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i'm happy she went because i know what it meant to her. the peace in her heart of being able to live there. i wouldn't have wanted her to miss that. >> and that's all for this edition of "dateline friday." we're back again next friday at i just saw something on tv about you being gone since thursday night. i hope you're all right. oh, my god. oh, my god. >> paige, if you get this, please, please call somebody. everybody's worried about you. everybody's looking for you. please let us know you're okay. >> paige was a woman with a premonition. >> she said she knew something bad was going to happen. a couple days later she was missing. >> we found out she had this second life. >> quite obviously it's dangerous. >> she had been playing a risky game. >> that opened up the door to a
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multitude of people we needed to start looking at. >> he was a scam artist. >> correct. >> he was a liar. he was manipulative. >> he had a list of names of whether or not they would have sex. >> could investigators get their man before he struck again. >> i turned around and he was sitting in the dark and he said i'm going to kill you. it's been years since she vanished but few people have for gotten paige in junc the ion, colorado. how could they. the story of this young mother's
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disappearance has long since woven itself into local lore. >> she's a great mother, a great friend. >> reporter: it's a mystery we've been following since it began. and now, as thunderheads darken the high desert sky, finally a trial. >> what he told me is that he knew how to get rid of a body so that nobody could find it. >> he said, "i'm going to kill you" and then he just slapped me repeatedly. >> reporter: finally rumors and gossip would be dispelled or made fact. and the secrets known not only by the guilty but also the shamed would finally be revealed. why so many secrets, whispers, rumors? because in this town, where everybody knows everybody else's business, there were enough potential suspects to fill a minivan. >> did you have anything to do with the disappearance of paige birgfeld? >> no. >> i was put under psychiatric care for the first 48 hours and then sent to jail. >> i did not kill paige. i mean, that's the bottom line. >> reporter: it was late june, 2007, when news of paige birgfeld's disappearance first spread like the morning
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sun. over the mountains, in denver, four hours away, frank birgfeld was driving to his office. the phone rang. >> voice on the phone says, "this is somebody with the mesa county sheriff's office." and he said, "are you paige's dad?" and i said, "yep." and he said, "did you know she's missing?" >> reporter: barbara campbell got the call from her husband, hans, who told her -- >> paige is missing. i was, "what do you mean she's missing?" >> reporter: andrea land got the news in an e-mail. >> it said paige is missing in the subject line. i knew something horrible had to have happened because it didn't make any sense that she would be missing. >> reporter: no way for even a best friend to prepare for such a thing. >> stunningly beautiful. one of those women that was almost a little bit intimidating at first if you were -- you know, you're a more average mom. >> reporter: andrea land and the other young mothers of grand junction could have been forgiven for feeling a little envy. she had the look, the money, the
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big house on the hill, and three attractive kids. but, no, it wasn't like that at all. >> the way she talked, the way she acted, the way she treated you, everything about her was just so wonderful. >> reporter: barbara campbell, andrea, and paige were members of grand junction's "mom's club international." a kind of social and support group for young, stay-at-home mothers. >> woo! there's paige, everybody! >> reporter: once a year they'd throw a "spring fling," a sort of put-on prom for moms. fancy clothes, red carpet entry, even a pretend reporter throwing fashion questions. >> tell us who you're wearing. >> reporter: paige was always the star, of course and this year the party was held at her place, which made it a very special event. >> most of us did not live in a home that large. she was just so down-to-earth and humble about it that once you got over the artwork on the
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walls and how, you know, beautiful a home it was, you almost forgot that you were in this really very high-end home. >> so the winner is, drumroll please, paige birgfeld! >> she was so comfortable hosting people that made it -- it made anybody there feel comfortable. sometimes you meet someone and you just instantly have a good feeling about them. you're gonna be friends with them. it's just gonna be an instant match. that's what i had with paige. >> reporter: and then that call. the sheriff's deputy told the birgfelds that after meeting a friend on the afternoon of thursday, june 28th, 2007, paige simply didn't come home. as they drove from denver to grand junction, paige's parents tried to understand what was happening. >> as we started out, i -- i don't know that i was very tense or i thought of the worse.
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i guess, "gee, i wonder where she is. i hope she's -- but as the drive went on, it became more and more anxious, more and more tight, more and more -- >> and i would be calling the kids on the home phone just saying, "we're gonna be there, you know," and trying to sound reassuring. >> reporter: the kids had just a nanny with them because paige had parted ways with her husband, rob dixon, who'd since moved out of state. still as a single mom with three little kids, paige had her life well in control. due in no small part to her obsessive organizational skills. she ran several small businesses and kept track of every soccer practice and dentist appointment in an old-fashioned, handwritten day-planner. >> i mean, every page was full and crossed referenced and -- >> and she was always with it. and she'd come over to visit, it came in the door right there in front of her. she was always checkin' it, and
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phonin'. >> reporter: overbooked, divorced, three kids. first question, was there a chance paige birgfeld simply walked out on her life? >> we talked about, "boy, sometimes i just wanna run away." and she said, "you know, i never feel that way. i never wanna run away. even if i did run -- want to run away just to get away from here, i would wanna take my kids with me. >> there was no way she would leave without her children. they were her life. >> if she needed to hide, she would've found a way to do it with them. >> reporter: so what then? what happened to paige? her friends, her parents didn't know what to do or where to look. maybe a clue could be found tucked away in her day planner. except it too was missing.
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>> coming up -- police pieced together the hours leading up to paige's disappearance. >> i'm at the corner of 23 and logos and there's a car on fire in the parking lotte building right here. >> one encounter grabs their attention. >> we found out she was visiting her ex-husband. >> when "dateline" continues. n s ♪ ♪ you... keep doing you. we'll take care of medicare part d. by helping you save up to five dollars on each prescription, and with free one-on-one pharmacy support, we've filled over 2 billion prescriptions and counting.
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>> we found out that she had been at eagle visiting her ex-husband and they had been reconciling at that point. >> reporter: but he, having been the last person known to have seen her, i suppose would be a person of interest in your -- >> yes, obviously he was a person of interest. >> reporter: this person of interest, rob beigler, was paige's first ex-husband. they married right out of high school. young, immature, and soon, divorced. but funny how this works. ten years had sanded off their sharp-edged disputes, and they saw anew why they fell in love. >> it seemed like as if no time had passed at all. >> reporter: this is ron beigler, talking to a "dateline" producer soon after paige's disappearance. >> at what point did you start to rekindle your relationship? >> about six months ago. we tried to take it slow, but there was -- there was no denying that -- that it was just as it was before. >> reporter: problem was biegler lived in denver, a four-hour drive east. so the two lovers would often
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meet at some midway point. on the day of paige's disappearance they chose eagle, colorado. >> we were going to have a picnic and hang out together, all day. we went to subway and brought it back to where we were sitting outside down by the river. it was very familiar. and, you know, i brought some pictures, you know? and we just sat there and relaxed and enjoyed the day and the weather. i mean, it was a special wonderful day. >> reporter: and then, around 7:00 p.m. they kissed and said goodbye and drove back to their respective sides of the state. two hours later, at 8:57 p.m. paige called biegler. >> to see if i made it back into denver. and then we had a brief conversation. >> reporter: paige told biegler she wasn't home yet. she was stuck behind a bad traffic accident in grand junction. and indeed, investigators confirmed there was a fatal traffic accident right here at this intersection. somebody saw paige's car here, too, that very evening.
