that wraps it up with me. deadline: white house, with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone. it is 4:00 in new york. every day, events force us to decide if we believe in coincidences. and in eight days, voters will have to decide if they believe that it is merely a coincidence that while the american president uses his office to smear immigrants, to attack minorities and women, and malign the media and democrats, the nation suffers its deadliest attack on jewish-americans in u.s. history. voters will have to decide if the florida man who mailed pipe bombs to more than a dozen prominent democrats and journalists would have done so in any other political moment. voters will have to decide if they think that this political climate, one in which the american president tweets images of trains running over reporters, mocks victims of sexual assault, and smears his political opponents by calling them low iq, corrupt, and crazy,

is one that we are hurd ling toward, whether donald trump became president or not. voters will have to die if it is a fluke that no republicans in congress took to the air waves this weekend, to deliver rousing speeches, this morning, to condemn donald trump's language on the campaign trail, or urge a cooling of his rhetoric about immigration, or democrats, or sexual assault victims, or the media. and voters will have to decide if they're okay with our memories of honor in the white house being just that. distant memories. >> as they prepared for their journey, and waved good-bye, and slipped the bonds of earth, to touch the face of god -- >> you have lost too much. but you have not lost everything. and you have certainly not lost america. >> and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.

♪ amazing grace ♪ how sweet the sound. >> i think i've been toned down if you want to know the truth. chi really tone it up. because as you know, the media has been extremely unfair to me. and to the rep republican party. >> you heard trump's message in the last clip, the media is to blame, something he underscored in a tweet this morning tweeting quote there is great anger in our country caused in part by inaccurate and even fraudulent reporting in the news. the fake news media, the true enemy of the people, must stop the open and obvious hostility and report the news accurately and fairly. that will do much to put the flame of anger and outrage. and we will then be able to bring all sides together in peace and harmony. >> for months, republican officials have complained privately that president trump lacks the ability to confront

moments of crisis with moral clarity. choosing to inflame the divisions that have torn the country apart rather than try to bring it together. exhibit a, trump's political attacks, just from this weekend. all just hours after the massacre of jewish americans in pittsburgh. >> now, i did a little tiny bit of research, and mike's opponent, brenden kelly, is a vote for nancy pelosi, and of course, maxine waters. and their job-killing agenda. i'm talking about that tiny little, you know, the losers, that were, the losers that were, some guy named kristol, bill kristol, listen, he called it wrong from day one. >> a democrat named hillary clinton.

you have the haters and they continue to hate. these are foolish and very stupid people. very stupid people. >> here to take us through the latest developments, our favorite reporters and friends, with us from the "washington post," white house reporter ashley parker, and senior political reporter aaron blake. here at the table, nbc news, and msnbc national affairs analyst john hileman, a co-host and executive producer of show time's the circus. bill kristol, founder and editor at large. -- >> the bill kristol. >> i thought you were going to say at the table, we have a distinguished group of reporters and losers. >> getting a shout-out in a rally is like one insult above getting a hate tweet. so congratulations on that. and matt is here. let's me start with you since you have the honor of being mentioned in donald trump's hate

filled, lie filled rally speech this weekend. what did you feel like being singled out, not personally, but the moment you were singled out, in the hours after the deadly attack on jewish americans in our country's history? >> i don't know what was in his mind. if i said something that particularly annoyed him, if that happened, that is fine with me. a couple of reporters called yesterday and i thought of witty insults and it is so inappropriate what he is doing at this moment that i prefer not to participate in exchanges of insults. what is so unbelievable is he is having that rally hours, or the same day, as the murder of the 11 people at the synagogue in pittsburgh. a murder that's partly precipitated, i think, by the climate that he has encouraged, and in particular, on an issue where he has been utterly demagogic, the caravan of fmgs, the immigrants which seems to be the thing that triggered this man who obviously was hating jews in any case but because the synagogue was helping raise

