in our humble opinion. that does it for our show. we'll be back 6:00 p.m. tomorrow. don't go anywhere because "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. >> trump blames the media for the bombs. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. as a national bomb scare rocks american politics, president trump fails a key test of his leadership. he is unable to grasp that he, as the president of the country, must lead by example. over the past 24 hours, several more explosive devices have been discovered by law enforcement authorities. two packages containing pipe bombs in delaware are addressed to former vice president joe biden. an additional bomb sent to congresswoman maxine waters has been found at an l.a. postal facility, and tonight, or

overnight, a bomb intended for actor and trump critic robert de niro was found in new york. as of tonight, eight targets have been sent to a total of ten pipe bombs. all of the intended recipients of those packages have also been the targets of the president's attacks. and despite his remarks yesterday condemning violence and calling for unity, the president doesn't appear to be willing to practice what he is now preaching. at the risk of inspiring further attacks, in fact, trump today blamed the media for fueling the anger we're seeing in this country. he tweeted, quote, a very big part of the anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the mainstream media that i refer to as fake news. it has gotten so bad and hateful that it's beyond description. mainstream media must clean up its act fast. former cia director john brennan who was one of the targets of

the attempted bombing responded to the president with a swift rebuke. quote, stop blaming others. look in the mirror. your inflammatory rhetoric, insults, lies, and encouragement of physical violence are disgraceful. clean up your act. try to act presidential. the american people deserve much better. and by the way, your critics will not be intimidated into silence. before trump's tweet this morning, the president's behavior was raising new questions about his leadership in the wake of a national bomb scare. as the story was still developing last night, the president joked at his rally about how he was being nice. >> and by the way, do you see how nice i'm behaving tonight? this is like -- have you ever seen this? we're all behaving very well. and hopefully we can keep it that way, right? we're going to keep it that way. >> not actually funny, mr. president, bombing.

trump also laid at least part of the blame at the feet of the news media, accusing them of hostility and false attacks. >> as part of a larger national effort to bridge our divides and bring people together, the media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories. have to do it. have to do it. they've got to stop. >> joining me now is ashley parker, white house reporter for "the washington post." eugene robinson is a columnist with "the washington post," and ryan costello is a republican congressman from pennsylvania. thank you all. ashley, you're a straight reporter. you write on the front page. you're one of the leading reporter of our time right now. what do you make of the fact that the president is blaming you? i mean, in effect, he's blaming people like you. he doesn't have a problem with

opinion people like me, i have noticed. he doesn't go after us. he's most scared of front page hard news reporters who write the main bar stories. that's what bugs him, the truth. >> well, the media is a constant foil of this president. it's not particularly surprising. the irony, of course, is this is a president who always attacks the media. he's attacked us since the beginning of the campaign. you saw him coming out and attacking us and blaming us today. but he's also a president who relies on the media, craves media attention, watches hours of cable news every day. reads the front pages of the major papers, and in response to them, so it's sort of this symbiotic relationship, but they are an easy foil, and you'll see him go to the media a lot. it's not particularly surprising. >> do you see the irony in the fact that what he -- what people learn, they learn from the mainstream media. that's how they know -- well, they know what the date is

oftentimes looking at the pape, what the date is, what the weather is, what sports results are, when the movie starts, what the hard news is. and then they go back and blame the very source that they use in their daily paper and their local news television affiliates and network news programs and cable, and then they go back and blame the people that told them what was going on for what? it seems like they're blaming the messenger for their truth. they don't like the stories. they don't like what's going on, they don't like the president's problems. your thoughts. >> well, speaking about this president specifically, he has a number of tells. one of them is when he doesn't like a story, he will often say it's fake news. it's not true. he'll go after the news organization, he'll go after the reporter s personally. i think what followers of the president realize is it doesn't really mean it's fake news or isn't true. what it means is the contrary, most frequently, which is that it absolutely is true, it's just

something the president doesn't like and has gotten under his skin. >> i don't know how we can argue about this, any sane person can argue the people who had bombs placed at their door are the people this president hasn't liked and has said so. the president read some prepared remarks addressing the bombs last night, his calls for unity were sharply at odds with his usual relateric. we knethat, and that's a fact. let's listen. >> those engaged in the political arena must stop treating political opponents as being morally defective. have to do that. they want to destroy people. these are really evil people. >> any acts or threats of political violence are an attack on our democracy itself. >> like to punch him in the face, i tell you. >> no one should carelessly compare political opponents to historical villains. which is done often. >> that's something that nazi germany would have done and did

