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i will see you tomorrow morning on "today" and andrea mitchell reportses begins right now. >> thank you, and always good to see you, craig can. breaking news, more explosives is sent today sent to top democrats and frequent critics of the president including fo former vice president joe biden and actor robert de niro as the investigators are in the hunt for a suspect. >> you have physical packages and the potential dna and the hairs and fibers coconnected to the evidence as well as markings on the envelopes themselves. >> and president trump is doubling down on the assertion that the press is to blame for much of we calls the fake news for the anger out there. >> and the media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and

stor stories. have to do it. >> now, some of the people targeted by the bombs are firing back at the president. >> he said it is the media's fault for the kind of the are reporting that media organizations have been doing. what happened today was an act of terror. >> good day. i'm chris jansing in for andrea mitchell, and continuing the coverage of a national manhunt and multiple law enforcement age agencies at the hour trying to determine who is behind the delivery of the suspicious packages containing explosive packages and of course, more package packages found today. the nypd crews got a call and removed a suspicious package from prominent trump critic robert de niro and not long after that, a package at a postal facility in delaware addressed to former vice president joe biden, and

separate package was also found in wilmington, delaware, addressed to him. and so the packages are now to 10, and sent to clintons, obama, former c can ia director john brenn brennan, former attorney general eric holder, joe biden, and with two to maxine waters. and after saying that we should come together, the president is blaming the media. and we have pete williams and nbc national correspondent pete alex s alexander, and msnbc security analyst shawn henry a former fbi executive drirector, and good t have all of you here. pete, i want to start with with the big picture, and what do we know about the big picture of what is standing right now including everything that has unfolded over the last several

hours? >> well, the investigators would very much like to get to the manhunt stage, but so far, they don't have a man to hunt. we are told that there is no clear suspect yet in these investigations, but there is great optimism for several reasons, chris. first of all, it is r very unusual in a bombing investigation to have so many intact bombs. usually, you know, we are watching the fbi and the atf agents crawling on the ground picking up tiny pieces to sending them to the lab to put them together, but here, we have ten known devices, and nine of which are fully intact and being analyzed by the fbi's laboratory. so they have been x-rayed and they look inside and they want to know how and where where they are made, and what appears to be shrapnel that we are told in this device is glass and made of the pvc pipe and all of these are characteristics that they could use to use that forensic investigation, but then the other side is the ones who were sent through the mail, and now we don't know exactly how many

were sent through the mail, and most if not all of them, and cnn says that the one it got was delivered by a courier, and that is itself a piece of potential lead to try to find that courier, and how did that package get into the kourcan i -- courier's hands and all of that. and then, the mack packages where where were they mailed, what time, and what postal facility handled them. and so a lot of optimism, but so far, no suspect we are told. >> and ron, back to this morning we woke up up and i turned on the tv and local channel 4 nbc already showing us that major police presence downtown. give us the rundown of what happened. >> yeah, chris, it is frightening to wake up to that kind of the news, and that happened around 5:00 or 6:00 a.m. this morning again, and as you know, try beckka, and lower manhattan is a very busy and congested an dense area.

we are right in front of robert de niro's restaurant and hotel and offices for the production company, and around here, there are businesses, banks, and school schools, and there are the world trade center is a couple of blocks away, and so it a vibrant area, and the police just locedd it down and tried to keep people out of here. unfortunately unlike the cnn center yesterday, the buildings where the device was found were for the most part empty. but the other unique thing about this situation, of course sh, i that this device was found apparently in a mail room inside of the building by some workers. it wasn't intercepted at a mail sorting facility as was the case with the clintons or the obamas or the vice president biden, because this device actually got into the building, into the intended target. we talked to some of the employees and some of the people out here on the streets, and that is worrying, because you have no idea what the force of this thing could have been and if in fact, and we are still trying to determine if whether in fact these were function aal