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thing is, this is five miles past her house. why was she here? an hour later, 9:56 p.m., paige's 8-year-old daughter, jess, left this anxious voice mail message on her mother's cell phone. >> hi, mom, it's me, i was just wondering when you would get home. love you, bye. >> reporter: no response. her daughter waited, worried, and called again. >> hi, mom, i was just wondering when you were gonna get home. bye. >> reporter: they slept then. best they could. all three children. and awoke the next day, friday, june 29th to a whole new kind of anxiety. she still wasn't home. >> hi, mom, you said you would be back last night and you're not even back today. bye. >> reporter: something in the pit of the stomach. paige's old, and new love, ron beigler, seemed to feel it, too. >> hi, where are you?
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call me if you get a chance. i'm getting worried about you. >> reporter: and, hour by hour, they piled up. phone messages. like a normal day. >> hi, paige, laura just wanted me to give you a call and let you know -- >> hi, this is sears repair service for the fan, calling to let you know -- >> hi, paige, it's kevin from performance pool. curious if your pool cleared up. please give me a call. thank you. >> reporter: not a single call was returned. and, that night, again, the children, with their nanny, waited in vain for their mother. the following day, saturday, june 30th. ron beigler called the house and spoke to paige's 8-year old daughter, jess. >> she didn't sound particularly that distraught. i don't think she had an idea what was going on. of course she didn't. >> reporter: beigler's next call was to 911. >> dispatch, this is clint. >> yes. i needed to talk about a missing person emergency. >> okay, and who is missing? >> her name is paige dixon. >> how old is paige?
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>> she's 33. >> okay. >> she hasn't been home all -- all night thursday night, all day yesterday, and today. something is definitely, definitely wrong. she either got abducted or in an accident. >> reporter: and that's when word of paige's disappearance began to spread across colorado. investigators didn't have a clue what happened to paige. but they wondered if beigler did. >> have police questioned you? >> yes, they have. >> and have they released you as a, you know, a potential suspect or -- >> i don't know what they -- what they've done on that. i know that i -- that was never a concern or worry of mine having it get pinned on me, you know? >> reporter: you have an alibi for that night? >> just i'm confident that the police know that i had nothing to do with it. >> reporter: do you feel like you have any thoughts as to what may have happened or what's happening? >> i think it was a major premeditated abduction or a completely random incident.
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i think that it's more likely that it's a premeditated abduction. >> reporter: but sometimes those not asking questions find answers. it was the third day. sunday, july 1st, 2007. 9:58 p.m. a woman driving home from work, slammed on her brakes, called 911. >> 911, this is dusty, where's your emergency? >> hi. i'm at the corner of 23 and logos. and there is a car on fire in the parking lot at the building right here. >> there is a car on fire? >> yeah. >> do you see flames or smoke? >> yeah. there's -- there's a lot of flames. >> comes up -- >> paige's car. what will it reveal? >> more intense on the driver's side. >> then something else belonging to paige. >> it was an awful feeling of dread thinking how did this get here? what does it mean? >> either paige's abductor tried to throw them off track or -- >> either in the trunk of a car
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or threw these items out to leave a trail. >> when "dateline" continues.
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[ sirens ] >> reporter: sunday night, the 1st of july, the grand junction fire department was called to an industrial parking lot. a little red car was on fire. frank birgfeld heard about the fire the morning after roared over there and could do nothing except watch from a distance as
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investigators crawled over his daughter's car. and that morning, frank gave the first of what would be many, many interviews. >> we were hopeful when we found the car things would fall into place and maybe they will. >> reporter: this interview, though, was one frank just couldn't get through. >> you know it occurred to me that i haven't cried in a long time. i've learned how to do that. that's it. >> reporter: firefighter robert thomason helped with the arson investigation. >> you can see that the glass itself was all burned out and you can see where it's still kind of intact over here. it was really obvious to see that more intense was on the driver's side. >> reporter: meaning that's where the fire started. that's where the arsonist wanted to be sure to erase evidence. under the car, damaged skid plates and strands of wild grass caught in the suspension, meaning somebody had driven off
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road very recently. and after? dumped and torched the car in an industrial area just a quarter mile from where paige made her last phone call. >> it was way beyond her house, right? >> correct. >> didn't fit for the car to be there. >> reporter: news of the car fire was a turning point. no longer did the public suspect this was a case of an overwhelmed, runaway mom. the response was an outpouring of volunteers, a spontaneous community project to find paige. >> just seeing the dad on tv and everything like that, i have some children of my own and i know what i'd be feeling like if one of my children was gone and i just wanted to try to help if i could. >> reporter: paige's dad was there every day greeting a small army of volunteers. >> thanks for helping us. >> you know it's just really tough you know for people to give of themselves to that degree. i just -- [ sighs ] >> one of our moms was gone. and her kids needed her, and we needed our friend.
