction reminds me of the kavanaugh reaction, talk of due process. this is absurd. >> kind of engineered by the white house. they've drawn that parallel, made the connection early on. >> indeed that's what they're
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doing. what's worse to me is that the president is using the word credible. it's always been about money. it's always been about the relationship between the house of saud and now the house of trump, as some have called it. this is about jared kushner, and mbs. mbs was not the reformer, the modernist we thought he was. some of us were under no guise that he was that. but, look, i liked him in the beginning. he's no better than a murderous thug. when you take somebody who has been inside, an insider in your court, but doesn't like you, and has started to speak out, they don't like dissent. trump doesn't like dissent. the crown prince doesn't like dissent. it's all about money, and people who don't like them. and silencing their voices. mr. khashoggi's fiance wrote a beautiful op-ed. any journalist who could be a u.s. permanent resident and be employed by a u.s. company, "the washington post," be a
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contributing writer there, would have no protection. what could have been in his mind? he's okay. because america has his back. no, america doesn't have your back. freedom and liberty didn't exist for mr. khashoggi. so i hope his death is not in vain. i hope this is a serious conversation about freedom of the press and how this administration has treated a u.s. permanent resident who was murdered brutally by all allegations. we should have -- look at these reactions coming for congress. they are bipartisan. i'm so glad people are finally speaking up. because, fine, the u.s./saudi relationship may have endured 9/11. this is a new era. we can't allow this to happen. this is how private citizens, freedom and liberty die. this is how it dies when strong men, tyrants are able to do such things. this could happen here. and i want people to think that. >> and the reality is, is that it probably will happen here. not to the extent in the brutalization that occurred in turkey, but the idea that we have a president that went to a
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rally, as we're still under -- as we're still understanding what has -- what exactly happened in the consulate. and is cheering on the montana representative that body slammed a reporter, and he is joking with the crowd and saying, you know, he's a guy that you don't want to wrestle with, and he's a tough cookie, and celebrating violence against the press. so the idea that this administration is going to care about what happened and how he has said constantly that he was a u.s. resident, not a u.s. citizen, that is a dog whistle to his base. he's not really american, so we really don't have to care. and he's also made it absolutely clear about how he feels about the media. at his rallies they wear t-shirts that say noose, tree, journalists, assembly required. that is something that has been at all of these rallies. so that's his opinion about the press. >> the business angle is what i'm curious about, mbs coming to new york and silicon valley, it took a very long time for steve
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mnuchin the treasurety secretary to say i'm not going to go to the press conference, but he's still going to saudi arabia. >> donald trump is far from the only person who the need to do business with saudi arabia has clouded his judgment about saudi arabia. the upside from this is that i think donald trump's warm embrace of the saudis has a lot of people in washington in the foreign policy establishment on the right and the left questioning america's long standing alliance with saudi arabia. it's not like this is the first time saudi arabia did some horrible thing. i mean, they're conducting this war in yemen, this proxy war with iran that is being waged in a way that is with complete disregard for the lives of innocent civilians. that, you know, before donald trump was doing that, barack obama was doing that, this has been u.s. public policy to support a/cs like these. not the murder, but the yemen war and things like that. for a very long time, it's a misread of what u.s. interests are. when donald trump does something, a lot of people question whether they should be doik it too. maybe we will have a smarter
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