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next, energized and emboldened. raring to take part in the action. >> i'm not worried about threats. >> we're going into a fight likely with the president. >> it would be a moderate violation. i'm sure there are probably many of them. >> as the democrats launch more threats against the president, is that what america wants? growing concern about the

impact on the mueller probe. new attempts with an attack dog to stay away. >> he's totally unqualified and his only qualification seems to be that he wants -- the president wants him to be the hatchet man to destroy the mueller investigation. >> the battle cry beyond as florida begins its first ever statewide recounts, but will all of them really be counted? i'm alex witt in new york. let's follow what's going on out there. we're following two big stories both with political implications. first florida, the largest swing state, is having its first ever statewide recount. all counties have until thursday to machine count more than 8 toi8.2

million votes. and andrew gillum now retracting his election night concession. florida senate could be headed to a recount by hand. but also developing right now, five days since democrats won control of the house. they are now strategizing how to use their new powers. house democrats could issue subpoenas, compel tefstimony an would that mean investigations on obstructions of justice? what about president trump's taxes? all eyes on this trump loyalist, the new acting attorney general. representative jerry nadler says they want whitaker to testify. >> our very first witness after january 3rd, we will summon, if

necessary, subpoena mr. whitaker. he's totally unqualified and his only qualification seems to be that he wants to be -- that the president wants him to be the hatchet man to destroy the mueller investigation. >> other house democrats are warning, don't overdo it. >> the investigations are sexy, they're interesting, but also our strongest purpose here is to put forward a positive agenda. >> i'm not going to be handing out subpoenas like somebody is handing out candy on halloween. i take this as a lawyer and as an officer of the court, i take subpoenas very seriously. >> meanwhile the president is heading back to washington. he was in paris to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of world war i. here at home, the whitaker appointment is getting some new attention. nbc white house correspondent jeff bennett is joining me with the latest. jeff, i'm sorry you weren't there to have some croissants in

paris, but i'm glad you're here to talk about it. >> conway said she was impressed with the choices the president picked. after some republicans and democrats called for whitaker to recuse himself because he's been a trump loyalist and a vocal critic of the special counsel investigation. here's what kellyanne conway had to say this morning. >> has the president asked matt whitaker not to interfere with the mueller investigation? >> i'm not aware of that. i doubt he would do that because it would prolong it. the democratic congress, and i don't think the republican congress would allow that, george. >> so the president does not want him to recuse himself from the mueller investigation? >> the president has not talked to me about that. we talked about other things, but he said, i'm 100% behind

matt whitaker and he's never asked him to recuse himself. >> this, alex, we know is the top priority for democrats in the new congress. that's protecting the mueller investigation. it's why the respected chairman of the house, jerry nadler, who we saw at the top of the show, wants whitaker to testify in january. he calls when it teritaker a la poses a threat to the mueller investigation. they want to get their hands on president trump's tax returns. they want to talk to officials spending money here at the hotel in washington. all democrats could do was talk about it, but now house democrats are making clear they have the political capital, the political mandate, even, and they intend to use it by acting as a proper check and balance on the trump administration. alex? >> okay, geoff bennett, perfect setup for my next guest. thank you for that.

now debbie dingel, who was reelected, not to anyone's surprise. is that what you need to do in terms of investigations and making sure this one can be concluded? >> we need to make sure we're focused on two things. yes, we do need to protect the mueller investigation and we need to worry about the tone of what's happening in this country and protecting our basic foundations of our constitution. but at the same time we can't just be anti-trump. and i think everybody is coming back, having been gone from washington for actually a refreshing period of time, knowing that the american people have some real concerns and fears. they want to make sure that they're going to be protected on preexisting conditions. we've got to do more things on health care from stabilizing the premium costs, addressing deductibles, reducing the cost of prescription drugs. i come from a state, but it's like every other state. our governor won on the phrase

fix the blank roads. we have to do something about our aging infrastructure. democrats and republicans both know it. that includes improving water issues and broadband. we have to deliver on issues the american people want to see us deliver on. >> and flint is right in your backyard there. >> it's not just flint now, we have a problem and we can't eat fish and water all over the state. we have some significant water contamination that we don't have an answer for. and the epa doesn't have a national standard, i might also add. >> do you think infrastructure is a place where republicans and democrats, because the president has said that's something he campaigned on, that he wanted to get the infrastructure shored up in this country. do you think that is someplace you could start in a divided congress and actually get something done? >> we have to. we don't have a choice. yes, i think we need to start, and i think we need to find that common ground and move forward. i tell you something else we've

