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that and i wish i could, i'm struggling with that. i don't know. that it. i don't know. >> i'm craig melvin. >> and i'm natalie morales. >> and this is dateline. >> the neighborhood is everything burglars wanted to find, private yards, wealthy homes. >> she has the worst impossible luck in that he picked her. >> yes. >> i'd like to report an attempted break in. >> a mother, home alone, caught as she walks into an ambush in her backyard. >> how does somebody die within
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a matter of seconds with officers all around her home. >> surreal. it was awful. it all came crashing down. >> your first thought. >> it's a burglary gone wrong. >> but the killer caught red handed starts pointing fingers. >> this is a guy who aspired to be a hitman. >> she was a sitting charger. >> you don't charge them all with murders. >> i have no facts. >> so detectives lay a trap. >> he was already really paranoid about being set up. >> he held up a note that said are you wired. >> will they catch their prey? >> you hold your breath. the world kind of stops. >> you never think it's going to be you. >> no. the young man is right. in fact, this is the kind of
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thing that just doesn't happen. >> never. never would have thought i would have ever seen anything like this. >> no, not here. not in this neighborhood, in this house. but certainly not, surely not at the very moment when at least three policemen were just outside the front door and just over the backyard wall not more than 30 feet away. >> we had to be told a few times just to get it in our head what happened. >> what happened here in broad daylight under the very noses of the cops was murder. >> long beach, california. >> a lot of people assume it's like l.a., but it's not. it's different. it has its own identity. >> different culturally? >> i think so. i think long beach is sort of its own beast. >> sure.
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>> it's a little more working class. >> yes and it's one of those 50 suburbs in search of a city that everybody calls l.a. but long beach is a city unto itself. half a million people, 52 square miles, a busy airport, a big university, an ocean front, a long beach, and it's share of wealth and poverty, and of course, crime. >> lots of scope for a person who is -- >> no shortage of work if you cover crime. >> she covered the police beat at the local paper, the long beach press telegraph. the cops trusted her so maybe that's why one november morning. >> a contact in the police department came over to me in the midst of this press conference and said you need to go now, and i was a little taken aback. >> taken aback because bixby was
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not a name you heard on the crime beat. so it was very clear to me something major was going on. packed up my stuff, ran out the door and got to the scene. >> the scene was in bixb bixby knolls. quite leave it to beaver homes on carefully tended streets. violent crime is unheard of in bixby knolls which is how they like it here. maybe that's why if they grew up here they rarely leave. >> everybody is very friendly and always waving. you don't get that a lot in southern california. >> rachel still lives in the house she grew up in. >> we didn't have to worry about anyone ever hurting us or coming after us. it was a really safe neighborhood. >> but then came that november morning when tracy roars over
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there in her car. >> i have no idea what i was going to find but i knew based on how i was told about it, that it was going to be something, you know, very bad. >> oh, and it was. >> i was barely out of my car before i saw the homicide lieutenant, the homicide sergeant, two commanders and obviously a bank of black and whites. so my first thoughts was there was an officer involved shooting. an officer had been shot and killed or an officer had shot someone. >> no, not that. what really happened was far stranger than that. >> long beach police department. >> i'd like to report an attempted break in going on at the moment. >> the neighbor saw it. like the start of some movie rolling out in slow motion. it was 11:03:00 a.m. >> it's taking place at my neighbors which is the house just to the west of me. >> one just west of you?
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>> yes. >> the caller's next door neighbor. several cops responded. they were there in minutes and as they talked to the 911 caller they heard and saw a little white dog barking from a window. >> it was a little american eskimo or something. >> a yappy dog. >> a petite framed woman came to the window to see what her dog was talking about. be wi he finally opened the door. >> they got a call from a neighbor that they saw a prowler and would it be okay if they looked in her backyard and looked around the house. and she said that was fine. >> but hold on the woman said to the police, let me grab the key, the gate is locked. >> so she closes the front door, walks through the house and
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walks out the back door. >> three cops waited outside the front door. two more cops pulled in right here in the alley behind the house. and then, to their great surprise, the prowler jumped over the backyard wall, practically into their arms. they searched him and found jewelry and a taser and a cell phone and a knife with blood on it. the cops out front waited for the woman to return. she didn't. ten seconds, 20 seconds, did a minute go by? they decided time to go in. they opened the door, looked through the house and what they saw was not just terrible, but a deception, a piece of pure evil. coming up, what could have happened in that house while it was surrounded by police officers. >> i didn't believe it. i thought it was a joke. >> until your father arrived with tears in his eyes. >> that was when i knew
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>> it was a mild day and as usual it was quite at bixb bixby knolls in long beach. quite, and in that quite, more m menacing than anybody understood. the police waited outside of the door. she closed the door in their faces and went in search for the key for the gate to the yard. seconds tick by. the dog barked. the woman didn't return. so the cops went in. too late. >> she was attacked and she was killed right then and there while the officer was on her front porch. >> just extraordinary. >> the victim was 50 years old. when she found her lying quite
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dead just outside her own back door, they could clearly see the bright red gash across her throat. how was it possible? the policemen were just outside her front door and more cars were in alert mode out in the alley, but the only witness to the silent murder was her little dog zoey. horrified officers found her lying by lynn's side. her white coat spattered red. back at police headquaters, cops heard the chatter. >> we were sitting in the office and we used to have a police radio on listening to what was going on in the street. >> this was bad. >> we were right down the hall from homicide and knew right away this turned into a call out where somebody got hit. >> now crisis mode. he took the call. get down there fast.
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>> your first thought at that time, do you remember what it was? >> it's a burglary gone wrong. >> did you think how could we screw up like that. >> you try to discern why she did what she did. what did the officers say? >> why did she go back in the house? why did the cops let her? why didn't they move in faster? how could they let the murder happen right under their noses. >> that was really disturbing and, you know, you hate to second judge another cop, but there were mistakes made. >> after all, a neighbor reported a prowler in the back alley. a prowler that may have sneaked into her house, but she, the victim, didn't seem to believe that. >> she had a little dog that barked at butterflies. there's nobody in the backyard. this dog would have alerted me to anybody. >> but she was wrong.