do. >> we must accept the verdicts of elections. >> i'm afraid the election is going to be rigged, i have to be honest. >> you know, gene, you're a long time editor and columnist, especially editor, and it didn't take much effort to edit that together. the president has a problem with reality, not truth, and not fake news. the reality is he's been out stirring up trouble, stirring up division from day one, and it's worked for him politically, and now he's coming back like, you know, mother theresa, let's clean up our act, be a hall monitor. he ain't one. >> i said before, i miss irony. you know, irony was a good thing. we're so past that. you know, number one, for the president, everything is all about him. and number two, it's all about whatever he says in the moment. it's as if he never said anything before ever. on some level, on, you know, in most part, this is hypocritical, dishonest, and he knows -- but

there's a level at which he probably doesn't even know it. >> you think he doesn't know? when he's playing pastor mcgoo and i'm coming in to clean up the fight and he's in the fight? >> i know, but he does have kind of a persecution complex. he does on a certain level -- >> you're being so clinical. i mean, i don't know. >> he's being persecuting. and unfairly persecuted. despite everything. despite the evidence of our eyes and ears. >> what do you make of it, congressman? you're a republican from a nice suburban area, a place in pennsylvania i think is great. what do you think? people see that he's playing the pastor here when he's one of the problems? i don't get it. >> first, yeah, first off, great mash-up video there. second -- >> i applaud our producers for that. >> what he said changed no one's opinion. those who live and die by what he says are going to fall in line. i think two things.

number one, as president, he does have to make a plea for civility. i think every president has to. but you know, past is prologue, and so it's very difficult for me to think that somehow things are going to change in terms of who he goes after and some of the things he says. i mean, that's as simple as i can put it. >> i don't think you have to dislike the president, ashley, to see the problem he has. i mean, he has great strengths. his ability to read the public, his ability to sell himself in the moment. to react quickly and brilliantly to his plolitical opponents. pretty remarkable. but to think he doesn't bs, that he doesn't say stuff that is starkly at odds with the truth, you don't have to be an enemy of him to see that's how he does business, like this, like we just saw with this back and forth. we just saw between his correcting the misbehavior he's conducting. >> well, is the president a classic example is the president the other day came out and made a claim that was based on no

evidence he was able to provide that there were middle easterners joining these carvens and then when he was pressed on that repeatedly after a number of people in his own administration had come out, put their credibility on the line and vouched for him, he said you're right, i have no proof. but it could be true. and that's the way this president operates. he's realized that among his core supporters, at least, and again, not with everyone, but his core supporters he's so far paid no political penalty for mistruths, things that are not rooted in fact or evidence, and until there is some electoral consequence for that or personal consequence for that, it's hard to see this president stopping that strategy because he often views what he says less as reflecting the actual reality and more about messaging. and marketing. >> well, i think -- >> chris, can i say something? >> congressman, you know him better. go ahead. >> i am very fascinated by the president's grip on republican

voters. and i always try to find like what elected official could you compare this to? i keep getting back to frank rizzo, the former mayor of philadelphia. >> sure. >> he had that, you know, the lie detector test. rizzo lied. >> i remember, congressman. >> most of what i read in sal paolantonio's book, rizzo lied, he failed a lie detector test, and his supporters said so what. there's some of that to this, i think. >> i remember, rizzo goinize to the bathroom with the boss in the city machine. he says something to him, the city machine boss said he said it. rizzo says i'll take a lie detector test. he flunks the test and says, okay, i flunked it. >> then he got re-elected a year or two later. >> anyway, republican senator ben sasse of nebraska admonished president trump for the language he's used to criticize the media. let's watch the senator from nebraska. >> we don't refer to the press as the enemy of the people in america. every american needs to be against political terrorism, and so that starts at the top, that

the president has the biggest bully pulpit in america, and he needs to affirm again that we condemn all political terrorism in america. >> let's do the frank rizzo comparison here, because i know you're close. rizzo, he was the white conservatives against the black community and the few liberals downtown, the whites. we knew who they were. because he took sides with one tribal side, it doesn't matter his miscues, his bs, his lies, his failing of lie detectors. with trump, it's like they hate the liberal establishment so much, and some of them hate minorities that much, that they'll put up with any crap he gives them. >> right, and they believe he's on their side. there's much evidence that he's not, and he hasn't really done anything in their interest, but they believe he's on their side. and you know, again, on one level, it's very funny. on another level, cnn got a bomb. you know? people, robert de niro got sent a bomb. this is serious business.

