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magic can't make digital transformation happen... but we can. that's the power of pivotal, part of dell technologies. our continuing coverage continues with chris matthews right now. >> political terror. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. everyone assumes i love politics. the personal contest of it, the courage that it demands. there's one part of politics that i truly detest is the corrupting, corrosively, humanly destructive deceit that the ends justify the means which brings
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me to donald trump and what happened today. to say there's no connection between what trump has said about hillary clinton, barack obama, eric holder, john brennan and cnn and the thinking of the person who sent those bombs are fool hearty. we're about to mark halloween. it's all about saying boo. giving someone a little fright so they can enjoy the moment of relief. sending pipe bombs isn't saying boo. it's political terrorism. saying that people are evil isn't saying you disagree with them, it's saying we would better off. the means don't just if the ends if it's stirring up pipe bombings. nbc news is reporting the devices were sent to five public figures. the similarity of the pipe bombings as well as the packaging containing them indicate carefully planned but,
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fortunately, unsuccessful endevour. it's the nation of the intended recipients that suggest this is an act of political terrorism. that's because the targets are a whose who of president trump's enemies list. the first bomb was fund at a mailbox of george soros on monday. today bombs went to the obamas and the clintons in washington and new york. they were intercepted by the secret service. a bomb intended for eric holder went to a bogus return address landing in florida at the office of u.s. congresswoman debbie wasserman schulz. a package to maxine waters was intercepted at a mail facility. a bomb addressed to john brennan was delivered to cnn's headquarters up in new york. cnn was covering the wave of suspicious packages when they were forced to evacuate.
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here is what happened that moment this morning. >> these are fo lono longer suspicious packages. they were functional. that means they were explosive and to have projectiles -- that sounds like a fire alarm here. we'll keep you posted on that. to have projectiles is a feature you'll see in bombs that terrorists use in afghanistan, elsewhere. >> we're going to jump in there. there's a fire alarm here. >> we'll find out what the latest is. >> we'll be right back. >> reacting to the news today, the president of cnn jeff zucker saying there's a total and complete lack of understanding at the white house about the seriousness of their continued attacks on media. the president, and especially the white house press secretary, should understand their words matter. thus far they have shown no comprehension of that. all all the intended recipients have been on the receiving ends
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of the president's attack. trump held him tongue today. >> as we speak, the packages are being inspected by top explosive experts and a major federal investigation is under way. we will spare no resources or expense in this effort. i just want to tell you that in these times, we have to unify. we have to come together and send one very clear, strong, unmistakable message that acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the united states of america. [ applause ] >> as of tonight the fbi is still investigating. they said the inspiring bomber has the components necessary to set off a successful explosion and it was a real bomb.
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i want to start with malcolm on this. this is your line and nbc has determined this had the makings of the a bomb. it could have killed people. >> you're right. what we had happen today was what we would call a bombing campaign. this is a terrorist bombing campaign. these were attempted murders of high ranking figures and the target set was one particular political party. the most important thing that can happen right now is this bomber needs to be tracked down. he has not just the devices that he sent but he has a bomb factory somewhere which may be somewhere dangerous. he may be a threat to law enm t enforcement like we saw in the bomber this year who blew himself up. the attempted murder of senior political operative, former
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government operatives in the united states. >> you said there's a question mark still in your head about the motive. isn't it politics? >> well, apparently we have this saying. the target is the tactic. when you look at the individuals that he tried to target, you know he selected these package bombs. one delivered by courier and knowing that the bomb would go out and be screened by screening facilities, it tells us that he really wanted intimidation campaign. i say he. we don't know if it was he or she. >> this is the definition of what happened here is the list of those intended targets. who goes to bed at night wor
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worrying about him except something on the right who knows he's on the left or who knows about rick holder who is not even ag anymore. he wants to do things about voter suppression or it's lock her uphill hillary. these are the people they dream of hurting, at least politically. >> make no mistake, the targets here were political. this act of terrorism, a terrorist attack was not only those individuals and groups but also on our democracy and our constitution. a classic instance of political intimidation. not just doing destruction to them but innocent people who may been handling the mail and set off those bombs. if the president is serious about leading and unifying, he knows whatnot to say, whatnot to do including not condoning or supporting a congressman who
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body slams a member of the press. not condoning and supporting terrorist who kills people in charlottesville. not supporting his rally tonight who chants lock her up and not encouraging them to go after members of the press. his trademarks have been bullying and intimidation. >> hillary clinton spoke about the forces that are dividing this country. let's listen to the former secretary. >> we are fine thanks to the men and women of the secret service who intercepted the package addressed to us long before it made its way to our home. it is a troubling time, isn't it? it's a time of deep divisions