money for the refugee resettlement organization, that's what he said, that's enough, this murderer posted something and said i'm going in. so in that climate, i mean for him to be joking around, or wasting time, mocking me, or something, i mean it is really, it is bad. it is really bad for the country. and then the thing you read, republican officials privately are worried this is going to distract from the closing message of the midterm, really? is that the level we're operating at? >> 11 people are murdered and a country in which incidentally two african-american men are murdered the day before, in kentucky, and then the pipe bombs are delivered, and not delivered, hopefully, and don't go off, thankfully, to many, many people, former presidents, and journalists, and that's, you know, it is all the republican, it is the republicans are privately worried that the president's hurting their midterm closing message, and the president publicly is unabashed in attacking the media, and in his normal behavior, i suppose. >> which is what? what is his normal behavior? >> demagoguery. i have always thought he is a

demagogue. no restraints except when he hit, you know, when something starts to hurt him in which case he can sometimes to back off but a total willingness to exploit any division, any anxiety, any resentment, anything that a normal president or mayor or congressman or public figure of any kind would say we have to tamp this down. this is not good for the country. he has not of that instinct. he has the opposite instinct, to exploit, and to exacerbate divisions. >> yes, i mean, you know, bill has the capacity to provoke and annoy, it has been years, you've been working on it. >> thank you. >> you've been doing that very well. >> it is a general consensus. >> i don't think bill did anything particular this week other than the fact that he is a member of the jewish faith. and the president has made a point, in moments when there is anti-semitism that is a rage, or racism that is raging, and there

are hate groups out on the march, the president makes a point always of sending the same message. which is see here, it is not a big deal, it doesn't really bother me. this is like the message in all of this, which is are you going to call barack obama and hillary clinton to express your concern or condolences or that you're going to, you will fight to the last dog dies to find out who sent the pipe bomb, i will pass. that's what he said on friday. we will pass on that. he is constantly trying to give the message to people in those hate groups that he is not troubled by their hateful behavior, by their violent behavior. he does not rise to it, not because he doesn't have peggy noonen, he doesn't have disgrace, certainly he doesn't have any grace, and he does not try to tamp these things done, and in fact, he sends the opposite message. last week, we had a debate between gillum and desantis and gillum he was right on the

money, and with desantis, i don't think you're racist, and i don't know if he is -- i don't know, but i know the racists and anti-semites think he is perfectly tolerant of racial violence and anti-semitism violence and we saw it in charlottesville and the campaign and now. >> what about this question that voters have to answer in eight days? they have to decide, and this someone of the messages. and everybody has a message, they have a great message. sometimes it is drowned out by at&t's attack on bill -- out by donald trump's attack on bill kristol and others, but the democrat's closing message seems to be the strongest on health care, they will take it away, which is their plan, it is not a political attack, that is their legislative agenda and that the character of the country is on the ballot. >> the character of the country is on the ballot. and there needs to be someone who will check this demagogue. there needs to be someone who -- >> is that enough? >> it is not enough to make him stop, no. there is no way to make donald trump stop this until he is gone from office. i think john nails it exactly.

it is not just that he tolerates this, it is not just he tolerates anti-semitic and racism -- anti-semitism and racism, he welcomes it and every time he has a chance to tell his supporters, i don't want your support if you're a racist, i don't want your support if you're an anti-semite, he doesn't do it and he will get up and read the words from a script that is written to him, but he always finds a way after the fact to give a wink and a nod to tell them, you know what, i'm really with you. you don't have to listen to the speech i gave, and you saw me up there stiff, reading from the remarks, you know that's what i have to do, but i will come out and i will send a tweet, i will say something, i will go to a rally and attack the people who got pipe bombs in the mail by name or tweet about tom, who got a pipe bomb in the mail last week, if you wanted to send a message that it is not okay to send, you know, to make, to take violent acts against these people, maybe stop attacking them, at least for a couple of days after they have received bombs in the mail. >> ashley parker, you report that it is not that donald trump fails to console the nation in hours of crisis, it is that he

doesn't want to. he does not view this as one of the more important aspects of the american presidency, as he views the american presidency. just talk about the balancing act. i mean sarah huckabee sanders took to the podium today in what i thought, a manner that she seemed to think that consoling the country or speaking to our grief after the deadliest shooting of american jews in this country's history, was part of the job, but donald trump undermined her, at every moment, that he made his way in front of cameras on sunday, and saturday night. >> right. well there is a sense, in a lot of these moments, that the president is struggling, he just can't quite do it, but in reporting, in that piece, and talking to people, it is not necessarily that he is struggling. we have seen time and time again that he is perfectly capable of reading words off of a teleprompter and delivering them quite compellingly, it is that he is uninterested. he doesn't view that as one of the jobs of the president or one of the roles of the presidency, to be a unifier in chief, a