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and our kids needed to know that if someone's mom is missing, that people are gonna work hard to find her. >> reporter: paige's brother and his wife came from seattle to help. >> the thing is i know that somebody out there knows where she is, and you know we're looking for clues to find that person, but there's somebody maybe who's watching this who knows where she is. i'm dara brown. president trump is joining dozens of other world leaders this hour marking armistice day on 100th anniversary of the end of world war i. the president later today will visit a cemetery in paris where soldiers from world war i are buried. his chief of staff john kelley and the general of joint chiefs
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staff attended in his place. president trump is there. we're joined by nbc's white house correspondent kristen welker who is live in paris. good morning to you. >> reporter: hi, dara. good morning to you. this has already been a day of pomp and ceremony here in paris. and it has not been without its headlines. so far president trump, while arriving at this ceremony to mark the 100th anniversary to the end of world war i was greeted by a protester who ran out, got close to his motorcade a topless protester. police were quick to detain her. he then arrived, greeted president macron and also had a very brief hand shake with president putin. of course, all eyes on his interactions with president putin. the white house said he's not expected to have an official
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meeting with putin during this weekend, rather he's going to have a bilateral meeting at a later summit, the g to summit. we're watching very closely to see whether these two leaders do have a morrow bust interaction. right now the focus is on these nearly 80 world leaders gathered to mark this occasion. it will be a solemn day. they are paying tribute to those who gave their lives for this long standing peace along allies. this visit so far, dara, has not been without controversy. president trump missed a planned visit to a ceremony yesterday where american soldiers were buried. the white house saying because of the weather created security concerns. but he got some criticism for that. he got some criticism because when he touched down here in paris he criticize president macron for suggesting europe should of its own military. the two leaders tried to tap down tensions yemd when they had a bilateral meeting but that got
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a lot of headlines as well. if you take a look at the media here in paris throughout europe they've described it as an american president who has felt to some extent on the sidelines of this very momentous weekend in paris here. right now, again, history unfolding as president trump joins these dozens of other world leaders to mark armistice days as the rest of the day plays out. once this ceremony is over he'll have lunch with the other world leaders and then he'll head to another cemetery where american soldiers are buried and then he heads home. he's not attending a peace forum here which will be hosted by president macron and that has roiled a number of people. this is a peace forum. i spoke to one foreign policy expert and it will be perceived the president is not to used on
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the key goal of peace. the pomp, circumstance, politics playing out in paris. >> you touched upon yesterday where the president was unable to visit that cemetery. who was surrounding that? what was the driving force for the president not to drive out to that cemetery? >> reporter: the official reason from the white house was that it was raining here. it was overcast. so that created a security concern for the president, essentially, taking marine one over to the cemetery. the drive time would have been two hours. that is a long drive time for a president, a long time to close down the roads here in paris. at the same time other world leaders made it to a cemetery that was equal distance. president macron, german chancellor angela merkel were able to visit a cemetery or i should say a memorial to mark the armistice that was equal distance and then president macron treated out a photo of the two leaders with one word,
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it stood for united. that got a lot of attention here as well with a not so subtle swipe at the american president for not finding a way to visit that cemetery where american sol soldiers are buried. but he did send his chief of staff and chairman of the joint chiefs in his stead. they say look the focus of this weekend is to pay tribute, to mark the long standing pages among these allies and they argue that should be the focus. >> you mentioned and we're also seeing pictures there are other world leaders here, angela merkel is there. russian president vladimir putin. we're watching macron go to the tomb of the unknown soldier. they will have a luncheon later. is there any chance there might be some talks on the side, any discussions that are possibly scheduled for these world leaders to have some time to chat? >> reporter: there's no official meeting time scheduled, dara.
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he has no official meetings on his schedule. at the same time these types of events, is an opportunity for leaders to have a more full some conversation. that frankly what we'll be watching for. will he have a pool side with mr. putin. how extensive will their conversation about. sarah huckabee sanders said we expect them to have a quick hello. of course they will have an interaction. will they have more than that? this is the first time president trump and president putin will have any interaction since that summit they had over the summer. that's when president trump on the world stage seemed to believe president putin's denials he meddled in the 2016 election over his own intelligence community. those were comments he had to walk back once he returned to u.s. soil. this is the first time they are interactsing since all of that happened. so they did have that brief hand
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shake this morning. will they have a more extensive conversation this afternoon, we do not know. we'll be watching more closely every move, every word to see what happens between those two leaders. >> yesterday we know as president trump was landing, he was tweeting about the comment that macron had made on tuesday about having a european army. you know, it was a little tense in the beginning when they were meeting, but have they ironed any of this out. did they come to any sort of conclusion or was there an outcome on this conversation from yesterday? >> reporter: i don't know that there was an outcome. it was undoubtedly a topic of conversation. publicly they sought to tamp down the image of any tension between these two leaders. you have president macron trying to clarify saying look, of course, we want to invest in our military. president trump was asked about his tweet in which he took aim
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at president macron, calling him very insulting for suggesting europe should have its own military. look, i'm talking about burden share. i want every country to pay their fair share when it comes to defense. both leaders at least in terms of their public comments tried to suggest this wasn't a big issue. we do know obviously there have been tensions bubbling up behind-the-scenes between these two leaders for months over a range of difference of foreign policy. president macron tried to urge president trump not to pull out of the iran nuclear agreement. that was the key focus the last time he was at the white house. president trump ultimately did pull out of that agreement. they had differences in trade and climate. president macron rebuked the president publicly for choreography from the climate change agreement. their relationship once was
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described as a bromance. >> what we can do right now is listen to this tribute here in paris. ♪
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[ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: soldiers from all continents were fighting and dying by thousands. on the 1 november at 11:00 the bugle sounded and the bells
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announced the armistice. in their diaries men and women both in the rear and on the front brought testimony to this day. the soldier from the 343 richmond, 7th of november, 2018, am i dreaming? the rumor is persistent? is it true at this very moment the armistice with germany has been signed? i'm so happy that i have difficulty believing this can be true as soon as i realized my happiness i think of my brother and sister. both victims of the war and my eyes filled with tears. friday the 8th of november, yesterday i thought that the dream, the war after shocks long forgotten nightmare. i now realize that i was deluding myself. the war will continue. shots will be fired and more blood will be shed.
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11th november, 1918 more than ever i'm convinced that the war at long last has ended. arms have been cast aside. they will not be taken up again. i have much that i want to write, but the low rumbling of the cooking pots and the whistling of the bullets is finished, it's over. >> my darling parents today has been perfectly wonderful. we got news of the armistice at half past 9:00 this morning. i gotten minutes to sort out this detachment. so i got everybody i could lay my hand on to scrub the mud off. the streets were packed with civilians. all the streets and square were ablaze of color, mostly, of
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course, the colors of red, yellow and black, union jacks, french flags, american flags, in fact every conceivable flag of the allies. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: chinese worker, a translator. this event, this decree -- [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: it was the 11th of november. the date is engraved in my memory forever. 11:00 the arms and work stopped every where. i wanted to see with my own eyes how the french were celebrating the armistice. in the city it was already a human tide. men and women, young and old, soldiers and civilian, people
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from many different ethnic origins were walking together hand-in-hand, singing and cheering. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: people from all different ethnic origins walking together, hand-in-hand, singing and cheering. ♪
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♪ testimony of an american soldier, captain charles norman, 127th infantery. november 11, 1918. in the parade where hundreds of thousands of soldiers from the u.s., england, canada, france,
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australia, italy and the economies. each soldier had his arms full of french girls, some crying, others laughing. each girl had to kiss every soldier before she would let him pass. there's nowhere on earth i would rather be today than just where i am. i have had many french couples come up to me praying like children, saying you grand americans, you have done this for us. i only hope the soldiers who died for this cause are looking down upon the world today. the whole world owes this moment of real joy to the heroes who are not here to help enjoy it.
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[ applause ] [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: the war is over, and in one hour we will leave and we will never come back again. once we leave it will be forever. this is an extraordinary moment, standing side-by-side we look ahead. missed drift along the ground and we can clearly pick out the craters and the trenches. the uniformed gray landscape stretches out before us. these are the elements of a terrible, frightening world, and now all this will remain behind.
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it will simple gradually fadeaway as we leave. in one hour's time everything will have disappeared and disappeared to the extent that we'll even wonder how this could have existed. how can we understand? and how we, for those of us who are here, who should be laughing and screaming for joy, all we feel in actual fact is a feeling of unease. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: just a minute from a french person. a letter to her fiancee. my darling pierre, at the very instant when i write to you in your distant forest, you are learning the extraordinary news, the bells here of the churches are ringing out.
