this tuesday might be the most important election of our lifeti lifetime. >> a blue wave equals a crime wave. >> donald trump is trying to scare us about ourselves, it's not going to work. >> they have a lot of rough people in those caravans, they are not angels. >> we democrats, we choose hope over fear. >> and decency and commence and good will can win out over bad. >> we are not powerless, every single one of us has the same power at the polls. >> i'm just asking you to go and

vote. we have to vote. >> don't boo, vote! three nights from now, at this hour, we will be counting the votes in an election that could break republican control of washington. according to the new york times, a consensus is emerging among democratic and republican strategists based on public and private polling, early voting and likely turnout, the democrats are on track to pick up about 35 seats in the house. the democrats need 23 seats to control the house of representatives. today on the campaign trail, president trump sounded like he knows that the democrats are going to win control of at least the house of representatives if not the senate. the president said, they're

going to take control of congress, they want to give our country away. they want to knock it down with a giant wrecking ball, to our economy and to our future. if the president said anything true on the campaign trail, we would show that to you. there are now two more campaign days left, sunday and monday. president trump went to montana and florida today. in florida, as usual, he was more comfortable attacking the democrats than he was for giving a reason to vote for the republican candidates. the president said, in rick's case, he's going against somebody that's falling asleep. that is a lie. that is the president talking about democratic incumbent senator bill nelson, who works much harder at his job than donald trump does at his. here's how the president

referred to andrew gillum. the president said, in ron's case, he's going against somebody that's got a lot of energy, but runs one of the worst -- one of the biggest problem cities anywhere in the country. that is a lie. tallahassee is not one of the worst cities in the country. the president said he's not doing a job. you don't want to have him running florida, that i can tell you. andrew gillum is doing the job of mayor of tallahassee, so well that about half of the state wants him to be governor, and we will find out exactly what that number is on tuesday night. in a key senate race, we'll be watching in arizona, krysten cinema is in a statistical tie with martha mcsally. in a state that usually votes for republicans for senate.

they're running for the seat occupied by retiring jeff flake. here's nbc's von hilliard in arizona today. >> who did you vote for? >> cinema. >> the democrat? >> yes. >> do you usually vote democrat? >> no. >> no. >> are you republican? >> yes. >> but not any more. i'm changing. the republican party is not the same as it used to be. >> do you usually vote democrat? >> no. registered republican. >> why vote for cinema, then? >> to change things up. >> not too happy with the state of the republican party right now. >> i'm a former republican, and i'm taking a break from voting for any republicans as long as donald trump is president. >> why not martha mcsally? >> she'll support his policies.

>> yesterday obama had this to say. >> a former republican congressman, david jolly just cast his vote, he voted for andrew gillum. he said, the reason is simple, because i've served with ron desan tuesday. i don't imagine congressman jolly and mayor gillum agree on a lot. but maybe they just like all of us, agree there's some things bigger than politics. and that's on the ballot right now. what kind of politics do we want? >> joining our discussion now, former republican congressman david jolly from florida, also jason johnson, and neera tanden hillary clinton's policy director during the 2008

presidential campaign. what was that like listening to president obama invoke you as a way to stimulate the vote for the democratic candidate. that's a first for you? >> i never thought if i was going to be name dropped by a president i'd be excited to hear from president barack obama. his words challenged me when i heard those, it's true that andrew gillum and i don't agree on much. compared to where the republican party is, there are issues that i am in more agreement with, i'll give you two. expanded medicaid expansion. expansion of health care access for all. and specifically when it comes to the gun control debate. he may be further left than i would be, i'd like to see more gun control in the state of florida. lawrence, you can't overlook the contrast in tone. we are living this hope versus fear debate right now, what we heard from president obama compared to the fear we're

