remember from presidents past. all of them on days we would rather forget. that's our broadcast for this thursday night. we thank you so very much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. ♪ the investigation into the pipe bombs turns to florida. what investigators are saying and not saying as a tenth device is being examined. plus, new reaction from the president overnight, not on the investigation but about the news coverage. what he posted in a tweet less than two hours ago. and trump vows to, quote, bring out the military as he warned migrants headed to the u.s. to, quote, go back to your country. ♪ good morning. it's friday, october 26th. i'm ayman mohyeldin. we begin with the latest on the nationwide manhunt into the pipe

bomb investigation. senior law enforcement officials tell nbc news that investigators are now looking into whether some of the packages passed through the same mail facility in florida, possibly those addressed to president barack obama, hillary clinton, john brennan, eric holder and even maxine waters. officials are now dealing with ten separate packages that are all similar in nature. in fact, the latest was a second package addressed to former vice president joe biden, which was intercepted at a mail facility in delaware. early yesterday morning a similar package was discovered at robert de niro's production company in lower manhattan. all of the devices are being examined by the fbi in quantico, virginia. investigators say at least some of the devices were poorly made and had no possibility of exploding. we're also told that it is unclear if the flaws were intentional to make a convincing hoax or just bad design of construction. >> were these devices rigged to explode, or you think they were

more sent to intimidate? >> we're not going to give you 100% accurate description of what the devices were, but we have to treat them as live devices. this has a protocol that our bomb squad people use and it keeps everybody safe. >> joining us onset danny cevallos. this is all very, very serious, but legally speaking, where does this put us? >> there are several different categories of bomb when it's mailed like this. it could be something that would have gone off but law enforcement got to it in time. in this case, it's definitely a destructive device as defined by federal law, which actually subsumed destructive devices and bombs under the definition of firearms, strangely enough. moving forward if it's a dud, what does a dud mean? does this mean that all the component parts were there but something went wrong and the bomb didn't go off? in that case, it's still considered a firearm, and by

that i mean a destructive device under federal law. let's say instead it's something that looked like a bomb but never had anything explosive in it, never had any ability to detonate. in that case, it won't be a firearm or destructive device under federal law. but if it contains something like butane or something potentially flammable, it's at minimum something that's illegally non-mailable that was placed in the mail. so the component parts ultimately will be very important. a defendant will not get a hoax device or a hoax defense. the court won't even allow it if this is a device that was simply obviously a weapon or obviously intended to scare the heck out of people. >> when you take the hoax off the table for a moment, let's focus on the fact that these are real bombs intended to kill. when you take a look at the intended recipients, all of them political figures, most of them anti-trump figures.

does this open the door for this to be a terrorism-related charge in, in fact, the individual behind this is using, as you just mentioned, real explosives with real intent to harm? >> when you look at the legal definition of terrorism, this appears likely, because terrorism is defined -- and i'm paraphrasing -- as acts that are intended to intimidate or change policy or intimidate large groups of people. so with that loose definition of terrorism, it's highly likely that somebody, depending on what the investigation yields and what the intent behind sending these devices was, this could be considered an act of terrorism. >> i just want to double check. so firearm, it has to have something that would have been flammable, something that would blow up, or not necessarily? >> it does. you need the component parts for it to be considered a destructive device which is part of the definition of firearm under federal law. but as long as those component parts are there, a fusing

system, a charge. i've been hearing there was shrapnel of some kind in the form of glass. that's the kind of thing that will take it out of a defensive, hey, these were just fire crackers, these were something that would just go pop, but wouldn't actually hurt anybody. those facts like glass and other shrapnel indicate that this is out of the realm of a normal device that you might find in commerce and a destructive device ended for use as a weapon. meanwhile, president trump continues to take digs at the media. at 2:48 this morning, the president was up apparently. he needed, funny how lowly rated cnn and others can criticize. that post was quickly deleted. then he completed his thought 30 minutes later tweeting, funny how lowly rated cnn and ors can criticize me at will, even

blaming me for the current spate of bombs and ridiculously comparing this to september 11th and the oklahoma city bombing. yet when i criticize them, they go wild and scream, it's just not presidential. the white house says the president has spoke to new york governor andrew cuomo. he has not reached out to former president obama, one of the people targeted. trump did take a dig yesterday at the department of health and human services. >> i understand it's been decades since the last president came here and i'm very surprised that president obama didn't come here for obamacare. explain that one to me, but he didn't. >> several prominent republicans backed up the president's response to the mail bombs by criticizing news organizations. here's rnc chairwoman row that mcdaniel, senator ted cruz and newt gingrich. >> we have seen the media be unprecedented in their negative