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i'm overwhelmed by happiness. i cannot write. i'm sobbing for joy. i will never ever be able to convey the emotion and the extraordinary enthusiasm during this first day of armistice. we are overwhelmed and this extraordinary thought for not a single man will fall hence forth, but the vast expanse of the front is silent. there is nothing but silence. ♪ [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: big tears as we reflect that everything is over. ♪
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>> please bear with the interpreters, trying to figure out a technical problem. we're not getting the sound. >> translator: on seventh of november 1918, when corporal pierre sounded the initial ceasefire at around 10:00 in the morning, many soldiers could not believe it. then, they slowly left their positions and further way along the frontlines, the same bugles repeated the last ceasefire. it was before the bills spread the news across the entire
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country. november 11, 1918 at 11 in the morning, 100 years ago, on the day, on the hour, in paris and all around france, the bugles sounded and the bells peeled. aramistous was being announced. this was the end of four long terrible deaths and fights, but aramistous did not sgi peace. in the east for many years, devastating wars continued to be fought. here, on this very day, french and allies celebrated their victory.
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they had fought for their homeland and freedom. for this, they had made huge sacrifices and suffered unfold hardships. they had experienced a hell. a hell that no one can imagine. we should take a moment to bring back into memory all of these fighters. colonies around the world. fighters from the legion, foreigners that had come from the whole world because for them, france symbolized all that was beautiful in the world. let us summon the ghost of the first to have fallen, and the last to die for france ten hours before the armistice. we have teacher defender, from
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the infantry of the foreign lesion. the soldi the soldiers. the captain that was known at the time. the american with the ambulance. who all fell during the first weeks. a man who came from russia. and all the others. all the others who are our family. the family that we belong to today, the names of whom can be read off each monument from the sun kissed mountains the of course ka to the valleys of the alps. one france working class where all the colors and where the perish priest and the secular suffered side by side and whose pain shaped us during these four
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years of fighting. europe nearly committed suicide. human kind had gone down the sinister path of merciless fighting. the kind of hell that devours all fighters. whatever side they might be on, whatever country they hail from. counting the dead, the wounded, the disfigured, the missing started. >> here in france, but also in all the other countries, families waited for months on end in vain the return of a father, a brother, a husband, a fiance and nonamongst those tha
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were absent, there were also admirable women who worked alongside soldiers as volunteers. 10 million dead. 6 million wounded. 3 million widows. 6 millions orphans. millions of civilian victims. one billion shells dropped on france only. the world discovered the extent of the wounds that combatant had. the tears of the dying were followed by those of the survivors because on this very soil in france, the entire world had come to fight young men from french provninces from overseas
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territories. the meamerican, asia. came to die in villages of which they did not know the name. the millions of witnesses from all nations then told of the horrific fighting, the stench of the trenches, the bleakness of the battlefields, the screams of the wounded in the night. the destruction rot on the fields in bloom, which were reduced to a cinder. many of those who went home, who made it home had lost their youth, their dreams, their appetite for life. many went home disfigured, blind, amputated. victors and vanquished were then plunked for a long time in the same darkness. 1918, that was 100 years ago.
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it seems very far away. i have seen the countryside where the most terrible battles are fought and in that countryside, i saw the land still gray and baron for the fighting. i saw villages destroyed with no one left alive to rebuild them and whose ruins still today attest to the falling of mankind. i saw on our monuments the litany of names of french soldiers alongside the names of foreign soldiers who died under the skies of france. i asaw the bodies of soldiers buried in the field where nature has reclaimed the rights just as i had seen in mass graves side by side the bones of german and
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will french soldiers who had fought during a vicious winter over a few square yards of soil. they have never faded from the middle east nor from the memories, all of us aurnd the world let us remember. let us not forget because the remembrance of these sacrifices urges us to be worthy of those who died for us so that we may live free. let us remember, let us take away nothing of what was pure of the ideals of the lofty principles of the elders patriotism. this vision of france as a generous nation, of france as a project, as france the bearer of
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universal values was displayed during these dark hours. as the very opposite of the selfishness of a nation which only looks after its own interest because patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. nationalism is all betrayal of patriotism by saying our interest first, who cares about the others, we erase what a nation holds dearest, what gives it life, what makes it grace, and what is essential. it's mor its moral values. let us remember, we in france, what we proclaimed on the day of victory 100 years ago to this day before the national assem y assembly, after which members of the paroliament started chantin the french national anthem, he
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said france fighting for rights and lawfulness, france shall always and forever be the solder defending aspirations. those are the values. those are the virtues that drove those whom we honor today, those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the battles they fought for their nation and for democracy. these values and virtues made them strong because they guided their hearts. the lesson we draw of the great war cannot be ranker and resentment against other nations, and it cannot be allowing the past to be forgotten. the great war is a foundation that o bloij bliges us to thinks the future and think of our
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essential values. as emergency room as 1918 our predecessors or forbearers lay the foundation of the first forms of international cooperation. they brought down empire is. they recognized many nations. they redrew national borders, they even dreamt of that time at of a political europe, but humiliation, the spirit of revenge, the economic and moral crisis of those years fuelled the rise of nationalism, tot to today peoples of the whole world on this will sacred planet, the tomb of our unknown soldier,tal
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today peoples of the whole world on this will sacred planet, the tomb of our unknown soldier, this anonymous soldier who died for the homeland, see so many of your leaders come together. eec each one of them bring with them so many combatants and mergers of their own nation. each one of them represents the face of the hope for which an entire young generation agreed to die. the face of a world that's once again peaceful, where friendship between peoples prevails over war. a world where the words of men must speak louder than the clamber of arms. where the spirit of conciliation must prevail over the temptation of cynicism. where bodies exist allowing former enemies to come together to dialogue as a pledge of armny
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that at last is possible to achieve. and on our continent, this is represented by the ties of friendship between germany and france, and the desire to build a bedrock of common goals. a union that has freed us of civil wars. this face, this hope is called t realization of the united nation, which is a guarantee of the spirit of cooperation to defend the common goods of the world that has its fate in -- defectively linked and drawn the painful lessons in the treaty of versailles. we have the certainty that the
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worst is never over. that the worst, rather, can be overcome as long as we have men and women of good will to guide us. so unrelentingly without shame, without fear, let us be those men and women of good will. i know there are old demons which are coming back to the surface. they're ready to reek chaos and death. there are new ideologies that manipulate religion that spread obscuretism, history sometimes threatens to take its sinister course again and compromise, undermine our legacy of peace that we thought we had forever sealed with the blood of forbearers. i wish this day of commemoration to be the day when we renew our eternal pledge to honor our dead. let us once more pledge as
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nations to place peace above all else because we know the price. we know the weight. we know the demands. all of us here political leaders, we must on this day 11th of november, 2018, reassert to our citizens our true -- our huge responsibility. the responsibility of handing down to our children a world such as was dreamt of by previous generations. let us add our hopes together instead of seeing our fears oppose each other. together we can thwart the threats of climate warming, of poverty, hunger, sickness,
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inequalities, ignorance. we have started to struggle. we can win this battle. let's continue to do so because victory is possible. together we can break with a new betrial of the intellectuals that feed falsehoods, that breeds falsehoods, they accepts injustice that undermines falsehoods and contemporary obscuretism together. we can foster an amazing development of science, art, exchange, education, medicine, these are developments that i see happening everywhere around the world because if we wish it to be so, our world is at the dawn of a new era. at the dawn of a civilization that gives private place to man's ambitions and faculties.