devices to in fact explode. think about it. there is -- it is crazy to think of what might have happened if there was a bomb that went off say in the right in the restaurant here, right inside of that building. that is what is the fear that is starting to permeate people as this continues to go on. initially, it felt like politicians, the political leaders and the clintons and the obamas, and robert de niro is a private citizen, and so people are wondering if this is expanding, because it does not feel like it is over. chris, back to you. >> and over to garrett haake in delaware, and garrett, we saw some of the most stunning pictu pictures of the bomb squad in full gear dealing with the device where you r and what can you tell us? >> yeah, chris. this is another place where the folks woke up to frightening pictures of the bomb squad here at this postal distribution and sorting facility in new castle, delaware, and not too terribly far away from where the former vice president joe biden lives

and almost in the philadelphia suburbs, but now things are back to normal here after a scary morning here. one of two packages that were addressed to the vice president were found here. i am getting word in my ear that the audio is failing soy am throwing it back to you. >> thank you, garrett. and shawn, over to you, and you are look at the pictures, and tell me what you are seeing based on what we know over the last 24 hours or so. >> well, there is not all that much that we do know. what we are looking at are democratic politician, and some folks who are supportive of the democratic policies over the years target and we should not certainly ignore the fact that it is two weeks before the midterms and what the connection is or the motivation or the inspiration is not clear. >> and so lett me ask you this, because pete makes the point that it is not a manhunt yet, because we don't have a man to hunt or woman or people, and we don't know any of that right now, but what is going on right no, and what would the folks at quantico know? for example, if there is any dna or fingerprints by this point,

and what don't they know yet? >> and so you have hundreds of investigatorses working on this for the last day and a half going back to the when this first occurred back on monday, and remember, that we have two former presidents who received these devices, and so there is at lot of resources that are being applied here. the investigators are pouring over the evidence, and as pete said, nine intact devices, and also the envelopes that have fingerprints potentially, and ha hairs and fib ers that might be attached to the adhesive on the envelope, and markings on the envelope, and number of things that i can do to piece together the evidence. this is important though, that they are not necessarily putting together a profile together to focus on the person, but following the evidence to the logical conclusion. and when they start to identify someone who is connected to the evidence, they will look at the profile and see how it fits with the other source of intelligence, but right now, following the facts, and you have hundreds of people across

the united states fanning out and working 24/7. >> and what are the key facts at this point, pete? >> how the bombs were made, the material materials they were constructed of, and so, they will be looking to try to get a profile of how these things were built. it is a distinctive method of building a pipe bomb which is extremely common, but this is unusual in that it is made of pvc pipe which again happens, but then you have this thing taped to the side which is apparently a timer er. so you start to the narrow down how this one was made, and one thing they will do for example is say, all right, was there a are recipe with this kind of the device on the internet. and where would you find that sort of thing, and who was looking at that? these are some of the angles and then another one i think that they have to nail down is this claim by cnn that the device they found there yesterday in the mail room did not come through the mail, but by a

courier, and well, how did that courier get it. those are things they should be following. >> going to the follow or they should know, petet? that is my question. as a journalist, we do those things pretty quickly. >> well, in these investigations, it is never ceases to surprise that some things we ask they have not gotten around to yet, and some of the things that we never a thought of, they are way ahead of us on, and ghoit imagine they have not run that down. >> and they have more experience than i do about how to run one of these investigations. peter, let's go to the political part of this, because we heard the president last night. we have heard from him already this morning on twitter. give us a sense of what the white house is saying about all of this now. >> well, we are hearing from the president himself at least so far this morning commenting on twitter and in effect doubling down and blaming the media for its role in causing the nation's

sort of incivility and this toxic political climate that we live in, and this is the president's tweet, and he wrote a big part of the anger we see today in the society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the mainstream media that i refer to as a fake news. it has gotten so bad and hateful it is beyond description. mainstream media must clean up its act, fast. one of the person who received the intended targets of one of the explosive devices john brennan who happens to ban analyst at nbc and msnbc responded on twitter and said, stop blaming others and clean up your act and try to act presidential. the president at least last night at the rally in wisconsin, it is interesting how he framed it. he never at a tacked the adversaries by name, and he did criticize the media, and he said that he denounced those who carelessly compare political