and the president does not have the credibility to say cut it out. and to tell people not to do it because in fact as you just saw from the mash-up, he's the prime offender. he's the one who has kocoarsene our political dialogue to the greatest extent. >> congressman, i was wondering, i don't think the president is going to put out a list of who not to bomb. go ahead. >> i think gene makes an excellent point. this is a serious situation. i had a smile on my face, but its very well put. i would agree with senator sasse in the following respect. listen, facts matter. truth matters. we are going to be in a more dangerous society moving forward if we start litigating things that we know to be true, and we have segments of our society who no longer care whether it's true or not. they're just going to follow the other guy because they like what -- or woman, what he or she says. the press is the enemy of the

people is a terrible thing to double down on. and i think republicans need to push back on the president as much as they possibly can on this. this is not something to adapt as a political party. it will be to the long term disadvantage of the republican party, and it will damage truth and journalism in this country. >> is that why you're quitting? i'm serious. have you had it with the republican party that falls in line, 9 out of 10 people back anything trump says in the party? >> i'm a republican. i'm probably more of a centrist republican than some others. i do take issue with some of the things the president says and does. but philosophically, i'm more aligned with the jack kemp type republican wing. but let me say this also. doesn't make democrats bad people. and we're in an environment where if you're a republican, oftentimes you're saying democrats are bad people, and vice versa. i think that that's -- that kind of talk exacerbates a situation and makes people -- drives hate. that's why we get bombs and death threats and all this other

stuff going on. >> you're in the tradition of people like tom ridge and good people like that, and bill scranton. a lot of good republicans. going back a bit, all civil rights guys all the way. thank you so much, congressman ryan costello. ashley parker, as also, "washington post" eugene robinson, thank you. coming up, we'll get to the latest on the investigation. this is hot stuff, a detective story now. those ten bombs, explosive devices sent to president obama, hillary clinton, and other top democrats. plus. one of trump's top rallying cries in 2016 was that hillary clinton was putting national security at risk by using an unsecured e-mail server, but new report out tonight finds that he's using his cell phones to chat with friends despite repeated official warnings from authorities that spies are listening to him as he chats away with his buddies. and while we still don't know who's responsible for those bombings sent to democrats, we do know that trump and his allies are blaming the media. finally, let me finish tonight with trump watch.

i don't think he'll like this one. this is "hardball," where the action is.

well, cia director gina haspel briefed president trump on her trip to turkey to learn more about the death of journalist jamal khashoggi. as part of the trip, haspel recordedly listened to an audio recording that captured the killing of khashoggi at the saudi consulate in istanbul. can you imagine listening to that? meanwhile, the saudi government is still refining its version of what took place. they first said khashoggi died in a fist fight. remember that cover? now they're admitting the killing was premeditated. the whole story has been thrown away. they have a brand-new one. no word on the president's reaction to what he learned today from his cia director. we'll be right back. ow his- hello. uh, no i need it right now. yeah... success is a numbers game. and you're not going to win if you keep telling yourself to wait.

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sent those ten bombs to critics of president trump. not critics of president trump, yes, they were. local investigators continue to work with federal investigators, and the postal system, to determine who sent the packages and why. yesterday, the fbi director christopher wray tweeted, this investigation is of the highest priority for the fbi. we have committed the full strength of the fbi's resources. we will continue to work to identify and arrest whoever is responsible for sending these packages. today, sources tell nbc news there are no solid leads as to who the suspect is at the time. and if more devices remain at large. however, new york police commissioner james o'neal has assured new yorkers the individual or individuals would be apprehended. let's watch. >> we are investigating all of this with great precision. i can say with certainty that we will identify and arrest the person or people responsible for these acts. >> well, two sources tell nbc news that the investigation is part focusing on florida,

because there's evidence that some of the packages may have been mailed from there. that's something. law enforcement sources also tell nbc news that some of the bombs were incapable of exploding, but it's unclear if that was accidental or an intentional design flaw. an intentional design that they couldn't blow up. for more, i'm joined by frank f figluzzi, and paul butler, former federal prosecutor. frank, first of all, the fbi, i'm a big fan of the fbi over the years. i have always thought they were really good at things like bank robberies. what are the specialties the agency takes pride in that they can handle? >> so the fbi is at its best when it's surging its resources across the country, and literally across the world. so i would not be surprised if we're at the point where thousands of agents are assigned to this. clearly, in an office like the miami field office, they have virtually shut down every other investigation. and everyone's working this case. so the numbers game is on their