consoler in chief. he is sort of at his core, and this is the way he has governed since taking off office, isn't moving to the middle and trying to moving together, playing to the base. if you watched sarah huckabee sanders's press conference today, it was fascinating actually, because she sort of in a way was reflecting all over the board messaging of her boss, the president. so she did come out, she was length matly emotional, and choked up, she condemned what she called the heinous acts, she talked about the president, having jewish grandchildren, his social, and -- son-in-law and his daughter converted, and in the same press conference simultaneously echoed trump in attacking the media, he will continue the campaign work drawing con taft with the democrats as they head into the election. so you're sort of seeing a white house who doesn't quite know where to come down and that's in part because the president is not doing the traditional things we expect of the president in these moments.

>> sarah huckabee sanders was mads a a wasp on twitter and in that -- mad as a wasp on twitter and in that press conference today. we would show it to you but we have a policy at 4:00 not to air sarah huckabee sanders on television so you will have to take our word for it. talk about you, and your idea, i think this is the best summation of this moment, in our whole politics, in this entire presidency, is trump is the new variable that makes the violence in this political moment different than anything that has come before it. explain. >> yes, so look, the point that i've made is that it is virtually impossible to know whether we would be in a moment like this, if we had a president who employed the kinds of rhetoric that we would expect from a president, whether that be not stoking controversy, and using dog whistles or that would just be there willing to try to spend more time-out trying to unify the country -- more time trying to unify the country, to bring people together. it is a variable. the president of the united states has made a decision to employ this kind of language. he has employed this kind of

language to great effect in a lot of ways by rallying his base to him, by creating a dichotomy between himself and the media, where his base always believes him, when there is a controversy here. when you create that variable, though, and then we get a different outcome than we're used to, and this week has decidedly been a different outcome than we're used to, with a huge attack on jewish-americans, just a couple of days after we have all of these postal bombs, and when you have that different outcome, it is fair to look for these variables that we have not had before. and one of those variables is the rhetoric that the president has chosen to employ. and so when republicans complain about how the media is maybe blaming president trump, or talking about whether president trump is to blame, but not blaming bernie sanders for the shooting at the republican baseball practice, last year, they're ignoring the fact that the president has inserted a variable that bernie sanders did not insert before that shooting took place, and so i think that is really a key part of this debate, that gets lost in a lot

of the partisan rhetoric. >> aaron blake, you also keep an eye on republicans, and republicans have picked up every line from this president, and i'm never shocked anymore, at all they will do in service of trump and trump-ism but i am surprised that john cornyn, at least times in my career, was a professional republican senator, he sounded the right notes, as someone who was one of the leaders, or an ascend ant leader in the party but not this weekend, he blamed democrat, he talked about mobs, and he called out cory booker, maxine waters, eric holder and hillary clinton, who i believe it is not every one of them, i think every one of them received pipe bombs last week. shocking to me that john cornyn has followed donald trump down the rabbit hole. >> a lot of these republicans have seen what it is like to denounce the president over the last three years. it almost always comes back on them, in a way that they don't like. especially somebody in a state as conservative as texas.

john cornyn is never going to have to worry about winning a general election. at least not for a few years. he's got to worry about the republican primary. and so what these republicans have learned is they have much more interest in kind of towing the line. they have tried to go against the president in certain instances. it has come back on them badly. and so what we've seen is, they have kind of gradually adopted some of these tactics over the course of the last two years. it is not completely on the same page. we don't see the same kind of language necessarily. but a lot of times, it is very suggestive attack, which is what we saw from john cornyn this weekend. >> actually, there is always something, and i want to read something from julia iathe, how much responsibility does trump bear? i saw it while reporting on russia, where, after unexpected pro-democracy protests and the annexation of crimea, putin create and environment so vicious, so toxic, he called critics national traders, and when assassins killed the

