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my thanks to jennifer and mike and also the reverend. you're awesome for doing this. that does it for this hour. "mtp daily" starts right now. chuck, this midterm election week, we were together tuesday night, we talk politics all the time. but this is a more important question. this is the 25th anniversary of two great seminole records. wu tang clang? >> yeah, wu tang clank. you don't like that answer. melber will have a much stronger opinion than i will. if it is friday, did you say
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over? nothing over until broward county says it is. ♪ good evening. i'm chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily." we're still counting votes and the president is stoking a cold civil war because of it. democrats have closed the margin in the florida senate case to 0.2%. and that could trigger a hand recount. and they already have a hand recount likely for the state's ag commission race. they have closed the margin for florida governor, too, that could trigger a machine recount. democrats have tighten the margin in georgia gorsuch ain g and that could trigger a runoff. and in every case president trump is suggesting without evidence that democrats are making these gains because of fraud.
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>> but you notice the votes never go the other way. they hire lawyers and the votes don't seem to go the republican way. although i hear -- >> do you have evidence -- >> you tell me. it is always the democrats. >> there he goes again. florida is a disgrace for the president and embarrassment to democracy. he says suspiciously finding votes in georgia and there should be a do-over in arizona. what would we say if the leader of a foreign country acted this way as votes are being counted? nowhere is the war over the legitimacy of the final votes whatever it may be more significant than in florida. because it is the gateway to 2020. perhaps knowing this, president trump has spent the better part of the day while flying over the atlantic lashing out at florida at his party's leads dwindle. he says democrats are trying to rig the vote. and florida's republican senate candidate rick scott is making the same claims of voter fraud
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without evidence. and those allegations are made more toxic because scott is currently florida's governor and his political appoint yooee man the state's elections. >> they are down here for one purpose, to steal this election. every floridian should be concerned there may be rampant fraud happening in palm beach and broward counties. i will not sit idly by while unethical liberals try to steal this election. >> and he also used his power to demand the state investigate broward county, but it has so far resisted that demand. that the point there is no evidence of fraud. but there is plenty of received of incompetence. a judge this afternoon sided with governor scott and the gop that broward is in swri lags in disclosure laws and they must turnover relevant records tonight. this will have tremendous
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consequences. i'm joined by my go-to guru for all things florida, mark caputo. and also with me is gene robinson, and also michael stee steele, and mr. caputo, we will start with you. what the heck is going on in broward county and do we know how many ballots total there are in broward county to be counted? >> no, we don't. and in fact like "the miami herald" reporter just tweeted, that i hair, we were told yesterday that all the early in person votes had been tallied and then they found out today, oh, actually no, not all the early in person votes have been tallied, there is tens more.
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what? the thing with broward county, you have to understand that that elections office is kind of like participating in alice in wonderland and it becomes nonsensical. elections are about records management. cloblging who comes in, tracking who comes in, tracking who comes out. you can follow elections almost in we'real time. but for some reason in broward county, that doesn't seem to happen and as a result, no one really knows how many ballots are still out there. nobody does they how many provisional ballots are coming in. so it is in flux. >> governor scott used some s surprising last, steal, fraud. it seemed to be pretty highly charged partisan rhetoric. obviously it seems as if this is about trying to create frankly
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the most partisan atmosphere you can have so it becomes a war between red and blue? >> you know, it kind of reminds me of being at a grocery store and if you have something in your cart, if someone takes it out, are they really stealing it? the votes haven't been counted yet, so you can't have it stolen because you don't know who the winner is. and scott suggested that the florida department of law enforcement investigate fraud. and there where no allegations of fraud. and they called the department of state which scott oversees and they told them there is no allegations of fraud. so the governor makes this comment about fraud. and then says the flee should investigate it and then they make call to say his own agency and they have no allegations to investigate. this gets back to the al lisz in oin
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-- alice in wonderland mn won r metaphor. >> and let me play what the president said this morning before he got on his plane to paris. >> if you look at the person, in this case a woman involved, she hassed a a horrible history. and all of a sudden they are finding votes out of nowhere and rick scott who won by, you know, it was close, but he won by a comfortable margin, every couple of hours it goes down a little bit. what is going on in florida is a as c a disgrace. >> and he's used the buzz words of big corruption does an dalg, election fraud, blame the russian, election stealing, embears rag to oar rassing to o. and he is stirring his people. >> absolutely. and this is the problem when you have an election system that has
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as many problems as we've seen in florida. people i've talked to says that it is mass incompetence. and it is really tough to see how people can have faith that their votes are being counted and cared for. so this is the exact situation where the president can come in and really stir up a lot of conspiracy theories and other fear about the election system to try to discredit this. and it is really dangerous. >> and michael, it does seem that basically obviously the two parties will look at this and find whatever benefits them. >> of course. look, perception becomes reality. this at least smells of skull duggerry. and with the democrats lawyering up, republicans lawyering up, there is going to be determined in the courts and worked out in the proper fashion, but the perception, the race to define what has happened for your own supporters and for the broader public, is on.