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>> she was wrong. >> her son charlie was a freshman in high school then. he was sitting in math class. somebody told him he was wanted in the principal's office. on the way there, he thought he was in trouble, and then when they told him -- >> i didn't believe it. i thought it was a joke. >> until your father arrived with tears in his eyes. >> that was when i knew something was wrong. >> his father manfred, or fred as most people call him, came to take charlie home. >> how was your father? >> upset. he was crying and he couldn't drive. you know, i didn't really have eyes for him in that moment. >> you were just a mess. >> yeah. >> and charlie still could not believe what he was hearing. >> it really didn't set in really until i actually saw the house. then, it all came crashing down. >> his home was a crime scene. >> the house was taped off and
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people going in and out of the house. a lot of neighbors around. like everything you see on tv. >> you never think it's going to be you. >> no, it's surreal. very much so. >> what does that loss feel like? >> yeah. i can't put it into words. it was tremendous. it was awful. i immediately called mark and then i babbling on the phone. like how do you even speak. >> mark is charlie's uncle, lynn's brother. >> after the initial shock, there's disbelief. didn't burst into tears right away. i didn't start screaming. i was just stunned. >> lynn grew up in ohio. she was the baby of the family. the only girl. here she is with her two older brothers john and mark. but lynn was not like them.
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>> she was a tentative girl, where as my brother and i were very outgoing. >> their father died young. lynn often fought with her mother. >> co-dependent, love-hate, call it what you want. >> she got married, moved to california with a brand new husband that didn't workout. ended pretty quickly, but then one day she went to a ball game, dodgers versus somebody, who knows, and she found him. the right guy. her guy. he was almost 14 years older than she was but didn't matter. and fred was a very successful man. anyway, this time it clicked. they had an intimate wedding on a boat off the california coast. the period ka tan dcaptain did they lived alone together in that house in bixby knolls until after 11 years they had a son
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that grew up to be charlie. they encouraged him to try new things. >> on the olympics we were watching and i told my parents i want to do that and a month later i enrolled in gymnastics. it was a very much supportive environment. >> and lynn doted on her only son. >> she loved him more than life itself. he was the center of her universe. >> so after what happened, mark flew out to california right away to comfort charlie and fred and to make funeral arrangements for his only sister, lynn. and at the very same time as if in another world all together, a world devoted to violent crime, the detective poked around this burglary gone bad. he could perhaps write up a report and be done with it and make the bad press go away. but no, he was a troubled man.
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>> we said we know something is wrong. my partner and i just feel something is wrong, but we don't know yet. >> wrong? well of course it was. but the wrong the detective had in mind was not the grief or the loss thrown at the police. no it was almost like a smell. the kind that sticks in your nose. something off. >> coming up, one of the strangest things of all was the alleged killer himself, not your typical burglar. >> in his words, he always wanted to be a cop. >> and this wasn't your typical burglary. >> i worked burglary for years and i've never had this. >> when dateline continues. had. >> when dateline continues from the very beginning, it was always our
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>> beautiful neighborhood and wonderful place to grow up. take my dog with me. >> he was lucky, too, to have lynn for a mother. >> how did she make you feel? >> like a parent should. safe, happy, welcome, loving, just good. >> but now lynn shockner was gone. killed in a burglary, and charlie, just 13 and grief stricken was so angry at the police. >> you didn't do your job, how could that happen with you being right there? that's just negligence.
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>> charlie was far from the only one. this was a broad daylight murder. police officers just outside the front door when it happened. >> i can imagine that people would be upset in the neighborhood that a burglar had been there, had robbed a house and killed a woman and the cops couldn't prevent it. >> right. i think the majority of the neighborhood was just stunned and shocked by the violence, you know? how does somebody who is in her own home die within a matter of seconds with officers all around her home. there was fear and of course anger. cops often tend to pull together in the face of a thing like that, but in private, harsh judgment to the undercover cop, chris nelson. >> i'm sorry. just don't let her go back into a situation like that. police 101.
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at the minimum, you go with her. >> what was the feeling and the talk around the department when this happened? >> [ bleep ]. >> the detective used to asking tough questions suddenly found himself answering. >> i have to think that the department would adopt a bit of a defensive stance at that point. how did you let that happen? >> yeah. you're trying to defend the officers. you're waiting for someone to bring you a key and they waited a short period of time. within a minute. they're yelling for her. are you going to come back? hello, where are you? >> just a minute or so. enough for lynn to surprise the burglar who stabbed her in the neck and grabbed some jewelry and ran into the arms of the police. the detective prowled around the crime scene. >> we see the bedroom drawers were open, jewelry.
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things are thrown around. a lot of things in disarray. >> a standard daytime burglary gone horribly bad of course when lynn encountered the robber. but one thing stood out. the bloody knife. >> i worked burglary division for four years and i have never had someone come with a device used simply for killing. >> so time to focus on the so-called burglar caught with a bloody knife in his pocket. his name was nicholas harvey. he was 22 years old and this was unusual. >> he didn't have a criminal background. never been in trouble with the law before. >> seemed like a reasonably nice young man. >> yeah, very personal. he came across that way. in his words he always wanted to be a cop sometime in his life. >> here he is robbing and killing a woman. >> correct. an athlete in high school. still worked out a lot. was a personal trainer at his local gym. >> a big muscle character.
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>> that's way up the coast. >> that's up. >> about 70 miles from the crime scene. why would he commit a robbery so far away from home. >> that's one of the flags that immediately came up. >> when they first asked him, nick game them an answer that didn't make sense. >> his initial story was i heard this was a good area. >> really? there wasn't a good area closer to home? >> well he gave them another answer. >> he wanted to get out of the area. he worked out with local police officers and he felt they would recognize him. >> when he said that, did it seem plausible? >> no, it wasn't plausible at all. >> one other thing, remember how when police arrested him they found jewelry in his pocket?
