this tuesday might be the most important election of our lifetime. >> a blue wave equals a crime wave. >> donald trump's trying to scare us about ourselves, just not going to work. >> they got a lot of rough people in those caravans. they are not angels. >> we democrats, we choose hope over fear and decency and common sense and goodwill can win out over bad. >> we are not powerless. every single one of us has the same power at the polls. >> i'm just asking you to go and vote like you've never voted

before. we have to vote. >> don't boo, vote. three nights from now at this hour, we will be counting the votes in an election that could break republican control of washington. according to "the new york times," a consensus is emerging among democratic and republican strategists based on public and public and private polling, early voting and likely turnout, the democrats are on track to pick up about 35 seats in the house. the democrats need 23 seats to control the house of representatives. today on the campaign trail, president trump sounded like he knows that the democrats are going to win control of at least the house of representatives if not the senate. the president said they're going

to take control of congress. they want to give our country away. they want to knock it down with a giant wrecking ball. to our economy, and to our future. if the president said anything true on the campaign trail, we would show that to you. there are now just two more campaign days left. sunday and monday. president trump went to montana and florida today. in florida, as usual, he was more comfortable attacking the democrats than he was for giving a reason to vote for the republican candidates. the president said in rick's case, he's going against somebody that's falling asleep. that is a lie. that is the president talking about democratic incumbent senator bill nelson who works much harder at his job than donald trump does at his. here's how the president referred to andrew gillum, the

mayor of tallahassee who is running in a statistical tie with republican ron desantis. the president said in ron's case, he's going against somebody that's got a lot of energy, but runs one of the worst, one of the biggest problem cities anywhere in the country. that is a lie. tallahassee is not one of the worst cities in the country. the president said he's not doing a job. you don't want to have him running florida, that i can tell you. andrew gillum is doing the job of mayor of tallahassee so well that about half of the state wants him to be governor, and we will find out exactly what that number is on tuesday night. in a key senate race we'll be watching in arizona, democrat kyrsten sinema is in a tie with republican martha mcsally in a state that usually votes republican for senate. they are running for the senate

see currently opened by retiring republican jeff flake. martha mcsally has been running as a strong trump supporter and that's not working for some republicans in arizona. here's nbc's vaughn hillyard in arizona today. >> who did you vote for, sinema? >> the democrat. >> do you usually vote democrat? >> no. >> the republican party is not the same it used to be. >> do you usually vote democrat? >> no. >> registered republican. >> so why vote for sinema then? >> to change things up. not too happy with the state of the republican party right now. >> i'm a former republican and i'm taking a break from voting for any republicans as long as donald trump is president. >> why not martha mcsally, though, she's not donald trump. >> she's a republican and she'll support his policies. >> president obama had this to say about republicans crossing over to vote for democrats this

time. >> a former republican congressman, david jolly just cast his vote, he voted for andrew gillum. he said, the reason is simple, is because i have served with ron desantis. i don't imagine congressman jolly and mayor gillum agree on a lot, but maybe they just like all of us agree that there's some things bigger than politics. and that's on the ballot right now. what kind of politics do we want. >> joining our discussion now, david jolly from florida, jason johnson, politics editor at the root.com, and he joins us from fort lauderdale, florida, and president of the center of american progress and hillary clinton's policy director during the 2008 presidential campaign.

david jol -- jolly what was that like as a way of stimulating the vote for the democratic candidate. that's a first for you? >> it is, and i never thought, lawrence if i was going to be named dropped by a president that i would be excited to hear from president barack obama. but look, what i'll tell you also, president obama's words challenged me when i heard those because, look, it is true and andrew gillum and i don't agree on much, but compared to where the republican is there are issues i am in more agreement with and medicaid expansion, expansion of health care access for all and specifically when it comes to the gun control debate. he might be further left than i would be, but i'd like to see more gun control if the state of florida, particularly coming out of parkland and a shooting last night. lawrence, you can't overlook the contrast in tone. i mean, we are reliving this hope versus fear debate right now. what we heard from president obama compared to the fear we

