>> it's in my mom's basement. she's moved a couple of times, and it's in her basement. > welcome to "kasie dc." i'm kasie hunt. we're live every sunday from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern and 4:00 to 6:00 pacific. tonight we're live from los angeles as the path to control congress runs through california. democrats try to surf the wave. or is it a tsunami or a tornado or just a dust devil? it's all swirling as interest in the election reaches historic levels. plus, ron wyden joins me live as republicans fam cain on saving coverage for pre-existing conditions. it was republicans trying to get rid of that health care coverage in the first place.

plus -- saudi arabia admits columnist jamal khashoggi is dead but for many the statement amounts to a coverup instead of an explanation. first, though, early voting is under way in much of the country and starts and states like florida and texas coming up tomorrow. and that means the midterms are here. you can basically ignore the number at the bottom of your screen. the president's popularity is surging, up 47% among registered voters in the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. that's higher than president obama's approval ahead of the 2010 midterms. people's preference for who controls congress appears to be shifting back in favor of democrats. opening up a nine-point advantage among likely voters. that's in large part because of the increase in enthuse ymp we've seen. the percentage of black women, southern voters, women under 50 and republican base voters who say this election is more important than ones in past years have all increased by double digits since august.

and it has led to shifting weather conditions for our team of political forecasters. >> the blue wave -- >> projected blue wave. >> blue wave. >> this green wave. >> a pink wave. >> some kind of a red wave. >> is it a wave or tsunami? well, in either case there's little drops of water. >> it could be a tsunami, a middle sized wave, a small wave. >> i don't think it's a blue wave. a little green wave to it on money. but it's more like a tornado that will touch down in spots. but i see the weather has changed in the last two weeks. >> that last man, congressman kevin mccarthy, probably the closest to being right at this particular moment in time. some of the movement appears to be because of the brett kavanaugh confirmation fight. some of it from the natural ramp up ahead of any big election. the simple reality is in many places, it's not just national factors at play. democrats have seen conventional and unconventional candidates

fade in some places. in other places like virginia and illinois, the candidates in their governors and senate races could impact those critical house elections, often in democrats' favor. so the chess board is changing in real time, especially as both parties move money from one race to another. of course, the president is trying to get the last word when it comes to democrats. >> even if they win the house, it's going to be just fighting, fight, fighting. it's going to be -- we'll be -- you love my hair? thank you. she knows what to say. these people have seen me under every condition known to man. i haven't heard that one in over a year. my whole life they said, is it or isn't it? barbara walters interviewed me. do you mind if i play with your hair? remember that? and then numerous people have done that. but that's okay. but the choice could not be more clear. democrats produce mobs. republicans produce jobs.

>> an interesting digression. with that, i want to welcome in my panel. white house bureau chief for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst phil rucker. the host of kabc radio's the drive home, john philips and moveon.org's kareen jean-pierre. thank you for being near los angeles. our first "kasie dc" trip on the road. phil rucker, i want to start with you for a scene setter of the president's mood. it's been an interesting couple of days for the white house. they've been trying to deal with what's going on with saudi arabia and manage that relationship while at the same time the president has been hop-scotching across the country. is there a sense that the white house and the president himself feels like he's in control of this midterm election now or is he starting to feel antsy and some pressure to change the game? >> the president knows he can't control this election.

he can never control an election but especially because he's not on the ballot. but he's trying to do everything he can to influence it and control it and he feels emboldened. he feels like this kavanaugh confirmation was a big political victory for him and that he's going to get out there on the trail which he's been doing almost every day and i think in the final ten days or so we're going to see him doing rallies almost every night. to try to gin up his base and turn out his core supporters and influence these elections as closely as best that he can. the polling is against him, obviously. there's predictions of democratic victories but trump is trying to just find every single trump voter throughout in places like montana and arizona and nevada where he was the past couple of days and get them out for republicans. >> and convince them this is a referendum on him. the approval rating for the president stuck out to me in our new poll. how nervous are democrats you're talking to now about how this election might turn in these