opponents to historical villain, and he said that others who mob public people when they are out at dinner or out on the streets, but the president never took responsibility for his own comments over the course of his time in office, and even during the course of the campaign that have contributed to this incivility right now. and sarah sanders was outside on the north lawn earlier in the morning, and this is how she framed it. >> there's a big difference between comments made and actions taken. the president is certainly not responsible for sending suspicious packages to someone no more than wer bernie sanders was responsible for a support e of his shooting up a republican baseball field practice last year. the idea that this is at the hands of the president is absolutely ridiculous. >> and the president said last night on stage that he was trying to be nice in the comment, and look, he said, i'm behaving in effect, and the fact is that a lot of people were

struck by his public comments and in fact, reigniting this back and forth even as the investigator tricing to track down who is responsible, and if in fact there are other bombs out there. chris? >> and quickly a confirmation, any indication at this point that the president made phone calls to the obamas or the clintons? >> no information that he made those call, and i asked sarah sa sanders about that this morning and she ignored my question. >> and so, now to the politics of this, and versus the science of it, and all thoichks that you have -- all of the things that pete has said, and all of the hundreds of things that the investigators are doing right now, and versus the science of profiling and what we know about the list of targets, all people who have criticized the the president before. how do those two things weigh against each other in the investigation? >> one thing that the investigators will do is to look

at the past intelligence collected to see if they can match it up with the actions seen here, and the secret service for example, they have a vast a ar a ray of data they have collected over many years, and threats to presidents back to the president obama and president clin canton and through to the current president. they will -- president clinton, and they will be looking at that with the rhetoric and the misspellings of the words and the capitol police do the same thing for members of congress, and the capitol the police have a task force to work collaborately collaborate ly on the sitting members of congress. with we have two maxine waters and -- forget her name. in any event, they are collecting this intelligence and trying to correlate it with what they have seen thus far with the packages and what they have seen -- >> oh, debbie wassermann schultz, and it was not meant to go to her, but back to her,

because it was meant for eric holder. >> her name was on multiple packages it appears. >> correct. >> and trying to entice somebody to open it up if you recognize a name. and her name was misspelled, so they will go back to look at threats made to her potentially, and threats to maxine waters and both of the former presidents. that the intelligence cheollectn is about trying to piece together a profile, and have we seen it before? it would not surprise me if there is some contact along the line of this when we determine who the actors are that there was some prior engagement somewhere along the line. >> shawn, thank you so much, and always good to see you. pete alexander, and pete williams, and garrett haake and all of you, thank you. >> and words matter. the president is also blaming the media in the wake of the bomb scares, and you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. it's time to get out of line with upmc.

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the democrats are for higher taxes, more regulation and more top-down government control. by the way, did you see how nice i am behaving today? this is like -- and have you ever seen this? we are all behaving very well. and hopefully, we can keep it that way, right? we are going to keep it that way. president trump with his version of tamping down his usual incendiary rally rhetoric, but even the bomb scares targeted some of the most high

p profile critics, the president came out swingingn again. joining me now is the former press secretary for hillary clinton's presidential campaign, and spokesperson for attorney general eric hoelder and charli sykes our msnbc contributor, and katy tur. and so i want to play some of what the president has said about some of the people targeted in these threats. >> crooked hillary is a great unifier. >> it is incredible the deep state where they don't look at her. isn't that incredible. >> maxine waters. you get that one? you get that? good old maxine, and low iq individual. low iq.

>> did you ever see when the fake news interviews them and then try to cut it. they will go to a person who is holding a sign paid by soros or somebody, and that is what h happens. >> if you want the fake news media to finally investigate -- by the way, by the way -- >>. [ crowd chanting "cnn sucks" ] >> don't worry i don't like them eith either. >> and now obau isobauma is tal about -- >> what do you think when you are hearing this. >> in this, you lose your capacity to be shocked, but what this is a mass assassination plot to cause everybody to sit

up in their chair and get freak ed out. we can't just treat this as politics as usual in 2018, and think they not treating it as politics as usual means that we can't just gauze over it and paper over it by saying, well, both sides of the political aisle are behaving uncivilly, and so what do you do and then shrug your shoulders. all of us, officials and civil lead leaders and the media need to be point and open and honest that one side and this president in particular seems to condone and glorify violence. the president just the other day, and this not one of the clips that you played, chris, but just the other day, the president was making jokes about a sitting congressman physically assault ed assaulted a reporter last year. and after charlotteville, the president said there were good people on both sides after assaulting a a young woman. and so there are attempts in the coming days to say, well, sexual