are hearing from donald trump reflects the broad disparity between the parties right now. we are a better people than the voices we are hearing from republican leadership. ultimately that is why i initially said i cannot vote for anybody that reflects the trumpism of today's republican party but at the same time, look, i'm now a persuadable voter and i see in democratic candidates, including andrew gillum somebody speaks more to who i want us to be as a people, and as a country than any republican voice in leadership told. >> jason johnson, you're in florida, you're taking in all of this campaign action. i would happily play video of president trump campaigning honestly for a candidate or against a candidate if he actually wanted to say something that was true. i would show the video. i can't find any such video. >> yeah, because the president spends most of his time lying and talking about himself and sort of setting up whatever kind of magic pillow he's going to

fall on when republicans lose seats this fall. the biggest thing i have gotten in spending time down here, and this is always what happens when you get a chance to really spend time on the ground is there is some really important just florida issues here that people really care about. i mean, you know, education and teachers haven't gotten raises in a long time. you have a lot of republicans who are environmentalists because so much of florida's economy comes from tourism and they've got issues with red tie, so what ends up happening is when you have a candidate like desantis who's a climate denier like president trump, that bothers a lot of independent voters. that bothers a lot of fishermen, that bothers people who do boat tours. i am a republican but i cannot support republicans who do not believe in climate science since that ises economy in -- that is the economy in florida. there's a lot of complex issues down here. i think this race is a lot closer than people think if they haven't spent time down here, but i don't think desantis is on the right side of the issues i have heard independent voters and some republicans identify

talked to talk about down here. >> nera tanden, as of now, nationwide early voting, 32 million in the last midterm election, 2014, where there was not a presidential candidate on the ballot, that total for early voting was 21 million. it's a really streaking difference. what do you make of it? >> well, there's obviously a dramatic interest in the selection, but i think something that's really important to see in these numbers is we have people who have never voted before not only voting in the midterm but early voting. that means they're coming out because of candidates, so those numbers are hard to see in any poll, you can't really model those voters. there's hundreds of thousands in florida. there's hundreds of thousands in texas. usually people when they vote for the first time, they vote for the first time in a presidential election. it's really unprecedented to have this happen. and i think it's really two

things, i think there are candidates on the ballot who are exciting voters, voters who are less interested in politics. they find a reason to note, not just against desantis, but for andrew gillum and for beto o'rourke and for stacey abrams, but also, look, there's a big indictment of what the president is doing. everything david jolly said is the tone, the tenor, the last week of really hateful ca-- cha on the campaign trail, lie after lie, i also think it's creating a larger counter response in the country. >> and to zoom in on some numbers inside the early voting numbers, the under 30 vote, which is the vote that usually is the least represented, the one where the turnout is the lowest. at this point in 2014, at the last midterm election, the under 30 early voters were less than a

million, 849,000, 876. this year, it's almost triple that, it's 2,347,000. david jolly, what does that tell you that there's this big jump in early voting among voters under 30? >> so let's recognize, this is a great trend. we also have to recognize that there is no other model that we can compare to this, so all of these polls, while we trust them as much as we can, there's no model on which to base this. and i think there's two things to look at. one, we know that tuesday is about donald trump. no question about it. the man has made the last three years about himself and so tuesday necessarily is about the president and donald trump and his leadership. the number i'm looking for, though, which is fairly consistent, regardless of turnout is that if you are a candidate, you have to hold over 90% of your party, generally, to be successful, right, as a congressional candidate, i had to know that republicans, i was going to have 90 to 92% of

republican support if it fell below 90, i was in trouble. i think that's something we're going to be able to look back at after tuesday and measure what was the attrition among republicans. i think the weakness for ron desantis is their internal numbers are probably hovering at 90 or a little low, and why andrew gillum might be the next governor of florida. >> a strange entry into the campaign today, a fundraising e-mail from melania trump, and in that fundraising e-mail she says and of course she didn't write a word of this. that's not the way this is done. professionals wrote it for her, but she allowed them to put her name on it, and it says democrats in the opposition media are doing everything they possibly can to discredit donald with false accusations by spreading their fake news and making it appear that he does not have the support of america's voters. neera, what's your reaction to that? >> i mean, i think we've learned over the last few weeks that

melania really does not have significantly views different than her husband and anything to the contrary are mistaken. but i think the continual attacks on fake news, on the free press, the fact that the president made this outrageous statement that fake news is driving violence in our country, the fact that we're a week past eleven people murdered in a synagogue by somebody who trafficked in the same hateful rhetoric that the president traffics in, around this caravan that's now 950 miles away or something, i think the truth is that the last week has really, i do think there's some indications that independents are breaking against republicans, that there are against republican candidates and there are a number of republicans who are crossing over. we'll see for sure on attitutue. we need everyone to vote. we need everyone to canvas. we need everyone to phone bank.