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>> it feels like a race to define the perception, not the facts. >> and as one would predict, the candidate who is ahead right now is claiming victory and says stop basically. >> of course. whoever is said -- exactly. >> and these elections are very close. and so given this confusion and this incompetence, half the state is not going to trust the outcome, whatever the outcome. half the country is not going to trust the outcome, whatever happens. >> and i was going to say given the fact that these races are so close and the florida races are always close, where was rick scott before when it was time to do the reforms necessary to prevent this from happening? >> because he was like governor maybe? >> here is what i didn't get. i get what governor scott was doing politically. but it felt two or three days too soon. and they seem to go immediately to partisan war. and i talked to somebody close
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to him who said that the democrats hired mark elias, so that's why they did it. it seems as if this is devolving fast. >> well, i think what you are also seeing is the republican party flexing its plus sell mus florida after 2018. this is the senate race that rick scott was not only losing in the poll, this was a race that ron desantis was supposed to lose to andrew gillum. this was the election that there was supposed to be a big blue wave and they didn't see it. so you had mentioned about president trump kind of striking a fear in the hearts of a lot of people. he sees florida's election results as a huge win for him. and he won and his people won through embracing trumpism. and so what do you do after you appear to have won and people are challenging the results or not letting you crown yourself early. you flex and you huff and you puff and that's what they where doing. and i expect this is just a warm
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july to what we'll s up to what we'll see the next two years. >> i was going to say, this is the first battle not 20 fight. >> and remember the candidate that is declared the winner on election night has momentum. rick scott is trying to deekeep momentum. he was the apparent winner. >> we never declared him and we were like it isn't out of the range do it. the only reason we declared florida governor is gillum conceded. had he not, we never would have called it. it is too close for us to call. even right now. >> but if you have the momentum, you are not going to wait for the foot soldiers. you stay on offense. >> and i picture a crazy scenario where the ag commission race says it will get a hand recount and they do that, and then the senate race does a hand
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recount and they do that separately. and god only knows if the governor's race ends up dipping into the hand recount territory. are we really going to three separate recounts so will xcommn sense prevail? >> no, we're probably on pace for two recounts, one manual and three legislative recounts. so we really have six recounts that we're scheming toward in florida. and that will be announced on saturday if the margins remain as they are. >> where are we in the governor's race? andrew guiillum, will he pull h concession? >> he will if the final recount show that's has the opportunity to win. but heading into a recount, if takes half takes -- it is half a percent which is the trigger for a recount, he can say no, i don't want a recount. i'd be shocked if he says no, i don't want a recount.