hearing from president trump, reflects the broad disparity between the parties right now. we are better people than the voices we are hearing from the republican leadership. that is why i said, i cannot vote for anyone that reflects the trumpism of today's republican party, but at the same time, i'm now a persuadable voter, and i see in democratic candidates, including andrew gillum, someone who speaks more as to who i want us to be as a people and a country than any republican in leadership today. >> jason, you're in florida, you're taking in all this campaign action. i would happily play video of president trump campaigning honestly for a candidate or against a candidate. if he wanted to say something that was true, i would show the video. i can't find any such video. >> yeah, because the president spends most of his time lying and talking about himself, and setting up whatever kind of magic pillow he's going to fall

on when republicans lose a lot of seats this fall. the biggest thing i've gotten in spending time down here, this is always what happens when you get a chance to spend time on the ground. there's some really important just florida issues here. that people really care about, i mean, education and teachers haven't gotten raises in a long time, you have a lot of republicans down here that are environmentalists. so much of florida's economy comes with tourism. what ends up happening is, you have a candidate like desantis that bothers a lot of independent voters. a lot of fishermen down here. that bothers people that do boat tours. i cannot, i'm a republican, but i cannot support republicans who do not believe in climate science, since that is also the economy in florida. there's a lot of really interesting complex issues down here, i think this race is a lot closer than a lot of people think, if they haven't spent time down here yet. i don't think desantis is on the right side of a lot of the issues that i've heard independent voters talking about

down here. >> neera tanden, the early voting numbers are striking. nationwide, 32 million in the last midterm election, 2014, where there was not a presidential candidate on the ballot, that total for early voting was 21 million. it's a striking difference. what do you make of it? >> there's obviously a dramatic interest in this election, i think something that's really important to see in these numbers is that we have people who have never voted before. not only voting in the midterm, but early voting. that means they're coming out because of candidates. so those numbers are hard to see in any poll, you can't model those voters, there's hundreds of thousands in florida. there's hundreds of thousands in texas. people -- usually people when they vote for the first time, they vote for the first time in a presidential election. it's really unprecedented to have this happen. and i think it's really two

things. i think there are candidates on the ballot who are exciting voters, voters who are less interested in politics. they find a reason to vote, not just against desantis, but for andrew gillum and bet toe o'rourke and stacey abrams. look, there's an indictment of what the president is doing abo. everything david jolly said is the tone, the tenor, the hateful chaos on the campaign trail. that's juicing up the president's base, i also think it's creating a larger counter response in the country. >> and to zoom in on some numbers inside the early voting numbers, the under 30 vote, which is the vote that usually is the least represented, the one that -- where the turnout is the lowest. at this point in 2014, at the last midterm election, the under 30 early voters were less than a million, 849,000.

this year it's almost triple that, it's 2,347,000. david jolly, what does that tell you, there's this big big jump in early voting among voters under 30? >> so let's recognize, this is a great trend. we also have to recognize that there is no other model that we can compare to this. so all of these polls, while we trust them as much as we can, there's no model on which to base this, and i think there's two things to look at. one, we know that tuesday is about donald trump, no question about it, the man has made the last three years about himself, and so tuesday necessarily is about the president and donald trump and his leadership. the number i'm looking for, though, which is fairly consistent regardless of turnout. if you are a candidate, you have to hold over 90% of your party generally to be successful, right? as a congressional candidate, i had to know that republicans -- i was going to have 90 to 92% of

republican support, if it fell below 90, i was in trouble. that's something we're going to be able to look back at after tuesday, and measure. what was the attrition among republicans. the weakness for ron desantis rights now, they're hovering low, it's why andrew gillum may be the next governor. >> a strange entry into the campaign, a fund-raising e-mail from melania trump. she says, and, of course, she didn't write a word of this, that's not the way this is done. professionals wrote it for her, but she allowed them to put her name on it. democrats in the opposition media are doing everything they possibly can to discredit donald with false accusations, by spreading their fake news and making it appear he does not have the support of america's voters. neera, what's your reaction to that? >> i mean, i think we've learned over the last few weeks that