opposition leader boris, at the foot of the kremlin walls in 2015, it was easy for people to blame the divisive political rhetoric, as if it were a spon terrence weather pattern rather than putin himself for creating it. and everyone understood immediately. the message it sent. descent is a deadly business. putin may not have ordered nemstead's assassination but russia's elite could see that he wasn't too concerned about the outcome. ashley, any sense of a parallel inside the white house that you cover? >> this is one of the things that the, the points that the white house is explicitly trying to say, is not the case. you had sarah sanders say that today and previous moments that the president cannot be blamed for the acts of a crazy person, no more than bernie sanders can be blamed for one of his supporters also committing a crime. the white house is very aware of that criticism. and it is something they're working to head off. publicly. but going back briefly to john's

point, one thing they are sort of struggling with is this sense that the president certainly, his critics can make the very fair case that he has not improved civility in discourse, he himself haz sort of advocated violence in certain ways and sometimes saying jokingly when he suggested he likes candidates who body slam reporter, other times during the campaign, as a candidate, when he encouraged his own supporters to go after protesters and when he uses coded language and saying i'm not a globalist, i'm a nationalist, for instance, it does allow people who view that as saying a white nationalist which is not what the president said, but it allows people to read into that, and to read sort of a permission to behave in ways that they might not otherwise feel comfortable behaving. >> going back to aaron blake's point. here is the thing. i have really covered, in my career, three presidents, in a deep way. clinton, bush, and obama. and all three of them diagnosed the same fundamental problem with the american body of

politics in different ways. they say partisanship, polarization, division is a problem. i will try to solve it. >> they also tried to do something about immigration and were rejected. >> they did. but the bitterness, the toxicity, they thought that was a problem, and they came at it different ways. clinton was one way. and they all tried to solve it. and all failed miserably and left the country more divided, more polarized than when they come in. trump is the first one who saw it and said you can't, i don't know if he ever wanted to fix it but he said there is opportunity here. for him, division and toxicity and poison are a feature and not a bug. they are the core of how he has managed to win in 2016. the core of how he thinks republicans can hold on in 2018. and it is what he thinks can win in 2020 again. it is not to try to tamp it down. but to inflame it. and if you drive a deep enough wedge in the country there is just enough vote to keep him in office. that's how he sees it. >> really quick.

>> i think that was the best i've seen with cull pableility around the globe. they set the tone. demagogues set the tone. they set the music and their followers answer. and they set the tone by the actions and rhetoric beforehand and the action and the rhetoric afterwards. and i think ashley went through it exactly right. it is not just that donald trump has run on division, and delegitimization and stigma tieization of minority groups but condoned violence over and over again and his supporters hear that message loud and clear. >> thanks for spending time with us. after the break, president obama hits the campaign trail and hits it hard. we will show you his closing messages for democrat, independents and republicans who have something to say about the character of our country. and also andy gillum, the clap-back of the politics of division. and the author of the moving pieces of the shooting in

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mourns the darkest day in its history, an anti-semitic massacre that hitting literally in the mr. roger's neighborhood. we have a moving piece from the times, we are living in an age with anti-semitic anti-semitism is on the rise here at home and think about last year's chance that jus will not replace us in charlottesville or the president's attacks on globalists and international bankers and the corrupt media, and which are associated with jews in the minds of anti-semites. it is not surprising this has translated into acts of violence. now pittsburgh joins the growing list of communities around the world that have been troeerrori by anti-semitic fanatics, from kansas city, to dubai, to jui jerusalem, it is difficult.

and we have barry from washington. i tweeted at you last night, i read your piece after not turning on the dealt vision all day because i was with my 6-year-old son. and the tears flowed. take us through what you wrote and talk to us about what this has been like for you and your home. >> i would have to say it is very strange being here as a journalist. i'm standing on a lawn half a block where i grew up, and the synagogue is around the corner, the tree of life, it is disorienting, but on the other hand, you really have to have no imagination to, you know, not be able to grass than this can happen to your community. -- to grasp that this can happen to your community. and serm the jews of all people are aware of the anti-semitism that is rising here at home, the anti-semitism that has been a part of our history forever. so it is shocking that it came to our community. and it is bewildering. but not that surprising, if you have been paying attention to what is going on in this country. i once remember -- >> i'm sorry. >> keep going, why is not