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in fact gillum said the other day that i want all the votes counted. what that means is i'm just going to stick around and see if i can delay my death penalty by a last chance appeal. >> backing down here? he would end his own political career. >> exactly. it would seem like a be twral to t -- be twral trayal to the mill that voted for him. and keep in mind we've gone through close elections. we know that recounts as a rule generally don't change all that many votes. we are talking about florida. we are talking about broward county. and we don't know even how many votes are left to be counted initially. so it could be that even going into the recount the situation looks different from what it looks now. but if it is what it is now, you
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would say that odds are that desantis and scott end up winning. but let's see. >> i'm just picturing the mechanics. you remember the images from 2000 with thehanging chads. and i'm picturing them doing it three times in a row. this is my recount, pass it on to you. insanity. >> and real quick here, that guy with the magnifying glass, he was one of the broward county canvasser, just so you know. >> that's right. it always comes back to broward. let me ask you this. is it going to take the courts valid? >> not before we started counting. they just finished a conference call with a judge hearing a legal challenge from senator nelson's campaign trying to force county elections boards to
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accept vote by mail ballots and provisional ballots that are being reject for the signatures not matching the signatures on file. the judge was asked by nelson's folks to rule by tomorrow by tomorrow by noon unofficial results are supposed to be in. but the judge indicated that it will be okay, he might make a ruling or have a hearing on wednesday. and at that point he will decide or perhaps a little after if those provisional ballots that have been tossed get added back into the mix. if that happen, that changes the totals and who knows. it might change not only a final bottom line total which i doubt, it could change though the margins and therefore trigger various types of recounts that might not have existed before. >> and you're shaking your head. >> at the end of the day, yes, multiple recounts that does sound crazy. but what will voters have more trust in, recounting several times or having the courts or
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some other action stop counting or having some provisional ballots thrown out while others are not? it seems that that -- we should encourage the count as opposed to ken urencouraging methods ju end this. >> and what is interesting, house of representatives has final oversight over congressional elections. but the u.s. senate does not have any oversight over senate elections? >> i believe that's correct. that is one of the oddities. >> if these were house races, you'd have nancy pelosi in charge of the recount potentially or paul ryan. i don't know which one. >> and it would end quickly. all right, mark, sorry you don't get a weekend, man. >> yeah, florida after an election, this is the ls is the chose. >> i'm trying to defend my home state, but it has been difficult. good luck, brother. up ahead, the growing bipartisan concern about the mueller probe and the growing calls for the new acting attorney general it recuse himself. e new acting
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they make comment. >> that was this morning at the white house. and it appears whitaker agrees. according to the "washington post," he has no intention to recuse himself. it is possible he has consulted with legal experts. we say possible because recommendations from the department's ethics office aren't made public. we would only find out during congressional investigation. we have our legal analyst joining us. and he makes the case where it is probably too late to stop mueller in a new piece in the atlantic. welcome back. >> good to see you. >> so does matthew whitaker need to recuse himself? in your understanding of how the ethics office would, would, do you assume that they would make a recommendation for recusal? >> so i don't know of any previous attorney general or senior law enforcement official
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who has an extensive record of comments on a particular case criticizing the particular investigation and, by the way, who ran the campaign of a witness in that investigation who has not been expected to recuse. i would never say this situatir. what it do he mand it demands i advice of the professionals. i think the likely result would be a recommendation to recuse. >> regardless whether he takes that recommendation or he didn't, and i was told we wouldn't find out until he ever testified in front of capitol hill. you assume somebody will drag him in there unless they get rid of him. but you say it didn't matter. explain why you say the mueller probe is too far along to stop it. >> first of all, bob mueller has
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been verystrategically smart in spreading pieces around the different parts of the department. for example the "wall street journal" had a major story about the michael cohen investigation. that is not bob mueller. the last -- >> district of new york. >> and the last two indictments that we saw on russia-related campaign interference, mariia butina, and helena, both not bob mueller. so you actually can't fire your way out of this problem if you are the president. and so that is reason number one. reason number two is that, you know, squelching an investigation in its crib is one thing. squelching an investigation that is very far advanced and that has gotten guilty pleas and has a bunch of cooperating witnesses and even according to a lot of reporting is writing its final
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report, what you are really talking about is squelching a report. and that is going -- if you try to do that, it is going to sit there and sit there and haunt you and haunt you and haunt you. the political uproar about what is in that report that you are squelching eventually congress will get it. >> and at this point with the democrats in charge of the house, they have plenty of subpoena power. >> so i think eventually you will lose that fights. >> is it possible that whitaker is there just to be trump's eyes and ears? >> sure. it is possible that his major role will be that of somebody who feeds information about the investigation to the white house. that would be monumentally inappropriate if you play that role, but it is possible. look, it is also possible that he will get briefed on this investigation.