assault survivors on capitol hill are rudely being affected, and it is a difficult conversation to say with one side incites violence or one incites more than others and i am sure they will be criticized because i am a democrat and worked for hillary aclinton and sure i would criticize trump, but it is the president creating this caustic environment in 2018. >> and brian makes a good point of how, and you have talked about this before when you and i have had conversations about how to become anesthetized to it, and i wake up, and jon meachum is on "morning joe" and they asked him to put it in cone text at 30,000 feet, and he said, we have not seen a threat like this since the assassination plot against abraham lincoln, and i

took a gasp. so when you think of what brian had to say, and so the president did not do this and he did not make the bombs, and he did not send these bombs, but what do we need to look at as a kcountry ad what should he be looking at as a leader who is supposed to be inspiring us? >> well, we are living in combustible time and he is the arsonist in chief and the historical con ttext for me is they are remember where i was when martin luther king was assassinated and when bobby kennedy was assassinated, and i remember that i was in chicago for the riots. and political violence has always been beneath the surface which is why the norms of is civility is so important, and why it is so important not to characterize your opponents as enemies and to engage in conspiracy theories or the demonize them, but i have to push back and if we are having a moment of introspection, a year ago youed had the attempted assassination of a number of

republicans including steve scalise, and ricen sent to the president, and the threats on susan kol lin, and the president of the united states is much greater, but this is is a a moment to realize that we are spiraling into a tribal warfare where we have demonize ed td th other tribe to the point that you have to ask what will it take for the tribal opposition to become tribal violence. >> and katy, to be fair, and most of the viewers know this, that you are someone who was targeted repeatedly by the president on the campaign trail, and at one point you had to get security because of the targeting. >> i had to have security from december 2015 through the election day. >> and we see it now with some of the other reporters out there, and including the main reporter for cnn. and is so where do we find this if there is to be fairness of

the president and what he has to say and the mood that he is created versus as charlie said, some responsibility by maybe a lot of people? >> i think that everybody needs to take a close hard look at themselves, and think about the way they have responded to president trump. they have responded the political environment that we are in. absolutely i think that what happened to steve scalise and the republicans last year on the baseball field is disgusting. i they idea that susan collins is getting death threats is disgusting, and ricin to the pentagon is disgusting, and packages soent to the president and wife and sons are disgusting, but we have to be extremely aware of when this started. i mean, there has always been an undercurrent, yes, but we have never had a politician who has been so explicit about his desire to see his political opponents suffer. i mean, really suffer. on the campaign trail, when protesters interrupted his rallies, he encouraged people to

assault the protesters. i will pay your legal fees. i have never been to a political rally or any rally where somebody is punched in the face and a crowd cheered, and that happened in his rallies, and they were violent affairs and scary affairs at times. there was riot police out soosif them. he talked about hillary clinton on the campaign trail and he said that i hope that the second amendment people deal with her or something to that effect. and "locker up her up" is some we a heard all of the time. and one of the campaign staff aides said putting her up in front of the firing squad and why would he say that is okay. the culture is from the top-down, and yes, everybody has to account for the way they have behaved since donald trump was on the campaign trail, but let's be honest about where it started. and the republicans s condemned this left and right throughout 2015, and 2016 and part of 2017,

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we have breaking news on exactly where those bombs came from that targeted trump's critics. john dienst, what are you hearing now >> we are told that three senior officials tell myself and joe

vall valli kwush valliquette that it is coming from florida. and so again, officials are saying they are looking at florida. >> and some of the returned a dresses were debbie wassermann schultz. >> that could have been made and posted and they have a part of the evidence that some of the packages were mailed from florida. another point, officials tells us today that they now all believe that all of the packages were sent through the mail. >> and so the reoports that things were is sent by courier or that someone hand delivered them to george soros' mailbox were all mailed? >> the george soros one they belie believed was mail and the reason that it did not have a postmark stam subpoena that the envelopes were soft and could n-- stamped and that the envelopes were soft and could not go through the sorting. and then the cnn mail has explained to us goes to the off site facility, and so it is