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and we have to do everything we can to bring our country together. usually when people ask me how am i doing, which happens quite often. i say well, as a person, i'm great. as an american, i'm worried. >> however, the crowd gathering tonight for a trump rally out in west virginia seemed to ignore that call for bipartisanship and civility. here is what they chanted when the republican candidate for senate mention hillary clinton's name just in passing. >> she hired hillary clinton's attorney to cover it up. [ >> she took your -- >> lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. >> what do you make of that? that crowd didn't catch the mood
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change in the mood ring the president was suggesting he would change today. >> that's what the president said today. we don't know what he's going to say this evening. something caught my attention that you said at the beginning of the hour when you said houw much you love politics. one of the reasons we probably love politics is because we have seen what good government and service is all about. we've seen the good that it leads to. not once have i ever heard donald trump say i was elected to serve. he also says i won. he doesn't know respect to the oval office. he doesn't know respect to the presidency. it's case in point almost daily with the words he chooses. it isn't surprising that we see his crowd all riled up because that's what he wants. he called for unity, not once has this president sought to unify our country or any basic
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level. >> your thoughts about the way this is breaking today. the stories in the front page that made your papers will have the pictures of all the targets. every one will recognize the pattern. these people are the democrats, basically, including john brennan who has been critical of the president. people like george soros are known to people on the progressive side or the people that don't like the progressive side. the neatness of this package will grab people and say, too much fire on the right has caused this with some character out there. we don't now how demented or not they are. they did this and those bombs might have gone off. >> this idea of calling for unity 12 days before the midterm election, it might sound good but that was not in the president's play book. the president's play book in these final two weeks was to divide as much as possible. was to stoke up his base to come back to these corner stone issues of immigration, of fear
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to drive out republicans. that was what they were seeking in these final two weeks. they tried a positive message. that wasn't working. they had gone to fear and painting this fear of if democrats were elected, you'll have terrorist streaming into your community and you'll have your physical safety put into jeopardy. that's the type of thing that makes people on both sides feel like we're in some sort of life or death situation. >> not to play dick tracy but the person who put this list together and figured out the addresses, most have known the president has been claiming that george soros has been paying for the caravan. haven't you heard that? that's a late breaking thing. also that eric holder is becoming a political partisan lately. this guy had a fresh list of the president's enemies. s >> you're right. the terrorist has, in his head, his set of targets that he's
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going go to off. something has to propagate that. something has to infiltrate his information sphere in order to give him that set. that most likely based on the collective targets that we're seeing here came from the list of people that you always here in extremist right wing rhetoric. the conspiracy theories about george soros, eric holder, which i'm rather surprised. it doesn't matter. once that list got into his head, he set forward on bloody murder. that meant that the secret service be dammed, he was going to attempt murder. as you saw at that rally today, should not have been what people were talking about. they shouldn't have been chanting lock her up when we could have had the attempted murder of several prominent americans in a situation had those devices gone off and killed or wounded secret
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service, u.s. postal personnel or any other person who was serving this nation. we could be in a much, much different situation. >> you know, lock her up doesn't take a big jump to blow her up. president trump is foster that climate of incivility just this month in criticizing opposition to brett kavanaugh. he described his political opponents, not as rivals but as evil people. >> they've been trying to destroy judge kavanaugh since the very first second he was announced. >> that he destroy people. they want to destroy people. these are really evil people. >> who was disturbed by that word evil? the ambassador at the united nations, nikki haley who does impress me when she says we have to stop talking like that. here she was just last week. >> in our toxic political environment, i've heard some people in both parties describe their opponents as enemies or
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evil. in america, our political opponents are not evil. >> senator, what do you make of the fact it took theppointed he that political misuse of rhetoric. >> i was so impressed and moved by what nikki haley had to say and maybe the bar had been set so low that that kind of very self-evident statement now impresses and moves us. there really is a opportunity here for a kind of alarm bell or wake up call, whatever you want to call it. a bipartisan movement to try to raise the civility. if there is a bipartisan call as nikki haley seemed to feel was possible, maybe we can make progress in elevating our political rhetoric rather than
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inciting the kind of violence that all too often results. >> you know, i will say something that some passionate people on the progressive side but the ends don't justify the means and winning is not everything. it is not everything. trump believes it is. he believes power is everything. winning is everything. any way you get there is okay as long as you win. thee he teaches that to this country. thank you, sir. thank you for your expertise. coming up, a closer look at trump's history of attacks on democrats and the media. we'll be talking to a son of a federal judge. his father was killed by a mail bomb in 1989. is there any hope that we can bring decency and civility back into our public discourse or are those days out of reach in the age of trump? what would it look like...