what's really happening in this country is the divisiveness, the hateful rhetoric, the fact that we had another shooting last night by someone who seems deranged and somewhat politicized by the current debate means that i think people are recoiling in horror and look at tuesday as an opportunity to not only check the president, but create a new direction that repudiates this hatefulness. >> i want to listen again to something president obama said when he was on the campaign trail in florida about why the people who won the last election still seem so angry. >> why is it that the folks that won the last election are so mad all the time? you know, i don't know why. it tells you something interesting. that even the folks who are in charge are still mad. because they're getting ginned

up to be mad. >> david jolly, do you have an answer for that? >> i'm glad you played that. i think that's one of the most perfectly put contexts of todays politics, the fact that republicans won and they're still angry. i know you're going to be interviewing captain sully, and his column put it perfectly. it's because the leader of that movement continues to project that, and he's doing so for his own personal gain and political campaign. it's the reason he stokes fear. he needs an enemy. look, we don't know how tuesday is going to turn out. one of the soft fears i have is in the democratic victory, the president will be handed his foil for the next two years. and the demonization will continue for another 24 months. >> jason johnson, what's your -- what would you offer as a possible answer to president obama's question about why they're so angry? >> because some people have to feel oppressed, and i'm glad the president said this. i have been saying the same thing myself, you control the supreme court, the house, the senate and the presidency, why

are you still bitter. all that winning and suddenly they're just so mad. it doesn't make any sense to me. at its core, it's similar to we saw this from a policy level and a rhetorical level. you hear paul ryan who's one of the smart guys in d.c. saying we didn't realize how hard health care was going to be. it's easy to complain when you're out of power but when you actually have a job to do, it can be really burdensome and frustrating and bothersome. from the president's standpoint, donald trump only oemperates in world where he's oppressed. he can't make things better pause that would cease to be the purpose of his presidency. his entire presidency is a repudiation of a changing america that his supporters don't like. they have to stay angry on a regular_title-page basis. no amount of power will satisfy them. the violence is key that we have seen over the last two weeks. these are men who finally have the icon of bigotry and rage

that they have always wanted in the white house, and rather than that be satisfying to them, it encourages them to be more violent. that says something about the nature of success and the mind set of the modern trump as republican. >> the consensus among pollsters, analysts, speaking to the "new york times" is that the democrat wills pick up 35 house seats. they could pick up more. they obviously could pick up less. what can the democrats do with information like that? is this weekend when they start to make some very last minute decisions about resource deployment in certain districts? >> yeah, i mean, i'll just say one thing about the president stoking anger just to say, i think the president's entire campaign, his entire political life has been trying to make people hate someone else. i think he recognizes that his base is not motivated by hope or happiness. it's motivated by fear and anger, and he has done incredible projection, and it's

really just to drive people who haven't been voting in special elections to actually vote because democrats have been excited to vote. and the reality of the last, the next really 72 hours is we have a lot of house incumbent republicans who are not at 50%. there's like 40, 45 of those who are not at 50% in public pollings. that's usually a bad sign. i think a lot of democrats are well funded. the most important thing is to get out the vote. now it's really about turning out voters in a midterm that is harder than a presidential, so spending the next couple of days trying to get people to vote is what i think all of these candidates are focussed on. >> neera, jayson johnson, david jolly, thank you for starting us out tonight. appreciate it. when we come back, captain sully sullenberger says he feels an obligation to become a defender of democracy. captain sullenberger will join us next. ain sullenberger will jn us next. ♪ when the moon hits your eye ♪