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turned out, it was fake. even though lynn had lots of real diamonds right there to be taken alodng with valuable item. >> you're going to make the effort to get the good stuff, but he din. >> so either nick harvey was the world's worst burglar or burglary wasn't the point of the visit. detectives pushed him hard. >> he didn't want to change the story, we walk out of there saying this is not what it seems to be. >> just a hunch, of course. no way to prove it. until 70 miles up the coast, a man picked up the phone to call the police. n picked up the phon the police >> coming up, a family feud. >> i wrote that letter and signed the letter and handed it to my sister. >> what's that all about? >> when dateline continues. abot >> when dateline continues
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president trump is calling the deadly mass shooting inside the pittsburgh synagogue an assault on all of us. police are investigating the attack as a hate crime. a gunman killed 11 people and injured six others including four police officers. they're looking carefully at his social media accounts that appear to have antremarks. one said screw your optics, i'm going in. back to dateline. >> the detective didn't believe for a moment that he was investigating a burglary gone bad. for one thing, the guy doesn't travel 70 miles just to break into a house. but for all his suspicions, he couldn't prove a thing. that is until a man who knew nick harvey called the police
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and said -- >> nick harvey came to him and offered him some money to say, can you drive me down to long beach. >> he agreed. they met at a park-in-ride parking lot and he drove nick's car. nick told him why he needed to go to long beach. >> it was going for that reason. >> honestly, he had no idea the agenda included murder, said the driver. >> he never knew he was going to take someone's life. >> of course the guy was probably lying. so they put him under arrest. anyway, his claim that he thought he was driving a drug enforcer didn't make a lick of sense. the notion that suburban housewife was somehow tangled up with drug dealers that had been targeted for execution was prepostero preposterous. she was living a quite life,
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living with a man that had a lot going for him. >> a healthy man. >> he earned top dollar in the aerospace industry. not to mention all the family money he inherited. >> they were able to afford things that none of us growing up could possibly afford. we were blue collar working class people a, and we didn't kw many millionaires growing up. >> he bought her things? >> right out of the gate, they bought a very nice home in an exclusive suburb of long beach, bixby knolls, so that was a big step up. >> mark remembers flying out to see lynn after she got married. >> she was dying to show off her home, show off her new life. >> lynn seemed happy, said mark. >> she set out, i think with special determination, having
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had her first marriage not last, to make this one work and function. >> to make a complete family. a desire that only intensified once charlie was involved. >> she wanted her son to be the best person he could be and would stop at nothing to make sure that he got there. >> the shockners were considered a perfectly normal and upscale family. not the kind of people that would be targeted by drug dealers. of course members of the family had a slightly more intimate perspective. mark, for example, loved his sister. but found fred a little obnoxious. >> he wasn't shy about dropping hints about the extent of his holdings. >> mark didn't see them very often. he lived in georgia, but when he did come to visit in long beach,
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fred always managed to monopolize the conversation and somehow stick mark with the deal. >> cheap, totally opinionated, absolutely self-involved. >> so when he invited lynn and charlie to visit him in georgia. >> i basically told my sister not to bother to bring him. stay as long as she wanted, but leave her old man at home. >> on one of those victims mark told lynn exactly how he felt. >> i said how can you let someone run your life and forget about yourself? >> afterward he sat down and wrote many of the same things in a harshly worded letter to fred. >> i wrote that letter. i signed the letter. i handed it to my sister and i dared her to give it to him. >> did you think she actually would? >> i didn't know. but she did. >> that took guts. >> it did. >> and frankly, mark was pleased
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when a few years later after a quarter century of marriage, lynn told him they were splitting and fred moved out of the house in bixby knolls. >> did she change somehow after your father left? >> she seemed freer. she seemed happier. more able to get excited, just really interested in everything and very light hearted. >> but her happiness was short lived. and when mark first heard she was murdered, his mind went to a very dark place. could fred have had something to do with it? but as much as he disliked fred, he couldn't see it. >> there were no connections in their personal life to this person that committed the crime. >> no, it seemed pretty clear, fred had nothing to do with lynn's murder. besides, lynn changed the locks on the house after fred moved out. could it be someone she hired to
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install protection actually came back to rob her and wound up killing her? after all such a person would have seen that lynn had valuable things around her house, in this very nice neighborhood. >> the neighborhood had everything a burglar wanted to find. private yards. >> sure. >> wealthy homes. >> and she had the worst impossible luck in that he picked her. >> yes. >> and now the family came together in grief. and when he saw fred -- >> we hugged. traded condolences. within five or ten minutes, he mentioned the letter. he said do you still believe that? i said no, that's water over the bridge. we need to get on to our family. we need to stick together. >> fred moved back into the family home. he and charlie and the rest of
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the family leaned on each other. well, around the neighborhood, people absorbed the news that police had the driver and possible accomplice in custody. people wondered were more people involved. >> there was concern that more people would come back to more homes and they were vie lolent. >> but that soon turned to anger. the police let the driver go. coming up, detectives were convinced nick harvey didn't have a motive to commit murder, but maybe someone else did. >> my partner discovered that there was a person he talked to multiple times right before the murder. >> when dateline continues. the murder. >> when dateline continues copd makes it hard to breathe.