melania is really -- does not have significantly different views than her husband, and, you know, any hopes to the contrary are mistaken, but i think the continual attacks on the fake news, on the free press, the fact that the president made this incredibly outrageous statement that fake news is driving violence in our country, the fact that we're a week past 11 people murdered in a synagogue by somebody who trafficked in the same hateful rhetoric that the president traffics in around this caravan that's now 950 miles away or something. i think the truth,that the last week has really -- i do think there's some indications that independents are breaking against republicans, that there are -- i mean, against republican candidates, and there are a number of republicans who are crossing over. we'll see for sure on tuesday. still need everyone to vote, we still everyone to canvas and phone bank. i think what's really happening

in this country is that the decisiveness, the hateful rhetor rhetoric, the fact that we had another shooting last night by someone who seems deranged in some way. politicized by the current debate, means that -- i think people are recoiling in horror and look at tuesday as an opportunity to not only check the president. but create a new direction that repudiates this hatefulness. >> i want listen again to something president obama said when he was on the campaign trail in florida. about why the people who won the last election still seem so angry? >> why is it that the folks that won the last election are so mad all the time? you know, i don't know why -- it tells you something interesting. that even the folks who are in charge are still mad. because they're getting ginned up to be mad.

>> david jolly, do you have an answer for that? >> no, i don't, and i'm glad you played that, that was one of the most perfectly put contexts to today's politics, the fact that republicans won, but they're still angry, and i know you're going to be interviewing captain sully and his column put it perfectly, it's because the leader of that movement continues to project that. and he's doing so for his own personal gain and his own political campaign. it's the reason he stokes fear. he needs an enemy. we don't know how tuesday's going to turn out, but one of the soft fears i have is in a democratic victory, the president will be handed his foil for the next two years and the demonization will continue for another 24 months. >> jason, what's your -- what would you offer as a possible answer to president obama's question why they're so angry? >> because some people have to feel oppressed. you control the supreme court, the house, the senate and the

presidency, why are you still bitter? all that winning and suddenly they're just so mad, it doesn't make any sense to me. i think at its core, we saw this from a policy level and a rhetorical level. from a policy level, you hear paul ryan saying, yeah, we didn't realize how hard health care was going to be. like it's easy to complain when you're out of power, but when you have a job to do, it can be burdensome and frustrating and bothersome. from the president's standpoint, donald trump only operates in a world where he is oppressed. he only operates in a world where things aren't fair. he can't make things better, that would basically cease to be the purpose of his presidency, his entire presidency is a repudiation of the changing of america that his supporters don't like. they have to stay angry on a regular basis. no amount of power will satisfy them, his re-election won't satisfy them. what we've seen, and i think this violence is key that we've seen over the last two weeks. these are men who finally have

the icon of bigotry and rage they've wanted in the white house, rather than that being satisfying to them, it encourages them to be more violent. >> neera tanden, the consensus among pollsters and analysts is that the democrats will pick up 35 house seats. they could pick up more. they obviously could pick up less. what can the democrats do with information like that? is this weekend when they start to make some very last minute decisions about resource deployment in certain districts? >> yeah, i'll just say one thing about the president stoking anger, just to say, i think the president's entire campaign, his entire political life has been trying to make people hate someone else. i think he recognizes that his base is not motivated by hope or happiness, it's motivated by fear and anger. and he has done incredible

projection, and it's really just to drive people who haven't been voting in special elections, to actually vote. democrats have been excited to vote. the reality of the next 72 hours is, we have a lot of house incumbent republicans, who are not at 50%, there's like 40, 45 of those who are not in 50%, and that's usually a bad sign. i think a lot of democrats are well funded. the most important thing is to get out the vote. it's really about turning out voters and a midterm that is harder than a presidential, spending the next couple days trying to get people to vote is what i think all these candidates are focused on. >> thank you for starting us off tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. when we come back, captain sullenberger says he feels an obligation to become a defender of democracy. captain sullenberger will join us next. i used to book my hotel room on those travel sites but there was