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captain sully sullenberger, after he safely landed a passenger aircraft on the hudson river, saving the lives of all 155 people aboard. he was played by tom hanks in the movie entitled sully, and since then he says he has an obligation to use his celebrated

status for good. and in an op-ed piece this week, he said, i feel that i now have yet another mission as a defender of our democracy. the fabric of our nation is under attack while shame, a timeless beacon of right and wrong seems dead. this is not the america i know and love. we're better than this. joining our discussion now, captain sully sullenberger, this really is an honor to have you here. i greatly appreciate you joining us here on this election special coverage. what moved you to write this op-ed piece? >> how could i not. i felt an intense obligation to act. not just to watch. to put my voice out there, to vote, to try to make a difference. i think that's an obligation each of us has in this critical time. we can't just yell at the tv, we have to do something, we have to vote. >> you say in the piece that for most of your life, you were a

registered republican. >> yes. >> but you always voted as an american. >> absolutely. >> what does voting as an american mean to you now? >> it means not in a partisan fashion, but in a fashion according to our values. in a fashion according to the threat that we're facing. this is not normal. what is happening in this country is not normal. my original title for the op-ed was may day, may day, may day, which of course is the international signal for distress about a grave and imminent threat that requires immediate assistance. i'm as concerned about the state of this nation as i have been in a half century since the turbulent year of 1968, and in some ways, even before that. it's reminiscent in some ways of friday, november 22nd, 1963, and october 1962. i learned from my father, a naval officer in world war ii and in my military service, the

responsibilities, the awesome responsibilities of command that with great authority comes great responsibility. i learned that a leader leads from the front. the leader should be the first to face the threat and the last to safety. not the reverse. a leader leads by example, according to core values that frame one's decision, that serve as guardrails to present ourselves and our organizations from making egregious errors. a leader leads with respect in an environment of mutual respect, where respect must be earned but most important, a leader helps everyone serve a cause greater than themselves. it can't just be inwardly focussed. right now that's not happening. this is one of the greatest threats this nation has faced in my lifetime. >> the things you just cited historically by date were the cuban missile crisis, the

assassination of president kennedy, 1968, chwhich saw the assassination of bobby kennedy. >> the height of the vietnam war. >> 16,000 dead in vietnam that year, american soldiers, the darkest experiences, the darkest experiences of your lifetime and mine. i remember all of those. >> we remember where we were when we first heard about them. >> and you're comparing this period to that kind of darkness. >> that is the threat that we face, and people who know me or have heard me and seen me know that i do not exaggerate, i don't need to. >> i want you to listen to some people like you who have been in their case lifelong republicans, actively working in the republican party to elect republican presidents and other republican candidates and see if you share some of their feelings. let's listen to this. >> the party of trump must be destroyed politically. >> i am urging everybody to vote straight ticket democratic in november because i think it is

imperative to get some checks and balances. >> i left the party about five weeks ago. i think democrats should take the house. i think we'll be safer in a divided government. >> i think it's really important that democrats take over the house and/or the senate. i think that any white house is improved by having a check and a balance. this white house more than any other. >> and those are people, nicole wallace, steve schmidt, who tried to elect john mccain president, they have all worked for the election of republican presidents prior to donald trump getting that nomination. when you hear those people talking, are they speaking to you? is that your experience as a voter? >> they're speaking with me. >> with me. that is my experience. right now, the majority party in the house and the senate are not fulfilling their oath of office. they are not acting as a check and balance. we must replace those who will. >> there's another line that you have in your piece where you say all leaders must take responsibility and have moral

compass grounded in competence, integrity, and concern for the greater good. the moral compass seems to be absent. i can't find it when i look at the republican leadership in washington now. >> if it is there, they're not listening to it. they're not looking at it. >> what do you think, if you could have a moment with the president of the united states, if you could have a minute with him, what would you want to tell him about the way he does his job? >> i don't think he's either capable or willing to change. i think he is remarkably incurious, and doesn't value learning. instead of talking to the current occupant of that office, i'm talking to the american people. i'm saying you are the ultimate check and balance. it is up to us, as i said in my piece.