side. and then the famous fbi laboratory, chris, never ceased to amaze me. they could track nails in a mail bomb. they will be tracking the origin of the pvc pipe, the pyrotechnic powder, the scotch tape, the packages. who makes it, where is it sold, who bought it. biometric data, hair, dna, fingerprints coming off the packages that literally speak to these lab technicians and scientists. this is solvable. it will be eventually solved. i would caution everyone who is theorizing on why this was done, what the motivation was, for the investigators tonight, chris, they're not focused on that. they're focused on the evidence and where the evidence takes them. it's actually dangerous to start falling into what i call the obvious trap. right? it's obvious for all of us to say this is some right-wing lunatic who is a trumpster who is lashing out at prominent democrats. maybe. maybe not.

the investigators are focused only on the evidence tonight. >> just to argue with you, since it's what i do. why would somebody pick all these democrats if they weren't anti-democrat? >> yeah, let's talk about history and experience. let's talk about the unabomber, walter leroy moody, the anthrax case. i worked on all of those to some degree, and some led some of those cases, including the anthrax murder in boca raton, florida. when you sit people down after you catch them and you're waiting for the dramatic answer, why did you target this, the unabomber, the acronym, uni c e comes from university and airline bomber. what does he say? occasionally at altitude, the planes would fly over my cabin in montana and they bothered me. walter leroy moody killed a civil rights attorney in georgia. you wait for the dramatic answer. he's crazy. none of this makes sense to anyone with logic. i'm just saying, it could be the obvious. and it could be something else.

it could be someone testing the mail system, testing his mail bombs. waiting to deliver somewhere else or it could be a hate group dedicated to taking out prominent democrats. but why didn't those bombs go off? that's the question. >> well, if i were working on a job to find out who the next people to get bombed were, i would be looking at democrats and media people right now. almost immediately after the news broke, th the #makeamericagreatagainbomber was trending on twitter. it was boosted in part by a pro-trump supporter group from ann coulter to candice owens who suspected the bombs were deployed to detract attention from the left. even making it to fox news where they discussed the possible explanations. let's listen to fox and what they're putting out. >> you talked in your notes earlier about the potential that it could be a false flag. what did you mean by that, james? >> well, a false flag is -- they

also call it black ops. some kind of an operation where a crime or a letter or something is done to make it look like it belongs to one entity when it actually in real life belongs to the other. there could be someone in there, some democrat that low level person, i'm not suggesting anyone on the top, but who just decided, you know what. i'm going to put this out because two weeks before a major election, who's going to look like the bad guy here? the republicans. >> paul butler, what do you make of that supposition? >> this comes from the top, so president trump does not encourage rational evidence-based thinking. he spouts these conspiracy theories, so no wonder that they trickle down. we can think of the president saying that president obama was not born in the united states or that ted cruz's father was somehow part of a plot to kill jfk. and so again, it's not about rationality, and we know in july, president trump said some

of the scariest words ever from a u.s. president. he told the veterans of foreign war, don't believe the news. what you see and read is not real. and then there are other folks like ann coulter who have to know better but want to use this tragedy as a way to stir the base or deflect attention from the president and his poisonous and violent rhetoric that kra z creates the kind of atmosphere for this to happen. >> yeah, the groucho marx line. are you going to believe me or your lying eyes. let me ask you about the option we have here. were these bombs purposely defective or accidentally defective? that would raise the question, it would seem to me, about the crime we're talking about. if it's attempted murder, they were accidentally defective. if they were purposely defective, it was some sort of terrorist action, it wouldn't be murder. how do you examine that, unpack that?