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and to ruin this hope by giving in to the fascination for withdraw, isolationism, violence and domination would be a grave error that future generations would very rightly make us responsible for. today, here together, let us face the judgment of future generations with dignity. france knows what it owes its soldiers and to the soldiers who came from around the world, it recognizes their greatness. france respectfully and solemnly pays tribute to those from other countries who died for france. those that in the past it fought
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against. our feet only in vain rise up from the soil that is a shrine to the dead. these were the words. on these tombs where they are buried, we want to see a rise that a better word is possible if we so wish it. if we decide it. if we decide to build it. if we want it with our entire soul. today on november 11, 2018, 100 years after a massacre of which the scars are still visible, i thank you for gathering in brotherhood. we hope this gathering will not last, but one day, this
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brotherhood, fraternity, dear friends, is an invitation to into the only battle that was right. the struggle for peace, the struggle for a better world. long-lived peace amongst peoples and amongst states, long lived the free medications nations o. long-lived friendships among people, long-lived france. [ applause ]
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and we have been watching president emmanuel macron give a tribute to the fallen soldiers of the 100 anniversary of the aramis tis. talking about the power of peace and how important it is. interesting turns. he talked about how the state of the world is now versus how it was then. what were you take aways from the speech. >> reporter: my big take away was this sentence. patriotism is the opposite of
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nationalism. nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. why is that so significant? it's significant because just weeks ago on the campaign trail, president trump proudly proclaimed that he is a nationalist. that became a part of his closing argument during the mid determine elections. he got rebuked by some in the u.s. at the time, but this is another world leader. one of his closest allies essentially rebuking nationalism. rebuking that part of trumpism, if p yyou will. it was wildly expected ma cr ee was going to talk about his vision. that he was going to give a very strong counter point to the america first foreign policy. wasn't clear how far and how definitive he would be. those were some of the strongest words that we have heard from president ma cron when it comes to essentially creating a counter point to president trump. it wasn't just about president trump. it was about president putin as well.
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his vision of nationalism. whale what we are seeing is the competing ideologies. >> very important moment in the speech. then went on to talk about pledge in harmony and work together through all of this. you listen to the words that had been spoken from the soldiers of that day 100 years ago in comparison to the state of the world now, how does that juxtaposition work with the state of the union now because obviously there are issues in and there are controversies between our world leaders. i think you saw president macron taking on that juxtaposition head on. he mapped out his vision as he
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would like to see the world move forward along multinationalists, multilateral path. he thinks that is the way to move forward. and so he did speak about the sacrifice. i think the tone was significant. this was a somber moment, i think, for this president as he paid tribute to the 17 million lives that were lost in world war one. effectively he was making the argument that all of those lives made peace possible. and so now the burden is on the leaders of today. that carry that forward. we have been talking so much about the relationship between president macron and trump and the fact it was once described as a bromance that has has been fizzling over time. they have had sharp differences over so many different foreign policy issues. whether you're talking about
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iran, syria, trade, climate policies and you really saw macron today take that to a new level by rejecting nationalism, rejecting the very word which president trump used to describe himself just weeks ago. so it will be fascinating to see how this impacts their relationship. their ability to work together. moving forward, president trump gave very sort of muted applause at the end of his speech and hopefully reporters will get to ask him some questions along the way today. that is what we are hoping for. because undoubtedly everyone will want to know how president trump pursued that in realtime, but what we're seeing here is really the clash of two ideologies unfold at this very critical moment. all of these world leaders here are gathered in france to pay their respects, to commemorate those millions of lives that were lost so many years ago to make peace possible now. dara. >> we did see the world leaders there and at the ceremony which
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has been going on for the past 40 minutes here. were there some hiccups in the beginning? with the weather w we know it's gray and rain fy there. that caused an issue yesterday. and also played a part in the tribute today with the world leaders. was there an issue with timing as to how this tribute began this morning? >> reporter: it was a little bit delayed, in fact the world leaders missed the moment of silence. to actually mark the exact moment of the armistice. this has been trouble this weekend. he wasn't able to visit the area of the soldiers because the weather created problems. this has been a challenge throughout the weekend, yet, i thought it was so remarkable toll see the world leaders gathered in the rain. they were covered.
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at the same time, there in the rain to pay tribute to all of those lives that were lost so many years ago sitting together in unison and yet battling these different ideologies about how to move forward, dara. >> christen, tell us, i know we're listening to the music because the tribute is still continuing under the arch detriomphe in paris. it has been a beautiful and somber morning. macron did deliver that comment where we need to come together as nations and fight for peace.