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obligation to use his celebrated status for good. and in an op ed piece this week, he said, i feel that i now have yet another mission as a defender of our democracy. the fabric of our nation is under attack, while shame, a timeless beacon of right and wrong seems dead. this is not the america i know and love. we're better than this. joining our discussion now, captain sully sullenberger. this really is an honor to have you here. i greatly appreciate you joining us here on this election special coverage. what moved you to write this op ed piece? >> how could i not? i felt an intense obligation to act, not just to watch. to put my voice out there. to vote, to try to make a difference. i think that's an obligation each of us has in this quit cal time. we can't just yell at the tv, we have to do something, we have to

vote. >> you say in the piece for most of your life you were registered republican, but you always voted as an american. >> absolutely. >> what does that mean to you now? >> it means not in a partisan fashion, but in a fashion according to our values. in a fashion according to the threat that we're facing. this is not normal. what is happening in this country is not normal. my original title for the op ed was mayday, mayday, mayday, which, of course, is the international signal for distress about a grave and imminent threat that requires immediate assistance. i'm as concerned about the state of this nation as i have been in a half century, since the turbulent year of 1968. and in some ways, even before that. it's reminiscent in some ways of friday november 22nd, 1963, and october 1962. i learned from my father, a naval officer in world war ii and in my military service, the

responsibilities, the awesome responsibilities of command that with great authority comes great responsibility. i learned that a leader leads from the front. the leader should be the first to face the threat and the last to safety, not the reverse. a leader leads by example, according to core values that frame ones decision, that serve as guardrails to prevent ourselves and our organizations from making egregious errors. a leader leads with respect. an environment that mutual respect, where respect must be earned. but most important. a leader helps everyone serve a cause greater than themselves. it can't just be inwardly focused. right now that's not happening. this is one of the greatest threats this nation has faced in my lifetime. >> the things you just cited historically by date were the cuban missile crisis, the

assassination of president kennedy, 1968, saw the assassination of bobby kennedy, martin luther king. >> the height of the vietnam war. >> the darkest experiences, the darkest experiences of your lifetime and mine. >> and we can all remember where we were when we first heard about them. >> and you're comparing this period to that kind of darkness? >> that is the threat that we face, and people who know me or have heard me or seen me know that i do not exaggerate. i don't need to. >> i want you to listen to some people like you who have been -- in their case lifelong republicans, actively working in the republican party to elect republican presidents and candidates and see if you share their feelings. >> the party of trump must be destroyed politically. >> i am urging everyone to vote

straight ticket democrat in november, i think it's imperative to get checks and balances. >> i left the party five weeks ago. i think democrats should take the house. >> i think it's important that democrats take over the house and/or the senate. any white house is improved by having a check and balance. this white house more than any other. >> those are people, nicolle wallace, steve schmidt who tried to elect john mccain president. they all worked for the election of republican presidents, breyer to donald trump getting that nomination. when you hear those people talking, are they speaking to you? is that your experience as a voter? >> they're speaking with me. >> with you. that is my experience. right now, the majority party in the house and senate are not fulfilling their oath of office, they are not acting as a check and balance. we must replace with those who will. >> there's another line that you have in your piece, where you say, all leaders must take

responsibility and have moral compass grounded in competence, integrity and concern for the greater good. the moral compass seems to be absent. i can't find it, when i look at the republican leadership in washington now. >> if it is there, they're not listening to it, they're not looking at it. >> what do you think, if you could have a moment with the president of the united states, if you could have a minute with him, what would you want to tell him about the way he does his job? >> i don't think he's either capable or willing to change. i think he is remarkably incurious and doesn't value learning. instead of talking to the current occupant of the office, i am talking to the american people. i'm saying, you are the ultimate check and balance. it is up to us, as i said in my

piece, we cannot wait for someone to rescue us, we must do it ourselves, everyone, everywhere must vote in massive numbers. >> you're op ed piece came up after the mass murder in the synagogue in pittsburgh a week ago today. did that have an effect on your sense of urgency about this? >> yes. i had written this piece in its early forms a month ago, i've been refining it, trying to shorten it since then. but yes, this is even more of a crisis than it was when i began writing the piece. >> the way we see the president campaigning tonight, as i said earlier in the show, i can't find something he said that's actually honest on the campaign trail, that is truthful. that isn't just utterly false. so i can't actually -- i don't want to present what he's actually saying. and there are people who see