got to do. trade. he won on trade. that was one of the reasons two years ago. he's got a chaotic trade policy that needs to get rationalized. if you talk to the farmers, they're scared to death about what's happening coming from the auto industry. i think we have to do some common sense trade strategy before we get to the next election cycle. the american people want a level playing field. it's an issue he won on and it's g an issue that has very mixed feelings out there. >> here's something that incoming house speaker nancy pelosi has said, and that's that she wants to get ahold of president trump's tax returns and investigate them. how do you feel about that? >> i think we can do more than one thing at the same time. i think a lot of people are disturbed by the tone, the rhetoric, the leadership that's coming out of the white house. i mean, i really -- i hate the way that this country has been divided by fear and hatred. and on this veterans day, today

is veterans day, i'd like to remind people that united we stand, united we fall. president trump has really set is a tone that has been divisive, and i think we have to address some of the issues that are going on at all of these different agencies, but at the same time we've got to find common ground. because the american people are tired of partisan bickering. i think if you go in and do an analysis district by district and where the house won, there are elected people they want to see address their problems. >> i know you said you support house speaker pelosi there. there are others in your party that do not. i was talking with representative-elect max rose here in new york who says he does not. why do you support her and does it have anything to do in part with the fact that nobody else has really emerged as being a viable opponent for her? >> i think that there's just been way too much discussion about all of this. i think that when we go back to washington next week, it's very important as a caucus we address

the issues that we need to be talking about transition. we need to be building a bench for new leaders. and many people in the caucus, i feel, don't feel empowered. everybody is coming from their own district. and they want to be able to deliver it. they want their voices heard. i think there are going to be some very thoughtful, tough discussions inside the caucus, and before the election happens of all of these top leaders that we have to make sure we have other leaders and that there's room for people and that -- you know, you have to build a coalition. i suspect the top three leaders are going to be reelected, but not until there's some real honest discussion. >> is there an issue or a way for the democrats to win over trump supporters? is there something you think you can move in on there? >> you know, i'll tell you something. we have won some of them. i'm not going to tell you -- i

took somebody to a plant gate before the election. that plant gate is one of the things that made me say donald trump could win two years ago. and i'm going to tell you, they were still feisty and i heard a lot of different comments. but there were people who walked out of that plant who said, before donald trump became president, i was working overtime, and they had just come off a two-week layoff. we have to talk about these issues. the auto industry is a cyclical industry. it's had the longest period of good sales and now you've got people talking about layoffs. we all have to work together to keep our economy strong. how do we make sure we're supporting manufacturing? there are going to be some really honest conversations about that. and i'll tell you something else, people in my state haven't forgotten that fear and that anxiety of ten years ago when we did almost go bankrupt and some of the companies did. and they worked a lifetime and thought they would be secure.

we have to do something about pension security in this country. too many people worked a lifetime, put their money in, and now they don't have promises of a safe and secure retirement. that's another issue we have to address as soon as we get back. >> we're counting on you, representative debbie dingel. you're going to get with your constituents and talk more about it. thank you so much. they want to start the recount early. but guess what? it didn't happen. we'll get to that next.

ali vitali, what happened this morning? >> in broward they were supposed to count about 7:00 a.m. that didn't happen until four hours later because they recalibrated one of the machines for this recount, and one of the machines just wasn't recalibr e recalibrating correctly so it held up the whole start. it really doesn't matter since the other 60 counties in florida make up that deadline when they're supposed to give their first round of recounts to the secretary of state in tallahassee. i've seen more pictures that more trump supporters are showing up at the recount of

elections. he says things are heated, people have bullhorns, there's music playing. certainly there is a tense scene with a lot of tension around it. but i also heard from miami-dade county, one official there this morning, telling me they did receive -- there was conversation about some ballots left at an opa-locka postal facility there. she said they did receive yesterday morning 256 vote by mail ballots there, but those don't count because they're far after the deadline. the vote by mail ballots have to be in by 7:00 p.m. election day. those didn't count but they were delivered because there was some confusion about ballot boxes in opa-locka, so we found out what happened with those ballots and the update on that there, alex. >> so based on your research, are there enough ballots still not counted that could tilt either of these races for governor or senate in a direction. we're not deciding which one yet, but are there enough out