we cannot wait for someone to rescue us. we must do it ourselves. everyone everywhere must vote in massive numbers. >> your op-ed piece came out after the mass murder in the synagogue in pittsburgh a week ago today. did that have an effect on your sense of urgency about this? >> yes. i had written this piece in its early forms a month ago. i'd been refining it, trying to shorten it since then. but, yes, this is even more of a crisis than it was when i began writing the piece. >> the way we see the president campaigning tonight, as i said earlier in the show, i can't find something he said that's actually honest on the campaign trail, that is truthful, that isn't just utterly false, and so i can't actually, i don't want to present what he's actually saying. and there are people who see that as one sided, and my

approach to it is i'm trying to present what we do here on the side of the truth, and that seems to be a new challenge, the likes of which we have never had, and also for voters to sort out truth has become much more of a challenge than it used to be. >> that's one of my great concerns and that's why i compared it to these historic events. we're not facing nuclear annihilation at the moment but a more pernicious challenge, the break down of the fabric of society and our willingness to agree on the same facts. >> going forward, you intend, i know you don't want to get into specific candidates, but your suggestion to people is you should be voting against the republican control that now controls all of washington. >> yes. as a former republican, i've already voted. and i voted for democrats. >> and how uncomfortable is this

for you? you have lived your life without being public politically, most people do. most people go their entire lifetimes without making a public political statement, and for people who have to do it the first time, i've always noticed that it is uncomfortable and awkward to put it mildly? >> not at all. it's freeing. it's necessary. it's useful. it is my duty. >> would you be able to sit back and watch this process and watch this election process without responding to that sense of duty? a lot of people do. a lot of people feel the way you feel but they don't feel they have a duty to speak publicly. >> i could not let my silence or civility connote acquiescence. >> when we get past this election, do you expect to continue to have a political voice, to continue to raise your

voice at certain points politically or have you even felt your way through what that's going to be like? >> i'll let you know after tuesday. >> okay. we will hear from you when we hear from you on this. captain sullenberger, i can't tell you, this is one of the great honors in the history of this show to have you at this table. i really appreciate you coming in tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you very much. really appreciate it. >> when we come back, we're going to have more numbers from the campaign trail. we're going to get a report from texas on the o'rourke versus ted cruz campaign in texas. thank you very much. hey! alright, let's get going! and you want to make sure to aim it. i'm aiming it. ohhhhhhh! i ordered it for everyone. [laughing] (dad vo) we got the biggest subaru to help bring our family together. i'm just resting my eyes. (dad vo) even though we're generations apart. what a day. i just love those kids. (avo) presenting the all-new three-row subaru ascent.

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and we're back. we are now joined by jennifer reuben, and david jolly. jennifer reuben, we just heard captain sully sullenberger talking about his need to speak publicly to the american people about the need to change leadership in washington. i just want to get your reaction to what you heard captain sullenberger say. >> he was so impressive, wasn't he. he spoke to, i think, our highest aspirations, our highest values and though i read his piece in our paper many times, hearing those words were even more impressive, i think. and i think he got to something which i've tried to communicate to my readers and that is this is really about your values, what kind of country do we want to be, it's certainly about specific issues, health care, education, immigration, but it's something much more fundamental.

it's about whether we want to live in a culture and a political scene which lying passes for truth, in which fear mongering and really hatred and playing to our worst possible impulses is going to prevail or not, and i do feel that there's that sense out there now, perhaps in the wake of the horrible mass murder in pittsburgh, perhaps it's in the wake of the bombings, perhaps it's just a sense that this president keeps going farther and farther, there is no turning back for him. there is no growing up. there is no improvement. and that if we don't take power from him in some way, he will continue to go down this very very dark road. so i think he spoke for a lot of americans and certainly for those of us who have left the republican party, the republican party left them a while back. his words really resonated with me. >> and david jolly, when he was watching that video of you and steve schmidt, and others

talking about the need to push republicans out of power, his reaction to that was to say, yes, that's exactly what he had been feeling and has now finally said. >> it was. you know, it was interesting because coming from politics he was careful in his tones of partisanship, if you will, but i think what was very clear is that what he was saying is that in donald trump we have a president who has abandoned who we are as a people, who we are as a country, who we should be as a country, and to recognize that donald trump has also abandoned an ideology that both have embraced, civility, empathy, common shared interest in humanity, and taking care of people from all walks of life. from my republican colleagues who have held their nose and suggested to look the other way on donald trump because they get health care and taxes, i think

what sully is saying, is listen, civility and empathy and embrace of facts and embrace of american idealism is just as much an ideology as those you might hold in the areas of personal finances and personal health care and national security. that is what donald trump has abandoned, and between the two parties, that has never been in question until this administration. >> jennifer, it's hard to think of an american who knows more about command and being in command and the necessary characteristics of someone in command than captain sullenberger and to hear him in effect give up on the possibility of donald trump ever, ever being able to adapt to the requirements of being in command was quite striking and his suggestion just being that voters have to simply instruct donald trump basically on how to do his job by the way they vote. >> i think that's right. i think he has shed whatever