that as one sided. as if -- and my approach to it is, i'm trying to present what we do here on the side of the truth. and that seems to be a new challenge, the likes of which we've never had. also for voters to sort out truth, it has become much more of a challenge than it used to be. >> that's one of my great concerns. that's why i compare it to these historic events. we're not facing a nuclear annihilation at the moment, but we're facing the breakdown of the fabric of our society, and our willingness to even agree on the same facts. >> going-forward, you intend -- i know you don't want to get into specific candidates, but your suggestion to people is, you should be voting against the republican control that now controls all of washington? >> yes, as a former republican, i've already voted. and i voted for democrats. >> and the -- how uncomfortable

is this for you? you've lived your life without being public politically. most people do. most people go their entire lifetimes without making a public political statement. for people who have to do it the first time, i've always noticed it is uncomfortable and awkward to put it mildly? >> not at all. it's freeing. it's necessary. it's useful, it is my duty. >> would you be able to sit back and watch this process and watch this election process without responding to that sense of duty? a lot of people do? a lot of people feel the way you feel but they don't feel they have a duty to speak publicly? >> i could not let my silence or civility connote acquiescence. >> when we get past this election, do you expect to be -- to continue to have a political

voice, to continue to raise your voice at certain points politically, or have you even felt your way through what that's going to be like? >> i'll let you know after tuesday. >> okay, we will hear from you when we hear from you on this. captain sullenberger, i can't tell you, this is one of the great honors in the history of this show to have you at this table. i really appreciate you coming in tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. >> really appreciate it. when we come back, we'll have more numbers from the campaign trail, we're going to get a report from texas on the o'rourke/cruz campaign in texas.

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and we're back. we're now joined by jennifer rubin and david jolly. jennifer, we just heard captain sully sullenberger talking about his need to speak publicly to the american people about the need to change leadership in washington. i want to get your reaction to what you heard captain sullenberger say. >> he was so impressive, he spoke to our highest aspirations, our highest values. i read his piece in our paper many times, hearing those words were even more impressive, i think. and i think he got to something which i've tried to communicate to my readers, and that is, this is really about your values, what kind of country do we want to be. it's certainly about specific issues, health care, education. immigration. but it's something much more

fundamental. it's about whether we want to live in a culture and political scene which lying passes for truth, in which fear mongering and really hatred and hatred to -- whether it's the horrible mass murder in pittsburgh. it's just a sense that this president keeps going further and further, there's no turning back for him, there's no growing up, there's no improvement. and if we don't take power from him in some way, he will continue to go down this very, very dark road. i think he spoke for a lot of americans, certainly those who have left the republican party, his words resonated with me. >> when he was watching that

video of you and steve schmidt. talking about the need to push republicans out of power. his reaction to that was to say yes, that's exactly what he had been feeling and has now finally said. >> it was, you know, it was interesting, not coming from politics, he was careful in his tones of partisanship. i think what was clear, is that in donald trump we have a president who has abandoned who we are as a people, who we are as a country, who we should be as a country. and to recognize that donald trump has also abandoned an ideology that for a generation both parties have embraced. civility, humanity, and taking care of people from all walks of life. for my republican colleagues who have held their nose and look the other way, because they get

other wins of health care and taxes. i think what sully was saying, civility, and empathy is just as much an ideology as those you might hold in the areas of personal finances and personal health care, and national security. that is what donald trump has abandoned, between the two parties, that has never been in question until this administration. >> jennifer, it's hard to think about an american who knows more about command and being in command, and the necessary characteristics of someone in command than captain sullenberger, and to hear him in effect give up on the possibility of donald trump ever ever being able to adapt to the requirements of being in command was quite striking, and his suggestion just being that voters have to simply instruct donald trump basically on how to do his job by the way they vote. >> i think that's right.