final weeks? >> so when i see that poll, it says to me, okay, republicans are probably coming home, which would make sense as we head closer to the midterm elections, 16, 15 days tomorrow. and so it actually makes sense. what is worrisome, i would -- if i were a republican is the independents. they're still losing independents and women. so, yeah, this number at 47, still historically low. but there are pockets in there that i would be really concerned. but the thing that when i look at just what's happening now as you said in the beginning of the show, people are voting right now in georgia, in tennessee. we've seen some really high levels of people coming out early voting, and we've seen some high levels of people just registering to vote. which i think benefits democrats. historically we've seen that. so the electorate is really kind of -- it's different than we have ever seen it in a midterm and so that's the thing that i am curious to see, okay, what does that mean on november 6th because if that's the case, that is incredibly beneficial to

democrats. and that is not beneficial to republicans. >> i'm interested to see what impact when we look back at the polling we're seeing now, how that changes. john philphilips, the path to control congress runs straight through here, this area where you live. what your seeing on the ground as you talk to people and cover the races here in california that sort of suggest to you which way these winds are blowing?

>> i suspect what's going to happen, as we get closer to the election, people are going to come home. and so many of these congressional districts that are in play this time around are traditional republican strongholds. the central valley of california, orange county. and so with the president trying to nationalize this election, i think it's going to increase those republican voters who are

thinking, maybe i'll sit on the fences. i don't know if you picked up on this but your president has a bit of an ego. so the fact that he's out there making this election about himself, i think helps a lot of these vulnerable republicans because if you go back -- >> do you think california republicans are trump republicans? this seems to be a place where that didn't line up the same way it does in other places. >> go back to the 2016 election and you had a very contentious

moment after the republican convention where ted cruz refused to endorse the nominee when he gave his speech. and what did donald trump say at the press conference right after that? you have to support me. you have to get behind me because the supreme court. and ultimately, many of those people fell in line. the other thing -- >> you think that's true here? >> i think that's true here. the other issue that got a lot of nontraditional republicans is the issue of immigration and trade. with this caravan we're seeing coming north to the united states, immigration and trade are back on the agenda right now. both of those issues help him with people who traditionally don't vote for the gop. >> another issue that traditionally helps is taxes. yesterday in nevada, trump told

reporters that republicans are getting ready to introduce another, quote, major tax cut ahead of the midterms this november. >> we are going to be putting in and are studying very deeply right now, around the clock, a major tax cut for middle income people. not for business at all, for middle income people. now the last was for middle income and for business and our business is now coming back because of it. but we loorking at kevin brady's working on it. paul ryan is working. we're all working on it. and we're looking at a major tax cut for middle income people who need it. >> what was your time frame for that? >> some time around the 1st of november, maybe a little before that. >> important to note congress not in session until after election day. nbc news has reached out to the white house for more specifics and clarification on that timing. they, of course, have yet to respond. phil rucker, this strikes me as republicans tried to message on the tax cut for corporations. they put it up in ads in special elections and found that actually it had very little impact with their voters. >> and this seems to be clearly a message pitch that trump had there to just reintroduce the idea of a tax cut into the political blood stream before these elections. but it's not the decisive issue for a lot of voters. we're seeing as you were saying, immigration and trade being a there's a big turn being made, folks. a lot of these sanctuary cities you've been hearing about in california and other places, but california, they want to get out. they are demanding they'd be released from sanctuary cities. nbc's gabe gutierrez is live in southern mexico. gabe, what are you seeing and hearing from the people that you've been talking to over the

course of the last days? >> hi there, kasie. more and more migrants are starting to arrive at this park in southern mexico to spend the night. building a makeshift tend behind me. ambulances as well. the mexican government hoped to stop this caravan at its southern border but that just didn't happen. tonight the migrant caravan is growing. the group fleeing violence and poverty in central america has pushed through mexico's southern border and many mexicans are joining in as they move forward. mariana atencio is there.