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leaders on both sides are condemning the attempted attacks today and steve scalise who almost died in a political motivated shooting tweeted violence and terror have no place in our politics and anywhere else in our society. paul ryan tweeted those behind such reprehenceable acts must be brought to justice. >> building a brighter future for communities across america. here is what the mayor of new york said. >> to all public officials of all partisan affiliations, don't encourage violence. don't encourage hatred and attacks on media.
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welcome back to hardball. anger has been a central tenet of donald trump. he's channelled his supporters range toward people or groups that he says is his political enemy. some of whom were targeted by today's bombs. >> crooked cnn. cnn is so disgusting. >> it's fake news. i don't take questions from cnn. cnn is fake news. i don't take questions. >> you can have the biggest story about hillary clinton. i mean look at what she's getting away with it. let's see. you know who their new leader is. maxine waters. very low iq.
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>> it's become radical resistan resistance. they'll go to a person holding a sign paid by soros or somebody. >> president obama, along with brennan and clapper, the whole group that you see on television probably getting paid a lot of money by your networks. they knew about russia's attempt to interfere in the election in september. they totally buried it. >> any way, moments ago john brennan one of the intended targets spoke about it for the first time. let's listen. >> it's very important for an individual who is in the oval office today to say exactly that. that we need to come together as a country. we need to unite. we may have differences but this should be no reason to resort to these types of acts of intimidation and violence. i sincerely wish that donald trump, though would have said
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these things previously and regularly. i wish that he would have encouraged people from all different backgrounds and political affiliations to come together. >> for more i'm joined by president and ceo for american progress. john, this is a problem because it looks to me like the target list is the usual suspects of the president's. >> first of all, thank god none of those bombs went off and people are safe. that's the number one thing. the second thing and i know it's fashionable to jump to conclusions but i'd rooather no until we know why the person did this, did this. i remember working in the capital and we had anthrax. we still don't know. being a public servant is a very difficult job and it's been difficult and dangerous for a
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while. i think that trump did the right thing by speaking out and i think he needs to continue to speak out because i think this will become important. >> you don't see a pattern in this list in. >> of course you see a pattern. you think it's someone unhinged. i don't know what their motivation was. i'd like to get to the bottom of it. >> i think the question is where did they get the list from. >> we don't know. >> do you not see a connection between all the people donald trump targets where his rhetoric, all the people he targets and this and every one who has received a pipe bomb. two presidents, a former secretary of the state and people like maxine waters and george soros. who would know who those people were if it wasn't for donald trump targeting them. >> anybody who watches television knows that. >> because donald trump attacks them. they get more attention because
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donald trump attacks them. we do have to get to the bottom of it. i agree. >> instead of jumping to conclusions -- >> why can't you condemn what the rhetoric's rhetoric has been? >> his rhetoric has been wrong and dividing americans. please just do that. >> i think the rhetoric on both sides. i'm sorry. i have to say i take this kind of personally because i know people who were targeted for murder today. the idea that you're going to both sides is ridiculous. not a whole group of republicans who have been targeted for murder. >> steve scalise was targeted for murder. >> and almost killed. >> he's a friend of mine. >> no political leader spoke out saying let's go call steve scalise a terrible monster. it was a terrible thing that happen and every one condemned it including democrats. >> i can condemn it. >> president trump attacked eric