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it white house said there's no official meeting planned between the two leaders. yet, at the same time, there are questions swirling around whether they will have a more extensive conversation on the sideline of that lunch tied. this is the first time they will have had any interaction since the summit in helsinki over the summer which was met with controversy. we'll be watching very closely to see what, if anything, occurs during that luncheon. then president trump is going to head to a cemetery where american soldiers are buried. that's a different cemetery than he was scheduled to visit yesterday. then he heads home. what he is not attending is almost as important as what he is attending. he's not going to be attending the peace forum, which will be hosted by president macron. that is being met with a lot of frustration here in paris throughout europe. why is the american president not attending the peace forum? what, if any, message does that
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send? the white house saying he needs to return home for scheduling purposes. at the same time, the optics of these types of events are so critical. undoubtedly, that decision not to attend the peace forum that will continue to resinate here as we remember this weekend. >> kristen welker, live for us in paris. just standby for a moment. we do have msnbc contributor. he is on the phone with us. good morning, to you christopher. i know this has been quite an interesting morning and this tribute as we were discussing with kristen. he spoke about peace and did bring up the point about patriotism. he wants to present himself as a
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nationalist at the time. anybody who has any kind of historical memory knows perfectly well that this is -- that nationalism was the cause of world war one and world war ii and has been a poison that has affected international politics for a long time at the cost of millions and millions of lives. that's the point that macron was making. george orwell made this point. patriotism is a good thing. means you love your country. nationalism is about hating other countries. that's exactly what macron was talking about. >> discussing how the countries need to come together and work together in this pledge of harmony. how are they going to overcome this hurdle because this has been going on for a while now as president trump has been taking the u.s. sort of on a different venue by pulling out of treaties and now also not staying for the peace forum that macron is
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hosting. somehow that going to play out? >> you know, i think macron's big worry is that trump has encouraged the nationalist trend in europe. we see them as first manifesting themselves as anti-immigrant issues, but eventually coming to these political movements in italy and hungary and some extent in brexit. all of that is a rise in nationalism tearing apart europe. as a result, macron is desperately trying to pull it back together again and be the leader of the united europe. that's what he was talking about. saying that's where people's hopes and aspirations should lie. if we go down the route towards nationalism and divisiveness we're seeing, we're going to be heading down the road to more wars, more division, massive loss of life in a future. that sounds like a bleak vision, but very easy to imagine if you live here in europe. >> i do want to ask you, the white house says yesterday the
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cemetery visit was called off due to poor weather. why is this a big deal and how do you think the american allies view this? well, look, i think that they think that trump just doesn't care about history, including the list of his own country. i mean, there are more than a thousand u.s. marines buried near bellow wood. and there was not very much rain yesterday. i mean, i'm here. i saw it. i know exactly what it looked like. u.s. marine one, that's the helicopter, flies in the rain all the time, but it couldn't fly to the marine cemetery. nobody believes that was because of the weather. they think it's because trump just couldn't be bothered. how his two main enablers, james mattis, the secretary of defense, and chief of staff, john kelly, both of them four star generals, how they will take this, i think that would be an interesting question to ask them at some point, but in fact, this is every other leader,
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macron, merkel, trudeau, all of them went to their locations out in the same weather. they were not deterred. so i think this is really a humiliation for the united states because it shows that it's a president who has no preponderate for history or for his own soldier >> to your point, president macron did post a picture of him along with angela merkel at that memorial service yesterday in the rain. both of them standing there with that title. also, i want to touch on a point. the president did not walk the red carpet to last night's dinner for the world leaders in paris. is he possibly avoiding macron in public? kristen has spoken of their original relationship like a bromance. that doesn't seem to be the state of it now. can you talk about that? >> well, yes, i thinking what we are seeing now is the typical
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pet la petulant of president trump. he didn't want to be here. he wanted to be having his own big parade in washington. that's what was supposed to be happening here. in august he realized that's going to be so expensive. against american traditions, he decided he could come here. even in august when i was talking to diplomats, they were saying, you know, he's not going to like it on november 11. it's not going to be a big parade like the one of buastill day that he attended last year with macron which was the beginning of the bromance when he saw a massive military parade and felt like it was all about him. there's no massive military parade today. it's definitely not all about him. didn't really want to be here. he's acting just like he always acts when he's put out, petulant. >> i want to ask you this. the white house says no formal plans for president trump to meet with putin there in france. we saw them together at this
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tribute. they're here now. two weeks ago john bolton said the president was looking forward to the meeting so why the on again, off again comments about putin and trump getting togeth together. well, because the americans maybe didn't know it happened. that's a typical thing we see happening. again, there's some worry about a repetition of the helsinki summit with putin, which was really speaking of humiliations, a complete disaster for trump. do you think there's any fallout
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over the nuclear treaty. >> yes, i think there is. i think it's a complicated question. pulling out of the ins is not just about russia. it's about china. there are reasons to hold russia accountable for cheating on the treaty. basic -- i'm not sure putin will be really upset about it. at this point, i think he would like an arms race of a certain nature. he wants to reassert the dynamic that existed during the days of the soviet union when you had two great super powers, the united states and the soviet union. and taking down these treaties opening up the possibility to do that. makes it that much easier. >> christopher live in paris. standby. we're going to go back to kristen welker who is traveling with the president and also in paris. watching the ceremony the same way we are. talk about what going to come after the ceremony in terms of
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the mood and the setting for the president as he goes into this luncheon. somehow this ceremony going to set the mood for the rest of the afternoon. >> reporter: well, first of all, when you talk about the tone and i think christopher makes an important point. this was not meant to be a celebration. president macron has been very clear on that point. very firm on that point. this is a commemoration to really mark the lives of those who gave their lives. the 17 million who gave their lives in world war one. so i think that is part of the tone going into this afternoon. that's the tone frankly that he said. then you do have the politics of this. the fact that a president macron as you were just discussing did put the focus on multinationalism, strongly rebuked nationalism. and so the question becomes, how will these conversations evolve over the lunch that all of these leaders are going to have.
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how much will they delve into that or will it be a lunch about pleasant pleasantries. you would imagine there will be substantive conversations that take place perhaps on the sidelines. how extensive will the conversations be, that remains to be seen. we'll be watching the body language between president trump and president macron very closely. we'll be watching the body language between president trump and president putin very closely. as you were just discussing, there has been discord over the inf treaty. these are two leaders who have a very complicated relationship. the white house has said there's no plans for a formal meeting between president trump and president putin. at the same time, there is going to be some type of interaction. so how robust will that interaction be. and then president trump heads to cemetery where american soldiers are buried and then he goes home. again, as i've been saying throughout the day, he's not going to be attending that peace
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forum. it will be interesting to note the reaction that gets. will there be any reaction online? i can tell you there was very strong, very swift reaction online yesterday to his decision not to go to the cemetery because of the weather. the white house saying that created all sorts of security concerns, but french officials, american officials, those who served in the obama and bush administrations were very quick to criticize that decision by president trump. essentially saying there is always a plan b. there's always a contingency plan for the weather. so we'll be watching closely to see if that happens again today, but again, the focus on the long standing peace that has existed between these allies and the challenges moving forward, dara. >> we know that we were discussing the iron treaty with christopher dicky and how that could play into the relationship with putin. also before sort of a bromance and now we're not sure where that is. the macron with him not staying
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for the peace treaty negotiations. we see angela merkel there. president has sort of a frosty relationship with angela merkel over the past month. where does this put president trump in terms of the leaders he is going to be lunching with today and is there possibly any way to break the ice with these relationships and get the standing back on positive terms? >> reporter: well, i think you point out something that is very critical. how is he going to be received at this luncheon. how are they viewing him right now. in addition to all of those differences that you just talked about, dara, he's had very sharp differences. over immigration as well. he has been very critical of her immigration policy. he has a very different immigration policy. of course just days ago announcing that he's going to cut off asylum for those who want to enter the country in his words illegally. they are watching all of this