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he has sworn an oath of office to he preserve and protect the constitution. and that is disciplining. and he's said a lot -- you can be a crazy conspiracy theorist on cnn, of course not on msnbc, but on cnn, you can do in a, but then you go into government and your role is a little different. so i do hold out possibility that that could be something we see. and i've never heard a particular set of admiring words about his service as u.s. attorney. on the other hand, he was not a lawless individual. and so i think that there is reason to -- you know, i don't know if he deserves the benefit of the doubt given the set of thi things that he said and his conduct so far, but i do think that we should at least consider
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the possibility that he may rise to the occasion. >> and that's what i've been telling people, wait to see what he does before assuming the worst. jeff flake says that he and chris coons, he plans on bringing up their bill that would supposedly protect mueller. mitch mcconnell said something going that he will be a very, very short term acting attorney general, we expect that. is that mcconnell's way of saying i don't want to bring this to the floor? >> i think that may be mcconnell's way of signaling to the president that you need to nominate someone for this position. look, the important of the mueller protection legislation is not whether it passes or not. trump r tru trump will for the fail to act against mueller. the point is the signalling of seriousness about this matter by coop. a -- congress. and if they signal that will he
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with act, that is a constraint on the president. the willingness to pass it is much more importance than the significance of the legislation itself. >> all right. ben, you have a george conway piece. he writes with a lot of people. >> but his first public writing was a law fair. >> and that piece about the constitutionality of the mueller probe. very interesting. thanks very much. up ahead, do democrats have a policy program? why are so many avoiding questions about whether they should be the next speaker of the house? tickets or a new snowboard. matt: whoo! whoo! jen: but that all changed when we bought a house. matt: voilà! jen: matt started turning into his dad. matt: mm. that's some good mulch. ♪ i'm awake. but it was pretty nifty when jen showed me how easy it was to protect our home and auto with progressive. [ wrapper crinkling ] get this butterscotch out of here. progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents. there's quite a bit of work,
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xwloxwlogrow. and a lot won by calling to a change in leadership. but knanancy pelosi is still unopposed. eight oppose her. and three more vaguely say they want new leadership. 30 have avoided answering questions all together. that leaves pelosi little room for err. and i'm joined right now by abigail spanburger who defeated a freedom caucus congressman. congratulations. >> thank you very much. thank you for having me. >> and i got to ask this way,
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how do you attribute your victory in a district that while certainly there is some suburban blue dots when things started, it is a pretty, you know, a lean red district. what is your explanation? >> so we started this campaign getting out in the community, talking to people, having conversations in dining rooms across the district and i attribute the victory that it was talking to voters about the issues most important to them. and really listening to people. and talking about their personal story, their policy concerns and answering questions and showing up and being present in a way that the voters in our district really truly want their representative to be. >> what do you believer tu you mandate is that you have from
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your constituents and the expectation assuming you run for re-election, it is rare that somebody doesn't after one term, so assuming you do, what is the accomplishment you need to have in your mind to take back to your constituents to say i deserve this re-election? >> so my mandate is a couple things. it is to continue being brent in the district, to continue to be accountable, to be accessible through town halls and other engageme engagements. but it is also focusing on getting things done. my mandate is to work with people across party lines to focus on the issues that are important to the people in this district. the top of mind issue is health care and the costprices, but people are concerned about other aspects of health care, access issue, concerned about educational issues, job and economic issues.