i think he has shed whatever support that was not part of his core base, that he got to go along with him 2342016, there are lots of reasons that you and i talked about. including hillary clinton was a pretty bad candidate. he's now down to this core base, and they're in this cult-like relationship. and he feeds their anger, he feeds their fear. and they applaud him. and so this vicious cycle as he goes out there and pumps them up and they pump him back up, that's not going to change. and so the solution is to outvote them. there are many more people who look unfavorably upon the donald trump that we've now come to see over the past couple years and to provide some legal and constitutional checks. i think what's so very interesting and david was saying this earlier this evening. the differences that i have with democrats these days are so

small compared to the fundamental agreement on the country we want to have. my dear friend, barry weisz who has gone through a terrible ordeal, she's from squirrel hill, she said the other night, no policy is worth this. no policy that you could possibly come up with is worth sacrificing the core beliefs of the united states. and i think that's what i come back to again and again. that this is something so much more fundamental than any one particular issue. the rest of the stuff we can negotiate about if we're operating from a position where we have empathy, respect for truth, we have respect for the rule of law. we remember our core values, the rest of it is in negotiation, if we're not going to have that common sense of humanity and decency, respect for truth, we can't get to those other issues. i look forward to the day where i go back to arguing with my

liberal friends about all sorts of things. right now, i stand shoulder to shoulder with them, because there's something much more fundamental at stake. >> you and i will schedule a debate on what the top income tax bracket should be, as soon as we get clear of this stuff. >> absolutely. >> thank you both for joining our discussion. appreciate it. the latest on the senate race in texas and how one group is using president trump's words against ted cruz. when we were dating, we used to get excited about things like concert tickets or a new snowboard. matt: whoo! whoo! jen: but that all changed when we bought a house. matt: voilà! jen: matt started turning into his dad. matt: mm. that's some good mulch. ♪ i'm awake. but it was pretty nifty when jen showed me how easy it was to protect our home and auto with progressive. [ wrapper crinkling ] get this butterscotch out of here. progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents. there's quite a bit of work, 'cause this was all -- this was all stapled. but we can protect your home and auto when you bundle with us.

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with two campaign days left, beto o'rourke and ted cruz are in a tie. that is a tie within the margin of error. early voting in texas has already surpassed the total vote turnout from the 2014 midterm election. over 5 million early votes already cast. that's more than all of the votes that were cast in 2014, the nonpartisan political report rates this race now as a tossup. ted cruz has embraced the man who he once called unfit for office and a pathological liar.

donald trump has endorsed ted cruz, all texans remember what donald trump's first impression of ted cruz was, and the democrats are reminding texans of that. >> i must tell you one thing about ted cruz, i have never ever met a person that lies more than ted cruz. >> one of the great liars of all time. >> that's why we call him lyin' ted. >> he holds the bible high, and then he lies. >> he's taken so much money from so many different people. >> he's a nasty guy, nobody likes him, nobody in congress likes him. >> ted cruise is not a truthful person. >> he's the most dishonest guy i've ever met in politics. >> those are not ads from the o'rourke campaign, those negative ads are simply donald trump saying what he thinks of ted cruz are from a democratic super pack. here is beto o'rourke's closing argument. >> wanting us to be defined by

our smallness, pettiness, ability to exclude one another from one another's lives. we can insure that never again is another child taken from their parents. [ applause ] >> immigration laws in our own image, reflecting our experiences, our lives, our families, our communities. making sure that no dreamer fears deportation back to a country where they -- [ applause ] >> they are every bit as american as anyone else. are you all with me on that? >> when we come back, we'll go to texas for more on o'rourke versus cruz. today...