>> yeah, it's a key question for me and for investigators as well. because it goes toward the heart of purpose mission and what's coming next. typically, these mail bombers, serial bombers, serial killers, they don't stop until they're caught. if the purpose here was simply to silence prominent democrats from speaking out, that's not working. and he sent these -- he or she or the group sent these packages to places where they should have known had mail screening. you're talking about former presidents of the united states. they don't open their mail initially. what was behind this, and it looks to me like this was an attempt to silence, an attempt to test the system for a next move to send a message as we approach a midterm election. that's quite likely here. i think this person was capable of making bombs that could detonate. i think they may have chosen not to do it. the mystery is why, chris. >> what do you make about that?

what to charge this person or persons once they apprehend them. >> domestic terrorism is from the patriot act a way that the fbi gets more power to investigate. what a lot of people don't know is that domestic terrorism is not itself a crime. so we look at people like timothy mcveigh, the oklahoma shooter, the charleston shooter, dylann roof, none of them were charged with terrorism. they get charged with conspiracy to take away civil rights or murder or attempted murder, so still severe punishment, but the terrorism law applies to foreign actors who are part of 60 organizations that the state department has registered. >> when we decide they did it, they wanted the packages to blow up, that's attempted murder, right? >> yeah, so of course the fbi is looking at manner and motive, including whether there's a conspiracy or this guy is a lone wolf. >> frank, thank you so much for your expertise, and paul butler as well. >> up next, trump loves to accuse hillary clinton of putting national security at

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communicating with her friends through her e-mail server. take a listen. >> this was not just extreme carelessness with classified material. which is still totally disqualifying. this is calculated, deliberate, premeditated misconduct. >> her server was easily hacked by foreign governments, perhaps even by her financial backers in communist china. sure, they have it. putting all of america and our citizens in danger, great danger. >> we know hillary can't be trusted. we learned that. with america's security. you take a look at her e-mail situation. can we trust her with our security? >> well now "the new york times" is reporting that president trump is calling his friends using an unsecured iphone and that american intelligence indicates that chinese and russian spies are routinely eavesdropping on his calls.

according to "the new york times," mr. trump's aides have repeatedly warned him that his cell phone calls are not secure, but the president has refused to give up his iphones. u.s. security officials tell nbc news that they have been concerned for months that president trump has been discussing sensitive information on an unsecure cell phone with informal advisers, including sean hannity of fox. president trump fired back this morning in a pair of tweets calling the long and boring article so wrong. and just more made up fake news. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," reports. peter, give us the whole story on this about the security dangers of a president, this one or any president, using phones. >> well, that's a great question. in fact, this is one reason why presidents for the most part don't use cell phones because they're easily tapped. not the phone itself, even, just the cell towers and transmission. land lines are always safer.

what presidents do typically is use what they call scifs, secure compartmentalized information facilities to have communications with foreign leaders, to have communications with people that might be sensitive, to make sure that their conversations are not easily accessed by foreign governments. but president trump has frustrated his aides. his aides are very exasperated by his refusal to listen to their advice about what he should be doing. this is something that's come up again and again in the nearly two years he's been in office. >> what's the danger of calling up sean hannity, complaining about "the new york times" coverage of any event? just bs'ing. where's the danger for people? >> that in itself, he'll do out loud and in public and on twitter, so that by itself probably isn't all that revealing. you never know what a president is going to say, particularly this president who is not particularly disciplined about the things he talks about with his friends. i mean, if you interview and talk to his advisers, his

outside advisers. friends who communicate with him regularly, he's very willing to engage in conversations about sensitive information. it may or nmay not be classifie, but he engaged with these people on topics any foreign government would want to know about. if you're china, you want to know about his thinking on tariffs, his thinking about the trade war he's engaged in right now with beijing. it's very likely that's a conversation that could come up with his outside friends and outside advisers. if you're russia, you want to know what he is thinking about the investigation, what is his state of mind about robert mueller and the probe into collaboration, if there was any, between his campaign and moscow in 2016. that's very valuable, you would imagine, to the kremlin. this is why his advisers have been concerned about this for any number of months. >> i know we all knew from the world war ii posters which have been legendary that loose lips sink ships. anyway, white house aides have repeatedly tried to get trump to

better secure his communications. in may, politico reported the president's phone habits and his risk of being hacked, the president found, quote, too inconvenient not to use the phone. not just his friends can reach the president on his personal cell phone. "the washington post" reported in july that shortly after he took office, he began passing out his personal cell phone number to a handful of foreign leaders, so there you have it, peter. he's pretty permisscuous in chatting away, even with foreign heads of state and heads of government. >> he is, and you played all the clips of him criticizing hillary clinton for what in essence would be the same thing, not taking seriously enough the nature of foreign government spying on top officials in the united states. nobody wants to know more -- nobody is a bigger target than the president of the united states. yet, despite his experience having made this critique of hillary clinton, despite making this a centerpiece of his campaign, he has, you know, shown through his use of these