support that was not part of his core base that he got to go along with him in 2016, and there were lots of reasons that you and i have talked about for why that was, including the fact that hillary clinton was a pretty bad candidate. but i think he is now down to this core base, and they are in this cult like relationship between cult leader and cult followers, and he feeds their anger, he feeds their fear, and they apartly clouplaud him. this vicious cycle is they go out and he pumps them up and they pump him back up. that's not going to change. the solution is to out vote them. i think there are many more people who look unfavorably upon the donald trump that we've now come to see over the past couple of years, and to provide some legal and constitutional checks. i also think what's so very interesting and david was saying this earlier this evening, the differences that i have with democrats these days are so

small compared to the fundamental agreement on what kind of country we want to have. my dear friend bari weiss who have gone through a horrible ordeal. she's frsquirrel hill. her parents were members of squirrel hill. her parents know many of the people who were killed. she said the other night, no policy is worth this, no policy that you could possibly come up with is worth sacrificing the core beliefs of the united states. and i think that's what i come back to again and again. that this is something so much more fundamental than any one particular issue. the rest of the stuff we can negotiate about. if we're operating from a position where we have empathy, where we have respect for truth, where we have respect for the rule of law, we remember our core values, the rest of it is in negotiation. if we're not going to have that common sense of humanity, the common sense of decency, respect for truth, we can't get to those other issues. i look forward to the day where i go back arguing with my

liberal friends about all sorts of things. right now i stand shoulder to shoulder with them because there's something much more fundamental at stake. >> you will y-- you and i will schedule a debate about the tax bracket will be. >> absolutely. >> appreciate it. and coming up, the latest on the senate race in texas and how one group is using president trump's words against ted cruz. z this is actually under your budget. it's great. mm-hmm. yeah, and when you move in, geico could help you save on renters' insurance! man 1: (behind wall) yep, geico helped me with renters insurance, too! um... the walls seem a bit thin... man 2: (behind wall) they are! and craig practices the accordion every night! says the guy who sings karaoke by himself. i'm a very shy singer. you're tone deaf! ehh... should we move on to the next one? it's a great building! you'll love it here! we have mixers every thursday. geico®. it's easy to switch and save on homeowners and renters insurance.

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with two campaign days left, bay toe o -- bay toe o drk ted cruz is at 50%, early voting in texas has already surpassed the total vote turnout from the 2014 midterm election. over 5 million early votes already cast. that's more than all of the votes that were cast in 2014. the nonpartisan political report rates this race now as a toss up. ted cruz has embraced the man who he once called unfit for office and a pathological liar. remember when ted cruz agreed with me about that?

donald trump has endorsed ted cruz, but all texans remember what donald trump's first impression of ted cruz was and the democrats are reminding texans of that. >> i'm donald trump, and i must tell you one thing about ted cruz, i have never ever met a person that lies more than ted cruz. >> one of the great liars of all time. >> and that's why we call him lying ted. he holds the bible high and then he lies. ted cruz, he's taken so much money from so many different people, i mean, he's totally controlled. he's a nasty guy. nobody likes him. nobody in congress likes him. ted cruz is not a truthful person. cruz is the most dishonest guy i think i have met in politics. >> those are not ads from the o'rourke campaign, those negative ads on ted cruz, which are simply donald trump saying what he thinks of ted cruz are from a democratic super pack. here is beto o'rourke's closing argument. >> being defined by our

smallness, our pettiness, our ability to exclude one another from one another's lives, we can meet that by ensuring that never again is a child taken from their parents. immigration laws in our own image, reflecting our experiences, our lives, our families, our communities, making sure that no dreamer fears deportation back to a country, because we desire to make them citizens in this country because they are every bit as american as anyone else. are you all with me on that? >> when we come back, we'll go to texas for more on o'rourke versus cruz. e versus cruz. take your razor, yup. alright, up and down, never side to side, shaquem. you got it? come on, get back. quem, you a second behind your brother, stay focused. can't nobody beat you, can't nobody beat you. hard work baby, it gonna pay off. you got this. with the one hundred and forty-first pick,

