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senator bernie sanders is out on the trail taking on president trump. >> we need people in congress who are going to stabnd up to te pathological liar that is the president of the united states. >> we heard from hillary clinton. >> we see a constant attack on fact was reason and truth and the reality approach. >> it is sunday, october 21st and the democrats are about to bring in their closer. >> one question for you and that is are you fired up? are you fired up? >> just over two weeks before the midterm election, president trump is once again alleging voter fraud as reports of voter suppression come out of georgia. the president also blanketing the media with interviews and all of those back-to-back rallies across the country. his twitter feed relentlessly

plugging across the country. the site got particularly bitter between president trump and former vice president joe biden. two men used to sparring on the campaign trail. >> my god, think of what's going on now? it's all about donald. it's not about anything else. >> sleepy joe biden. we call him 1% joe. >> these rallies are being shredded. they're being shredded by a president. >> she said creepy joe. not sleepy, creepy. >> we refer to refugees as animals, it's the conscious effort to divide the country. >> joining me now on this sunday morning and brendan greeley who was with the financial times and the msnbc national security analyst and former fbi special agent and his book, messing with the enemy contributors, and the founder of lady parts justice.

as a veteran of the show, you've been here many times. pastry plate is here. very kindly by the director of the show. scotty from brooklyn, your approach to this. will you eat during the show? >> i will. i feel like variety is the key on the pastry plate. you will hear from the twitter pastry plate. i'm just warning you. the guy is a little tough on the air and. >> and i might have touched that one with my thumb, so i have to eat that one, as well. >> i don't want to be negative. >> that's a babka. >> that's very good. >> let's get to it, liz. you see joe biden out there. joe biden, and joe biden of the democratic party and who do you feel about who they're bringing in and to move ahead to the next election and the last one. >> every time i watch this and

even on news, it's like when people say do democrats have ideas or are they turning against, you know, the hatred of trump. you can't avoid the hatred of trump before you get to the ideas and there needs to be some kind of marriage of recognize the moral failings of this president and here's what our party does that counteracts that because we never see it and also, man, you know he's exactly my age and to watch these two come back in. if you want to suck the life out of a run, send in the nursing home. >> are we really going to run three guys in their 70s and have them talk about how tough they are? it's biden, trump, sanders. i mean, no one -- we've been talking about youth showing up to the polls. they are not showing up in 2020 for that. it is boring. it is -- it is a replay.

they don't inspire you. they're not talking about any issues. you know, they don't have email. this is not going to --? we'll fact check that one. >>. >> definitely as twitter. >> the point of it is, this is not the future, you know, of our country, and if you look at trump, he wants to create make america great again which is the 1950s with switetwitter, right? i don't know what they represent other than not trump. >> i completely agree with liz and i can describe what the republican platform is, and trump has simplified it. >> he has the pro-second amendment and we support the police and i.c.e. >> and coal, right? on the democratic side you have medicare for all, maybe, i don't know, we're talking about it and i wish that i understood exactly

what that is, and i feel i've had that frustration since 2014 watching that massacre happen. i still didn't know what their platform was then. it's been a long time. >> i think the interesting thing here is as a young woman my biggest issue with the republican party is that we've often been talked down to and it's been amplified if anything. so in looking at the democrats i'm mobilized as a former republican voter to vote for democrats because they're bringing obama out there again. i have not, you know, i've been wondering why they haven't brought him out sooner, quite honestly. because while he may be the old guard here in some ways he is able to turn out the youth vote how many years ago, right? and if we're going go into this election and we're going to mobilize young voters, obama was the person who was able to do that and that was really my first voting election. so i really do think we need to look at that piece of it and realize that that will be engaging for young voters out there, and i think, going

against trump and bringing obama out there is the best thing that the democrats can do at this point in time. >> let's play more tape here and two pieces of tape here and you have president trump talking about joe biden and joe biden talking about president trump to give us the flavor of the relationship of these two men over the years. >> the press always asks me don't i wish i were debating him? no, i wish i could take him behind the gym. that's what i wish. >> we call him 1% biden. he's a real genius. i want to challenge him to a fight behind the barn. >> so this gets us into the marketplace, how do you respond to the kind of attacks the president is levying against the democrats? lizz i'm curious, if they go low, kick them. on the other side let's hold our heads up high and walk down the higher path. we've heard a lot of imitations of abraham clinton and your reaction to that and where that debate stands?