mailed, screened there before any package gets delivered to their offices and their anchors, so at the off site facility, the mail was then picked up here in manhattan by a courier, and taken from the off-site facility to cnn's offices delivered and then it was opened and discovered. the issue was that because the package was so small, apparently, wit was nott screend at the off site facility, and sent ahead. we are told that the investigators have found the courier, and interviewed the courier and his story matches the information they have on how that package arrived at cnn through the mail to the off site facility and courier picks it up along with other packages and brings it to the cnn a offices at columbus circle. >> and this ham-handed effort to somehow indicate the debbie wassermann schultz by using her name and address as the return

name and address and nevertheless, could it provide some clues to the investigators? >> that is one major lead that the investigators are taking a look at and also possible past incidents at a her offices, and looking to see -- >> and maybe somebody who has been a problem before kind of thing? >> and seeing if the problems with debbie wassermann schultz and problems with her offices in the past have a link to the mailings happening now in new york and washington and los angeles. so that is a hard look. another reason why focus is on florida at least in part. mailing some of the devices were mailed from there and why, jonathan, don't you know that all of them were mailed from there? again, because the packages were soft and go through pose alma sheen -- postal machines, they don't get the postmark to indicate where they were mailed from, but it appears that some of them have enough ink on them or other evidence that the investigators now believe that some of them were mailed from florida. >> and now, finally, as they are

looking at the devices, is this is there a sense yet that given none of them detonated and e b elaborate hoax meant to incite fear and somebody who really didn't know very well what they were doing? >> the three officials that we spoke to be determined. and some felt that it had to be a hoax because of the way that it was built, and really shabby and not sophisticated and how to do you can try to put a timer through the mail, and you never know when the mail is going to arrive and it does not make sense. they were not set up properly or, hey, there were some real ingredients in there, and so, it is concerning and problematic, and nonetheless, until they find this guy, they won't know for sure, and they want to make sure that there are not more devices and more mailings still out there which remains a concern. do they know if any of them are still out there? no, they don't and there is a concern this if ten of them are out, there how many more might

arrive. >> thank you, jonathan dienst with this new information from your sources there. and i want to bring in congressman adam schiff, the top democrat on the house intelligence, and congressman, it is good to see you, and obviously unfortunate under these horrific circumstances, and you rare someone who has ben often the target of the president's verbal attacks, and he called you one of the biggest liars and leakers in washington, and how u unnerved are you by seeing what is happening? >> of course, it is disturb thing that people are using tactics tlik th s like this to people in the political sphere. it is the deplorable, and we are certainly staying in touch with the capitol police and the fbi, and very little has been shared with members of congress and the intelligence committee. we are all taking precautions, and we have been instructed of what to do if we should receive a suspicious package. i are e sieved a call from the l.a. police chief yesterday just checking in.

so, you know, my heartfelt th thanks to the law enforcement dealing with this, and obviously, we will rest a lot better when this person is apprehended. >> you don'tb want to be hyperbolic in a situation like this, but we are a country on edge and we are a country divided and a country where there is a lot of the divisive rhetoric and add to that where we are in the midterm and some of the ads that we have seen, and some of the conversations that we have heard from candidates that have been very, very targeted and forceful. the president did call for national unity yesterday, and then he seemed to go back into the partisanship with the jabbing in wisconsin. what's the responsibility as you see it of the president? what should he be doing right now? >> well, i think that a lot of the responsibility is with the presiden president. at a time the like this, but also because this president more than any other in memory has really stoked these kinds can of the angry divisions.