there still? >> reporter: so the margins in each of these were slightly different. the closest one is the ad commissioner's race. that's the third statewide election that's going into a recount now. that one the democrat is up by a few hundred votes and that's of course going to a recount. so sure, those votes are the closest margin to overcome. the next margin is the senate race. that's about 25,000 some odd votes. if you're talking to t. nelson, they're saying they're happier to be them than rick scott and rick scott is saying they're happier to be them than bill nelson. i'm not going to begin to hypothesize that, because 2016 taught me one lesson, that you let the votes get counted and then you talk about what happened. but both sides are pretty much in a spin game about what the

end results are are goigoing to. >> our very smart reporter there in tallahassee, thank you for that. msnbc contributor, welcome to you both. i want to get both your reactions on florida. josh, you first. what stands out to you and what are your expectations? >> 13,000 is a really large margin to turn over in a recount. if it were just a matter of counting ballots, i would say it's too large an amount to turn over. you're going to have provisional ballots to go through. i think the bigger question is there is this weird situation in broward county where about 3% of people who cast a vote in the governor's race did not cast a vote in the senate race. that's highly unusual. in every other county in nfloria it was about the same number of votes. people were going to show up in both of them. the senate race was sort of in the bottom left-hand corner of

the first page of the ballot and it was easy to miss it. it was below the instructions and just kind of like you're supposed to start in the middle where the governor was soch. so when they get to the hand count, that's not going to do bill nelson any good. his campaign has been suggesting they don't think that's the problem. they think there was some error with the machine counting, that they missed votes and missed some votes in the senate race. if that's the case, it would be impossible for bill nelson to pick up enough votes in this race. that's the campaign's theory and i think that's one of the reasons they're still in this. they could pick up 25,000 or something votes from broward if there really were a machine to fix there. >> betsy, among all of this you had a tweet from the president. trying to steal two big elections in florida. we are watching closely. what is he angling for here as the state is going through this recount process?

>> it's above my knowledge to try to read the president's mind. what we can surmise, of course, is that he is intimating that there was some sort of monkey business going on in florida. and broward county is not running the election as you would expect an election to be properly managed. the fact that all these voting machines had hiccups and glitches undermines public confidence in these elections. that said, there is zero evidence that there was unlawful activity that happened or anyone has deliberately or insidiously tried to change or manipulate the outcome of this election. and for the president to intimate as such is once again the president carrying on his pattern of saying things that don't have facts and reality to back up those statements. it just serves to further undermine confidence in free and fair elections in this country. >> okay. let's turn to the appointment of acting u.s. attorney general

matthew whitaker here. i'll turn to you on this, betsy, because you've written about the idea of the president suing whitaker over his appointment. what's the probability of them actually following through with this and filing suit? >> the conversation is very much in the primitive stages. senator blumenthal on friday confirmed that and he the lawyers he was working with were exploring the possibility but they hadn't discussed it widely with other members of the senate democratic conference. another democratic lawmaker confirmed to me and my colleague, sam stein, that that person's office was also looking at the same question. i don't yet have knowledge that the senate democrats has a bloc are working together on this. some of the questions have to do withstanding that raises the question of did a certain actin this case of matthew whitaker violate a legal right?

and were each of the individual senator's legal right to advise the president, the constitutional right to advise the president on these points violated? or was the entire senate as an institution violating their rights? in other words, can an individual senator have standing to sue over whitaker's appointment, or would the senate as a chamber of congress have to vote to say we, as an institution, have had our rights violated. that's an open question. these are 40 convoluted issues. if the congress decided to sue individually or as a group, it's something we expect to see fully fought out in court. >> sure. in addition to this potential lawsuit, josh, you have a flurry of investigations the democrats are are hoping to target the with the wit president with, and that includes him going after the press. do you think this could backfire? >> i think it depends how they

conduct the investigation. i think they should conduct some of them and see if it sticks to the wall. i don't think this is a most sympathetic case for the public to make as to what the president is doing wrong as president, so it's not where i would put my energy first if i were house democrats. but one thing i think the president will find with democratic house majority is he'll lose his role of decision. to bring his cabinet forward, create sound bites that will then be on the news to draw more attention to the scandals that already are in the administration. i think this could do damage to the president. everyone knows about all this stuff they do but they don't know detail when they turn on the news. i'm not sure the press stuff is the best opportunity for that because i don't know exactly who you summon in most of those cases, but i think they're not going to lack in material to go after the president here.