>> this is a massive exodus of about 7,000 people and they're making their way to tapa chula, the mofts important city here in the southern part of the country. a critical juncture for this caravan. it's where the prior caravan reorganized to move north to the united states. >> translator: we're going to keep moving forward, this man says. he's been professionaling for -- traveling for more than a week with his 2-year-old

daughter. they say they won't use force to stop the migrants. patience is wearing thin. rather than wait in this line to apply for refugee status in the heat, some desperate migrants have decided to cross into mexico illegally. we met this woman as she climbed onto a raft hoping to eventually reach the u.s. she doesn't believe applying for refugee status will work. she's afraid to return to hon dur as. >> we live in a terrible situation in our country, she

says. telling us her son was beaten by the military. but others are turning around, boarding buses back to honduras. >> has it been very hard? rosa made the gut-wrenching decision because of her 4-month-old daughter. for her there was too much at risk. kasie, the mexican government is urging these migrants to stop at local shelters and apply to stay in this country. but many of them say they plan to continue heading north towards the u.s. tomorrow. kasie? >> nbc's gabe gutierrez, thanks for that report. karine, you know, those images right ahead of the midterm elections play right into many of the, you know, quite frankly, fear-stoking ads that republicans have been airing. they've been focused on immigration as what they present as a big problem in the run-up to this. how potentially damaging is this? both for the country and i want to make sure we focus on the people coming from dire straights so that -- but then also the politics of it. >> they're putting everything on the line to come here because of what's happening in their country. instead of the u.s. coming up

with policies to help their economic situation, what donald trump is doing is basically using a bullhorn to push hateful rhetoric on immigration which is really sad. it goes back to what we were just talking about before about, you know, the administration, the gop, they've been in control for two years. and this is what they want to end on. this is the closing argument on hate because they can't sell their tax increase for the rich. they can't sell what they did with obamacare trying to repeal and take away health care from 32 million people. it's really sad. what's happening is donald trump is trying to stoke up this hate and really rev up his base who, really, a lot of his base came out just for him in 2016. and so now he's telling them, i need you to vote for this generic republican. generic republicans across the country. it's really tough for him to do. that's what he's doing, but he's also going to hurt himself with independents and women as i said earlier because they're going to look at this, in house seats in particular, and it's unfortunate this is the closing argument for republicans. >> and a lot of women and independent voters certainly when i've talked to some consulants, they say when people are thinking about immigration they're also remembering migrant children separated from their families and that issue cut the other way in many cases. >> i do believe the knee-jerk reaction is for law and order, also. when you look at those images, what you saw was lawlessness, chaos. the mexican government not able to control a situation. it wasn't safe for the people who are part of the caravan, nor is it safe for the police officers trying to enforce the law. it's not safe for some of those in those communities when you have situations like this. if you go back and look at that map in 2016 and look at the states that donald trump won that people like mitt romney lost, it was all in the rust belt and because of issues exactly like this. and if you look at the map, the u.s. senate map where a lot of these hotly contested seats are, that issue played in the presidential race in those states and it's going to play again this november. >> we haven't even talked about the difference between the house and senate landscapes which this issue is going to cut differently there. still to come -- we'll dig deeper into key races so you have a better understanding of what's happening across the country. plus, health care becomes a flash point. senator ron wyden of oregon

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leave no room behind with xfi pods. simple. easy. awesome. click or visit a retail store today. welcome back. during the 2014 midterm elections, republican candidates ralied around a promise to repeal and replace obamacare. this time around they are vowing to protect one of the key provisions. guaranteeing coverage for people with pre-existing conditions. >> i'm josh hawley. i support forcing insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions. >> taking on both parties and fighting for those with pre-existing conditions. >> i'm fighting to protect pre-existing conditions and increase funding for nevadans who need it most. >> kevin cramer voted for guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions. >> meanwhile, the trump justice department has refused to defend the affordable care act in court issuing challenges to provisions

that ban insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. in an interview with reuters, mitch mcconnell called congress' failure to repeal the health care law his one disappointment of this congress. he also said, if we had the votes to completely start over, we'd do it. but that depends on what happens in a couple weeks. president trump, meanwhile, tweeted this week, all republicans support people with pre-existing conditions. and if they don't, they will after i speak to them. joining me to discuss all of this is democratic senator ron wyden of oregon. it's good to see you. >> thank you, kasie. >> i want to start with what we are hearing as this kind of over and over and over again message now from republican candidates that they support pre-existing conditions. i think it's important to point out that the policy that was built with obamacare relies on everyone having insurance coverage in order to essentially

