children in 2015. it was just what annie would have wanted them to do. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales. thanks for watching. good morning. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it's 7:00 in the east, 4:00 out west. here's what's happening. the president stoking immigration fears and going after dratsz. the democrats fighting back with 16 days until america votes. >> the democrats want to throw open your borders to deadly drugs and gangs and anybody else that wants to come in. >> i think that blue wave is being rapidly shattered. >> it's all about donald. it's not about anything else. it's a i conscious effort to divide the country. >> plus, a new theory about whether robert mueller's report

from the russia probe ever becomes public. new this morning, president trump in full campaign mode boosted by new midterm elections that -- a wave election diminishing. the report forecasting that democrats are aligned to win a net gain of 20 to 40. compared to a prediction early that had them gaining 40 to 50 seats. the president riding the momentum, attacking democrats at a campaign stop in nevada. >> i like where we stand in the election. you know, i think that blue wave is being rapidly shattered. you know, all the democrats want is power. they got this blue wave deal going. not looking like a blue wave. >> by the way, joe biden is in las vegas. joe, sleepy joe biden. we call him 1% joe.

>> the president also hammered away at his anti-immigration theme thanking mexico for accepting a caravan of 4,000 migrants on a march to the u.s. from honduras. gabe gutierrez is in southwestern guatemala at the border with mexico with the latest there. gabe? >> reporter: dara, migrant caravans happen from time to time but this is larger than usual. up to 5,000 made the initial trek from honduras. it seems it may have political under tones against the government there. it is crowded and chaotic. thousands of migrants, mostly from honduras, are stopped at the guatemala/mexico border. pleading to get through. desperate for food and water. delgado has been sleeping on the ground here for days. she says her son is 11 years old

and she left he wiel salvador be of violence. >> the trek through central america, mexico, eventually hoping to reach the u.s. border. on friday they clashed with mexican police here wearing riot shields. some jumped into the river using rafts to get across. others burst through the police barrier, the officers unleashing tear gas. mexican authorities are allowing a small number who are seeking refugee status to pass. they're taken to this shelter. families clustered together. some sleeping on the floor exhausted. mexico's president nato insists that aggressors won't be tolerat tolerated. they're let being let in 10 or 20 at a time to be bused to a local shelter where they might be allowed to apply for refugee status. they may have to wait up to 45 days. dare a? >> gabe gutierrez thank you for that report. jonathan allen is joining me and

bluebird chief washington correspondent. great to have you both here this morning. >> great to be here. >> jonathan, i'll start with you. we've heard a lot from the president on immigration. he's saying that democrats are behind the caravan of immigrants and is this a winning strategy that will get the republicans to the polls? >> dara, i was in arizona and montana this week with him. in arizona, he laid out an idea that democrats are funding the caravan so that undocumented immigrants will come to the country to get federal benefits and ultimately will vote for democrats. he didn't say in the midterms because that seemed to be what he was implying. none of that is true. it's interesting to see, i think, what you saw democratic leaders say yesterday is that the president is trying to shift the debate to immigration from health care because he thinks that's a better place for him, particularly with his base. you know, whether it works or not, i think that remains to be seen. i suspect most people are angry

about undocumented immigrants and believe they're getting federal benefits for which they're ineligible, the president mentioned welfare, that's no longer a program in the united states. he said they would be getting rolls-royces. alex jones would be impressed with the conspiracy theories. i think the people are fired up about this. they'll be fired up whether or not the president makes speeches. >> while trump was rallying supporters in nevada. former vice president joe biden had a rally in las vegas. >> many people know who donald trump is. here's the question, i raised it with the union leadership today. may not like what i'm about to say. it's not enough for us to show who they are. we got to tell them who we are. what do we stand for? what do we stand for? what does the democratic party stand for today?

>> kevin, what is the message for democrats? >> well, exactly. i think that's the question as we head into the midterm elections and as we head into the 2020 cycle. it's never too early to talk presidential politics. i can't wait to get back on the presidential campaign trail. for vice president joe biden, he's someone trying to go after the union voters. he's trying to specifically target their 70,000 voters that were the swing vote in michigan, ohio, wisconsin, pennsylvania. the trump coalition was able to carry. senator bernie sanders was in michigan and on the midterm campaign trail campaigning with debbie steb now. he thanked the crowd for their upset victory in the hillary clinton primary. look, the democrats, after the midterms, i would anticipate there's going to be a bevy of early jockeying, early positioning. it's already going on, by the way, at the staff level with camilla harris and elizabeth warren. has been for quite some time, as