>> it's tricky because you can't bring a powerpoint to a knife fight. that's not the way to go, but by the same token, the people that they are talking to are already in, right? -- >> they're on the other side, as well. >> yes. 100%. if people do that, that's fine. to your point, if you want to bring in voters who are young then talk about their issues. y you already have these other people. when you talk to kids who have gotten out of college or in college with $68,000 worth of debt they have no hope unless you can help them find a way to move forward and if you're not talking about that, i don't know what you're doing. i do not understand what your strategy is because i already know and wow, you know what? all of that other misogyny. that's over for me now because i feel like you're in a path forward with the coal thing. i'm, like, no. >> when they pan out to the

crowds who do you see in the crowds? they're not young people and they're not new voters and they're the energized base on both sides of the party so i think that that's what really needs to be accounted for is those new and independent voters and i know going into midterms, that is the base voters that turn out and there's enough again, anti-trump sentiment out there and enough young people who do not like the direction of the country for the point that you're mentioning. what are you talking about? we're talking about punching each other and this other crap, right? this is getting absolutely absurd. american politics is no longer about helping the american people, it's about helping people in power and that's the biggest issue and this is why there's such an anti-government sentiment that got trump elected and i do think democrats have to do a lot to combat that and take the higher road and show they're not that party. >> let's talk about the appetite is for issues. you have the president talking about things and i don't know

how much he's wading into issues themselves. would it be for democrats come out and talk about issues is the tension and that's the grip. >> i don't know. i'm such an unreliable witness on this. i'm a policy journalist and i want politicians to get out there and -- >> talk about fcc policy, no! of course, that's not what people want. it's what i want. i will say that one thing that the democrats don't seem to have recognized is that the economic growth has changed in the last two years and they missed a chance to talk about a different kind of economic growth. it was something that corey booker two years ago was hinting at and something hillary clinton was hinting at and that if you raise wages they consume more and the path to better, more inclusive economic growth and they never committed to that. they flirted with it. they missed that chance because what has happened is with the fiscal spend that we got. that $300 billion of releasing

the floodgates on federal spending and the tax bill that did do some good on the margins, we have continued an expansion and one thing that we've seen in this expansion is not overall wage growth, but a lot of wage growth at the bottom of the earnings scale and that was something the democrats did not have a plan for and did not have thoughts on except for the minimum wage and it was something that some democrats committed to and now what's happened is the game has moved on. we have seen wage growth at the bottom of the scale and i don't know what the new answer is when they did have one two years ago. >> i'll give you the last word here. republicans have run with that. with the issues on the economy and they've moved on and the republicans have caught it. the problem with the democrats is what is the vision and where are they going? >> if you look at obama, how did he beat the establishment? you had a sense of, okay, i know there's something better out there. we can do better and here's what the vision is, i want to be part

of it, and i want to know what that is and that's all that i hear at this point and i think someone will emerge. if you look at who was the last two presidents and they both came up the year before the election and 2015 and 2007 you started to see this come up. that would be next year. >> i'm looking at, i think all of the stuff that we were pushing around by 2020, next year will be a telling year and if no one emerges, i'll tell you what, it will be trump for another six. >> goodness. >> 17 days until the election until the campaign for 2020 begins in earnest. up next, family liability has the washington post columnist is causing a rift between the president and his son-in-law jared cush perrkushn. we'll be right back. like on that new laptop. quicksilver keeps things simple, gary.

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♪ we'll turn now to the deepening crisis over the killing of jamal khashoggi. law maushgs have stepped up the pressure the white house to take action. democrats and republicans have floated an independent investigation, sanctions and the cancellation of some arms deals. here's what president trump has said about what's happened so far. >> are you satisfied that some of them have been fired? >> i'm not satisfied until we find the answer, but it was a good first step. >> all the while, scrutiny continues to grow over jared kushner's relationship with the saudi crown prince.