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holder and maxine waters for being party of the democratic mob that's losing it. this is what the president said recently. let's listen. >> the democrats don't like being called an angry mob but that's what they have become. when you listen to eric holder talking about kicking. >> when they go low, we kick them. >> or hillary clinton saying what she said which is what was so horrible. >> you cannot be civil. >> they just don't see it. maxine waters constantly day in and day out ranting and raving. >> you tell them they're not welcome. >> they are losing it and they shouldn't be. >> what do you think of that, you two? the president leading this on. your thoughts. >> i guess the fact that we have a rally tonight where the president supporters after today are chanting lock her up and the politician stands in front of them and doesn't have the common
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decency to say stop to that group of people after what happened. >> the candidate running for senate in wisconsin. >> exactly. >> what did you make of those comments by former secretary of state and eric holder that said get in there and -- somebody on the show said when you fight with trump on his own language, using that kind of language, the tough guy street corner language, you walk into what's called the insect light. the little thing that catches mosquitos. you get in the same world and you don't want to be in that world. >> i hear the argument. i'm saying to you the argument that when your values are under attack, you need to defend them with everything you believe them. >> kick them. >> it's different from saying maxine waters is a low iq person. i have to say it's ridiculous. >> i just asked talk back to trump that way.
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>> i think the idea we're talking about this at all is kind of what trump wants. >> we're talking about the bombings today. >> absolutely. you're equating this language or saying it's similar. >> my first boss was a guy named bob michael who said we can disagree without being disagreeable. i think the sad thing is every one is exceedingly disagreeable. i think it's on both sides. on the other sides we have seen these mobs. you should be able to eat in restaurant without being shouted at and have your leftovers taken and thrown on the ground. that is intimidation and on both sides. it's bad for democracy. we got to knock it off. >> sure, you know what. i agree. like saying not being nice to people is bad. the idea that we're actually in the same breath equating not being nice to a person in a restaurant and people getting pipe bombs sent to them is ridiculous. >> or getting shot at a baseball field. >> part is what is upsetting.
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we're all in a moral time here. >> let me explain what i think is going on. when you get into this food fight, this personal name calling, mostly the president, and the other side jumps in and trying to match him. little marco should have taught us that. people who aren't as mentally stable and not as good people. they think it's okay to do this horrible thing, a bombing. i don't think it's the same. nobody thinks it's that. you don't either. some people don't get the message. it's a food night. it's not a bombing fight. >> i agree. >> thank you. up next, we'll talk to the son of a federal court judge whose father was assassinated by a mail bomb. one of themsassinations of the 20th century. sleep number 360 smart bedthe
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every single fbi agent in the birmingham division will be working on this matter. >> it's been cancelled for birmingham fbi agents as they work to solve the mystery of who killed judge robert vance. he died instantly when he opened a package delivered to his home in the u.s. mail. his wife was seriously injured in the blast. >> welcome back. that was how nbc news described, at the time, the murder of judge robert s.vance by a mail bomb on
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december 16th, 1989. a federal appeals court judge became the third federal judge to be assassinated in the 20th century. just two days later on december 18th, a similar mail bomb killed georgia zifcivil rights lawyer. two other bombs were intercepted before they could hurt anyone. it was tied to one built in 1972 built by a waterer leroy moody. when he was apprehended and found guilty of several accounts that led to his execution april of this year. i'm join by judge vance son. judge, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> it's a rarity in our life these pipe bombs. this one had all the elements necessary to blow up.
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for whatever reason it didn't. p maybe people could tell and took the preparations to avoid any disaster. your thoughts when you heard about this. >> it took me back 30 years to my own father's death from the package bomb that he opened up in the comfort of our kitchen at our home in birmingham. i brought back a lot of bad memories from that day. i am so thankful that no one was hurt today with so many bombs that were mailed to so many people. not one injury as a result of that. we should really be thankful that there was no loss of life or any injuries. >> i guess the element of terror in mail bomb is it goes right into your house and like your father's kitchen.