coverage of this president. the president's right in saying let's have civility in our news coverage. let's have some fair-minded news coverage in this country and not have the bias that's so strong on other networks especially. >> hook, it's the media doing what the media does, which is any narrative that they can twist against trump, they will do so. >> i don't think it helps any, except i think that they earn it. if you're overseas and you watch cnn international, you know the russians don't have to run any propaganda television. there's no more anti-american network than cnn international. >> this is fox news contributor -- >> i used to work for cnn. the culture of that building is is so relentlessly hostile that what are you going to call them? >> one of the more noticeable aspects of this election season

has been the rhetoric by president trump on that migrant caravan that's heading to the united states that's currently more than a thousand miles away from the u.s. border. yesterday president trump tweeted he's bringing out the military for what he calls a national emergency and that immigration laws must be handed there -- >> i think he meant to say changed. >> anyway, later adding to those in the caravan, turn around, we are not letting people in the united states illegally. go back to your country and if you want apply for citizenship like millions of others are doing. it all comes after jim mattis is expected to order around 800 troops to the border with mexico. the troops are expected to be in place by the middle of next week. in addition, the trump administration is considering an executive order which would close mexico's southern border to migrants.

multiple sour according to an official, one of the more extreme measures under consideration includes not allowing migrants to claim asylum. switching to matters of national security, multiple u.s. if i belie officials tell nbc news they have been concerned for months that president trump has been discussing information on unsecured cell phone calls. the "new york times" says chinese and russian spies are routinely able to listen in on president trump's cell phone calls since none of them are secure and can be easily exploited, also noting that the president uses one of three iphones, one of which is no different than those available to the general public. now, yesterday the president tweeted ironically from an

iphone that the times report was long and boring and so incorrect that i don't have time to correct it. i only use government phones and have only one seldom used government cell phone. story is so wrong. he said he's glad china was included adding quote i rarely use a cell phone. i like hard lines. the president put out a statement saying he has only one official government iphone and not three and that security for the phone follows industry best practices. greg gianforte was asked why he initially lied about the incident and he stood by his original version. quote, the statement i gave was my recollection of what occurred and i also am bound by my

settlement agreement with ben jacobs to not talk about the incident. we both agreed i was not going to take full responsibility. i regret what happened and i did take full responsibility. he told police that jacobs attacked him first and his campaign released a statement saying jacobs was, in fact, the aggressor, claims that fell apart when jacobs released his recording of the attack. jacobs agreed not to sue after he donated 50 thousand doll$50, committee to protect journalists. yesterday the reporter's attorney sent a creaease and det letter threatening to cancel the agreement if the congressman doesn't stop lying. the cia director is back from turkey with her findings on the murder of "washington post" columnist jamal kashoggi. and michael avenatti loves to talk to the press, but something he said in an

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welcome back, everyone. saudi arabia's ever-evolving explanation for jamal kashoggi's death has changed once again after initially claiming for weeks that kashoggi left the saudi consulate in istanbul on his own, the kingdom later said that kashoggi died during a fistfight while rogue agents tried to bring him to saudi arabia. now the saudi attorney general is saying that evidence suggests that kashoggi's murder inside the consulate building was actually premeditated. cia director gina haspel has returned from turkey and she briefed the president yesterday on her findings and discussions. it's unclear if she listened to audio turkey says it had on kashoggi's torture and murder. one of kashoggi's sons who was forced to meet with the crown

prince earlier this week and who was reportedly banned from leaving saudi arabia has actually been allowed to return to the united states. the head of the senate judiciary committee has referred attorney michael avenatti and one of his clients to the justice department for a criminal investigation over their allegations against supreme court justice brett kavanagh. committee chairman chuck grassly alleges that avenatti made false statements about kavanaugh during his confirmation process. last month avenatti tweeted a sworn declaration from swetnick in which she claimed kavanaugh was present at gang rapes. she also claimed that kavanaugh tried to get several women drunk at gatherings.

in an interview earlier this month, swetnick backtracked or contradicted parking l eed part statement. in a text to nbc earlier this month the woman said that it was incorrect to say that she saw brett kavanagh spike the punch at high school parties in order to take advantage of girls. >> as avenatti toys with the idea of a potential presidential run in 2020, he suggeat down wi time magazine for an interview back in june where he discussed his unprecedented rise to a household name over the past

year among other things. when asked who he envisioned as a democratic challenger to trump in 2020, avenatti said i think it better be a white male. avenatti's june comments have resurfaced as he drummed up more interest in a potential run for president. avenatti tweeted, quote, i have consistently called on white males like me to step up, take responsibility and be a part of stopping the sexism and bigotry. the first nor'easter of the season. >> the rain, the wind, but not a lot of snow with this one. it is going to cancel a lot of people's flights and of course your outdoor plans.