"the washington post" last night interviewed president trump for 20 minutes and a u.s. official said he's privately grimaced that his son-in-law's relationship with the crown prince has become a liability and has left the white house with no good options. >> watch the slow evolution and how the white house has approached this issue. read a little bit more of the exclusive washington post app and there's been deception and lies trump said in an interview with "the washington post" in the discrepancies in the change of accounts from the saudis. their stories are all over the place. your sense of what's happening here, what the white house needs to do in light of that preliminary report that we saw from the saudis? >> what's fascinating is we are complicit in a manufactured excuse over several weeks. it's been clear from the outset what happened, and from my opinion, i've always been quite harsh on this. dating back to 2016 donald trump likes to go after ally, but he's gone after the wrong ones.

he wants to beat up on nato and he gives everybody else a pass, particularly authoritarians and this is another case of it. saudi arabia, our relationship really has changed with them. it's gone from dependence on oil to needing the partner in counterterrorism and now weapons sales need to be the reason why we'll essentially compromise our values. we cannot get straight what we want to do and what we believe in in this country and it's fascinating to watch the white house which is always short term transactional and not thinking about the long term. one, weapons sales and how it hurts u.s. business and that's what they're worried about and then, two, what does it is a to the message around the world? it is already evident. this happened because the saudis thought we would let it go, the killing of a journalist. >> that's such a good point. you're saying this happened because of what we heard from the president. >> i believe it was clearly because of president trump's words about journalist and mbs

sees this and says i've been wanting to get rid of journalists myself. we've seen russia go after people in foreign countries and north korea go after people in foreign countries. the world has changed. >> what's interesting to me is i used to always get asked questions because i work in counter terrorism, hey, is it safe to travel around the world because there was a terrorist attack in paris. it was safer and we usually double down security. no one is thinking about our strength as a country around the world. if you're a citizen of the united states traveling around the world, what does this send? do you really think you're safe? do you think if you show up in a place and the country doesn't like your views that we still have that same presence around the world? we don't. it's just not there. >> there was something so explicit in the way the president's talked about this, about this weapons deal and the memo of understanding that he has with saudi arabia. we have suspected that that's

what this president prizes more than anything, the economy or deals like this. he really laid it bare. to the crunch point, the new excuse and say we take it at face value. we didn't mean to kill him. we just wanted to kidnap him. >> and that's acceptable? >> that's acceptable. we did not like his views and we wanted to get him back to saudi arabia. >> to the broader point of economic growth and the saudis, right? the one way to ithink about tha place is a piece of the sovereign wealth fund and they have to talk to whoever the king is. >> they have. so we can talk about weapons sales and i'm old enough to remember in 2015 when the saudis dropped the price of oil down to $25 a barrel so they could kill an american industry. we don't have to like the fracing industry to know that the saudis definitely wanted to kill a huge part of the engine of economic growth in a big part

of this country. they actively went to try to do that, it didn't work and the factors were more productive than they had anticipated. so i don't understand why it is that we forgave them for that and then there's this extraordinary paragraph in "the new york times" this morning. >> saudi arabia is facing its greatest international crisis for the revelation that its citizens carried out an attack in september 11, 2001. why did we ever forgive them for that? why are we allies with these guys? >> i think i want to take it in a different direction because wasn't the rallying point in 2016 among the conservative base or trump's base of voters that the clintons if they were to get power it would stay in the family and now here we are and it's 2018 and wooe talking about jared kushner's relationship with saudi arabia and trump's dealings with saudi arabia, right? this was all stuff that he was able to mobilize voters around against the clintons and the

same type of business dealings and everything that we thought was shady about the clintons is happening and there is no talk about that. now it's just, you know, maybe there is a problem jared kushner's relationship here. why is the media not picking up more on this? maybe because we have an administration that's admonishing journalists and telling them it's okay to be body slammed at rallies. >> let's point a finger to ourselves, every white house has had some kind of compromising relationship with the white house, and there are a lot of companies that are not pulling out of saudi arabia. they might be pulling out of that conference, but think of black rock, one of america's largest finance firms is completely committed in the sovereign wealth fund. also equally committed to saudi arabia, and this is the way we look at foreign money abroad. >> another nugget from "the new york times," steve mnuchin who