make the books work to provide coverage for those who are sicker than those who are well. so i'm wondering, what do you take away from the fact that republicans are suddenly sounding this note over and over again on the campaign trail? >> the republicans are just reeling on this health care issue, kasie. one other big development and then we'll touch on pre-existing. the majority leader mitch mcconnell started a whistle stop tour this week saying that if republicans were in control in 2019, they would put on the chopping block medicare and social security. their earned benefits. the reason they're doing it is their tax bill has produced such big deficits. so the republicans are dealing with a one-two punch. the first was pre-existing conditions. they want to go back to the days when health care was for the healthy and wealthy. that's what you have if you allow discrimination against those with pre-existing conditions which the trump people are trying to do in federal court.

and then incredibly, mitch mcconnell has said that if they are in control in 2019, there's no question, instead of trying to roll back some of the tax breaks for the folks at the top, they'll be targeting social security and medicare earned benefits. >> i'm glad you raised that, senator. we have those comments from mitch mcconnell cued up. i want to let our viewers take a look at those. >> it's driven by the three big entitlement programs that are very popular. meds care, social security and medicaid. that's 70% of what we spend every year. there's been a reluctant to tackle that because of the popularity of those programs. hopefully we'll get serious about this. we haven't been yet. >> those comments have been seized on by many democrats, including joe manchin who has been trying to warn voters. do you think those comments there and the effect of them is

going to be enough to counteract the effect we've seen, the fallout from the kavanaugh hear,s and the increased republican enthusiasm? >> i do. and the reason i feel that way, kasie is that these health issues are so personal to people. we were talking about pre-existing conditions. if millions and millions of americans from sea to shining sea go to bed realizing that the trump administration wants to take away protections for those with pre-existing conditions, that is a very personal issue. that's the kind of issue you vote. same with the mcconnell comments where he's talking about how he really wants to put on the chopping block earned benefits. those social security and medicare benefits are a lifeline for millions of people and mitch mcconnell, instead of rolling back some of the goodies for the special interest and the powerful, he's going to target the seniors. >> i want to talk about the future of the democratic party

because one thing we've seen in the last couple of days is quite a few of your colleagues, certainly they're campaigning for midterm election candidates but they happen to be going to states where there are competitive races but that stand to play a role come two years from now. and some have openly said they're considering running for president in 2020. and my first question to you on this is, who do you think right now is the leader of the democratic party? >> well, kasie, my wife kids me that i might be perhaps the only person in the senate not running for president, and i said, well, somebody ought to stick around the finance committee and work on taxes and health care and getting funding for roads. i think it's fair to say that right after the 2018 election, we are going to have lots of folks in the field. and i think the american people are going to be very substantive. we've been talking about health care. they're going to want to know, for example, who -- >> i'm not hearing a name. >> pardon me?

>> i'm not hearing a name. >> you'll hear lots of names. and that's why i was kidding about perhaps being one of the few, if maybe the only who is not running. but i do think -- >> let me put it this way. >> as soon as the elections are over, we'll have plenty. >> one debate that i've heard privately in talking to many of the people who are thinking this through is how should the democratic party deal with the failure of 2016 and try and, you know, move ahead and actually win the presidency in 2020? there seems to be two schools of thought. one is that you need to win offer the white male voters in the midwest who turned away from barack obama and to donald trump. but the other one says, no, actually the party needs to focus on communities of color, on young voters, people that are going to grow the party in the long term. which strategy is the right one

for your party? >> my sense is democrats don't win by pitting those two groups against each other. democrats win -- we've been looking at your polls. health care costs are the number one issue. we're going to come out and target, for example, the middle men who are ripping off the health care system. we're spending $3.5 trillion on health care this year. if you divided it up among all the americans, you can send everybody -- every family of four a check for $40,000. so people want to see who is going to control health care costs. not pitting those two groups that you just mentioned against each other. >> all right. senator ron wyden, not a presidential candidate in 2020 but thank you. i will see you on capitol hill when you come back. >> you can count on it. when we return, we'll talk about the flux in key senate races and how the president got more than one skeptical republican to warm up to him. we're back from l.a. after this. migraine with botox®.