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career and technical training and also infrastructure issues such as broadband internet. >> what is it that dave bratt failed to do? search people who vo certainly people who voted for him said i'm not doing that anymore. how did he lose those voters and what lesson do you take away from it is this. >> i think that we were able to win over vote ertz by talking about bringing civility afterwaand efforts to try to bring back to government. focused on what i wanted to achieve. and search contracertainly cont my opponent in that way. but it was really policy based. and i showed up across the district and i made a commitment to voters that i'm going to be a representative to those who
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elected me and those who did not vote for me. >> you have been criystal clear you are not vague on the views on the speaker slip. you said i won't vote for nancy pelosi under her any circumstances. and i won't abstain for a vote. i'm curious, has anybody else not named nancy pelosi a democrat reached out to you to see if you would support them for speaker? >> i don't yet know who i would be supporting to speaker of the house. i don't know what noyet know wh be cha be challenging her. >> is there anything nancy pelosi could say to change your mind? >> i think we need new voices. it has been a source of concern
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for my many constitueconstituen address the issue that are the mandate issues that september me -- sent me to washington. i've spoken clearly about my stance and i don't intend to change that stance. >> it looks like she will have the votes. so that is tough to separate. many democrats have ride to do what you did and it didn't work. how can you somehow keep your distance fromride to do what you did and it didn't work. how can you somehow keep your distance from a party? >> i don't think it is an issue of trying to keep distance. i have a tremendous amount of respect for leader pelosi and all that she has done. but my goal and my position on what the speaker ship 1450 look lilook -- should look like is a different thing. so it is not an issue of trying to distance myself, but an issue of my giving my opinion and
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casting a vote on who i think would be best to lead the house of representatives in this next congress. >> i'm curious what you thought of fact that many people came to the polls and we asked them questions about the mueller probe for instance. and a plurality said they disapproved of it. only 41% approved of it. are you concerned that democrats will do too much investigating of the president or do you think some account aability is necessary? >> i think congress as you well know, they have the role of legislating in a way that positively impacts our community and certainly my district has since me to washington to focus on variety of the issues that are important. and congress of course also has an oversight function and in-it is important where appropriate congress execute and take action on its oversight function. but i'm really focused on
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getting ready to follow the mandates of my voters and focus on where it is that i can find real solutions, how it is that i can address on the legislative side some of the issues that are most important to people and those are issues evof health ca and education and jobs and economic growth. >> all right. i'll leave it there. the new democrat from virginia. richmond lnl to t almosmond alm districts. so thanks for coming on. >> thank you very much. up ahead, have you heard the one about the governor, the senator and the congressman? they might all want to be president. e president. brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain
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>> welcome back. a congressman, a governor and a senator get awfully close to testings presidential waters. let's start with eric swalwell. >> we can stop, you know, the president's priorities. >> he's made the rounds on cable news and this weekend, he is headed to iowa. again. >> i have hope for iowa and i have hope for america. >> and he is spending the day in des moines. it is just days after politico reported that he wants to run for president.
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and he responded -- no news to report, yet. but the travel schedule obvious obvious obviously suggests otherwise. and on to steve bullock, sou sounding like a presidential candidate. >> i'll talk to folks. >> always starts with listening. and finally, kirsten gillibrand. >> i will give it a long hard thought of considering. >> that is a big departure from before elections. but if she noinsannounces, all headlines will fade away. or will sfle we'they? we'll be back with more are on the rates still uncalled. e are n the rates still uncalled in a divided nation...