said he was going to bow out of that conference is now an ems r emmisary and in an effort to reinforce ties at a time when the united states is seeking to ratchet up pressure on iran. let me go to you lastly here. we talked about jared kushner going back to this interview in "the washington post," there was a remark between he and the crown prince. they're two young guys. jared doesn't know him well or anything. they're just two young people around the same age. they like each other, i believe. i mean, that's a cross. >> unbelievable. >> it's, like, which one? going back to your point, actually, when we talk about family and being steeped in -- you want to talk about steeped in corrupt families, we're

talking about the saudis. i mean, come on. i just look at this and i think just from somebody who -- this is not my wheel house, but to look at where does our moral center move? you know, as somebody who communicates through sattire, my friends are journalists and this is the world i live in. to say we can put someone out there and we are now putting prices on bounties, what does that mean? an arms deal is worth a life and we'll talk about that. i think it really does a reset on who we are as a nation, our moral compass and back to her point, how we get to live in the world. we are people who want to travel the world. we love being global citizens and that's part of who we and are to be able to compromise because you have someone who is saying we do now have a price on life and that is, to your point, is it an arms deal, you know? why do we forgive these people to make our own lives better,

and i think that we need to look at ourselves as that. i don't point to anybody -- >> what's very hard to understand for communicating to trump supporters is it's not drain the swamp. it's fill the swamp. it's obvious and on the surface. the president speaks that. it is open corruption when you watch it. the other part that's just baffling to me is america first is america alone and america alone is railroad, we will suffer for this. we've seen this in terms of how the tariff battles over this and over time this will suffer. if you look at the american worky, if they're not being converted to robotics they are inferior to other workers around the world. >> yeah. >> do you want to be a security guard for the rest of your life around a robot farm or do you want skills to be competitive in the workplace? the other thing that's very clear and vladimir putin says he always does a speech every year

and meaning america first is great, which they push. you worry about you and we'll do our thing, too. we are no longer top dog, and what we've done and what we've seen under trump is president trump -- the president is no longer the most powerful person in the world. it's third, at best. >> he believes he is. >> he thinks he is and he might be at mar-a-lago and at the white house and everywhere else people are laughing and they are moving and that's why you see the saudis taking actions like this and the chinese and the russians are moving aggressively at overtaking this and the president is at best the third most powerful person. we'll leave it there. friends? frenemies and enemies? we take a look at the complicated relationship of d.c.'s odd couple. fidelity is redefining value for investors. introducing zero account fees for brokerage accounts.

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welcome back to "up." i'm david gura. tomorrow president trump heads to the loern star state and he will be in houston in a slightly larger than what was originally planned arena to speak to the faithful and to stump for his favorite enemy. >> you go through wars together and then you get along. ted cruz has become a friend of mine. he's doing great.

>> i want to commend the president in the white house. i think we're moving towards a win-win solution on this. >> president trump and senator ted cruz will share the stage tomorrow as they try to fend off congressman beto o'rourke. it seems they have buried the hatchet and to be fair, it was a pretty big hatchet. >> lyin' ted. holds that bible high and puts it down and then he lies. >> the man is utterly amoral. >> i think he's crazy. honestly, i think he's crazy. >> this man is a path loologica level and a narcissist at a level i don't think this country has ever seen. >> we have to put him away tomorrow. >> donald, you're a sniffling coward and leave heidi the hell alone. >> ted cruz telling "the dallas morning news," bygones are bygones and it was a long time. >> it does feel like a long time. >> your reaction, there's

inherent craftsmen to this, the indignities and the way ted cruz stood up for himself and for his wife. what do you make of this? >> you have to fall in line if you want to get re-elected and we've seen many fall, right? you have senator ben sasse who is outspoken and rest in peace to john mccain who was the lone maverick out there who was really ready to take on the trump administration at every point and turn. we've kind of lost that. i mean, jeff flake, i guess is still around doing that, but no one is sticking around in the senate or in congress to challenge this administration, and i think with ted cruz, he ridiculous oezes threcognizes h and hates his gut and he has to welcome in, and this is the sad situation, you have to let bygones be bygones even if he fundamentally may not like him and disagree with how he approaches policies and he has

