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good evening, and welcome to "politicsnation." going into the last full week of campaigning before the midterms elections, a trying week for our country. president trump and republicans will make their final pitches while no doubt continuing to reject charges that the president's rhetoric has encouraged the acts of home-grown terror that shook the nation this week. but there's a through-line through all these acts, starting with the story that many of you didn't see, in louisville, kentucky, where a white gunman shot two black shoppers after he was unable to invade a black church because its doors were locked. that story was largely neglected
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this week because of the mail bombing campaign targeting mostly democratic politicians and critics of president trump. we'll talk more about that investigation later because today we learned the names of the 11 people, almost all senior citizens, who were shot and killed by a white gunman at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh saturday. i mentioned a through-line earlier, and it's this. regardless of how suspects in these cases felt about president trump, they all either on social media or at the time of their crimes or arrest are reported to have expressed hostile discriminatory views about minorities, liberals, and those different from them. as i'll repeat throughout the show tonight, words matter.
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let's start with an update from pittsburgh where nbc's ron mot is standing by with the latest. ron, tell us what you have found out today there in pittsburgh. >> reporter: hey, there, rev. good sunday to you. when they mentioned the names and the ages of these 11 people who died, it makes sense, even more real than it already was. it was a truly tragic situation, those victims ranging from 54 all the way to a holocaust survivor in her upper 90s. we're outside the apartment complex where robert bowers lived for the past two years. you can see a half dozen people there interviewing his next door neighbors. we spoke to a female earlier and she told us she didn't find him to be unusual. he wasn't necessarily outwardly friendly or unfriendly, but he
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kept to himself, she says. one thing that struck me as interesting is he would always back his car into the parking spot right in front of the door, his door, if he could. so perhaps using the proximaity of his door as a cover. he's been moving things into his apartment. i would suspect that officials are probably in receipt of that material. we just don't know. i've reached out to the landlord. one of the things the neighbor said because he did not engage with any of the neighbors that often, but he would open up with the landlord of this property so we've been trying to get in touch with him all day. another person we've been trying to reach out to find out more about him is a required government contractors who lived across the from the bower family
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home many years ago, so he knows this young man, 46 years old now. he apparently was paid a visit last year by robert bowers out of the blue and they got to catching up. he told the gentleman he was working for a trucking company and earning pretty good money. so the neighbors here said that he would keep odd hours, his television was on in the middle of the night many times. when police carried out a raid here last night, some of the neighbors evacuated themselves, the police want to sweep for explosive explosives. they didn't find any. all of that we may learn in the coming days and weeks. but suffice it to say he's facing 29 federal counts including hate crime charges. the attorney general yesterday said the death penalty could come into play with the federal prosecution of robert bowers. his first appearance will be in
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a pittsburgh federal court tomorrow afternoon. >> he will appear tomorrow in court for the formal charges and i assume an indictment within days? >> reporter: right. i don't know if he's going to appear from jail or if he will physically be well enough to go to court physically. he was wounded by gunfire. we don't know how many bullets he was struck with, but he was wounded in an exchange of gunfire, we believe, with police. and authorities have also told us that while he was engaging those officers is when he was also mentioning why he wanted to kill all the jewish people. so it's a very disturbing scene there at the synagogue. officials say it could be the end of the week before they clear that crime scene, rev. >> thank you, nbc's ron mot in pittsburgh. i want to bring in my panel. fordham university professor and
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author, christina greer, and pete dominic, host of serious xm radio's "stand up with pete dominic." professor, this has been a week that is almost numbing when you look at the impact. my fear is, are we normalizing with almost a daily diet of outrageous and violence and in the case of yesterday in kentucky, actual violence based on people's race or faith? i mean, we have gone from pipe bombs being mailed to people because of their political standing and views to midweek, two blacks killed by someone who tried to get into a black church, and now 11 people massacred because they were
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jewish. where are we as a nation? where's the moral compass? >> we need to bong a little bit because ever since donald trump came down that gold escalator and said mexican were rapists, i think he threw all of our norms out of the window and he has been steadily marching for the past three years using this rhetoric that many of his supporters have been waiting for someone to say it's okay for me to say and feel these things. his party has abdomicated to hi. mexican are not rapists. there were not good people with tiki torches who killed heather hayer.