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said he was, quote, 100% against clinton and 99% against trump. fast forward to the rally yesterday. >> now, mr. president, you know a little bit about gold. in fact, i think everything you touch turns to gold. the minds here in elko and next door in eureka county produce more coal, more gold here than anywhere else in the country. welcome to gold country. mr. president, thank you for making america work again. >> meanwhile, the president will head to texas tomorrow to campaign for senator ted cruz. who was one of his last rivals standing during the 2016 campaign. in fact, his last rival standing. over the course of that

campaign, senator cruz called then-candidate trump a pathological liar, a sniffling coward, a serial philanderer and utterly amoral. >> how do we make sense of this relationship? >> listen, 2016 was an election unlike any other. it was bare knuckle and there were some hard shots. on all sides there were hard shots. that election is over. >> so is he your friend? your foe? how do you describe the relationship? >> he's the president. i work with the president in delivering on our promises. >> okay. joining us from washington is nbc news correspondent leigh ann caldwell and our panel is here. phil rucker, i want to start with you because i've always wondered. this president is somebody who takes loyalty seriously. and a lot of the aides and forgive me, you may remember the term they've applied to the "access hollywood" period of time, but they remember who was with them and who was against them. >> a real litmus test moment. >> there are some people now where he's swallowed his pride and he's gone out to support

people like dean heller who abandoned him in that moment. how much convincing did it take to get the president to that point? >> the president is going out to campaign with them because they want him here and they've been suplicants while he's been president. dean heller has been saying flattering things publicly and privately to trump to sort of win his favor to make amends. i was with them two or three months ago when trump was in las vegas for his first campaign appearance with dean heller. it was really rather awkward. they both see a mutual beneficial relationship here where they can both benefit from it. and you see the same thing happening with ted cruz when they have their rally tomorrow in houston. >> john, this is a dynamic we'll see more and more of. even if you look at senators up come 2020, people like lindsay graham and mitch mcconnell, they need to hug the president more than ever because the basic threat to them would be a primary that -- where he supported a challenger.

>> politics makes for strange bedfellows. we're sitting here in california where if you go back to the 1992 presidential race between bill clinton and jerry brown, the things that jerry brown said about hillary clinton and bill clinton in that race, some of those things you really can't go back on, but they did and now they're one big happy family again. >> officially anyway. leigh ann caldwell, the race you were just covering in tennessee with bredesen and marsha blackburn. interesting dynamics there. what did you take away from that in the wake of the kavanaugh hearings? >> tennessee is in play and that's a big deal for democrats. a democrat has not won the senate seat there since al gore in 1990. but what we did learn is phil bredesen, the democratic candidate was leading in the

polls or close in the polls throughout the summer but the dynamics of the race seems to have changed since the battle to confirm supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. i sat down with bredesen earlier this week in nashville. here's what he had to say. >> i think what's happening is with the way in which the kavanaugh hearings proceeded and sort of how much -- how partisan they became and how bitter at the end, it tends to bring people back to their party. remember, i'm a republican. i'm a democrat. and i think that's happened all over the country and certainly has happened here and here in tennessee. >> speaking of kavanaugh, you said that you would support him. you also said that you believed christine blasey ford more than you didn't. what does that mean and how did that translate into support of

him? >> you know, i would look at the role of a senator as -- really as a check in balance on the suitability of somebody. i think as presidents are entitled to appoint people of their political views and values to these offices. and the job of the senate isn't to just make sure they're qualified for the job. i was disgusted, there's no other word, the way both parties handled this proceeding. i'd love to get back to the days when a ginsburg could get 95-plus votes and a scalia could get 95 plus votes. i like to look at it from the perspective of i thought this person was qualified for the job. i did think that dr. ford was certainly believable. in the end, i didn't think the weight of the evidence was there to really say that's enough to