phones an indifference to it while he's in office. he may believe that he's not discussing anything really particularly sensitive or classified on these phone calls, but there's a reason why foreign governments are listening in. >> you know, we were told back in the old days when we still used typewriters at the white house speech writing operation for the president, the communists, the soviets, the chinese could pick up what we were typing on our typewriters as they drove up and down 17th street. so they're very good at this stuff. thank you, peter baker. it is scary. up next, trump wants credit for behaving in his most recent rally and wants the media to clean up its act. you're watching "hardball" for that fight. (vo) this is not a video game. this is not a screensaver. this is the destruction of a cancer cell by the body's own immune system, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now. and today can save your life. ♪

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welcome back to "hardball." the president tweeted earlier today that, quote, a very big part of the anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the mainstream media that i refer to as fake

news. it has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. mainstream media must clean up its act fast. and fox news host lue daubs tweeted, fake news. fake bombs. who could possibly benefit from so much fakery. he's since deleted that tweet. all part of a larger pattern of conservatives today trying to shift the blame for today's political climate to the media. let's watch. >> certainly, the media has a role to play in this process. when 90% of the coverage about this president is negative, despite the historic successes, when the ideas are perpetuated and continued of negativity that is not helpful for the american discourse. >> it's the media doing what the media does, which is any narrative that they can twist against trump, they will do so. >> the president is also bashed mainstream media. >> he's the president, though. >> that's right, and the mainstream media has often

earned it. >> don't think there's a direct relationship of any kind between trump -- the people you're talking about also are people who have been publicly very hostile to conservatism. >> let's bring in tonight's "hardball" roundtable. tamara keith is a roundtable correspondent. jason johnson, and alcardenas is the former chair of the party. >> he's consistent. certainly. and he's not going so far as to blame the media for the bombings. he's just blaming the media for the climate. but this is -- >> well, the original cause of the bombings. he's pretty much laying it on us. >> and the president has -- does this thing where he makes it so that at least partially he's the victim, too. and that seems to be part of what's happening. >> being a victim works for him. >> yeah. the president's a liar. he's always going to deflect blame. he's almost singularly responsible for this, i will say it. >> explain that. explain that. why did he cause the bombings?

>> because the direct aggression he speaks about in regards to the media and his political enemies is unlike anything we have seen in this country in 50 or 60 years. you almost have to get back to the early part of the 20th century where people were that nasty and aggressive about their opponents. barack obama, bill clinton, george bush, ronald reagan didn't talk about locking up their opponents, didn't call the press the enemy of the state. >> even spiro agnew didn't go further. >> i go a step further. i take this very personally. i'm a refugee from a country that obliterated the free press, killed many of them. and as a result, they led a desperate takeover without public opinion being in effect. so i don't like where we're headed in this country. i like free media. i like people who agree with me or disagree with me. but i like the fact that i live in a free environment where people can make their choices. i take this kind of line of situation very personally, chris, and i see dangers that

perhaps others in this country don't see. >> i fear what you just said because when we talk about the evils of the saudi arabian royal family, and i say, well, all those guys had those romantic notions of the castro brothers and all that crap, oh, they're great, romantic heroes. i said wait a minute, they killed the people who disagreed with them. they killed them. let's go to the next issue, the question about the race down in florida. tell us about this race between desantis and the mayor of tallahassee. >> fascinating. democrats haven't won a governor's race in florida in 24 years. gillum is a heck of a candidate. >> african-american guy. >> he was in third or fourth place in the polls. he came through. he's charismatic, smart. he was student body president at florida a&m when i was board trustee there, so i knew him. and but you know, he represents a progressive wing. and desantis represents the opposite wing. >> the hard right. >> the hard right.