surprising? >> because anti-semitism is not just a normal prejudice. it is a conspiracy theory. it argues that there is a secret hand controlling the world. and that secret hand is the jew. so donald trump doesn't need to be an anti-semite for smeeconspy theorists to rally. the enemy of the people. globalists. he has been saying it for two years every single day. people like richard spencer and david duke hear jew jew jew and drawn to his banner. obviously he didn't pull the trig ner there on saturday morning. but it is impossible not to see this in context. and i think it is important that we do, without laying the blame entirely at his feet. he is inculcating an atmosphere of conspiracy thinking that is absolute poison, especially for the jews. >> let me play some of that. just what you mentioned. >> we will no longer surrender this country, or its people to the false song of globalism. >> we reject the ideology of

globalism and we embrace the doctrine of patriotism. >> they call globists, they like, they like the globe, i like the globe, too. i like the globe, too. but we have to take care of our people. we have to, globalists, a globist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly, not caring about our country so much. and you know what? we can't have that. you know, they have a word. it sort of became old-fashioned. it is called a nationalist. and i say, really? we're not supposed to use that word. you know what i am? i'm a nationalist, okay? i'm a nationalist. >> sam stein and bari, i want both of you on this. bari, go ahead first. that's exactly what you described. >> that's exactly what it is. i have to say one thing, just about being in squirrel hill, and being in pittsburgh at this moment, which is, i hear that, and that could not be farther from the reality here and the

reality of the community where i grew up. this is anti-trump country. in its heart. people here are decent. they are kind. they are open-hearted. i mean i have always known this about squirrel hill. and anyone who lives here can tell you that. the only positive thing to come out of this is that we now get to show, and model, what a real community looks like to the world. and our leader, donald trump, might not be doing that, but the people in this community really are, and it is ju -- jews and nonjews and the community here is the opposite of what donald trump ran his presidency on. >> sam stein, you write, for those who are subjected to bigotry who have seen their communities targeted or secluded or portrayed as threat, it is not a shock to the system. it is layer fying. a moment where the cultural war has become painfully exposed for the more fortunate to say. for myself and others included, it has been difficult to process. >> yes, well my heart goes out

to bari, i'm so sorry this has happened to your community. for me, it is a slightly different story. . the piece i wrote, it began, with a trip i took to auschwitz, when i was a senior in high school. and i remember this moment where i stood over the ash pits of the concentration camps, where people, the dead had been thrown, after going into the furnace. and i couldn't bring myself to cry. and it was a really weird emotional situation for me, where i'm trying to cry, because i know that i should be crying, and i feelt like a fraud in that -- i felt like a fraud in that moment. and then when i reflected on it, a week later or so, i recognized how fortunate i really was, because i had never experienced anti-semitism, and when i went back to america from poland, i would not experience anti-semitism, certainly not along the lines of what people in poland had experienced. i had been brought up in this place where i was surrounded by

fellow jews, where no one looked at me as other. and what has happened over the weekend, but really, what started in charlottesville, is that i have come to recognize just how naive i was. that this was always there. it just never had been surfaced. and we can get into a debate over why it is surfacing now. i happen to think that the current administration plays a role. but it is very discomforting to see it presented to you, just this clearly, to watch 11 people die, and especially during the performance of a bris. a bris, for those who are not affiliated, is the ceremony of circumcision that accompanies a son when he is eight days old. in this case, it might have been a baby naming, in which case it was a daughter. but for me, my kid's bris was, i was overcome with tears in that moment. it was so profound. it was so difficult, the joys and the fears of fatherhood just confronting you, but also the

sense of tradition, that i am doing something that dates back to the book of genesis. and for someone to disrupt that moment, in the most heinous and horrible way imagine able, and to take people's lives and including the lives of people who had lived through the holocaust is an incredibly difficult thing to process and it makes you wonder where the jews fit into the american social fabric. >> that is a very moving comment, from both bari and sam, and looking at twitter to see, and just now, just now, a fox news guest says the migrant, the refugees, may have leprosy, and warns, quote, they are going to infect our people in the united states. i mean that is that kind of dehumanizing, combined with the president, who is as reckless and demagogic as he is, it creates a climate where it is the classic climate, where it is not just demagoguery, it really leads to violence. >> you know, i was thinking