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he is too busy tweeting on an illegal phone that everyone's spying on, just negative, hatred and bias. on the same week we have bomb threats being sent to former presidents and democrats and people who support a different agenda than the president, he's sitting here talking about his hair, he's making jokes, he's tweeting about the dodgers, he's not respecting a woman who survived the holocaust has been murdered in her own sanctuary. this is the leadership. >> when you think of where people go to church or synagogue or mosque, there's a reason they call it sanctuary where you could feel safe, you have that in one week a black church attempted to be invaded, and an actual invasion and massacre in a synagogue. what are we saying to our children that are growing up you can't even be safe going to
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church and it's based on who you are rather than any other circumstance? >> i know what i'm saying to my children. this is a problem and i'm cognizant of who i'm sitting with on this set. what we need to do as white people, we need to understand that the standard you walk past is the standard you accept. we have to educate our families, our children. we have to introduce them to the very fraught history -- you said it started when he came down the escalator, but i know you agree with me that it started long before that. with trump it started with the birther nonsense, but before that it was pat buchanan. i don't have to tell anyone this, you're scholars. a lot of people don't understand how our country was founded.
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all those terrorists this week were white people. we're not calling them terrorists nearly enough, but that's what they were. if they look like either of you or a muslim or mexican, all have been demonized to get votes and ratings, we know exactly what we would call them in the media and we know thousand department of homeland security would look. it's time we start looking at the members of the media, all these white guys, especially on the radio where i exist and start calling them out by name, they are fanning the flames each and every day to day for hours on their radio shows, rev. >> professor, adding to that, we are nine or ten days before the midterm election. no candidate on the right has really stood out and taken this on. >> nope. >> and going to pete's point about the right-wing radio, the right-wing television, and the president, we are seeing all of this passion about migrants
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marching are honduras to mexico, but where is the passion to address the high percentage increase of hate crimes and hate threats in this country since he's been in office? we have seen -- i was at a gathering today that i'm going to talk about later where the anti-defamation league said there's been a 90% increase in anti-semitic threats in the last couple years. where's the outrage? where is that even a campaign issue in this country? >> right. and we need the media to be the voice to let us know these things are happening because we also know there have been mosques that have been december crated on a monthly basis across the country. pete is exactly right. you have the rush limbaughs of the world coming up with conspiracy theories. you have voting americans who are saying, yeah, democrats sent themselves those bombs because they want to win elections. that is absolutely -- >> or they got real bombs. >> when the president puts it
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quotes -- >> here's a conspiracy theorist. >> and his own law enforcement guys come back and say these bombs were not a hoax. >> the director of the fbi. >> but he doesn't respect his own fbi because he didn't respect the office of the presidency. we have republican candidates and republican elected officials who have completely abdicated to this president and his conspiracy theories, supremacists, nationalist agenda, which he has said proudly. this is part of the problem. you have people talking about voter suppression, voter fraud, we should be putting people in cages. here's the issue, lots of republicans want to say i don't really like that part about trump but everything else is okay. we are not at that time anymore. either you are with this president and putting people in cages and believing in conspiracy theories and aiding and abetting anti-semitic individuals and races, or you're not. >> i'll hold it there. the panel will be back later in the show.