we have seen them frequently, and that is at the rallies, and he kind of glorifies in calling out and attacking the opponents in the most vile way. he praised the assault on that journalist, and says that there are good people on both sides of the neo-nazi marches or the rallies, and so this is the first president certainly in my lifetime who doesn't seem to understand that a big part of the job is to make us a more perfect union, and who gets up in the morning the try to find new and inventive ways to divide us. the divisions are just aggravated from the president more than any other recent president, and he can't escape response frb responsibility for the aggravation and bigotry coming

to the surface. >> and we will point to something that this is obviously not something that has just affected the democrats, and steve scalise was lucky to be alive and he was not the only victim of the shooting on this that baseball field and even to go so far to talk about the other members of the administration who have been harassed at dinner with their families and people who don't like president trump or don't like what they do, and i want to play for you what ted cruz had to say yesterday. this is from chuck on "meet the press daily." >> it is worth pointing out and listening that the media always focuses on the president, but there are others actively participating when maxine waters tell people to go out to yell and scream at people wherever they are is wrong. >> and so what about that comment that there is plenty of blame to go around? >> it is a cop out. but it is a cop out that is with

well, what about this or that when there are legitimate charges against the president. look, no one sets the tone in the country more than the president of the united states. the tone and the bitter divisiveness prompts a reaction and to be accept, but there is no escaping the responsibility at the oval office for a lot of the vile that we see throughout the country. certainly, everyone can do a better job, and that is no excuse for what we see in the commander in chief, and no excuse in what we see in somebody who is supposed to be bringing the country together. and so i understand why ted cruz might make that argument, but his party and his comments creates a reaction does not surprise me in the least. >> congress cma maman schiff, tu

for joining us. and now i we want to bring in jim kavanaugh, and we would like to know what the newest information that you have from the investigation? >> there is a belief of looking into whether some of the packages were sent from florida. they are telling us that the package that is first reported by courier to cnn is partly true. all of the cnn mail in new york apparently goes to off site screening facility via mail, and that is how the device apparently got to new york, and then cnn screens the mail, and then a courier delivering it to cnn. they are waiting to see if it is a hoax or a really bad attempt by unsophisticated bombmaker. they won't know until they find this guy, and lastly but not least debbie wassermann

schultz's offices in florida are a part of the investigation and not only because of the fake returned a dress put on the envelopes, but because they are looking into whether or not there were past threats or messages sent to that office and whether the past incidents connect to what is happening now here in new york, washington, los angeles. >> jim, let me take these step by step and you can help to us understand the importance of this information and how it fit s into the overall investigation and start with this focus at least that one tof the many focuses of the various people who are working on this that none of this went off, and whether or not it was meant to be a hoax, and whether or not it is meant to incite fear or whether they are badly made? >> yes, jonathan is doing an excellent job to lay it out. look, we don't know whether the bomber made the bombs not wanting them to go off. but i don't see that as the case can. all of the components are there. he's got a timer which could have been a safe arm switch, but what we have not heard of is if

there is a detonator or pull switch or microswitch in there. and the other thing is that some things to look at. we can't confuse the bomber's intent with his ability, as jonathan pointed out, it could have been poorly made. ki look at it and te-- and i ca the tell you many of the things that are poorly made, and i don't want to educate the guy, so i won't point them out, but every person was opened by a civilian target, and the bomb squad opened, so we don't know how it would have happened in a civilian's hands, and we don't know that yet. they are looking at that in the lab. and secondly, shrap nenel is ine of it. and many times they will ut strap the nails on the outside so it is looking scary.

and he sent two bombs to maxine waters or joe biden. and one bomb is scary, but two bombs are to get you. so i don't see this as intent, because i think that the bomber want ted to get these people, a a particular ire for maxine wa waters and joe biden and a lot of hate and time in making these things, and purpose. so i think that his intent was to harm. but as jonathan so rightly pointed out, it might have been poorly made and his ability didn't match the hate and desire, and i think that the key point here, chris, he is going to change. i think that it is more than one guy, by the way, just by the level of activity here. the numbers. he is going to change the packaging and change the fusing and the firing, and he might use place devices, and of course, he could go to a gun attack, but i think that i would stick with the bombs and looking at the craftmanship here, and even though we are deriding it a

little bit, he feels that he can make these things detonate, i believe and that is why every co component is there. >> and even if he is doing that, jim, if indeed he is doing that and we know from the past that they are going to look to triy o evade and these didn't work and how we can do this differently, and having said that with all of the agents and the various agencies are working on this, and the fact that the it now looks like they may have come from florida. that they are able to look at debbie wassermann schultz' records and look at maybe some of the people who were a threat in the past, and is that a lead. are you seeing it as we start to get an idea of some of the thing th things that are happening inside of the investigation that it is moving ahead about at the pace, and about where you thought that it would? >> yeah, it is moving fast. florida is a big state. and you know, i was a florida cop, and it is a big state. where the post office is may not be in south florida, but central or north florida. debbie wassermann schultz's name