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it could be more sbintimate. there it is blowing up in your face, literally. >> it's so random and senseless. you never anticipate or expect anything like that happening. in our case, there was never any real connection as to why walter moody picked my dad to be a victim of this senseless act. we may never know that. it's cowardice striking from a far like that and it's so random and senseless that creates so much of the frustration. >> i'm always impressed by the guts of prosecutors and judges doing their job because they're always people out there that have a grievance. in this case wasn't a grievance, it was just random. >> that's right. that's right. judges, myself included, we always have in the back of our mind the thought that someone might not like decisions that we make. we make decisions every single day.
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the instance of violence and all my brothers and sisters on the bench in birmingham where i work we've never had a incident like that. it's always back there. >> so great to have you on. good to have you on in this weird day for you. thank you so much. up next, more on the suspicious packages. pipe bombs sent to american political figures and the media reporting on that. what's it going to take to return civility and decency to our political and public arenas? these were all targets of the president's rhetoric. now that are horribly targets of a bomber. you're watching hardball. ways to lose stubborn belly fat. the roasted core wrap. 3, 2, 1... not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting?
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in these times we have to unify. we have to come together and send one very clear, strong us mistakable message that acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the united states of america. >> welcome back to hardball. that was president trump earlier today calling for unity. tonight the president is holding make america great again rally in wisconsin. the calls for unity stand in contrast to his divisive rhetoric about his political opponents. >> in their quest for power, the radical democrats have turned into an angry mob. >> anybody that votes for a democrat now is crazy when you look at what's coming up. >> remember hillary's slogan. she paid like a million dollars for somebody to make the slogan. come together or something terrible. she's a great unifier. great. great unifier. >> let's bring in tonight's
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"hardball" round table. how's this going to run in the papers tomorrow is my question? my sense is it will be pictures of the targets. all the people that had bombs dropped at their door and everybody will make their own judgment and say this is the usual, rhetorical attack list, enemies list of the president. >> i think that the papers will say this is the president's attack list. it is. maxine waters, all the people that he's targeted. there's no disputing that. his comments today, we'll see what he says tonight. that will be really important. his excellents today he struck the right tone but he often strikes the right tone after mass shootings, hurricanes and one hour later he goes back. >> is he going to wait an hour? i think he might wait until friday night to go back full steam ahead. i don't know. when he think it's safe to go on
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the rhetorical binge. >> i suspect his speech writers had to do a rewrite. >> it may sound like blow her up. >> they are already starting with the lock her up chants. i was at his rally on monday night and the crowd started chanting cnn sucks over and over again. the president paused and said don't worry. i don't like them either. all of these things, obviously, it's no coincidence that everybody is drawing a line back to the president's rhetoric. are we going to say it's a coincidence or not in i don't know what the motivations or individuals were but the president's rhetoric -- >> i don't find it a mystery that everybody else does. this person, man, woman, whatever, whoever is mental state, whatever had a political agenda here. the fact they were up to date too. it was soros. the guy putting together the caravan. this was up to date.
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>> as were the attacks on eric holder. a couple of weeks ago said you kick them. the interesting thing here is the people who were on that enemies list exist at this dark intersection of the right wing conspiracy theory mongering and donald trump's hit list. >> speaking of. you have introduced your segue. conservative radio host rush limbaugh suggested today that a democratic operative may have created this scenario to benefit the left in the midterms elections. let's listen. >> for what would you do. democratic operative, best way to turn all of that around. how about a day like this. how about a day like this. where you create a scenario where it looks like mobs are on both sides.