well as vice president joe biden. >> i totally agree with what john allen just said. the politics of this, this is purely a way -- it's all about the base. trying to get the base to come out. let's talk about honduras and guatemala. let's talk about chinese investment and panama and why these thousands of immigrants are trying to go through this heldish for lack of a better word journey through central america. let's talk about the revitalization efforts that have to be ton at the southern border of mexico. to create an economy where these types of incentives aren't necessarily what have to be done. the chinese are dividing and conquering in central america and putting in billions of dollars of investment in these central america countries and what you're looking at is the result of a very now tragic situation. >> jonathan, you've been writing about donald trump's admission

that politics is driving his policy priorities. so how unusual is this from a u.s. president? >> it's very unusual, dara. we say that he's saying the quiet part out loud. so often he's framing his policy decisions around the midterm elections and how they'll affect him. i think the major one deals with immigration and his border wall. he wanted to shut down the government to try to force funding for his border wall. but was going to wait until after the midterms to do it. obviously, the reasoning for that is the republicans in congress were worried that an attempt to do that, to shut down the government and force democrats to give up money for the wall would ultimately hurt their candidates. we see this with his meetings with vladimir putin and kim jong-un being pushed off until after the midterms. we actually said, this is about the politics. it's reflecting in a way, right? so many candidate and

politicians and so many presidents tried so hard to avoid saying that. >> talk about that, john. his admission about his political motivations, that is helping him with his base, correct? >> yeah. his base appreciates what they see as i am being honest. it's interesting because people who don't like him say this guy is lying all the time. the people who do like him say his candor and authenticity are refreshing. both things are true. he can say untrue things about a lot of issues. there are ways in which he doesn't talk like a typical politician and clears out that underbrush that makes it difficult for voters to understand what the politicians are driving at or what their motivations are. so many try to hide their motivations. kevin, we want to talk about the other side here. former president barack obama, he's returning to the trail this week. he's helping the democrats enough? >> i think that the obama coalition truly does feel they have a need to do this ahead of the midterm elections and ahead

of the 2020 presidential. this is the last winning coalition, dare a. this is the last time that you had a democratic apparatus that was actually successful, the obama coalition was successful in uniting the democrats coalition and uniting unions. the union workers had ultimately decided this election and went for trump. what you're seeing is a vacuum for the fight of the soul of the democratic party. when you have the clintons hitting a speaking circuit trail, you know, discussing, tripping over some questions from the '90s, you had the obamas now moving to the forefront and you have the former vice president saying that this has to be a fight of folks telling people what the democratic party ultimately represents. i mean, this is a storyline that we've discussed on your program for months about really this tension between the centrist

wing of the democratic party and the more progressive wing. this issue of nafta, in particular the nafta 2.0 and unions in particular is going to be something that is -- that the former vice president sees, that senator bernie sanders sees, that senator elizabeth warren sees. it's really going to shape the race. as of now, i would note, no major developments since the justice kavanaugh confirmation has really acted as a way to shake up the -- the senate likely going for republicans and the house for the democrats. >> 16 days we'll find out. >> after that ral any nevada before trump addressed the killing of the saudi journalist, jamal khashoggi. tlets e. let's ta let's take a quick listen. >> mike pompeo has not, secretary of state. somebody came out with a false report. i think it was abc. it was totally false.

he has not seen that. has not heard that. i would tell you if he had. so far, we've heard about it, but nobody has seen it. it may. i'm going to work with the senate and the house. we'll be working with congress because they're very involved. i wanted to keep them involved. >> nbc news has not independently confirmed that abc report that secretary of state mike pompeo has listened to the alleged audio recordings of khashoggi's death. what's the significance if that is true? >> well, i mean, it's significant if the united states has more information than the president is releasing. the reports on the audio recording suggest that the brutalness of jamal khashoggi -- it would be a tremendous lie if we had heard a report and the president said we hadn't. that said, the most important thing said in the short-term or

the long-term is that he's going to work with congress on this. what that means is that the president has no choice but to work with congress on this. congress is so angry about his administration's actions about this, they will act without him and try to put sanctions on saudi arabia or try to cut town on an arms deal or punish them in some other way that the president cannot stop because it has overwhelming bipartisan support. >> great to have you both on a sunday morning. thank you for your input here. >> thanks for the time. next, how far president trump will go to try to defeat one of the biggest alleged -- in congress. make a smart choice.