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prairie view a&m university filed a federal lawsuit alleging their voting rights are being suppressed because the county has provided few if any polling sites on campus or easily accessible without transportation, effectively occur tailing, if not denying, the first week of early voting to more than 8,000 students as well as the predominantly black residents of prairie view. joining me now is derek johnson, president of the naacp, representing the prairie view students in their suit, and jay la allen a junior year student at prairie view student and a plaintiff in the lawsuit. jay la, why did you and four others file this lawsuit? >> i would have to say, well, it
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was important to us, first off. voting rights are important to myself and the students who are involved in the case. i worked with them closely and we have always been involved in voting on campus and all this pertains to being civically engaged on campus so once we learned of the issue, we jumped on it and got with our community leaders, our student leaders on campus, and those who were concerned with us. i mean, the rest was history. >> but you basically feel that the lack of polling sites and the lack of accessible polling sites are nearby is actually designed to suppress and deny your right to vote? >> yes. i would most definitely say that. i would also say the four students will agree that as well considering the fact that if you
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look at the history of prairie view a&m university and waller county and the residents of prairie view, there's always have been a problem with voter expression and voting rights inualer counties. soiled say that. it has continued well on from the early '70s so it is a continuous, ongoing battle waller county and the students of prairie view and their rights to vote. >> derek johnson, as national president of the naacp, i know your local people are involved with this case. but you've been going around the country, as many of us in the civil rights community dealing with voter suppression methods, whether it's students being suppressed on campuses, whether it's voter suppression in georgia or florida, around the country. you're in winston-salem tonight.
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what are you seeing are the new modes and challenges of voter registration which historically voting rights came out of the civil rights movement and the naacp and the vanguard of that? >> first of all, i want to commend the students of prairie view for standing up to ensure their rights are protected and to make sure democracy work. we are watching a repeat of the 1960s in many ways. ever since holder vs shelby, we are not seeing a lot of voter locations, applications not being processed like in georgia and in shelby county, tennessee. a deliberate effort to suppress voting which i truly believe some of the elected officials who are participating should be brought up on criminal charges.
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we should not be in 2018 revisiting 1960 tactics to prevent young people, african-americans, and other citizens from simply casting a ballot. >> now, this is happening in predominantly african-american areas, which is a violation of the voting rights act, which is a crime and a real undermining of democratic results in terms of -- i don't mean democratic party wise, i mean in the practice of democracy. the results when you have many of these races very close, if you shave off with methods of voter suppression, a few hundred votes, it can really put someone in office that actually won because voters could not exercise their rights. >> we're looking at a game of inches, not miles. so every fraction of a
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percentage that you can take away from the total count is an opportunity for individuals to win. for the naacp, like many of the civil rights organizations, we're saying let's open up democracy. let's ensure every qualified individual will have uninterrupted access to voting. it's the democratic thing to do, not the party, but it is a way to make democracy work. in australia, 96% of the citizens participate. in canada 90% participate in elections. in germany, 93% of people participate. if we're able to get 70% of citizens to vote during presidential elections, we think that's a high turnout. african-americans feel disrespected. you see a heightened enthusiasm, people are going to the polls in record numbers, and people are scared at the fact that the
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outcome of this election could truly address the racial intolerance and hatred we're seeing. >> jay la, that is one of the things that is so important to me about your lawsuit with your colleagues. we tell young people to vote, we tell them to get engaged, we cajole millennials, where are you, and here you are stepping up, fellow students on campus stepping up, going to college wanting to participate, and these methods are there that make it difficult to almost impossible to exercise your right to vote. >> it's difficult. it's very difficult, but we must not be discouraged. we must not turn our backs or walk away. i believe that's what they want us to do. they want us to fall down and