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very closely. watching what's happening on american soil. the fact that republicans just lost the house of representatives, there is that splip decision coming out of med term lelections. the fact it's only going to be ramping up. went quiet during the midterms. expect there to be an escalation. that potentially makes the president look weaker on the world stage. these leaders will be very aware of that. very tuned in to all of those domestic pomt politics so the question becomes how will that play out. it will be interesting to see. i think that's the backdrop to this luncheon of all of these world leaders that were about to watch unfold. >> christen. we are watching the end of the ceremony that has been held at the arc de triomphe. we know president trump was the
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last leader to come in and we're wondering about protocol here. how does the leaving of the ceremony go? will he be the first to leave? do we have any idea how that will work? >> he is expected to be the first to leave. i thought it was interesting. you were speaking with christopher about something really interesting to us last night. which is that we didn't see his arrival last night at the dinner that took place. we were waiting and waiting. he went in apparently through a back door so we weren't able to see it. the white house saying there was no significance to that. i go think it is notable. we didn't see that handshake last night between president trump and president macron. why is that? it's not clear and perhaps there is no more significance than the fact that he arrived through a different entrance. again, in these types of world events, dara, the optics become so important. already there have been significant ones during that
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bilateral meeting that he had yesterday with president macron. we saw macron reach over and touch president trump on the leg. president trump by the way didn't reciprocate. i do think that was an attempt to tamp down some of the optics that there are mounting tensions between the two leaders. it was president macron's way of extending an olive branch publically to the american president. so all of these small interactions become very critical when you're watching this type of forum where you have dozens of world leaders in the same place at the same time. >> and kristen, if i could just ask you to standby for a another moment. we have christopher back on the line. christopher, i would like to ask you. what are your expectations now between president trump and possibly discussion with president putin? >> reporter: i don't think we'll see any big advances on it. probably play it low key. probably a meeting on the
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sidelines of the lunch. i don't think we're going to be briefed on it extensively. just as we still don't know what was said in helsinki. the relationship between two of them is not public relationship except when putin is absorbing the praise that was heaped on him by president trump. >> christopher, if i may, we were just discussing with christen. she brought up the point how president trump had missed the red carpet moment. he's having a few moments on this trip to france, how is that playing out with the french people? >> the french people don't like donald trump. i don't think he likes them either. donald trump loves rallies. he loves rallies that are more like prowrestling events. that's not going to happen here. this is not the kind of moment
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he can expect that kind of reception. he's playing it as low key as possible. i think it's clear he doesn't like the rain. i don't know why that is. other people seem to get along in it. generally speaking he doesn't want to be here. he's acting like he doesn't want to be here. maybe he'll meet putin. what they say, we won't know. the real thing to take away from this whole incident, this whole event, this whole commemoration, is, in fact, the memory of world war one and what it did and how many people died and how important the history was. i don't think that's very important to trump. should be important for the rest of the world. >> you bring into play social media. we did see angela merkel in the rain alongside macron. president trump wasn't there. what kind of importance is that going to have going forward. this is disrespectful on the
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part of trump. he didn't want to be here. he wanted to have his own parade. then he decided to come. then he wetweeted all these oth leaders were coming because he was here. that's not true at all. they didn't come because of him. that's the way he sees the world. at the same time, he's promoting nationalism, divisiveness, trying to tear apart nato. led to world war one and world war ii and conflicts all over the world since then, you know, people who are sensible, who have a sense of history, who have a sense of what's needed for the future of the world from climate change to just stopping disastrous wars, they don't respond well to trump, but apparently a lot of americans do. and he's going to keep pushing this line. >> christopher, you brought up the importance of climate change. we know president trump is not staying for the peace forum that
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macron is hosting. how is that going to play out. i don't think anybody is surprise thad trump couldn't be bothered to stay for the peace conference. i'm not that surprised either. not much will be accomplished at a conference like that. it will be a get together for people who want to make some of the same points that i'm making right now, but these are not the kinds of things that trump responds to and everybody knows that. it's another strike against trump in the court of the public opinion. >> chris, thank you so much. we're going to go to christen welker right now. standing by in paris. we're watching this wrap up.
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tell us what the mood is on the street there in france as you're watching this moment. >> well, i think the mood is a bit somber, but also prideful. as they mark this 100th anniversary to the end of world war one. the fact it is being hosted here in paris. there's an immense moment in that. you saw that reflected in the comments by president macron. you're seeing both, but remember, this entire weekend is also in addition to this ceremony. woven into that are visits to these scemeteries to pay tribut to millions of soldiers who gave their lives. there are still conflicts going on all around the world that american soldiers are engages in. there is a focus on that as well. and, again, competing world
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visions. it is a rainy day. it's been a rainy weekend here in paris. emblematic. christen, you talk about the challenges of the weather, but as we noted, there's more of a challenge in terms of the personalities that have been between yesterday and today here. are there any more personality challenges possib s possibly co forward at the luncheon. >> oh, absolutely. i think you've ticked through some of them. look, i think when you think about the relationship between president trump and the german chancellor, for example, that has been a very challenging relationship. they have clashed on a range of different issues. like macron, they've clashed over climate policy. on iran. you have seen merkel and macron
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issue joint statements at times rebuking news by president trump whether it be that he pulled out of iran nuclear deal or paris climate agreement. on trade, they feel as though his policies are potentially hurting their economies and the world economy, but i think when it comes to president trump and merkel, they have this very unique relationship about immigration. they are so different when it comes to policies on that very critical issue. we talk about the strained bromance he has with president macron, and, of course, president putin. what will that interaction be like. a lot more at stake as we continue to watch history making day unfold. >> kristen welker. nbc news, white house correspondent. thank you so much for your time today, it has been quite a morning.
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we are going to continue following this at the top of the hour. please stay with us. in a town with zero degrees of separation. they were in on the search or a potential witness, knew somebody who was. or the worst part, so when the trial finally got underway, towns attention was very much focused on this courtroom. >> we're on the record. >> the trouble dpbegan before a single witness could be called. ron was angry. wound up.
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the new district attorney was set to call the first husband. he was a key witness. afraid he might actually attack jones in the courtroom. he had actually threatened to kill him. >> indicated thad he wanted mr. jones to be found not guilty so that he could kill him and feed him -- used a different word than that. >> proceedings ground to a sudden halt. and testified about his last day with page. talked about me moving into her house. we talked about her quitting that business. >> which business. >> the adult entertainment business. >> did you give her reasons why you wanted her to quit. uh-huh. >> what were the reasons you
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said. because she could get killed, for one. >> the jury heard about it all. the day planner, items along the roadside. bits of paper left along the highway. the search dogs who sent in on jones. leisa told the jury the harrowiharrow ing tale of night jones took her into the mountains. >> he looked at me and he said, i'm going to kill you. >> then there was this. >> hi, mom. it's me. i was just wondering when you get home. >> the prosecution played the fearful messages page's then eight-year-old daughter left on her mother's cell phone. love you, bye. >> here was jess today. senior in high school, but still able to give a child's
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perspective. a very loving mother. >> she was pretty much typical soccer mom. she would do -- we did everything with her. we all slept in the same bed with her. we always went shopping together and she took us to all of the soccer games and school and she provided us with everything that we needed, whatever that may have been. >> the procession of witnesses that lasted four weeks. the defense teams response, that this was all so much show to distract from a shoddy investigation. that focused on jones from the start. despite the lack of physical evidence. the theory by former lead investigator, remember her, she was in charge of the investigation all the detectives from the beginning, it was never called to testify for the
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prosecuti prosecution. >> would you agree with me. >> admitted reports had gone unwritten. >> did you actually receive an official reprimand for the poor quality of work you did in this case. >> i don't remember that. >> you don't remember getting a major disciplinary action because you kept evidence from this case in your office. >> in writing? no. >> she said her memory has been fuzzy since a 2010 horse riding accident. something that happened three years after the slipups on the case. then came the ultimate suspect. the guy who called page from motel six. >> and in that storage unit, you
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had numerous guns, right. >> i did have. >> this former client who allegedly discussed killing page. >> did you tell her that you had killed her by putting her in a woodchiper. >> no, ma'am. somebody said something about did you do this to page or did you murder paige and i said, just out of context, had i -- they wouldn't find her because i would have used a woodchiper. it was totally out of context. >> the client admitted to embezzling company's money to pay paige. >> did you kill her. no >> are you responsible for her disappearance. absolutely not. >> then the defense went after jose. who admitted he was so tight with her he would have done just about anything for his friend. >> including burning a car to help him if he needed that done. i wouldn't do that. >> you wouldn't do that. >> no. >> that's the one thing you wouldn't do.