it we have rainy weather back through northern illinois and indiana. we just have a little bit of issues with coastal flooding. we have new coastal flood warnings out for the jersey shore, new york city and long island. minor flooding is expected with the high tide saturday morning. could be high enough that we get some beach erosion. here's the timing of this mess. this as we wake up saturday morning. the rainfall all through the northeast spreading northwards quickly during the morning. not a lot of snow, only the highest of elevations will get snow out of this. by the time we get to saturday evening the storm is almost right over the top of new york. the rain is done in washington, d.c. saturday afternoon, but still kind of rainy philadelphia to new york. the rainfall forecast does have as much as 1 1/2 inches of rain

from boston to new york, also the potential for wind gusts in the 40-50 miles an hour range. saturday is the day philadelphia, hartford, new york city airports, boston too that you could have cancellations and delays. rainy weather arrives through areas of virginia. the weekend forecast, there's the saturday mess. notice the middle of the country is good. when we get rid of the storm in the northeast on sunday, a new storm dives down with some wet weather for your sunday afternoon. the bottom line is it's a nor'easter, but it's more of an inconvenience, cancellation of flights, plans and also any outdoor activities for halloween. still ahead, we continue to follow the latest with the pipe bomb scare as the search for answers takes investigators to

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♪ ♪ welcome back, everyone. it is just about the bottom of the hour. >> so the nationwide manhunt for the suspect behind the pipe bombs sent to democratic leaders is focusing in on florida. officials say they're actually looking at whether some of the ten packages intercepted actually went through the same mail facility in that state. pete williams has all the details. >> reporter: new york police hauled away an eighth package

similar to all the others addressed to actor robert de niro and delivered to the building where his restaurant is located. then two more found in postal facilities in delaware, both addressed to joe biden. that brings the number of virtually identical packages to ten, with two of them addressed to congresswoman maxine water passenger. investigators say they now believe all were sent through the mail, including the one delivered by kcourier to cnn eat headquarters. some were postmarked, suggesting some may have been mailed from the same state, florida. investigators are working to narrow down which post office was the first to handle them. at the fbi lack outside washington, an evidence windfall because it's extremely unusual to have so many intact devices in a bombing investigation. only one found monday in the mailbox of george soros was

damaged. police conduct add contred a co detonation to render that one safe. all so far appear to be made with one-inch pvc pipe capped at the ends and filled with explosive powder. broken glass was added to act as slapper. taped to the side was a timer, though it's not clear what its exact function was. police say they found no wires attached to the envelopes that would trigger the bombs when the packages were open. it's unknown for they made to be convincing hoaxes to cause fear or if the bomb maker's design was simply flawed. but first responders are treating them all as potentially dangerous. >> we have to treat them as live devices. this is a protocol that our bomb squad people use and it keeps everybody safe.

k >> reporter: fbi lab analysts are now taking the bombs apart bit by bit. everything that went into them is a potential clue. >> you've got pvc pipe for example. perhaps there's a bar code on that that might tell what store it was sold in. >> reporter: fbi and the new york police urge people anywhere in the u.s. to call in tips if they believe they know something that could help crack the case. federal prosecutors in new york confirmed thursday that the investigation which led to the guilty plea of president trump's former attorney michael cohen is still active. as part of the ongoing investigation, prosecutors are opposing requests to unseal documents related to the fbi's april raid of cohen's office and residences. earlier this month, the "new york times" asked to have the search warrant findings unsealed due to their particularly high public interest level. prosecutors responded on

thursday with their own filing, arguing that the request encompasses materials that if disclosed would reveal a substantial amount of nonpublic sensitive detail about a grand jury investigation as well as information about uncharged numerous third parties. cohen also implicated trump by alleging that the illegal actions were, quote, in coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office. although cohen had no formal cooperation agreement as part of his plea deal, he has been in talks with state and federal prosecutors including some from robert mueller's office. michael cohen is scheduled to be sentenced in december. joining us onset, danny cevallos. how could unsealing sensitive court documents related to the ongoing investigation actually help a prosecutor's case in this situation? >> generally they're going to oppose it because they don't want this information revealed. on one hand, court records are