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recently, more than $20 million has been spent in the race for superintendent of public instruction to attack my friend tony thurmond's record. well, i've worked with tony, and no one is more qualified to lead our state's schools. that's why tony thurmond is the only candidate endorsed by classroom teachers and the california democratic party. because tony will stand up to the donald trump-betsy devos agenda

and has always protected our local public schools. join me in voting for tony thurmond. let's put our kids first. here's more of beto o'rourke campaigning in texas. >> young mothers with their young children who are fleeing the deadliest countries in the hemisphere doing what any human being would do in the same situation. so meeting that low level of apprehension and that kind of suffering and people trying to lawfully claim asylum with walls with militarization, with fear, with paranoia, that's not us. that's not this country and if the president doesn't get it, then the people of texas do. and on the 6th of november, we will decide future of this country, and it will be a far more positive one. we'll live in the best traditions our values, our

interests, in a way that's simply not reflected in the rhetoric from the president right now. >> joining us now from austin, texas, is oscar sylvan, the executive director of battleground, texas, and you are trying to drive turnout for beto o'rourke to the polls and the polls indicate that this is going to come down to turnout. it's close enough now that it sometimes like it's going to come down to turnout. >> it's great to be with you today, and yes, you know, the turnout in this election in texas is unlike anything i have seen before. it's very exciting and although anybody who tells you that they know exactly what's going to happen in texas would be lying to you. what the numbers are showing is that it's an optimistic narrative for texas democrats up and down the ballot. >> and with just two campaign days left, does the o'rourke campaign have a plan that is designed for tuesday's turnout specifically? >> well, let me tell you this,

lawrence, as you mentioned earlier, the turnout in texas is record breaking with around 5 million texans having already voted and the strategies that the beto campaign, as well as battle ground texas and a lot of texas democratic organizations are rolling out are really featuring turning out young voters, latinex voters, women, and we're seeing that reflected in the numbers. in fact, just as early vote closes last night, we were able to see the surge in first time voters in texas was bigger than any other state in the country. if you narrow that down a little bit more, you can see that voters who voted for the first time in texas who are 30 years and younger are a lot larger in number than all the voters who are first time voters in any other state. that's including california. breaking that, you know, much more, you see that older voters have outvoted younger voters ten to one historically. in texas we're seeing that drop down three to one and the young voters still surging.

>> the o'rourke campaign, and beto o'rourke careful not to do negative campaigning. he does not have ads that go specifically at ted cruz in an atta attack way. it's a pac that has put the ad of donald trump saying these things about ted cruz, in another campaign, you might call that a negative ad because it's negative about ted cruz, but it's the guy who endorsed ted cruz saying negative things about ted cruz. i don't know what you call that ad. i want to clarify for the audience, whatever you call it, it's not from the o'rourke campaign, how is that kind of ad playing in texas. we have all been expecting it to happen that they be running what donald trump used to say about his now friend ted cruz. >> well, lawrence, it's no secret in texas that ted cruz polls very low. the truth in texas is that, you know, there is a trump factor and everything that comes with it. however, texas has had trump

like leadership for a very long time. we currently have attorney general ken paxton with, you know, he's sitting attorney general and he's under indictment for multiple felonies. we have governor greg abbott, lieutenant governor, patrick, who have been enemies in attacking the latino community. when all these folks are up for reelection, the hispanic community which is the largest minority group in texas is more energized and more organized than ever before. and it's turning out, in fact, hispanics in texas have turned out by a larger margin than any other ethnic group in the state. >> oscar silva, thank you very much for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. apprecia. >> thank you >> we'll be right back fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.

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tonight's last word goes to captain sully sullenberger who told us tonight he has already cast his votes in this election for democrats. >> if you could have a moment with the president of the united states, if you could have a minute him, what would you want to tell him about the way he does his job? >> i don't think he's either capable or willing to change. i think he is remarkably incurious and doesn't value learning. instead of talking to the current occupant of that office, i'm talking to the american people. i'm saying you are the ultimate

check and balance. it is up to us as i said in my piece, we cannot wait for someone to rescue us. we must do it ourselves. everyone everywhere must vote in massive numbers. >> i'll be back on monday night at 10:00 p.m. with the last word,