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countdown to the midterms now just 16 days away. one of the more hotly contested senate races in big sky country. right now it's a tossup between john kester and republican challenger matt rosendale. msnbc national correspondent went there to see where they're coming and going. >> john kester is as comfortable on a piece of farm equipment as he is underneath one. born and raised a farmer on this 1800-acre spread, he's had another day job the past seven years. democratic senator from montana. >> are you more comfortable here or in the halls of congress? >> absolutely here. >> mont moana is stunningly beautiful with endless views and pristine waters. amid this expansive quiet, tester is in the fight of his political life. >> matt rosendale means business. >> on the ballot, he's running

against republican the state auditor. >> welcome back to montana, mr. president. >> his looming opponent is donald trump. >> john tester will never drain the swamp. >> the president traveling out to montana for the third time out for revenge against john tester. >> one of the saddest things i've seen is john tester and what he did to a great, great man. admiral ronnie jackson. >> at as the ranking making of the veterans affairs committee, he revealed improper behavior that took down trump's pick for v.a. secretary and trump called for tester's resignation. >> if you had known the president would go after you so hard on ronnie jackson, would you still do it? >> if you look at my job as a united states senator. confirm nominees. i got a job to do. i did my job. >> he won by 20 points.

for his july visit, tester bought ads in newspapers across the state. but roons arepublicans are hitting back on tax cuts and immigration. >> he may look like montana, but he votes like them. >> tester's most effective answer to trump's popularity may be this. >> i think personality plays big here and how montana you are. >> what does that mean? >> every chance tester has, you see him emphasizing his deep roots in montana. how many generations he's been here. the playbook to attack rosendale is to emphasize how he's not been here very long. >> 16 years ago. that's not very long in montana years. >> tester took advantage of a big controversy after rosendale called himself a rancher. >> hurting my cattle, branding the calves. >> but turns out, he didn't own cattle. >> all hat, no cows. >> a campaign so local it's been dubbed the flat top fight for

both candidates' haircut and built around it. >> it's not just how i look. >> you know government need a haircut. >> rosendale declined repeated requests to be interviewed for this story. while tester knows winning another term is a tossup. >> the difference in this race? >> hopefully, it will be my record. chris jansing, montana. the right to know whoo robert mueller's investigation discovers. that's coming up next. ( ♪ )

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disputed. >> i think it's impossible to believe that robert mueller's report won't become public. it's going to become public. people will either leak it or the attorney general at that time will decide to release it. >> ashleigh merchant is here. ashleigh, do you agree with the governor there? >> i don't, i don't think this will become public. i think parts of it might become public but not the entire report. there's different privacy laws that play into factor here. you've got grand jury secrecy. things that grand jurors, that were sent to the grand jurors or discussed in grand jury, they aren't going to become public. you have other things such as executive privilege. confidential informants, different government operatives. things that they have told mueller. those are not likely to become public. we used to have a law that expired in 1999 that allowed these reports to become public. now we don't have that law anymore. it's going to be completely up to the attorney general's office

whether or not they want to put these reports into the public and then whether or not president trump actually allows that. because he could invoke executive privilege on these. he could keep the reports out of the public view. >> the article says that after mueller turns over his report, the doj will decide whether to make it public. it goes on to say after crafting the report that mueller has significant leeway. he can theoretically be as expansive as he wants. likely, mueller will publicly address the questions. >> that's the whole point. mueller doesn't have to put in this report -- he can request budgetary goals and things like that. he can also put in this report if he's got guilty pleas, if he's got indictments, sentencing issues. things that will become public anyway. issues that the american public wants to hear. now, congress can definitely

subpoena him. but what he answers is up to him. how much information he gives, he could give just simple yes or no answers and not elaborate. it depends how much congress is going to probe him and whether or not they're going to put him under subpoena and force him to come and testify. >> mueller has been very quiet. we know about the doj guidelines cautioning prosecutors about making developments around selection. but does his silence tell you anything about where the investigation stands? >> i think mueller is a very keeps things close to the chest. i think he's not going to have leaks. i think that his investigation is wrapping up. i think that we're going to see after the midterm elections, we're going to see more and we're going to hear about his findings. we're going to see if there's any other indictments and those will become public. he's going to keep other findings close to his vest. ashleigh merchant, thanks for being here. that will do it for me. i'm dara brown. thank you for watching. up with david gur a at the top

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