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time for the lid. we've talked about the senate races. but we still have 11 uncalled house races. five in california and six more spread around the country. all 11 seats are currently held by republicans. and democrats are leading in 5 of those 11. frankly, i think five is sort of the floor of what they win here. they could get up to seven when you look at those districts. panel is back. michael, at 35 seats, with a popular vote spread in the house of close to seven points now, that is bigger than the 2010 republican popular vote. >> and we had 63 pick up. >> but the same seven point spread nationally got you double the seats. >> it is a very, very different country. and they won a different way. they weren't winning these affluent suburban districts in
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'06. they were getting pro-life, pro gun candidates to run. >> which made it more vulnerable this time. i think this is a durable -- it may seem like a semi narrow re 15 or 16 back, depending on what the number is. they have to go with trump at the top of the ticket. >> on the ground the game and the travel is different. running good candidates in the right place is important. now have you an increasingly polarized nation. you have suburbs becoming increasingly important because of women and people of color. you have a different nation with trump at the top really driving up turnout but driving voters to their corners as well. >> you have the great polarizer as president of the united states. so that's why as long as he is president, i think this is durable. because people have gone to their corners and they ain't coming out. >> i want to go to ab game
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spamberger there. because she in one of the few districts that they won that is a half-and-half. it's those half-and-halfs, there is not many swing districts left. i think this is probably a pureer swing district maybe than we have in the trump era. because of the way trump polarizes. navigating pelosi. what did you make of her answers? >> i thought one she didn't clearly answer the question about what she's having these conversations temperatures problem is that there is not going to be a strong alternative to pelosi because the next generation of democratic talent in the house has gone elsewhere. chris van holland to the separate. joe crawley lost his primary. i think she will probably get there by default but that's going to require a lot of people that publicly suggested they will not to do so that will continue to be poisonous in a lot of these drivenlths honestly, absent david bratt
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being so pug nacious and disagreeable. i think a regular republican, not a freedom caucus guy. not the guy that knocked off eric canter. >> can a republican get there? >> you how do you get there? those regular republicans were the first ones to lose on tuesday night. >> that's one of the most paperful things of a wave election. democrats will tell you. >> you lose your centrists, we lost some really great members. >> look who you are left with? >> some entertaining personalities. but we've also got a base to grow only as you said this is only a 15 or 16 so flip to get back into the majority. >> that is a much less deep hole than we climbed out of in '94 or 2010. >> leader pelosi feels very confident she is going to be speaker. how is she managing this so far? >> i think pretty well so far. yes, there is not a lot of
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talent that's going to be enough to get the 218 that you need to oust her. she knows that. i also think there is an increasingly big understanding that trump is going after the house and they need somebody at the top who is able to not only fight back against him but manage the caucus and i can't think of anybody in this moment who is better. >> if you look at the network exit polls, her fave unfavorite is 256. she is more popular than donald trump. >> she is way under water. >> that's a top thing, at least the next year, it's not going to be the 35,000 people rung for president. it will be nancy pelosi for a while. >> right. >> and look, her strength is behind the scenes. her own people will say that. they hate when we have all these conversations and some get angry about it, irrationally so. in her office, but as a public face, i think that where the president will force these
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confrontations. >> and i think that's a problem for the party. it is. i assume she will send selected committee chairman and chair women out you know into make, to be the public face when she can. but in the end, i think it's going to come down to speaker nancy pelosi who is very, very good at that job. she's good at managing that caucus. >> does anybody think it's not pelosi and clyburn, one two, three again in. >> i tell you the one most excited of being nancy pelosi is donald j. trump. >> bill clinton ran against future gingrich. >> leadership had to find a way to bring in the new, young and energetic blood. >> putting them in the knob 4 slot is not the way to do it? >> a real leadership spot or else they're going to be in trouble. >> thank you. finally here. friday, made it go. get some sleep. thank you all the up ahead the tale of the railcar. you all thee tale of the railcar.
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it happened at the 11th hour, the 11th day of the 11ing month exactly 100 years ago this weekend, not at versailles but inside a humble railcar. this railcar, in the middle of a french forest. in the years following world war i, it became a symbol of peace in france. for adolph hitler it was a sign of weak inside, he then had the railcar brought to germany where it was later destroyed. now a replica of the railcar sits in a museum in that french forest. it's still a symbol of peace once more. angela merkel and french president emanuel macron will visit tomorrow to visit armistice day, two nations one sworn enemies, now allies and the path to that alliance began here 100 years ago ago sunday in this humble rail care in france.
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it's worth following and reading up on that railcar. if you haven't done it. trust me, it's worth your time. that's all for tonight. we'll be back monday and this is the post-mid-term "meet the prels." trust me, don't miss this one but "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. i think you missed the handoff i had at the top of my show? did you? >> not only did we miss it? i was honored by the shoutout. i think we have it in the control room. it's an important conversation. >> i figured it it would be would be. >> take a look. >> enter 36th chamber by mid-knight marauders a tribe called quest. which of those you like better? >> wootang clan, baby. >> chuck todd ain't nothing to mess with. >> you know what, you need to hand this off, melber is going to have a much stronger opinion on this than i will. >> well.
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