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>> criticism was intense. >> my understanding was one of the officers on the call had a nervous breakdown or an episode like that afterward because it was just too much for him. >> the detective knew even as he
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investigated lynn's murder that her family was angry with the police. >> they were. they were upset like anybody would be. everybody else was upset that we didn't do our job to protect someone's life because that's what we're supposed to do. and just as quickly released him. that's exactly what he did. release the man that admitted he had driven the killer to the crime scene. but the detective had a plan. >> we actually put an active feed on his phone. he want to find out who he is talking to. we have the driver. we have the killer. now we'll find out if more people are involved. >> he didn't believe nick harvey was a drug enforcer. he didn't buy it. though he hoped that by
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releasing the driver and tapping his phone, he could uncover what was really going on. there was just one problem, after he was let go, the driver didn't reach out to anyone. >> the only person he ever spoke to was nick harvey. >> no, the driver was not part of anything. he had nothing whatever to do with lynn's murder. >> so he was telling the truth. >> turned out, yes. >> dead end. so they kept on digging into nick's background. and remember, this is a guy with a clean record. he came off like a perfectly ordinary young man. >> we talked to the family. they were all incredulous that he would never do anything like that. >> nick's family. >> it didn't fit him. it didn't fit his per is sona. >> when you asked his family about him, how would they characterize him? >> he worked out a lot. he was doing steroids. but was actually a trainer for a
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local gym up there. that's all he did. he was a bouncer at a bar. not in trouble. he wasn't somebody that attracted trouble to himself. >> but somehow, he found plenty of trouble. police started to figure out how, when they subpoenaed his phone records. >> my partner discovered that there was a person that he talked to, frank harvey, multiple times right before the murder. >> he once managed the gym where nick trained. a odd person to call before he committed a murder, unless of course he was in on it. how to find out? step one, go back to nick harvey. lean on him a little bit. >> you got to talk to this guy before he gets arraigned because once he's arraigned you're screwed. he's going to get an attorney and his attorney is going to tell him to shut up. >> just what they were thinking. so they confronted nick again.
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now two days after lynn's murder. >> you need to be truthful with my partner and i right now because it's only going to benefit you to tell the truth. this is getting uglier and uglier. >> we went at him one last time. tell us your story. reiterates almost what he tells us before. >> he killed lynn because the burglary he tried to carry out went bad. >> i have been doing this a long time, nick. you need to take responsibility now. take care of nick now, please. be truthful with us. we're not going to stop, nick. that's our job. >> that's when nick's story started to change. >> i was hired to hit the house. i don't know. i didn't ask. >> that is, said nick, he was hired to commit a burglary. one that depending on what he could steal might prove very
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profitable. >> what were you promised? >> what was in the house plus 2500. >> he was hired to kill and they knew it because the phone records told a very deferent story than he did. and finally, nick harvey cracked. >> i remember his words like, you guys are good. you got me. just like that. >> just like that and then he cops out. >> yes, he said. frank hired him to kill lynn shockner. gave him 2,500 up front. promised 2,500 more when the job was done. why a guy would commit murder for 5 grand was one question but a more urgent one was this, who was this really? and why would he pay a guy to kill a housewife in long beach? coming up, it's always the husband, right? but in this case, police didn't
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i'm trying to do some homework here. so they're ready for anything. had been as simple as it was. in exchange for just $5,000 was to kill a long beach housewife. get away clean. instead, nick was in jail facing murder charges and detectives. nick had already told them he had been hired by a man. who went by el cuban know. met at a restaurant. paid cash upfront.
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until the came to end the rest of the money to kill lynn, the moment he got cold feet. >> when i got there, i didn't want to do it. he ran into the house. pulled out some drawers, grabbed some jewelling to make it look like a burglary, but then when he he escaped, hi discovered the cops appeared to be waiting for him. so then, listen to this, harvey
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had a question for the detectives. >> can i ask you a question. how were you able to get there so fast. >> people in the neighborhood. saw you get out of the car. saw you get out of the car that is, he thought he was being double crossed by his friend, el cuban know. that's why he decided to stick to the botched burglary story. maybe he would just get second degree murder and once he got out of prison, he was going to find frank and take care of him myself. the detectives played along of course. whatever theory made him happy. they requisitioned el cuban know's phone records. they found something quite
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surprising. >> not only was he talking with nick harvey. he also talked to the husband. >> fred. >> fred, lynn's husband of 25 years. on the surface, it didn't make much sense. he had been cooperative with detectives from day one. he had moved out of the family house, but he told them the break was amicable. she was my best friend, he said. and yet not long after the murder, young charlie sought out detective and whispered an awful question. >> did my dad have something to do with this. >> charlie remembers what they told him. >> the detective was very quick to assure me that they had no suspicions of that. they didn't think that would be something that was happening. if they had thought that, they would already have looked into it and not to worry about that. >> is that what the detectives really believed? well, no. >> we had to look at them and
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say we'll catch everybody who is involved. >> but not say they suspect him. >> they couldn't tell charlie or the rest of the family what they were discovering, afraid that fred would find out. stop talking to them. so charlie stayed at home with his father. his uncle mark was allowed and encouraged to believe fred was not involved. even as the detectives were getting the real story from the hitman, nick harvey. >> do you know who talked to cuban know regarding this. >> yes. >> who did. >> her husband. >> doesn't that mean you can go out and arrest them all and charge them with murder. >> we wish. remember it's a coconspirator statement. we have no fact. >> nick harvey was an admitted killer and demonstrated liar. with the police department under so much scrutiny, they didn't
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dare arrest anyone without solid proof. think of a scandal on top of everything else, the prosecution failed. they did find fred's business card in harvey's wallet. meanwhile, the public was led to believe it was a murder that had phone bad: a murder the cops should have prevented. >> i couldn't go out there and defend my department as much as i wanted to. >> you can't say anything. >> and i can't tell the press. we didn't defend ourselves. if suspects and person presidency of interest are the wups we're lo ones we're looking at. we don't want them to get lawyer >> the department wanted a quick resolve. we have a black eye. the press was just beating us up daily as of what we did. >> the clock was ticking. needed to prove the murder for
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hire plot and needed to do it fast. >> we were trying to get them to talk and get them to communicate. >> but wasn't going to happen by the looks of it: even though they kept talking to fred. >> we kept going to the husband. >> playing dumb, of course, but hoping he would panic and call el cubano. >> we're calling every day. trying to give a reason so he wouldn't get more suspicious. >> just one more question, sir. >> exactly. felt like columno. >> this was a game, of course. with deadly consequences. death also has a way of bringing people together. lynn was a private woman. had very few friends beyond her son, charlie. >> we had a big service for her. it was amazing how many people came out for my mother. it was nice. i just remember at that point, i couldn't even cry.