was on the packages and so that the recipients would open the package and this is why her name was on that, and that is why the bombers do that, they put the returned a dress of someone that you know. and actually, it was a good selection because except for mr. brennan, everybody else probably does know debbie wassermann schultz, and so that is a clever tactic to get the recipient to open the bomb. >> and jim cavenaugh and jonathan dienst, thank you. and also, can you know who is listening in on the president's cell phone calls? you are watching "andrea mitchell reports."

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president trump's personal phone calls are under increased scrutiny today. "the new york times" reports that president trump has been calling his old friends from one of his iphones and that american intelligence indicates china and russia are listening in to those conversations. so what could be the national security impact? joining me now, the white house correspondent for "the washington post." ken dilanian, nbc's intelligence and national security reporter. ken, i know nbc has our own

reporting on president trump's cell phone habits. >> that's right, u.s. security officials have told our own pete williams they've been concerned for months that president trump has been having sensitive discussions on cell phones with some of these informal advisers, including sean hannity from fox news. what the "times" is saying is american spy agencies determined the chinese and russians are listening and the chinese have essentially mapped donald trump's network of advisers. we say this all the time, but this is really unprecedented. barack obama was not given a smart phone untilled the middle of his second term. he listened to advice of his security advisers. donald trump apparently is unwilling to listen. and that's why we're reading about this story in "the new york times." >> ann what are the dangers here? if china and russia are listening in to conversations that he is having about who knows what.

>> yes, chris, the main danger is most likely that foreign adversaries, russia, china, maybe others, can get an idea of the things that are top in trump's mind, things that are bothering him and who he's talking to so that those foreign governments can then either try to influence the people trump is talking to or make use of the information that they've now overheard about things he's interested in complaining about, worried about, thinking about. it's less than he's divulging classified information, although of course that is a potential risk. it's more that he's giving away some clues to things that other governments might use to try to influence him from one step removed. >> he tweeted about it this morning. it was a denial, ann, and he said, except i rarely use a cell phone and it's government authorized.

i like hard lines. just more made up fake news. >> yes, i mean, anyone who's covering him has seen him carrying the iphone or seen it on his desk. >> yes. >> he definitely has one. >> yes, there's a hard line on his desk, but we have all seen him with his cell phone. so anyway, ann guerin, much appreciated, ken dilanian, thanks. i'm sorry, what? ah. so, ken, let me just bring this around, wrap this up if we can. what do we know about the warnings that he has been given? i mean, is this something, to our knowledge or our reporting that repeatedly he is being warned that he's just ignoring those warnings? because he seems to indicate he's -- not that he's not using it ever or at all, but only in a secure way. >> that's right, based on what pete williams is hearing and what "the new york times" is reporting, it seems clear his advisers have tried to caution him not to use at least his perm

cell phone. now, the story said he had two iphones given to him that were modified by the nsa. those may be less insecure and he may be using those at times but he's clearly still using his personal phone. >> ken dilanian, ann, thank you. is now in session. and... adjourned. business loans for eligible card members up to fifty thousand dollars, decided in as little as 60 seconds. the powerful backing of american express. don't do business without it.

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ali velshi is here. >> thank you, friend. good afternoon. i'm ali velshi. stephanie ruhle is on assignment. it's thursday, october 25th. let's get smarter. >> today, three more explosive devices have been discovered. the total more at ten. >> two in delaware, both addressed to former vice president joe biden. >> the device was found earlier this morning in the restaurant or the offices that are owned by robert de niro. >> two packages to biden. this is the package you're looking for. you can see package due on it, i guess 75 cents, that's why it wasn't delivered. >> it all appears to be from the same sender. >> are there more devices out there to your knowledge? do you expect we may hear more about that? >> to my knowledge, no, do i expect we will hear more, yes. i actually fear, now, that we're feeding the beast. this is getting such a