to say his economic record is great and texas, here we go! it's going to be a big rallying cry because he needs he knows he needs his support in order to win. >> what accounts for the fear or the spinal softening that we've seen. why is it such a rare thing to stick to one's guns and to dare to do that? what's the risk of doing that in this day and age. >> let's think about ted cruz. president trump goes after his wife, makes up conspiracies about whether he's born in the u.s. >> jfk connection, and then to watch ted cruz, if you remember, i'll never forget him sitting there calling for president trump and as soon as i saw him i was, like, and you are the weakest politician there is. you just got beaten down by that guy and you're turning right around for him and let's compare somebody else in that race. john kasich.

he stuck in what he believed in, i didn't agree with everything john kasich said and this is what i believe and this is what i represent and i'm going to stick through that. if he's amoral then you don't stand on stage with him, ted cruz, if that's what you believe. and so it's fascinating to watch this right now, and he is going to do this and it's because trump controls their base. trump -- i have to pay him a lot of props. he has taken over all of their bases. they cannot go against him in a lot of these red districts and so they will sell their soul to stand on that stage with him, and i mean, when i remember back to 2016 and that phone call and him sitting there on the phone. >> yeah. >> that image just ruined me forever on ted cruz. >> let's jump in quickly. >> i mean, at what point when someone calls your wife garbage do you not look at the career -- i'm not kidding. i am not a driven political

person, but what is it that you can say, hey, heidi, you know what? i know he came after you and just destroyed you, but this is bigger than that. like, that's a thing i judge somebody on and to go back to everything else -- >> it's a republican thing. >> the nucleus of ted cruz. why would you vote for somebody who given the chance to be elected or stand up for his family would take the latter? no! >> i think we also discovered something in that election about the republican party is that the people who believe themselves to be free marketeers and consentives discovered that they're about 10% of that party and so when ted cruz who thought that what he deeply believed in animated the republican party learned that that's not true at all. >> right. >> and that trump still has 80 and 85% approval within the

republican party. that's what the party is. if you want to be a republican you have to be a trumpian republican. >> whether we like that he is the standard bearer of the republican party and if we're going to accept that as the new normal, this is no longer the republican party that any of us here grew up with or knew and that's what joe biden was talking about on the campaign trail yesterday this is not your father's republican party. this is an extreme version of it. we don't know what the word conservative means anymore. it used to mean economic principles and freedoms and now it's just become -- i honestly don't know. i don't have a word for it. it's just sad and we talk about family values. ted cruz is a champion of this and then oh, heidi, it's okay, right? we'll welcome him here to get me re-elected and it's a power that you do not want to be messing around with, but that's what we welcome with in american politics. >> it's what we learned -- and i'm going to give you this, with

the reference. >> and hopefully the last? >> we'll see. >> coming up, with just 16 days to go until voters cast their ballots and there are new questions about the safety and integrity. >> how is it? good? >> he points fingers at everyone, but russia. you're in the business of helping people. we're in the business of helping you. business loans for eligible card members up to fifty thousand dollars, decided in as little as 60 seconds. the powerful backing of american express. don't do business without it.

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♪ ♪ do you believe that the russians interfered in the 2016 campaign -- election? >> well, they meddled, but i think china meddled, too. >> why don't you think the russians meddled. >> because i think china meddled also and i think frankly, china is a bigger problem. >> the trumpian also in full effect there in the "60 minutes" interview. china is's bigger threat than russia when it comes to

interference and the first charges were filed friday against a russian citizen. they are concerned about ongoing campaigns by russia, china and iran to interfere in american politics. on the front lines of all this, of course, are social media companies including facebook and reddit. both those organizations have set up war rooms to take down the information and fake accounts in realtime or so we hope. >> you wrote the book on this, quite literally. that criminal complaint. some of the names are familiar here, concord saw it in 2016 and it strikes me as watching all of this unfold and there's been talk about robert mueller and we're not seeing that through the trees and upon i don't think a lot has been accomplished. >> what's fascinating about the complaint, it was the indictment from the special counsel mueller is tied to this complaint that came out in two different cases