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i was just still just depressed and shocked and i felt bad for that for a long time. >> well, that's pretty normal. >> yes. >> did the tears come. >> yes, it took a while, but they did. >> meanwhile, detective richard was chipping away at the case. far too slowly for the likes of his bosses at the long beach police department. still under fire for not preventing a murder. the detectives had found some connection among the three suspected conspirators, but not nearly enough to go to court. >> you have a murder for hire. you have to go arrest everybody. i would love to. i have to prove more. >> you couldn't even say that either one of those people was a suspect. >> correct. and, you know, that was so much
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pressure. coming up, fred and frank finally start talking. >> we had like 60 plus phone conversations between them. >> how are you doing, bud. >> it has been a rotten, rotten time. >> will it help detectives catch a killer, when dateline continues. , when dateline continues. you keep doing you. we'll take care of medicare part d. by helping you save up to five dollars on each prescription, and with free one-on-one pharmacy support, we've filled over 2 billion prescriptions and counting. stop by walgreens and save today. walgreens. trusted since 1901.
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the man he knew, he said, was frank. just a guy he met when frank managed the jim in long beach. the guy said fred had brought a used bmw from frank for $25,000. he was going to deliver the car when he returned from overseeing business trip. in new delhi. of course the phone records knew perfectly well frank was in fact at home. about 50 miles north of long beach in woodland hill. fred kept talking and ever more chatty volunteered he had lent frank more than $100,000. which made sense, given what detectives had already learned about frank. >> he had a fetish for watching and living the lifestyle of the rich and famous. he really didn't have a full-time job. >> if frank thought he was taking advantage of fred,
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detectives believe it was just the opposite. >> i think fred shocker in wanted to own him in some way. >> frank already had the $100,000. now he's on the hook. >> big time to fred. when fred says to get off the hook, you're going to make this happen. then slate wiped clean. >> yes. >> abolition of all debt. >> in the detective's views, fred was the master mind. >> when fred michigan calling the cops to play mr. cooperative, they recorded every word. >> hello, this is fred. there has never been anything razz bad as this in my life. i hope there never will be, but
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you asked me a couple of questions. let me give you some information. the check that i wrote to frank was cashed on october 29. >> that was for the bmw. >> that was for the bmw. >> look at this. on the check, there's a note that indicates the bmw would be delivered between 11/7 and 8. lynn was murdered on the eighth of november. >> i called them today and asked about the status of the car on the voice mail. >> you didn't happen to ask him if he's back in the country yet, did you. >> no, i just left a voice mail. >> does it sound like fred is having fun, toying with the cops? >> any other questions that you have for us at this time? >> happy fishing. >> we're just -- why is it going so long? that's a good question. because the fishing isn't
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answering, right? >> like i said, it's pretty simple case, but our. >> hold on a second, the other line is ringing. >> in the middle of the conversation, fred got another call from frank. fred puts them on hold. continues to speak with the detective. even offering a theory about the killer, harvey. >> you know, the kid may have been someone that was associated with the lock change. it may have been someone that was associated with someone she met and tried to help. >> exactly. >> fred hung up with the detective and picked up his cell phone to talk to frank. that call was also recorded. >> hello, did you hear a lot of that. >> kind of. >> okay. good. i don't need to talk about it. >> okay. how you doing, bud. >> it has been a rotten, rotten time. all of this.
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so much sympathy and so much activity just surrounding it, it's unbelievable. >> just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. >> we had like 60 plus phone conversations between them. >> you're tapping in them all. >> yes. >> but they just didn't slip up. it was time, the detectives decided, to launch the undercover squad led by chris n knollson. >> i was armed with information now. nick harvey told the homicide guys what's up. they told me. so now if you're frank and fred, your biggest concern is that nick is caught. >> of course. >> want to make sure he doesn't say anything. >> first detective nelson say head would go for broke. phoning fred shocker in himself and claiming to be the hired
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killler, nick harvey. >> how did you go about doing this. >> we went in and used an inmate call. you're receiving a call from california po institution and he hung up on me i think the first time. there's a pause there where they ask if you're willing to accept. >> and he said no. >> no, click. and then i waited about five minutes and i called him again. >> and this time, fred thoook t call. >> he said i'm the guy that did that work at your house for you. i said well, i'm going to need my other half. i'm going to need my hundred for an attorney. >> he says, you already have it. >> i said no, and he said well, you need to talk to your guy. >> your guy. he could only mean frank, but he didn't say the words. didn't say anything incriminating. and so now he tried something different. much riskier. time to get uncle john involved. coming up.
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undercover cop had a plan to set a trap to make frank believe he was about to be hit by the hit man. he phoned frank and portray himself as relative of nick.
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with a past. not particularly liking cops. i'm the one who can keep nick quiet. what will you going to give me in exchange for that, you're going to give me money. >> afraid frank would recognize the trap and hang up, elected to make up a very unthreatening persona. >> i thought, well, i'll be uncle john. you know. that his mother sent down from the bay area. so uncle john places a call to him. frank. frank, hey. my name is john. he seems to think you or fred will help him out. he didn't want a public
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defender. >> frank tells uncle johns he didn't have money to help him out. >> at first, frank doesn't seem to take the bait. if i can help him in any way, i would. i'm sorry i apologize. i can't. >> then carefully, uncle john reels him in. he seemed to think that if somebody didn't reach out to him, he told me not so much you, but he told me to have you tell fred that if he didn't get some help pretty soon, he was going to go to the cops. >> okay. give me a call tomorrow and i'll see whatky do to help you partner. >> but after all that, frank did not make the all important and incriminating call to fred asking for money. so the very next day, uncle john tried again. >> hey, did you get ahold of fred. >> no, i didn't. between you and i, i don't mind taking care of him. >> frank asked for time and
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agreed to meet uncle john in person to hand over some money. >> do you know where the thousand oaks mall is at? it's off of lynn road. >> lynn. >> yes, off the 101. >> lynn road. the irony was apparently lost to frank. late midmorning. detective was worried. would he show up. >> you sit in the parking lot by yourself. you kind of go over, sure your heart races a little bit. it's crunch time and you feel like everyone is depending on you to get this done. you want it to go well. >> the idea is you're reeling them in like a fisherman. there are timehouse don't know what is going to happen. >> right. you could have a fray in the line. could have a break. there was frank in a brand new
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suv. referring to a success expensive car he said he would be driving. that's sweet. i know you what spent your money on. >> money from fred shocker in is what the cop meant. frank did not take that bait. >> hard to tell from the video. >> they're still monitoring my accounts. >> are they looking at you. >> yes. >> inside a van listening to the whole thing go down. >> you finally get something like that, that's cold. that was the nail in his coffin. >> the instant he offered that $1,000, you knew you got him. >> yes, we got him. he locked himself into it. >> a couple of days later, they paid frank a visit to snap their trap shut. >> they basically brace him with, you know, who is this guy
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was killed, the circumstances, nothing pointed at fred. and the police did not point at fred. >> they had their reasons. >> we use them in a lot of respects and you feel guilty because they're beating their chest and they're upset. they had no idea the father of charlie is the one who set the whole thing up. >> remember, maybe some idea. >> i always had my suspicions. >> in spite of the fact it was a burglar and the police said it was a burglar, you still suspected your father. >> i didn't want to put it past him as much as a did you don't want to suspect someone of that. it just seem ed falls. like there are little clues and ticks that just seemed wrong. >> it started the day his mother was murdered.