about kevin mccarthy, you know, and his tweet, last week, which in some ways, when you think about the way in which the trump virus has infected the body of the republican party, and the thoroughness of it, you got kevin mccarthy, think what you will, i didn't see this coming, that he put up a tweet last week, that calls out george soros, mike bloomberg and tom steyer, three prominent and very jewish sounding names who are also jews, rich, buying the election, you know. kevin mccarthy had to pull that tweet down. when he found out about the bomb, he had the dignity to take it down, although it doesn't really excuse it. >> you call that dignity? >> which is better than leaving it up, and 1996, i covered pat buchanan, he would rally against globalists and we talk about the world banking system that was controlled by bankers named goldman and sachs and ruben and greenspan and it was the most, i

thought at the time, the most naked outfront anti-semitic thing i could possibly here in a presidential campaign in my lifetime, and you are hearing it all again, the same thing, coming back around and around. and i feel for bari and for sam both, as their experiences show. but it has been there all along. it is just, it is a question of why is it raised to the surface? not just donald trump, but trump has clearly created an atmosphere and i think we said it before, but there is also something else going on. >> and it was defeated, and famously at the convention, bob dole, who is not otherwise a great candidate, we will agree, gave a pretty good convention speech, and the most moving part, he said directly to the camera and the people at the convention, which included some buchanan delegates, some of the early states that he won, i can't remember put it, if you're a bigot, i do not want your support. >> and reagan said the same thing. with the clip you can see online and they have said versions of

this. and not i deplore this but i zoo want your -- don't want your support. >> incredibly hard to hear what bari and sam have to say and think about what it means to your community. >> and sarah huckabee sanders talked about the president having a jewish son-in-law and not anti-semitic and we don't know what is in his heart but he knowingly engages in activities that incite anti-semitism. and he cannot possibly know sitting in a room and laughing when someone says lock him up about george soros or globalists, he can't possibly know that he is not incites anti-semitism, so can you be, you know, nonbiased, not being an anti-semite and insite anti-semitism? i don't know. it seems pretty hard to me. >> bari and sam, you wrote the two pieces that reminded me that i am not numb, that we are not numb, everyone needs to get online, and read them right now. thank you for your beautiful, beautiful words. and bari, i am so sorry for your loss, for the loss in your

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you're concerned about civility. please. and by the way, we don't need more mealy-mouthed elected officials who claim they're disappointed by this bad behavior. but then don't do anything about it. and just go along with it. we need leaders who will actually stand up for what's right, regardless of party. leaders who will fight for you. and what's best in the american spirit. patriots who will stand up for anyone whose fundamental rights are at stake, whether it is your health care, or your kids getting bullied in school, because their last name is different, or a neighbor who is being harassed because of who they love. that is what americans do. that's who we are. that's what america is. at its best. and that's what these candidates believe. >> joining us at the table, tiffany cross, co-founder and

managing eder to of "the beat dc" that's pretty good. as someone who worked on the campaign that opposed him in 2008, he is the best. one of the best politicians of our time. >> i would agree. and i would just take issue with one thing. i don't think he has been on the bench. i think he got out of office, he did take maybe a month or two, well deserved after delivering this country out of one of the worst -- >> i'm not knocking him. i'm just saying -- you're not the only thing. a lot of people think he has been on the bench. >> he has turned it up. >> this is a sharper, a broader message. >> i agree. >> speaking to republicans and independents. >> i completely agree. i think it says where we are as the country, when they say he is on the sidelines. and he thinks -- he echoes his wife, when they go low, he goes high. he is the best surrogate i think to deliver this message. i think when you see the walking and talking oxy moron that is donald trump, and business on the ladder, when he is talking