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>> yes >> megan williams told the jury she was sure. >> he was a pathological liar and anything that came out of his mouth was a lie and any story he made up was made up. >> so many suspects, said the defense. and they put on a retired detective who accused the police of tunnel vision. >> because if you're doing shoddy work in the beginning, you're not paying attention to all the details and all of the information, and vetting it all. your investigation becomes sick. almost impossible to make it well again. >> as for forensic evidence, forget about it. called an expert and said there is no way a dog can follow a month old scent. >> my opinion it's not possible. >> if true. that meant there was no proof jones had ever been in page's car or along the highway where the belongings were found. by the end of the six week trial, jury had heard from more than 100 witnesses.
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deliberations, the jury sent word to the judge they were deadlocked. >> is there a likelihood of progress towards a unanimous verdict? >> no. >> no? all right. thank you. the judge ordered them back to deliberate further. but now, of course, he was concerned. >> so they will make another effort considering each other's opinions further and if they're unable to reach a verdict, we'll declare a mistrial and reset the trial. >> less than two hours later, another message from the jury. >> the jury remains in the same position, period. we are not unanimous in our decision, period. we do not feel any further discussion will change our state. period. >> that was it. the judge had no option but to declare a mistrial. minutes later, paige's dad frank tried to keep it positive. >> listen, if we hadn't had a trial, that would have been a problem. this was a massive effort.
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it was well done. i am grateful they gave us a shot at it. >> like so many times in the past, frank's facade cracked just a bit. and the pain slipped through. >> at the end, they showed a nice picture of paige. that all kind of came together. >> in my heart, i believed he was guilty. >> a handful of jurors spoke to us afterwards to explain how the trial played out for them. >> this man voted guilty. >> because of the evidence. nobody has that bad of luck in one week. this man, swihart was disturbed by the lead investigat investigator's testimony. >> she just boggled me when she was on the stand and i don't remember, i don't know. you're a lead investigator? they should have replaced her immediately. >> still, he voted guilty. but there were others, three all told, who couldn't overcome their doubts. one of them was bobbi santa bree
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a who spoke for the three. >> not enough evidence to get past the reasonable doubt. >> the prosecutor said in a way, he understood. >> the biggest weakness of the case in my opinion was that there was no eyewitnesses that placed mr. jones with miss bergfeld that night. we didn't know how she was killed exactly. >> he conceded. the defense did an admirable job protecting jones. >> they think the point they were trying to make was a good one, which is, it could be anyone. it could be somebody we never thought of. >> so the season slipped by and now with the leaves gone and snow falling, a retrial. >> good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. >> with time and money tight, all knew this would be rubenstein's last shot at jones. another mistrial would be just as good as an acquittal. >> so it all played out as before. >> you have a track record of
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being dishonest. >> yes. >> the same witnesses. >> did you kill miss bergfeld. >> the same testimony. >> i have never been able to run a dog on a trail that's a-month-old. >> the same alternate suspects. >> in your opinion, did the sheriff's office conduct an objective investigation. >> the same closing argument from the defense. >> this man is innocent and stays that way unless the people can convince you otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt. >> what is different is rubenstein's closing argument, taking the alternate suspect seriously, i went through each theory one by one with attitude. >> to think that somebody is who is so drunk that three different people have to cart them around, probably also on cocaine is capable of doing this, carefully doing it and going back and cleaning it up carefully with a car fire that specifically targeted to get the evidence, to
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tear pages out of a day planner, does this sound like george core louis owe at all? >> no. would that make a difference to this new jury? few thought so. while deliberations went on from one day to the next, paige's parents braced themselves. >> i think there's a reasonable chance it could be another mistrial. if it is a mistrial, i expect jones will walk out a free man. >> just as in the first trial, the jury deliberated for three days before sending a note to the judge. >> please be seated. >> but this time there was a verdict. >> we the jury find the defendant lester ralph jones, guilty of count one, murder in the first degree. >> the jury also found jones guilty of second degree murder and second degree kidnapping. the judge sentenced him to life without parole for the murder. plus an additional 12 years for second degree kidnapping. >> when the verdict came in, i
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think we were supposed to feel elated, like the home team kicked the field goal with two seconds left and we just won. to be honest, i didn't feel that. there were no winners in this case. none of this brings paige back to us. >> what about you? >> this is about you paige. this is about paige who has been gone and will not be able to come back to her friends, her brother, her parents, her kids. >> who now live far away in pennsylvania as they had since paige since vanished. >> the bergfelds tried to get custody and the judge ruled in favor of the father. >> it's been the book of joeb for you. >> back to our normal lives. we never will be what we were ten years ago.
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it estranged each of us. but we're working at trying to get back to normal. >> or something like it. >> a big word that hangs over the room is closure. i'm not sure what that means. >> paige bergfeld was kidnapped -- >> there were difficult moelts during the trial. like the first time they heard the frightened voice mail messages of their grandchild. >> back today. bye. >> i would tell you that was a hard part. >> that was the hardest for me. there is almost a recognition that you're in trouble. please don't be in trouble. please come home to us. >> and then there was the day planner. when the sweet mundane details of paige's life and those of her children were made real once more. the family night, soccer games, the dance recitals, the birthday parties and library visits.
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they were all there. the precious, chaotic rhythms of a family that once was. proof that there was a time when all was as it should be. proof also that time is gone forever. good morning. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it's 7:00 in the east, 4:00 out west. here's what's happening. recount in florida. outrage amid concerns that not every vote will be counted. this rally is the respect and protection of democracy. >> we just want to make sure that people's votes are respected. >> how long the recount will take and what happens if races are still too close to call? >> president trump's trip to france and his moment

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