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when he and his dad surveyed the house. ransacked during the burglary. >> he had me go back and clean up all the jewelry that had been overturned and spilled out. >> what does that do to your mind. made me very numb. very numb. i just, it was a task. i did it. and then i went to bed. a way that had been hidden: looked like any suburban kid, but at home he understood the normal life to be the constant expectation of moments of terror. frequent unpredictable i think rages, abuse, a mother trying to protect him. >> he would want to beat you with a belt and she would try to prevent and it produce an
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argument between them and then he would beat her. >> how often. >> often enough that as a child i know what was going on, but then that was normal so i didn't know it was wrong. >> you thought all families were like that. >> until i had friends really come over and they noticed stuff and it was weird for them to notice things and to comment on it, but, yeah. it was always just that's what families did. >> year after year, says charlie, until her mother came on to whisper her own secret. she was finally going to leave fred. >> she told me how she was thinking about doing this and she was so nervous about doing it and didn't know if it was the right choice or what to do about it. >> what did you think. >> my first thought was very excited. because it was just -- i great to be able to think of getting
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away from him. >> then finally, more than a year later, lynn hired family law attorney, lisa brandon. >> aaron: did she tell you she wanted from you. >> she wanted a fair division of the property. >> but said lisa, fred controlled all of the finances. >> so she didn't know how much money they had a a family. >> no. >> how much did they have as a family. >> including the equity in the home, probably 6 -7 million. >> which in a legal separation by california law would be split down the middle. lisa told her fred told her he would never part with any of that money. lynn also told her about fred's physical abuse. and so with a pending separation, lisa worried about lynn and charlie's safety. she wouldn't do it. didn't want to hurt charlie.
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she was a sitting target. >> did she understand it was dangerous for her. >> yes, yes. >> yet she went ahead and did it anyway. >> that's how important getting out of that relationship was to her. she was willing to risk her life and she told me that. >> lisa told lynn she should get a restraining order against fred. >> it wouldn't make a dam bit of difference. >> that's what he told you. >> yes. if he's going to kill me, he'll kill me. restraining orders won't stop him. >> too late now. of course, but what about charlie. the detectives worried about his safety. called lynn's brother mark. he had gone back across the country to georgia. urged him to invite charlie for an extended visit with him and his wife even though they did not tell mark about their suspicion. >> i was surprised. i am still to this day that fred allowed that to happen, but he did. >> perhaps fred had more
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pressing things to think about. whatever his reason, he put charlie on a plane for georgia just in time for the main event of the murder investigation. frank, under arrest as the alleged middle man, was spilling it all. telling police he took money from lynn's husband. a lot of and it used a little to hire the killer. and then with a little polite arm twisting, frank agreed to set a trap for the suspected master mind: fred. >> did you promise him something. >> didn't promise him anything. no. >> so why would he do it. >> i think in his mind, because we had got him on everything else, he was trying to dig himself out of a hole. >> maybe frank didn't understand how deep the hole was. as undercover cop chris nelson prepared frank for big meeting with fred, el cubano got a call with his wife.
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he said, i'm here with the cops. i'll be home later. he told me, i didn't kill her. i almost wanted to slap him and go, no, you just hired somebody else to. >> he must have known. you got be blind and deaf not to know that. >> you would think. we used to laugh like is this guy for real? >> frank set it up. called fred's land line, got the answering machine. >> hi, you've reached the -- >> still lynn's voice. >> please leave a message after the tone and we will get back to you. have a great day, bye bye. >> hey, old man. trying to come by and see you and talk to you about a couple of things so we can get a couple of things straightened up. i would appreciate it. i'm going to try you on your cell phone. >> fred picked up the phone. >> hello. are you there. >> yes what's going on. >> nothing much. >> they agreed to meet 7:30 in the evening at local restaurant. >> i'll try to be there on time. >> all right.
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7:30 bud. thank you, bye. >> less than two hours later. frank, wearing the same hidden camera the detective used to catch him, walked into the restaurant to meet fred. >> i set him up with the camera and the audio and we got a table and a couple tables way, three of us to make sure he didn't run sg you h . >> you had your eyes on him. >> yes, we wanted to see everybody's reaction. we had audio and surveillance outside listening to everything. >> coming up. one problem. 7:30 came and went. minutes ticked by. no fred. >> he was already really paranoid about being set up. would he show? and what if he didn't? when "dateline" continues. copd makes it hard to breathe.
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painstaking investigation, detectives had engineered a face to face meeting between the murder middle man and the suspected master mind. lynn's husband, fred. this is where they would attempt to get frank to say something that would incriminate himself. fred was late. had he finally realized they were laying a trap. 7:30, 7:33, 7:35. nothing. if he didn't show, this could all fall apart. then, a signal from the surveillance guy. there he was. >> the guys outside saw him coming, casing the place, make sure he wasn't being -- he was already really paranoid about being set up. came in with note pad. >> hey, old man. how are you feeling. >> now all eyes were on frank and fred. >> they both at this point looked like they had been road hard and put away wet.