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break. but we are strong, we are standing firm with the support from you guys, the support from the legal defense fund, our administration. i mean, it means so much because that's exactly what is going on. but as young students and african-american students going to an hbcu, i believe it's important not only to encourage our students to become civically engaged and practice their rights of voting that they have not always had and our ancestors and the generations before us, but concerning the voter suppression that has gone on with prairie view a&m university. this is not the first time something like this has happened or even the right to vote and it access of it in the county of waller. >> derek, i know many of us in the civil rights community are addressing these hate crimes this week. i know that you and the naacp
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and the legal defense fund, many of us, myself, have called on the attorney general to deal with how they're going to deal with the rising hate crimes. you referred to it. what is your and others' reaction to the almost no real cause of action that we've heard from this administration and attorney general on how they're dealing with the escalation of hate crimes and hate threats? >> i'm not surprised that we've had very little response from this administration. in fact, when you have the level of threat, pipe bombs being mailed to former presidents and the current president continue on with the rally, that tells you the message that he supports. he supports intolerance and division. that's the type of atmosphere that allows him to generate enthusiasm. elections have consequences. in order for us to defeat hate,
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we must turn out the vote for this cycle. and we also need to recognize our problem is someone else's solution. if their solution is to create division, suppress the vote, not allow a true debate to take place around what is taking place with racial hatred. when we challenge all the so-called republicans and the members of the party that the president represent to stand up and speak out against what's taking place, you cannot say this is a trump problem. this is a political party problem. and for the media to create false equivalents to distract from the true nature of what's taking place, the tooiribalism something we must stand up against if we're going to live in a civil society. >> derek johnson, jay la allen, thank you both for being with us tonight. still ahead, the growing
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i don't take questions from cnn. >> i had heard that he body slammed a reporter. >> any guy that can do a body slam, he's my kind of -- [ cheers ] >> we call him 1% biden until obama took him off the trash heap. >> the great maxine waters, that's a beauty. good old maxine, low iq individual. >> crooked hillary is a great unifier. >> time now for my weekly memo to president trump. as you are aware with just nine days ahead of the midterm elections, the political climb -- climate in our country is more intense than ever. how we got here, mr. president, when i was growing up people would say a person of character and integrity leads by example. it's really that simple. people in positions of authority are setting the tone of how
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others engage. let me explain. as i was growing, i would say things and i had to, as i grew, become more and more responsible because i didn't want to get in the way of my message, and i didn't want to say what was really not who i was. mrs. corresposcott king and herd to me, al, you can't let your tongue outrun what you're about. we've heard you calling names der riding nations, der riding people nationally, even a person in journalism that had a handy cap. and you continued to do it over and over again. at some point, mr. trump, many of us that were opposed to you were hoping you would grow out of this and you would set a tone in a nation that now has
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with nine days until the crucial midterm elections, trump-style politics will be put to the test. and my guest says these are the states to be watching. in florida, the gubernatorial race between andrew gillum and desantis is tight with gillum leading by 6% in the latest quinnipiac poll, 52% to 46%. in georgia the race between brian kemp and stacy abrams is so close that only two points separate the candidates. well within the margin of error. that's 49% to 47%. joining me now is a political writer at 538. it's tight in georgia and tight
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in florida. what does this mean at this stage? and in nine days, what could be the deciding factors? let's start in florida. >> in florida gillum has had a pretty solid the whole time. he's up by 6% in some polls, 4% in others. donald trump is coming this week to florida to campaign for desantis. he needs something to change that race. he probably needs presidential-level turnout to get the whole base fired up there because gillum that see democrats fired up. gillum will get a strong, black, young latino turnout. he's definitely the favorite. >> is trump very popular in florida according to polls i know he has a second home there. but is his coming something that potentially could help desantis?
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>> it could. trump is about 48% approve, 48% disapprove. half people like him and half don't like him in florida. so that's not great because there's potential for a backlash where you might help desantis with democrats. he was very close to trump throughout. >> he did his commercials around trump, i believe. >> he did a commercial where they show his daughter helping be i would the trump wall. so he's really really close to trump. i think that's why he wants trump there. >> let's go to georgia. what can happen in the nine days that we see that could close this gap of 2% either way, and how does the voter suppression many of us are concerned about, how could that affect that if, in fact, it is going to the home stretch this tight?