>> let's look at this. in last night's debate there, current tallahassee mayor andrew gillum took a shot at former republican congressman ron desantis. let's watch. this is what you watch debates for. >> my grandmother used to say a hit dog will holler. and it hollered through this room. first of all, he's got neo nazis helping him out in the state. he's spoken at racist conferences. he's accepted a contribution and would not return it from someone who referred to the former president of the united states as a muslim n-i-g-g-e-r. i'm just saying the racists believe he's a racist. >> jason, sometimes you plan your attack and it works. that was a planned moment. >> and the set-up question, i think, was key. first off, it was an example of good local reporting. the moderator said, look, you went to this conference, this conference, they said this, this, and this. we didn't see desantis melt down. he screamed what the h-e-double

hockey sticks. how am i supposed to know what racist i spoke to. it was easy for gillum to say what he said. desantis is a classic example of what happens when a candidate melts down. i think he thought this race was going to be easier. he didn't show poise or control. they kept lobbing softballs. he made it easy for gillum to meme him. >> i think it's dramatic for an african-american to be governor. that hasn't happened much. doug wilder down here in a three-way race he managed to win, but this is just a hell of a race. >> it looks like it's going to be -- it's a very tight race. it's a very close race. just been ugly throughout. it's just ever since gillum won the primary, it's been ugly. >> let's hope there's no tom bradley effect. tom bradley was a great mayor, great police chief in l.a. and he lost to his guy that he only lost to because of racial reasons. that's the only reason i could think of.

your thoughts. >> you can't say republicans won't be helped by two things. one, we always do better when the turnout is low, and this turnout will be a lot higher than it was in 2014. it will be about 7.5 million people voting, which is like 2.5 million people more. >> who are you voting for? >> the fact that you're saying that is a bad sign for desantis. >> you don't have to answer. >> no, no. well, you know, my choice, but i'll say this. the fact that i'm speculating is only because i have a problem with donald trump. otherwise, you know, i would vote straight republican. but it's hard for me to vote for gillum because he's too progressive, frankly. >> you're not a fan. let me ask you about the bombing thing yesterday, whether it was intentional or just to scare people right down the line here, how is it going to affect this election? there's so much going on, news every day. voters out there get one vote. and it's really what they got,

to vote yes or no to the way things are going in the country. bl some of them have already voted or are voting right now as this is swirling around. i think at this point, it's way too early to know exactly. we don't know who did this. and that makes calculating what it means really hard. >> i don't think it changes the vote at all. i think this is going to happen. we'll see these kinds of things happen whether there's a blue wave or a blue trickle. the kind of violence engendered by the president and the lackeys in the republican congress that let him get away with it. >> two days without thinking about the caravan. i'm not kidding. it's distracting from what trump wanted us to think about. trump wants us thinking about the caravan. >> well, frankly, i blame some democrats for not stopping is a lack of compassion in talking about this caravan. i have friends who have been here at the caravan covering this for the press. i talked to them personally about it. these are not your typical economic migrants. these are people who had relatives killed, who come from

towns who have been totally taken over by narco traffickers. these are refugees just like the syrians and lebanese are refugees. if you want to talk about talk policy, fine, but to not have compassion for these people, or the middle easterners, ms-13, come on, these are 7,000 men, women and children fleeing from death. >> you're the best spokesperson on this. you are the best. >> come on. let's show some compassion here. >> i'm glad you're here. the round table is sticking with us. up next, they'll tell me something i don't know. or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.

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jason? >> chris, what you may have heard is that donald trump will have 4,000 young black conservatives coming to the white house for a turning point usa -- you may not have heard they conveniently rejected almost every single application from the black press. >> we don't hear it from the warriors. >> we'll see how long this bad marriage between populist nationalist party republicans and reagan/bush republicans. if donald trump pulls a miracle this cycle, it will last some more, this bad marriage. if we lose the house, and if we have some surprises in the governor's races, it may well be the beginning of a split. >> look at it this way, you've got david duke in the mix now. thank you to my panel. he's been endorsing nationalism. thank you, jason johnson. i know it's not funny. it's just hideous. when we return i'll finish tonight with trump watch. ...for that, and

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trump watch thursday october 25th, 2018. suppose those bombs sent to the two former presidents, the former vice president, the former secretary of state, a former attorney general, former cia director and the current member of congress had actually exploded. if that had happened yesterday, yesterday would be one of the most shell shocked days in our country's history. it wasn't trump's bomb. it wasn't his bomber.

but the list of targets was right out of trump's relentless rhetorical playbook. the bomber's enemies were his enemies. he has said so again and again and again. again, had those bombs gone off in the presence of their intended targets this day, this week, this year would have been marked in history. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in". >> this is clearly an effort to terrorize people politically. >> ten bombs so far. two sent to joe biden, one to obama, one to holder, one to clinton. one to george soros. one to cnn. two bombs to maxine waters. >> good 'ol maxine, low iq individual. >> and one bomb sent to robert de niro. [ bleep ] trump. >> michael mooren