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i mean, just tired looking, you can manage the amount of stress that must be going through him. and then the old man who didn't look like he was doing particularly well either. >> did he look fright ntd ened something. >> they both looked scared. >> and as they feared, fred was suspicious. he sat down, said not a word, but he had written something on his note pad. at which point, said are you wired. >> i'm not. >> it's very possible. >> i thought he was going to walk. i thought he -- this guy is going to come to his senses and realize. >> stand up and turn out and walk out the restaurant. >> but he didn't. >> he stayed. and they talked. frank tried to get fred to admit his role. fred deflecting his attempts. you know, you and i will not be sitting here if you didn't want lynn killed. you know that.
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>> frank kept going at it and fred finally let something slip. >> i'm scared fred. i understand you're scared too. you have to understand, we would not be in this position if it wasn't for lynn. we would not be here. if it hadn't been sloppy on nick's part. >> fred referring to nick harvey, the hired killer. for the first time connecting himself to lynn's murder, but frank kept going after him. as if he knew they needed more. >> we would not be here if it wasn't for you. we would not be here. we wouldn't. >> we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the [ bleep ] nick. >> it's not a question of pu. he's doing you a favor. not me. he's doing you a favor.
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if he messed up and got caught. that's him. he's doing the time for you. okay. if he's doing that -- >> it's like watching two old married couple arguing back and forth about whose fault it was that dinner was cold or something. >> but, of course, this argument was a deadly serious. >> we need to erase this problem. this is your problem. okay. you have to understand. listen to me. >> no, it's not my fault. this is our fault. isn't it. >> i would have to say it's more your problem. >> fred was still very suspicious at frank, asked a few more time ifs he was wired. frank, frustrated now, tried to goat him. i killed lynn? you're saying that i killed lynn. >> no, you. >> who wanted her dead? who benefitted from that, fred. >> nobody benefitted. >> frank argued like a man who
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wasn't acting. maybe he wasn't. >> oh,really. then who wanted her dead? me? answer me that question. who wanted her [ bleep ] dead? not me. >> the tension between the two seemed to reach a breaking point. >> allowto us to think and talk together. you keep on saying this over and over. fred, why don't you just go home. thank you very much. and i'll tell nick the same. have a good evening, fred. why don't you leave, bud. have a good evening. thank you for everything. whatever money i owe you, i'll pay you back. get the [ bleep ] out of my face. you already [ bleep ] me. you already [ bleep ] nick. don't worry about me anymore. i asked you a simple question, you could not answer it. >> just as fred walking away,
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frank gave it one last shot. why don't you admit what you did wrong. >> i haven't done anything wrong. >> okay. and i did everything. >> no, you haven't done anything either. have you. that's what you told me on the phone. >> you need to quiet nick's family on your part. not mine. i don't have the money. you have all my cash. i'll give it back to you. >> and that was it. maybe not exactly the words detective hoped to hear, but after weeks of dead ends and intense pressure, getting fred on tape saying those things finally made his case. >> what was the mood in the van you were sitting in. >> it was elation. we got enough. >> finally enough evidence to arrest him, but they didn't. they let him go home just to see what he would do.
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>> let's just see if he reaches out to somebody. now he's scared. >> back at the restaurant, frank waited for all clear signal from the detectives and the waiter who frequently served the family, stopped by to reminisce about lynn. >> putting frank in a very uncomfortable spot. >> there's nothing that anyone can say that can -- >> he wasn't able to complete his thought. soon, fred would be having a very different kind of conversation with the police. coming up, what a mess. and fred forgot to clean up. >> he didn't throw out the trash in time. >> no. >> when dateline continues. ut ts like concert tickets or a new snowboard. matt: whoo! whoo! jen: but that all changed when we bought a house. matt: voilà! jen: matt started turning into his dad. matt: mm. that's some good mulch. ♪ i'm awake. but it was pretty nifty
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before he got mixed up with
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fred, frank, aka, el cubano had so many possibilities. he just recently married a wonderful woman, a schoolteacher. had no idea what her husband had done or what he was facing, but it was too late for that. frank did not go home to his wife that evening. he submitted to a pair of handcuffs and was carted off to jail. fred, well, fred did go home under the watchful eye of the undercover cops. who also conducted add thorough search of the restaurant for those notes fred wrote. they found nothing. nor did fred contact anyone else that evening and so the next morning. >> we just showed up. 9:00 in the morning and had on his pajamas. dy shelved. you could tell he didn't sleep
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well that night. very shocked and why are you there. we are leer to arrest you. >> they took him away. when they searched his house, they found one last piece of in evidence a trash can. one of those notes fred scribbled in the restaurant. sloppy nick, it said. >> he didn't throw out his trash in time. >> no. across the country in georgia, charlie got the news. >> that was another kind of happy moment, to be honest. >> that's quite a place to get to in life when you're happy that your father has been arrested for murder. for the murder of your mother, remind you. >> yes it's -- i mean, no one wants to actually say, gosh, yeah, that's a good thing, but after everything growing up with him in the house, seems like a little bit of justice. >> almost three years after lynn's death, the three men
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charged with her murder finally went on trial. detective richard and undercover cop chris nelson both retired now were there. >> it's always nice to see a case all the way through and see it end, in my opinion, see people get what they got coming to them. >> they give you a special weird look. >> when they walked into court, the only one that looked good that day, like rested and fine, was nick harvey. you could tell he had come to terms with what he had done. he knew he was never going to see the light of day again t. other two were really struggling with it. they looked really beat. >> they were so different, the three of them. they were a very unlikely trio of criminals.wendy thomas cover three trials. nick harvey's was first.