presumptively open to the public, but there's an exception where the criminal investigation requires secrecy not just because there are targets out there that might abscond if they know they're targets, but also unnamed third parties who are simply tangential to the investigation. they might be damaged by the release of information. so this is one of those circumstances that over comes the presumption that court records should be open. the implication is clear. if the document is arguing there are still uncharged third parties out there, you can fill in the blanks and they may be talking about some of the people that michael cohen mentioned in the course of his guilty plea. one of those people is the president. you remember that was a huge revelation when in open court he admitted to conduct that was criminal, conduct that had been reported as requiring another person, the president, because it was part of a cover-up

allegedly. >> or a candidate running for federal office. which i guess could be anybody that ran for office, but i think we all know who it was. that was an example of in the spirit of nixon an unindicted coupc coconspirator. going back to the type bomb, if and when this person or persons are caught, what are the charges they face? nothing was exploded but it had all the mechanics of being an explosive device. >> one of the most serious crimes under federal law is using a firearm in connection with a crime of violence. now, a firearm is not typically what you think of as a bomb, but that is the definition of a bomb. it's under the definition of firearm under federal law. and the crime of violence, a defendant might argue, hey, a

crime of violence is stick em up, give me all your money, but courts have held that the act of placing a bomb in the mail while itself is not inherently violent, falls within that category. you asked about the components of a bomb. as long as all the kpaecomponen are there to make the thing explode, if it was ready capable of exploding if just a couple of things were different, then yes, it's a destructive device. if it's a true dud that never could have exploded no matter what, then it may not be a destructive device, but it will probably fall within several other federal statutes, criminalizing the kind of behavior that terrorizes the public at large. there are just 11 days until the midterms. new numbers show that early voting has already outpaced the votes cast at this point in 2016. more than 8.1 million early or

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edge. > i don't think he has any fear of the democrats' ability to investigate. >> he's been raising that fear out there. >> sure, because he wants everyone to go vote. >> and what about if they subpoena his tax returns? >> then they'll be trapped into appealing to the supreme court and we'll see whether or not the k kavanaugh fight was worth it. >> so during his confirmation hearings justice kavanaugh twice declined to support his own questions from senator diane feinstein. >> can a sitting president be required to respond to a subpoena? >> so that's a hypothetical question about what would be an

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healthy. but said something could happen to me in the next four years. i don't want a democrat appointing a successor. >> that is an interesting campaign strategy. new york senator kirsten gillibrand promised to serve her full term. >> you have not spent a lot of money in this reelection campaign. you have millions of dollars in your campaign coffers. many say you are saving that money for a presidential run in 2020. can you say if reelected you will serve out your six-year senate term. >> i will. >> gillibrand leads by 25% in the polls. let's get a check on your weather with nbc meteorologist bill karins.

bill is tracking some rainy weather today. >> the weekend is going to be a mix. it's going to be one day kind of a washout in the east, then sunday gets better. the rainy weather this morning, if we're going to get airport delays, charlotte looks to be one of them. eventually the rain will be over rally. it's not thunderstorms, so i don't expect a ton of cancellations but we will get some delays out of it. the rainfall forecast is not heavy enough to cause flooding. localized ponding on the roads will be the worst of it. a few spots could get up towards two inches or rain, but again, not expecting huge flooding concerns. the winds start to pick up, especially coastal areas of north carolina getting into the 30 mile an hour range. new york city we wake up to rain. there are still leaves on the trees so we could get some

isolated power outages from wind gusts in the 40-45 mile an hour range. saturday evening in boston, up to 44. that will be the highest winds for you. then the wind head up into maine. isolated power outages, a period of six to ten hours of rain. there's some great weather today. middle of the country looks good, but we are still seeing that very cold air mass in place. it is a chilly morning from the ohio valley all the way through the northeast. temperatures still running about 10-15 degrees below normal. we'll call this one a cold rain. it's better than a snowy nor'easter. still ahead, the white house looks to jump start the next

generation of mobile phone service. plus, google reveals it has fired dozens over sexual harassment amid accusations of protecting high powered male employees.

commerce secretary wilbur ross is once again in hot water over more possible conflict of interest violations. in march of 2017, ross hosted

several chevron executives in his conference room. both the commerce department and chevron refused to say what was discussed. however, a government watchdog group won a lawsuit and hasased reveals that the meeting focused on trade issues. shortly after that meeting, ross's calendar shows he met with the ceo of boeing. at the time of that meeting ross's wife owned a stake in boeing of more than $2 million. federal law prohibits officials from taking certain actions that affect financial interests held by them or their spouses.