and not involved in this one? >> not involved in this one. >> this is fbi at its core work digging in deep and what's fascinating is it didn't stop after the election in 2016 which has been kind of what my team has been pushing and it just continued on. russia plays a zero-sum game with us, if we don't respond they just keep going and when we need them then they stop and that never happened and when we look at this indictment, it looks like they play on social issues and one of the top names that they are pushing still is voter fraud and we heard about that from anyone else. we have americans eroding integrity and the russians helping them along and the way they were talking about this, one of the complaints and russia's interference wasn't that sophisticated and i usually hear this from the elite left. >> they should go look at that indictment and they give out daily, pretty much specific instructions and vulnerable populations in the u.s. to influence them. it also talked about targeting marco rubio which i mentioned

marco rubio when i testified in the senate. so republicans are getting beat up by this propaganda machine while their colleagues are rushing to moscow to have meetings with russian legislators. >> forgot about that. >> so how do you feel if you're marco rubio or john mccain when your colleagues are rushing to build relationships. >> super fast. >> what's interesting i hear the president talking about china let's look at what a disinformation is, it's hacking infrastructure and no evidence of that. he needs to put it out there if it's there. do we have state-sponsored propaganda that they're penetrating the u.s. audience space? no, we do not. they know rt now and they don't know china daily news and those sorts of things. >> do we have covert persona that talk like americans that are trying to convince voters about issues? no. there's been no evidence offered about that. this is a pivot because the

president wants his base to hate on china. this is the war that he wants. the war that he has is russia and he doesn't even want to talk about it. it struck me in reading the complaint how politically agnostic it is. the degree to which this is about sowing division and sowing confusion in this country, that is so catastrophic. >> can't even tell you the amount of things that i've seen pushed on facebook. if we were to look back in 2016 because i'm a recovering republican was all trump, trump, trump, and i'm reading through some of these stories and i'm reading people actually believe this, and that was a real problem. i applaud facebook for taking some of these steps and it's almost to the point of complete regulation without the government stepping in. >> self-regulation and you're seeing a lot of these ads now, are you offended by something you've seen and is this too overtly political and do you think this is true and there's a whole disclaimer and i applaud

them for taking these steps and these stories are still being shared and they're still leading to a larger discussion about what we're putting into the public sphere and that base of trump supporters buys who into what is being written and they're speaking out on rallies and that's the type of fire brand that trump is, right? he can go out there and say something that's not true and everyone believes it and i think that is the largest issue with the social media companies because he tweets out things that are false every single day and no one is fact checking him anymore because we know this to be true. >> there's a broader problem with the social media companies and we want to fix this company, but you can't do it on scale. no. that is the problem, right? . there was a profile in the new yorker and acting like a college sophomore, like, what is truth,

man? and as somebody who would spend his entire career in newsroom, and one of them with david gura, there are ways of figuring this out, right? there are habits that you can get into and things you can learn from editors older than you and there are ways to smell bad news and make sure you verify it six times before you publish. this stuff is not new. the problem is it's very, very expensive. mark zuckerberg can fix the problem and he can fix the problem and make a lot of money and he doesn't realize that and much less upon gragrapple it. >> i'm a stand-up comic. if i do a show that's a satirizing show. one of my organization, i would file it and we would not be able to get ads up facebook to promote our shows because of the names of the show or whafs doing

and i would say i'm a comedian. here's show the and a graphic and if you put trump's head on a whatever did i that, i probably can't say here, you can't do that without following these steps and take it down, and so in trying to fix the problem, it's, like, quit swatting and how do you figure out how the problem actually is not and where the problem is. >> we'll leave it there. coming up on "up," slinging barbs. vice president biden dueling in the desert as president trump waits in the wings to campaign on what's been one of the most contested races of the year. we'll be right back. endless shrimp is back at red lobster.