overturn the president's choice. just tried to act independently in that. there was no right answer in that politically. just, you know, these things just sort your way through. how do you think about this thing and the question in my mind was, was the evidence there to really say no? and i didn't feel it was. >> so kasie, that kavanaugh fight reminded voters this is a national race. that the control of the senate is at stake. and even though bredesen said he would support kavanaugh if he were in the senate, he still needs those republicans in this republican state who are not comfortable with marsha blackburn to vote for him. but the dynamics of this race after the kavanaugh fight has changd and the race has tightened. some polls are showing blackburn in the lead. >> leigh ann caldwell, thanks for that. still to come -- the closing arguments in the midterms are starting to feel a lot like the opening salvos of 2020. some of democrats' biggest names are traveling to sports that rhyme with schmoo hampshire. headliners featuring california governor jerry brown. "kasie dc" live from los angeles is back after this. after weeks of denials, saudi arabia finally officially acknowledged jamal khashoggi's death. now claiming the columnist died after a fist fight with over a dozen men.

after weeks of denials, saudi arabia finally officially acknowledged jamal khashoggi's death. now claiming the columnist died after a fist fight with over a dozen men. president trump has long been

reluctant to criticize the kingdom but in an interview with "the washington post" last night, he said, quote, obviously, there's been deception and there's been lies. still, the president has yet to place any blame on saudi crown prince mohammad bin salman who has a close relationship with jared kushner. the president saying, quote, there are two young guys. jared doesn't know them well over anything. they are just two young people. they are the same age. they like etch other, i believe. karine, what is the impact here? this is one of those rare circumstances where i was watching all the shows this morning and i heard tom tillus on "meet the press" say i agree with dick durbin on this. everyone is condemning the saudis except the president.

the furthest he's gone is what we heard there in the post. >> it's really disturbing to be quite honest with you. it encapsulates the trump presidency of the last two years which is embracing authoritarian regimes, lying, putting his financial interests ahead of the country's. and it really is unfortunately -- it's taking away from what our nation is supposed to be. really fighting for human rights. and standing up with our allies as well. and it is just really disturbing every time i hear the story. it really just kind of tells you all you need to know about the trump administration. >> phil rucker, you have new reporting on this? >> i talked to a number of foreign policy experts over the weekend who said, look, this is the president abdicating america's historic role as a beacon for morality and foreign policy where we make foreign policy decisions not solely based on a commercial self-interest or short-term sort of benefit for our economy which is the argument trump has been making and staying so close to the saudis, but based on a sense of morality and values that we want to promote around the world and trump is not doing that with his refusal to stand up to saudi arabia. and we know from studying donald trump over the years, nothing is more important to him than projecting strength and being seen as strong. and the danger for him in not confronting the saudis as directly as he could be is that he'll be seen as weak. and that other authoritarian leaders like kim jong-un would see him as weak and somebody that could be taken advantage of. >> is it your sense, republican senators that i talk to all seem to be on the same page with this which is that saudi arabia needs to be punished and will republican voters also see the need to stand up for human rights and to not be seen as weak on the world stage? >> this is a strange one because everyone involved in the story is a pathological liar. before you act on anything, i would make sure we know for 110% certainty just exactly what happened there, what the motivation was, who exactly did what.

i would caution people, particularly democrats, to try to make political hay out of this at this juncture because there's so much that we don't know. i saw julian castro was on one of the cable shows suggesting that this was a result of jared giving a hit list to the saudis and, therefore, that's why this happened. so i would stay away from all of that. >> joaquin castro did clarify that after on twitter but continue. >> i'd be careful with this one because there's still a lot we don't know about. >> there are a lot of facts that are known. jamal khashoggi went into the saudi consulate in turkey. he was killed october 2nd. that seems clear. there's evidence that the turks have that there were 15 saudi agents who flew to istanbul who executed jamal khashoggi, dismembered him. there's audio recordings. there's a growing body of evidence. clearly this is not all like on videotape that we can watch in a concrete way but there's enough evidence and enough intelligence that i think the administration -- >> we still don't even know where the body is, right? >> the body was dismembered. >> and we do know that at the very least the president is now saying, okay, the saudis in some way have lied about this.