about, you know, protecting our election integrity, because of this caravan coming to the country, that's kind of ridiculous, you need a counter-message. and i think he does quite frankly a better job than a lot of the front-runners that we see in the democratic party right now. he inspired an entirely new electorate who he lost quite frankly in 2016. i think a lot of people are looking to him to get inspired again. but i also want to caution people, he delivered a really good message to say, listen, too wait to get goose bumps by a candidate. that we're in dangerous times. you have to be a little more realistic. and people want this tv star. they want this instagram superstar. this, you know, twitter person who will clap back every time. and he is talk can to logical, intellectual people, democratic, independent, republican, libertarian, et cetera, to inspire people to get involved. and i think you see a lot of candidates on the ballot this year reflecting that. again, i think when people look for him to be the number one surrogate, he is also inspired hundreds of people who are running at the state, federal, and local level. so you have candidates who are

also echoing this message who often don't get the national platform like he does. you have california, michael blake here in new york city. so i think, when we have seen his influence, it cast a wide net across the country. >> it is great to see him out there. i think he does two things. one, he obviously turns out democrats. he has always been, one of the best strengths to given a speech and kind of break down hypocrisy and the opposing party, it is one of his strengths as president. didn't always deliver votes or didn't always deliver legislation, but he can speak, breaking down hypocrisy and the kind of demagoguery on the other side. the second thing i think he does, by being out there, this is implicit contrast about what a president out to look like and sound like. >> to hear that speech. talking about kids being bullied. just what their name is. or people, you know, being attacked just for who they love. that's what we ought to hear from a president. especially in divisive times. >> such a good point. it is such a good point. this is where this president is almost post partisan. donald trump makes you long for everything that came before him.

i have never seen a leader in american politics who fails to do the easy things, who -- >> if you have democrats who miss george bush. >> i think the idea is that the conduct, the conduct is so, when i get, i am like, i don't get called out at rallies but i hear complaints and my phone can be a complaint place, and i am gutted by his conduct in office, his conduct is so outside the realm of normal and the inability to say, if kids get bullied because they see in my a role model that is such a bully, that is a brute and a bully and a jerk, all the time, might i do something better? it is not -- and i think that this country is so forgiving of all politicians, if he were to, and i think in democrats should be more afraid of him getting good than him getting bad. if the conduct were to change, republicans fell in line with him acting like this. >> here is, you will like this. because it is a little bit of that inside baseball stuff, right? so you're probably, you may be part of some of this, i was talking to a former senior obama administration official, having

a drink last night and this person was saying that there is a text thread that this person happens to be on with people who work in the clinton administration and those who work in the bush administration and the obama administration and they were all commenting on when the pittsburgh slaughter happened, they were all commenting on how all of them would have had the same reaction within their white house. which was how many days are we going to go down, we are going to pull him off the road, is it 24 hours? is it enough? 72? we're in that span. and they all look on aghast at the fact that this white house just gives no consideration, there is not even a debate about it. but the thing that is more appalling, is that not only do they not behave like that and not think about it anymore, it is not even a consideration, to take him off the road, and of course you won't take him off the road. what we would do with him, he wants to be in the rodeo, but they don't pay a price for. it and this is the question. and my point, we will see on november 6. part of the reason that november 6 matters so much, is that kind

of aberration, that kind of abberrance, the good traditions that were true in republican administrations and democratic administrations in the past, among staffers like you and they have been obliterating and so far they pay no price because he is at the highest point in the approval ratings so far this term. >> and parallel to that, in the 2004 campaign, a bin laden tape cake out in the final week of the election and i think john kerry believes it contributed to his loss. and we're old enough to remember, the three of us, when a crisis in the country, it gave a president an opportunity to unite the country around its grief, actually it was a political benefit. not only do they not realize that, but they know he is so deficient, that a crisis or a tragedy in this country only accrues to his deficit, to his harm. >> if you're a demagogue, you can sometimes turn a crisis your benefit by turning it to the

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butt the thing about the races is that both of them are different in a lot of ways. but they have really broken the mold on how an african-american runs a big state. in the past, the model for it was you don't want to run as a black candidate. you want to run as a candidate who is black and try to be broad based, don't run as a race man or a race woman. these two candidates have embraced their -- this is how i'm going to win. not as something i have to gingerly step around. he keeps calling on his subtle sometimes and not so subtle other times racial appeals in that race. >> part of this moment is where everyone has to choose. you either choose to give safe

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