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>> this is a close race. there's been a lot of headline about some of the stuff in terms of voter purges and in terms of this exact match and can you vote. looks like from my time down there that abrams has a very strong operation. one thing to watch for is georgia is a republican state. trump won there by about 5% in 2016. so for abrams, can she get that black turnout really high. the evidence suggests that, yes, they have a strong ground operation. people are really motivated to vote for her both black and white liberals. she'll be the first the black governor, black female governor. kemp is really focused on the rural turnout. his campaign thinks they can -- they want trump to come too because they're trying to jump the rural white vote in that part of the state. the question is, atlanta is big
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and growing right now. the abrams get enough vote out of the atlanta area to make up for the fact that kemp is going to win the rest of that state by a lot? not a lot of swing voters there. it's a republican state. kemp has the advantage, but if abrams can get the turnout real high in atlanta, she can get the upset. >> how will the massacre in pittsburgh, the racist shooting in kentucky, and the pipe bombs to leading democrats and trump critics, will that impact either of these races at all in your polling and research? >> i don't think so. i think the one thing that is happening, you and i may not like trump's rhetoric. i do think there's evidence that that is, like, trump as well attacking the media and the left, that is inspiring his base. last month it seemed like republicans got more enthusiastic about the election with the kavanaugh stuff, how trump talked about the media.
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i don't know that it's trump's rhetoric, while being problematic, may not be hurting him in these two races n. other races like in california or virginia or new york, this is not helpful to republicans. so the republicans are probably going to do poorly in the house and even worse because of what trump is doing. but trump probably being more involved probably helps in a state like georgia that is more conservative. >> will the democrats be able to take the senate and the house? what's your call? >> i don't think so. we're estimating the democrats will win the house substantially, probably win the key governor races, litigates republicans are likely to keep control of the senate because so many senate races are in indiana and missouri and north dakota, states that are conservative where democrats are going to come up short in those races. >> all right, thank you, perry bacon. up next, our panel is back with more on political violence and the midterm elections now just nine days out.
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serious xm radio's "stand up with pete dominic." and conservative radio host, jerry bader. let me go to you, jerry. the events of the week from the pipe bomb threats and mailings to the shooting in kentucky of two blacks, white male trying to get into a black church, to the vicious attack that took 11 jewish lives in an anti-semitic, bigoted hate crime yesterday. how will this impact, in your opinion, if at all, the midterm elections and voters as they go to the polls either during early voting now or in nine days on election day? >> i think the answer to that is how does it impact a very narrow sliver? when it comes to the trump base,
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they're not going to see any of the hateful rhetoric in any way, shape, or form. it's just simply passionate debate. so they're not going to be impacted. those on the left, the democratic base, they're already there. so what it comes down to, it's geographic in wisconsin and vario varies from state to state. here in wisconsin they may have buyer's remorse. the president blaming for this and those in the party defending him, i think it could have an impact on those who are already jittery about president trump. >> now, you raise a point i was going to next, those blaming others, the president blaming others. we're talking about terrorists that are all american, these are not people from mexico that are sending these bomb threats and that went in that church.
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these are white male americans in each of these incidents this week. how much can we keep talking about others when these are home-grown americans that are doing this? >> and understand -- now, we'll never know what motivated them, but there is the problem. the president and his defenders say his rhetoric had nothing to do with it, these are mentally disabled men. those are exactly the type of people that i, charlie sykes and others on the radio talk show this is what we were worried about. and then when this rhetoric continued once the president was president. can we say definitively that's what motivated these men? we can't, but president trump and his defenders can't say definitively say it wasn't. it certainly could be. logic certainly has a factor, and yes, they do fit the
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trumpian template of the voter that he seems to be appealing to. >> christina, we can't say the president is dreirectly responsible but we can say he set clearly has in some ways given some kind of conflict to the those that the may be crazed, but that therefore feel like they are not outside of what is normal to now and do certain thing, and again, i am not blaming him directly for the act, but the climate that normal normalize s this and makes somebody on the edge feel i'm not on the edge, and these people feel the same. >> well, he has been out there sprinkling around the gasoline and he did not light the match, but it was spreading the gasoline and even before the birthers the central park five. but we thought that a lot of issues in the country were institution, and now what we are