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hi, i'm jason alexander. star of stage, screen and mcdonald's commercial from 1986. today is between dana joining us by a secure server from moscow. dana, can you hear us? >> if you're not going to let me say anything, it's good-bye. >> i'll take that as a net.

>> net. welcome back. here in california seven republicans represent districts where hillary clinton won in 2016 and one of those republicans, dana is neck and neck with harley rouda. sir, thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> thanks. glad to be on the show. >> for those of us that cover dana from washington, how do you explain from your district, his affinity for the russians, that that ad was making fun of? >> well, that's the hard part. it's tough to explain from meeting with russian operatives, individuals who have been identified as russian spies, to taking checks from convicted felon paul manafort to having a code name from the kremlin. this is difficult to explain and when you talk to constituents,

regardless where they are, they recognize that this has very little to do with creating jobs here in orange county, helping their families, helping their community, helping their schools and kids. there is a lot of questions to be answered. >> do you get the sense that the people that you hope to represent, do they care about dana's posture towards russia or is it a non-issue in the race? >> depends where they are on the spectrum. regardless, again, it shows his lack of understanding what are the real needs in the district by spending so much time on behalf of russia.

i think it a really interesting thing is the interview with mueller, as well as the interview he had with the house intelligence committee. you know, the interview he had with the house intelligence committee has not been released, and we're trying to figure out what dana is trying to hide. why won't he demand why it's released. we have a footnote that said he met with two russian spies and he knew they were russian spies. >> your opponen accused you of saying you want to i'm peach president trump and so i'm wondering where you stand on that. do you think there is evidence that suggestions this president should be impeached? >> dana will say anything. i've been very specific all along that we need to make sure that mueller has the time to do the breath and depth his investigation deserves and paying off and we just look at the number of indictments that have come down. so i believe we need to wait and see that investigation come to conclusion, let's see what it

says, let's go from there. >> let's talk about immigration because it has been so much in the news with the caravan coming towards the border and the potential path to citizen ship for dreamers. is that something you would support? would you support a path to citizenship for dreamers and allowing them to sponsor parents for legal status here in the united states?

>> i do think we need to have a path towards citizen ship for the dreamers but more important, let's go back in time to 2013, senate bill 744 passed with bipartisan support 2-1 that provided $46 billion for port and border security and pathway to citizen ship for dreamers that went to the house representatives where they never let it get to the floor to be voted on even though there was majority support. that's the problem we got with the system and why i'm running. we have too many politicians that care about themselves and living off taxpayers' dollars and dana's case, 30 years and we need to get folks willing to reach across the aisle and put country and community first. >> if you had had the opportunity to vote on judge kavanaugh's nomination at the supreme court and i fully understand you're not running for the senate so that's not a realistic possibility, however, it's something that altered the landscape across the country, do you think he is qualified to be a supreme court nomination and do you support his being on the bench? >> i actually think we need to go back and reset this so that we have at least 60 senators approving these nominations and i think harry reid and mitch mcconnell made the mistake of reducing this down to 50. we need justices on the supreme court and court of appeals that represent main stream america and in the case here we have the contentiousness of this debate when that would be eliminated if we could go back to that type of a system. >> since it's sunday night, i also have one nfl question for you. do you support nfl players kneeling during the anthem? do you feel as though that's protected and understandable speech or do you think that's something that you don't think players should be engaged in? >> i think it's protected speech, obviously. again, we got a president of the

united states who is using this issue to divide the country, instead of working as the leader of our country, the one that holds the highest office in the land, instead of trying to bring americans together, he's using that as an opportunity to pit us against each other. let's get the work of the country done and focus on the real issues that confront us. >> all right. harley rouda. we'll watch the race carefully and perhaps i'll see you in washington in january. who knows. >> you're always welcome here, kasie. >> thank you. in the next hour, we'll talk to congressman brendon boil and who is in charge of democrats in welcome to tide pods talk with gronk. i'm gronk! these are tide pods. this is not. even this entire bottle can't beat tide pods. to recap: ugh... tide pods. if it's clean, it's got to be tide.

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