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do you know what i said? do you know what i said? i said when i came out here, i said, nobody says it the other way, it has to be nevada. >> i have actually heard the opposite of that so i'm going to keep saying nevada. they do not call them battle ground states for nothing, things are getting hot in nevada. president trump stumping for dean heller in elko, meanwhile vice president joe biden joined congresswoman and senate candidate jackie rosen in the strong hold of las vegas. tomorrow the bill billing former president obama rallying voters in sin city. two presidents visiting nevada over the course of three days. we have no nevadens at the table. dean haller, 47% of the vote, jackie rosen with 45%.

to what degree are you watching this as a litmus of what's going to happen in the other races around the country. you look at the general polling in this country, odds of democrats getting control of the senate aren't great. what's this race going to tell you, the outcome of it? >> for me it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, this is a different economy than 2016, with he keep looking back to what happened when hillary clinton won the state, in the meantime the one thing that has happened is that service and hotel workers have a ton more bargaining power than they did two years ago. you could conceivably credit that to trump and the republican party. >> this is the amped up harry reid machine. >> yes. but they're striking all over the country and one of the reasons they're strike something because they have the power to do it and they've seen wage gains. they want more predictable hours, there are a ton of things that they want. this he feel like they are in a position to ask for them now and they make more money than they did two years ago. when we look at particularly that state, there are aspects of it that you can't compare to

2016 and we have to recognize that the economy is different now. that's -- so when i look at that state that's what that says to me. >> i will put up a map of nevada in 2016. hillary clinton 47.9% of the vote, donald trump with 45.5%. liz, you're telling jokes, you are also focused on races around the country. >> my dad was also a bookie. >> that is why i just went to you. >> i know. >> your read on this, though. when we look at what we heard over the course of the weekend, president trump talking about immigration an awful lot, yes, the name calling and insults we have come to expect, wacky jackie rosen is what he calls the congressional candidate. how important is this state? >> a state that hillary won by very small margins in these -- >> discrete blocks. >> it's a mini california kind of thing. i think that what it tells me more than anything else is, you know, you watch heller do everything we talked about last time, backtracking, memory was like -- >> so far away.

>> you know, he was actually an advocate for obamacare and that has all changed now, too. i think especially in a state that has, like you said, that super strong hotel union, i don't know. honestly -- i honestly think with a woman on the ticket, that's super important right now, and i also think that obama going in is super important. i also think people discount like there is a lot of young people and families that live in nevada because of there is no state tax, right? so you have that growth of people going there and that's going to make a difference. i went there and stumped for bernie early on in like january of that year and the amount of young people that came to these house parties was astounding. so i think we're discounting that and i think we're discounting hispanic voters too. >> i wanted to ask you about the

immigration. he keeps talking about immigration, keeps talking about healthcare, astoundingly, keeps talking a lot about healthcare. your reaction to those two policy points. >> the immigration thing, i will say when it comes to democrats we had some people coming out saying, right, that they were going to abolish i.c.e. that's not going to work with an independent new voter base because that's not something that energizes them. it does energize the base, though, those two issues are things that will continue to energize both, i believe, republicans and democrats, but to liz's point you've got new voters, young voters and independent voters and that, i think, is where all of this will fall in the midterms. if that block can be energized it will not be on those issues. it's going to be the anti-trump sentiment, i think, and that may happen in nevada. >> thanks to all of you on this sunday morning, joining me here in new york. when we come backs, new polling on the democrats chance to take back congress coming out

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♪ good morning, welcome back to "up" i'm david gura. in 16 days we will see if the balance of power shifts in

washington, d.c. while president trump is not on the ballot, he is campaigning like he is. >> a vote for morrisey is a vote for me. >> a vote for marcia is really a vote for me. >> and a street for cindy is a vote for me. >> a vote for me. >> a vote for me. >> i'm not on the ballot, but in a certain way i'm on the ballot, so please go out and vote. >> the first grader's vote was for me. >> what are voters saying about the midterms? nbc news and the "wall street journal" have released a brand-new poll and it shows rare bipartisan consensus. 80% surveyed say that the u.s. is divided. that's not the biggest surprise of the polling data. what else does it tell us about the state of the electorate? we will dig into it with my panel here. felipe ryan, christina greer is professor of political science and paul butler is legal analyst