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finding is they are norms. people behave in a certain way, and not necessarily because of the laws and the i.n.s. tus, but because it was the right thing and of course, the right wing buzz word this week is civil. the civil thing to do, and this president said, throw it out of the window, and only suckers pay the taxes, and if you don't like the immigrant neighbors, that is okay, let them know. and so he said it at the rallies, it is fine to let people know, and he would protect them, if you beat up someone at my rallies, then fine, i will pay for it, and i can do anything they want to, and as he plays the victim all of them are taking things from us, and he loves that sort of language and he then also is sort of saying, and this is why we is to fight them, and he is creating the medias, a tnd the democrat party is the enemy and he is creating new terms and new enemies constantly, and now we will see the real dangers of the rhetoric, and words matter. >> and pete, as you know, i have
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been out here in civil rights all of my life, decades now. as i have gotten older, i have never thought they would live to see where we were dealing with the white male as the victim. they have actually tried to sell the american public that white males even of all of the data says that they are inherently having advantages, they are the victims now at the preaching of us stop victimization, and this is all built on the reverse victimization by donald trump. >> yeah, i am here to tell you that we are doing fine. we have had every -- >> news flash. >> i am a straight white guy, and i'm bald and i used to get some crap for snowboarding at the ski mountain, and, rev, it is real hard. when i played with guns growing up, the cops would pull us over and show us how to hold them better better, and the idea in one poll that i saw that 55% americans
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thought they were more discriminated against than minorities, and this is so, so important, and of course, it is not just white supremacy, but it is male supremacy, and patriarchy, and these are firmly still in place in the country and in every institution, and in the legal institution, and the media institution, and of course in politic, and of course in z business. we are still on top and we are still taking all of the advantage of all of the privileges and not enough americans understand our history, and there is so much more, and obviously work that we need to do, but again, we have to look at the media's role in this, because it is easy to talk about trump, and by the way, he is so complicitt in this in my mind, because he applauds the people with who are violent, and he says, it is okay to a congressman to beat up a reporter. he says it is ook. he does not acknowledge the things that are -- >> and said he is my kind of guy. >> and so when you are rush limbaugh and shawn hannity all day every day making it seem
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like it is with white people struggling and it is black folk, and it is a happening all of the time. >> and jerry, you are a conservative, but you have in fairness, taken on mr. trump, and why haven't we heard more conservative, and more high-profile conservatives raise the obvious here in terms of the divisiveness and the dangerous divisiveness that has been demonstra demonstrated by the president? >> i this they there are a couple of reasons for that, and let's break up the population, the conservative population there. all right. when you are taking the names that you just heard rush limbaugh and shawn hannity, they know that the bread is buttered by appeasing the tribe, and they know what that the tribe wants to hear, and they are going to give it to them everyday and quite frankly, i think that a personal vested interest in protecting the president. i will tell you then that when you are turning to the republican legislative republicans, it is abject fear
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that they are afraid to cross the president. i am sure that you know this, and you talk to some of them privately, and you will hear a different story. >> yeah, you are right. i have to cut it there, and we have nine days to go, and i am sure that you will have a lot to say. thank you, christina grier, pete dominic and jerry bader. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. ts. stay with us read all around. because each job in energy creates many more in this town.
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new york city, the cardinal dolan, imams of and leaders of the jewish temples to denounce the hate crime that happened yesterday. but until we can step outside of our faith, our race, our silo, and become outraged no matter who it is, we will not grow to b be the country that we profess that we want to be. whether it was in 2015 with the emanuel nine in charleston that were killed because they were black in a church or the 11 jews yesterday in the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh, we must show the same outrage, because until we stop hate for anybody, we make it something that is a threat to the everybody. step outside of your zone and
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let us unite against hate and bigotry and violence. that is what will make this country work for everybody. that does it for me. thank you for watching. i will see you back here next saturday at 5:00 p.m., and meanwhile, like us on facebook.com/politicsnation, and follow us on twitte twitter @politicsnation. up next, "meet the press" with chuck todd. this sunday, a nation on edge. 11 people killed in a mass shooting at a pittsburgh synagogue. >> one of the worst i've seen. i've seen plane crashes. it is very bad. >> the suspect, a man with a history of anti-semitism and hostility towards refugees. >> this evil anti-semitic attack is an assault on all of us. >> this just after 14 pipebombs are mailed to trump critics. the president briefly attempts the role of healer.
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