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here's more of beto o'rourke campaigning in texas. >> young mothers with their young children who are fleeing the deadliest countries in the hemisphere, doing what any human being would do in the same situation. so meeting that low level of apprehension and that kind of suffering and people trying to lawfully claim asylum with walls, with militarization, with fear, with paranoia, that's not us. that's not this country. and if the president doesn't get it, then the people of texas do. on the 6th of november, we will decide the future of this country, and it will be a far more positive one. we'll live in the best

traditions, our values, our interests, in a way that's simply not reflected in the rhetoric from the president right now. >> joining us now from austin, texas, is oscar silva. he's the executive director of battleground texas. and you are trying to drive turnout for beto o'rourke to the polls, and the polls indicate that this is going to come down to turnout. it's close enough now that it seems like it's going to come down to turnout. >> ba wayne noit's going to be today. yes, the turnout in this election in texas is unlike anything i've seen before. it's very exciting, and although anybody who tells you that they know exactly what's going to happen in texas would be lying to you. what the numbers are showing is that it is an optimistic narrative for texas democrats up and down the ballot. >> and with just two campaign days left, does the o'rourke campaign have a plan that is designed for tuesday's turnout

specifically? >> well, let me tell you this, lawrence. as you mentioned earlier, the turnout in texas is record-breaking with nearly -- or around 5 million texans having already voted. and the strategy is that the beto campaign as well as battleground texas and a lot of texas democratic organizations areal rolling out or featuring voters of color, women, and we're seeing that reflected in the numbers. just as early vote closes last night, we were able to see the surge in first-time voters in texas was bigger than any other state in the country. if you narrow that down a little bit more, you can see that voters who voted for the first time in texas who are 30 years and younger are a lot larger in number than all the voters who are first-time voters in any other state. that's including california. breaking that, you know, much more, you see that older voters have outvoted younger voters 10 to 1 historically. in texas, we're seeing that drop down to 3 to 1 and the young

vote is still surging. >> now, the o'rourke campaign and beto o'rourke very carefully not to do what they call negative campaigning. so he does not have ads out there that goes specifically at ted cruz in some kind of attack way. it's a pac that has put out of that ad of donald trump saying these things about ted cruz. now, in another campaign, you might call that a negative ad because it's negative about ted cruz, but it's the guy who endorsed ted cruz saying negative things about ted cruz. i don't know what you call that ad. but i just want to clarify for the audience that whatever you call it, it's not from the o'rourke campaign. how is that kind of ad playing in texas? we've all been expecting it to happen, that they'd be running what donald trump used to say about his now friend ted cruz. >> well, lawrence, it's no secret in texas that ted cruz polls very low. the truth in texas is that there is a trump factor, and everything that comes with it.

however, texas has had trump-like leadership for a very long time. we currently have attorney general ken paxton with, you know, he's sitting attorney general, and he's under indictment for multiple felonies. we have governor greg abbott, lieutenant governor dan patrick, who have been longtime enemies and attacking the latino community. this is not new to texas. what is new in texas, all these folks are up for re-election. but the spanish community is more energized and more organized than ever before and it's turning out. in fact, hispanics in texas have turned out by a larger margin than any other ethnic group in the state. >> oscar silva, thank you very much for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. now your insurance won't replace it outright because of depreciation. if your insurance won't replace your car, what good is it? you'd be better off just taking your money

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tonight's last word goes to captain sully sullenberger who told us tonight that he has already cast his votes in this election for democrats. if you could have a moment with the president of the united states, if you could have a minute with him, what would you want to tell him about the way he does his job? >> i don't think he's either capable or willing to change. i think he is remarkably incurious and doesn't value learning. instead of talking to the current occupant of that office, i am talking to the american people. i'm saying, you are the ultimate check and balance. it is up to us. as i said in my piece, we cannot wait for someone to rescue us. we must do it ourselves.

everyone everywhere must vote in massive numbers. >> i'll be back on monday night at 10:00 p.m. with "the last word." msnbc's campaign coverage continues right now. ♪ we are here in the home stretch. saturday night. three days to go until the midterm elections. our special coverage continues right now in a moment with oscar winner michael moore, who joins me live. and trump on a blitz in red states, rallying in florida tonight. the last minute polling unanimously shows democrats winning the house with new estimates of democrats gaining 30 to 40 seats. the early voting turnout so far is huge. we can report nearly 33 million ballots ha b