in a memo signed yesterday, president trump ordered federal agencies to develop a national strategy for the next generation of high speed wireless networks, opening up the air waves for a commercial 5g. this is big news. talking of huge sums of money, an executive at google walk away with a $90 million payoff.

but fired after an employee was fired. the company is, in consequence of this, acknowledged it's terminated 48 employees over the last two years on charges of sexual misconduct. 30 of those by senior executives. >> that's pretty stunning. while we're on the topic of google, alphabet and amazon both reporting impacted earnings. how will that impact the markets? >> people are concerned about the economic uncertainty, which stage we're in in the global economic cycle. when these tech firms announced that their outlooks are not as rosy as they seemed to have been. markets are looking to open significantly lower in the next couple of hours. that seems to indicate the sell-off is going to continue in

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we've been waiting for it all hour. joining us now, national political reporter for axios, jonathan swan with a good morning to you. >> it's not every day we get you jonathan swan. >> get to it. what is the one big thing you guys have this morning? >> the murder of jamal khashoggi has thrown a significant wrench into the white house's middle east peace plan, such as they are. we've been hearing about this

peace plan for quite some time. we don't actually know any details because it's been kept so secretive inside the white house. but president trump imposed an artificial deadline in september saying they would reveal the jared kushner peace plan within two to four months. the khashoggi killing has thrown a wrench into that and the white house is now having to deal with a situation in which they have invested a huge amount of capital in mohammed bin salman in saudi arabia as a leader in the middle east and also for help in their economic portion of the plan. >> so, yeah, help us understand and help our viewers he, as well, understand why the killing of a saudi journalist at the hands of a saudi arabian government would necessarily derail the white house's efforts to impose a peace plan on the israelis and palestinians. connect the dots for us. >> you should be clear. i don't think it had will actually end up derailing. i think they will end up releasing this plan. but it will damage it because

what they have been rehad lying on under the jared kushner and jason greenblack theory of the universe is that the saudis would be a really important ally in the region to rally arab states who are not necessarily friendly towards israel, you know, to sort of put pressure on the palestinians to agree to the plan. and also, frankly, to put up money for the economic development part of it. when you hear jared kushner talk about the plan and he's done so publicly, it does sound a little bit like a real estate deal. it's -- you know, they haven't been talking to the palestinians. the palestinians cut off all contact after they moved the embassy. but it's going to be here is the plan and here is a -- basically a cash bonanza and real estate development, you know, sort of here is this awesome opportunity for you economically. that's going to be a pretty major component of the plan. >> okay. you know, the president has spent so much time, jonathan,

out on the road. he's at these campaign rallies. he sometimes does two a day. so there's some data you guys have on what the president has in terms of the strategy here. what is this? >> so our teams has crunched the data on all the rallies the president has done, both done and that we know have scheduled ahead of 34, only 9 were in districts, congressional districts that hillary clinton won, which tells you -- i mean, we already know this, but it really puts a spotlight on the fact that this is not about persuasion. this is not about changing anyone's mind. the president is a very, very blunt tool being used to energize the republican base. and he's very effective at that. he's incredibly popular among republicans. but there ain't going to be any minds changed as a result of this campaigning. >> so what are you looking for in the final days ahead of the

midterm elections? >> well, we scoop that he is going to be -- the plan is from about wednesday next week for him to do as many as two states a day. >> wow. >> which is an incredible blitz leading into election day. frankly, this is what he loves doing the most. he loves the crowds and the adulations and being out there on the trail. part of the problem is he was asking for four a day earlier in the year and the secret service were not so hot on that idea. >> i can imagine. >> he found out there's no air force one miles, probably. >> you could pupil put him in a dodge caravan. >> but the bottom like is he doesn't want to see what happens to most presidents in the midterms. he's doing everything he can to make sure -- >> this is a referendum about him, i would say. >> he says act as if you're voting for me. >> the challenge is, of course, when he goes somewhere, he revs up republicans, but he also revs up independents and democrats.

so it's a challenging equation. >> seems like it's going to come out to voter turnout, as everyone is expecting. >>s as always, yes. thank you, jonathan. we'll see you a "morning joe" he in just a little bit. to all of our viewers, sign up for the newsletter at signup. signup.axios.com. >> "morning joe" starts right now. >> a democrat, a press release comes out and you guys are asking me about it in this top race of the country, it's ridiculous. can can we talk about economic opportunity? >> do you know if any of your staff is getting their health care through the aca? >> dennis, can we please talk about the things that matter to most voters instead of repeating the press releases. this is ridiculous. honestly. do you have anything to talk about, like the caravan?