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>> i would have to say he was more bron than brain. he -- and i don't mean that to be insensitive, but he -- this is a guy who took the witness stand in his own defense and he said that he aspired to be a hitman. that he. >> he said that on the witness stand. >> yes. >> what did you think. >> i said you're not the brightest bulb on the marquee. >> no kidding. >> he said he had toyed around with being a hitman. that he had idolized the hulk as a child. incredible hulk and he said he had taken steroids to get bigger and stronger and it was very hard for the jury to have sympathy for him. >> and they didn't. the jury found him guilty in about 35 minutes. first degree murder and
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burglary. next was frank. >> said he wouldn't have done it had fred not threatened his wife and his in-laws. >> so this was -- he did it out of fear then. >> yes. he said literally on the stand that he had sacrificed his life for his family when we all know that he had sacrificed lynn's life for his pocket book. >> that was his defense. >> that was his defense. >> the verdict, guilty of first-degree murder. now it was fred's turn. >> the man had aged at least ten years. he looked so frail. >> but this wasn't over just yet. fred shocker in took the witness stand, he told the jury, he could explain everything. do tell. coming up, he was very defiant and completely maintained his innocence. >> will the jury believe him. >> i had a moment of just
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you hold your breath. the world could have stopped. >> a hushed courtroom in long beach, california. charged with commissioning the murder of his wife. caught on tape blaming a sloppy hit man took the stand in his own defense. >> he was very defiant and completely maintained his innocence until the end. i mean, in the face of this overwhelming evidence, he maintained his innocence. >> it was all a tragic misunderstanding said fred. he didn't pay for murder. just for a used bmw. all those calls to his alleged
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co-conspirator, they were, wait for it, pocket calls. they prove nothing. the jury had to consider all pockets, naturally. there was no shortage of nerves among members of the family. charlie, just 17 years old that day, watched the jury file back in. >> it's law and order and everything. you sit there and everyone comes in and you hold your breath. the world kind of stops. you don't know what the outcome is because they have all the power. whatever they say is the truth or what is going to be the truth. >> lot of butterflies in your tummy. >> oh, god, yeah. >> he looked at their faces for some sign, waited nervously for justice for his mother. >> what was it like to hear the words? >> emancipating. it was unbelievable. >> the verdict, guilty of first
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degree murder. >> i had a moment of just sitting there and started crying. hugged my family. >> you know, it's interesting you say hugged my family because somebody who doesn't know the whole story might say you just lost your family. but they don't know whole story. >> no. having my mother's side of the family, her two brothers and their family with me, it was amazing. it's what family should be. they were all there for me. >> the judge allowed charlie to address his father in court. >> this whole, like, speech prepared of vindication of everything. but i was so angry, just shaking and not really able to get my words out. but i managed to say, like, i'm no longer your son. i can't believe you would do this.
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just you're going to where you belong. >> that would be a pretty scary moment. a nervous making moment. >> it was terrifying to know it was actually going to happen. that this is culmination of everything. it was a lot of emotion. >> also you're saying good-bye to him. >> yeah. >> through all of this, shock ner maintained his innocence and in fact, even before his trial began, fred did carry out a threat right after the murder. he launched a lawsuit against the long beach police department for not protecting his wife lynn. >> he went to the city and filed a claim, which is a precursor to a lawsuit against the city of long beach blaming the long beach police department for not
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preventing the murder of his wife because they had not followed proper procedure. >> wait a minute. it's their fault because they didn't prevent me from killing my wife? >> that's right. exactly. >> the claim was rejected. but now on the day of his sentencing, he tried the same argument again. >> that was the judge's response, too. he called it sofestry and he called him a disgusting human being and he did not mince words. >> in a few sentences what you think the motive in this murder was. >> money. >> in one word apparently. >> for whatever reason, 3 or 4 million was not enough for manford shock ner. he want 6 or 8. >> even from prison, he fought to keep it all for himself. his own son, his own blood,
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tried to prevent charlie from getting his share of the estate. although he got some of the money. how he managed to spend it in prison was unclear. we wrote letters to all three of this 'em. nick harvey and the other two asking to hear from them what happened. fred wrote back and said he was convicted on highly skeptical circumstantial evidence and that there should have been more than enough to prove my innocence. nick, now in his 30s, called us. he has matured in prison, he says. was mad at the world back then. but he's found god now. listen to this. though he takes full responsibility for what he did, he's also been nursing a strange and very lonely conspiracy theory. >> i've always believed police were involved. >> you mean they intentionally sent her back there to be
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killed? >> yes. >> you don't still believe that, though? >> i'm not a big believer in coincidences. especially in situations like this. >> lots of time to think in prison about things like that. but also about charlie. >> oh, charlie. he -- what i did to charlie haunts me every day. >> yeah. >> you know, i took so much from him. >> whether nick knew it or not, charlie was in the very capable hands of his uncle mark who received a commission from his worried sister lynn before she was murdered. >> if anything happens to me, take care of my son. >> and he did. how do you feel about that boy? >> love.
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it's tough. i always look back at that moment as the greatest gift i ever received from the man who i still hate more than any person i've ever known and my wife and i didn't have children of our own, now i've got the best son in the world. >> it's been great. mark and susan are just, they're great. i love them so much. >> so in a sad strange way, out of unimaginable evil and loss came love. a real family, an unexpected ble blessing. >> what's he done for you personally, having him in your life? >> it's like getting another life. like somebody opened a door and
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said here's a second chance. >> a reason to get up in the morning. >> damn straight. a reason to live. >> mark and susan are now his mom and dad. he has taken their last name. charlie has more than survived. he is thriving. >> i'm going somewhere and i'm going fast. >> he got his masters and landed his dream job in theme park design. he's learned, in spite of everything, that rarest of lessons. to accept and move on. >> i know what happened. i know it's influencing me. but it's not defining me. >> but there is one thing that defines him. his mother's character. and that follows him everywhere. >> my mother was just ethereaet. she holds a very special place. she's just everything that you think of as good. it's amazing, it's kind.
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everything that is great about people, what she embodied. and i'm going to carry that with me. good morning everybody. i'm david gura in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, one block from a synagogue massacre that left this community in pain and searching for answers. we'll bring you the latest on the events that unfolded here as we continue to learn more into the investigation and the actions of the gunman who is facing dozens of federal charges, to the victims and the loved ones stunned by what happened in this close-knit

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