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it looks like the republicans have a mob too or at least there's some republican sending bombs to decent, good, democrats and media people. harmless people at cnn. wouldn't it serve your purpose if you're a democratic operative to make it look like the republicans are a bunch of insane lunatics. >> that's the same nonsense that says the republicans got behind the caravan. not everything is run by some political operative. >> he's veering into alex jones territory who said basically the same thing except i think alex jones says the media would back a truck up into the headquarters so they could blow themselves up so they could garner more sympathy. this is twisted stuff.tion tha system behind trump has to kick
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into effect behind him no matter what the offense is taking our country in such an unfortunate direction. >> we're distracting from a very, very serious potential crime here. these people have received death threats. the fact we would distract that by any political discourse is unfortunate. this is the time where we should be unifying. >> it's a good fbi case. this is made for them. this is tracing mail back to where it's initially mailed from. seeing if there's any surveillance cameras at that post office. this is where the feds know their business, i think. >> on the conspiracy theories this always seems to come up. every single time in recent history. t there was a conspiracy theory about sandy hook, the shooting. >> the former cia chief, john
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brennan spoke about need for uni unity. let o let's listen to him. >> he needs to rethink what he is doing and saying. he should not be beating the tom toms of anger and animosity and more. he should be trying to bring us together as a people. the polarization that's taken place in this country over the last couple of years is quite antithetical to what this country is. >> what do you think? >> in general, yeah. this is something that has been coming up for a while. this is the president has criticized john brennan is because of the fact he's been so out spoken of his criticisms and this is how the full circle happened is john brennan has condemned the way that president trump leads the country and president trump has since revoked his security clearance targeting him because
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dishonest human beings on earth. a few days ago i called the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are, they are the enemy of the people. these are really, really dishonest people, and they're bad people, and i really think they don't like our country. i really believe that. >> we're back with the "hardball" round table. i love america, but i hate to get into this match with him on that topic. is he going to stop? >> i don't think he's going to stop. here's why, it's been working, right, this is a good strategy -- >> 47%. >> political strategy for him with his base. when you go to rallies, i've been to a pence rally, a don trump jr. rally, they talk all about the media. when you talk to supporters, that's one of the things they say is we don't tell the truth. >> do they read newspapers or just listen to fox. what is their source of news? i feel like online, but maybe tv also. about a month or two ago this got no attention that someone
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was arrested for threatening the boston globe and calling them the enemy of the people. >> i mean, at the rally again in houston on monday, but also at his rallies generally he took this pregnant pause when he mentioned the fake news media. i mean, it's become part of the shtick to get the crowd to really get riled up, to boo the media sitting there. it is part of the show that comes with these rallies. it's unfortunate because, of course, we do -- we are a major contributor to keeping this democracy going. we try to assert this -- >> oh, that. >> oh, that. >> jeremy. >> it's been part of his political appeal -- >> do you get personal abuse, scared of fortunately i have no ever intimidated or threatened by anybody in a physical sense, no. i've seen it happen, though, at a rally during the 2016 campaign, a reporter getting his laptop slammed down. yeah, it happens.
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trump whips these crowds up into a frenzy. he acts like that should be completely divorced from the reality of bombs being sent to news organizations and his political enemies. so i think what's happened here, what trump has exacerbated is this really alarming trend in american society and politics where if i disagree with you politically, you're a bad person. you're not just on the other side of the issue you're a horrible human being and you should be demonized and punished. >> parallel with the '30s, the words precede the action. thank you to my panel. when we return, i'll finish tonight with trump watch. you're watching "hardball."
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trump watch wednesday, october 24th, 2018 i'm waiting like many of us are to watch how president trump truly reacts to the events of today. i'm referring, of course, to the pipe bombs sent to the clintons, the obamas, cnn and other familiar targets. i'm waiting to see how the president responds for the useful reason that we all of us know what happened and the question is what can be done to lessen the chances of it happening again? happening in a way where the mission of the sender of those pipe bombs isn't achieved. for that we'll truly create social havoc, if it is imaginable, worse division in this country. the thing to listen for is not what words of concern the president chooses, but words he stops using in the days that
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follow. will donald trump learn that he has flown to close to the sun or not? will he learn that there are dangers and collateral damage out there to be wrought when a president demonizes people, when he suggests with giddy delight that the world would be better off without them. we will listen to the president at his coming rallies and learn if he has the interests of the country at heart or rather some other interests. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in". >> all of these packages contained a pipe bomb type bombs. >> mult pl bombs sent to -- >> what we know about the explosive devices sent to barack obama, eric holder, george soros and hillary clinton. >> it is a troubling time, isn't it? >> why democrats are rejecting the president's response based