>> betsy, do you think there will be a flurry of subpoenas on monday afternoon? >> no, i think there will be requests for documentation, and if those requests are ignored or disputed by members of the white house who receive those requests, then we can expect to see subpoenas. i think the democratic chairs of these committees will try to follow the protocols and norms of trying to get material out of the white house. i don't expect them to be issuing subpoenas right off the bat. >> where do you, josh, see the democrats as having the best case? >> i think they should get his tax returns. we don't know exactly what will be in those but they have a legal right to obtain his tax returns and they can release information from that. i think that's going to be some of the best stuff, and i think sort of the petty graph stuff. you also know that the white house is concerned about ryan zinke. i think damaging the administration's reputation much the same way tom price did when

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that, it's the firing of jeff sessions and the installation of somebody that i don't know if anybody saw coming, matthew whitaker as the acting attorney general, which poses lots of problems. but what i am confident of is that bob mueller is ten steps ahead. he has probably prepared for this by getting the authorization from deputy attorney general rosenstein that he needs to get in order to move forward with these indictments. all of those indictments could be sitting there sealed, waiting to be dropped on the court's docket. and once a case is dropped on a court's docket and unsealed, i'm sorry, but it's on. there is an active prosecution that will move forward in court one way or the other. >> so when the final indictments, glen, are written, do you expect the president's name to be among them? >> it's the $64,000 question, but here is my sense of it after 30 years as a federal

prosecutor. bob mueller, i don't believe, wants to leave this up to the vag vagueries of congress. i think he's been appointed to do this job, and i think he views it as his job to complete. so if he can get the authority, and there is a legal and procedural pathway to indicting a sitting president, if he gets the authority to do that, my prediction is he will indict the president, but only bob mueller and his team know at this point. >> yeah. so charlie, you've done quite a bit of reporting on the president's appointment of matt whitaker as acting attorney general, and you dropped this nugget, that in july of 2017 he interviewed with white house counsel don mcgahn to be the administration's chief defender against the trump administration. he hired ty cobb instead, so can the chief say he didn't know whitaker? >> it wasn't trump interviewing

whitaker for that job, it was don mcgahn, the white house counsel, who thought he might be a good fit for the in-house guy, and trump sdidecided to go with cobb instead. so we don't know if he knew anything about whitaker that early. although saying he didn't know him is ludicrous given how much he would have been in meetings. >> there's at least a dozen that we can count. >> i would like to say, i do not think -- i disagree that mueller will indict president trump or even that he thinks he does have that authority. clearly the justice department says he does not and there is no sign that he or rod rosenstein or matt whitaker would try to challenge that longstanding rule within the justice department. >> interestingly, charlie, because the democrats have

written to the justice department ethics officer. they want to get whitaker out. but trump was really angry with sessions for recusing himself and he never let that go. does whitaker have any choice but to do what the president asks? >> i don't think president trump would have put whitaker in there if he thought there was any chance that whitaker would recuse. i think whitaker knows if he does recuse, he'll be out in one second. whether or not ethics require that, there doesn't seem to be a forcing hand that will keep him from overseeing the mueller probe. all signs are that he was put there for the purpose of asserting supervision over mueller. people who are hoping for that outcome voluntarily out of matt whitaker are probably not going to be happy with the outcome. >> charlie, vanity fair has reported the president in a really bad mood that he fears indictment of his son, donald

jr. are your colleagues saying that, too? >> president trump has to know that the election was bad news for his future presidency. the writing is on the wall that don jr. is in trouble, to say nothing of paying off porn stars. there is a lot of trouble even closer to the white house that trump has to be looking up and seeing and worrying about, absolutely. >> last word to you, glenn. how do you see the next couple years playing out? >> i think the next couple years we'll see investigations, indictments by bob mueller, and i suspect it won't take much longer for there to be a consensus that matt whitaker cannot serve as acting attorney general or attorney general. we could do an hour show about matt whitaker's conflicts or

qualifications. if i could pick one, he talks about disagreeing with the supreme court decision of madison versus woodbury, and it provides whether the judiciary can actually decide if acts of congress are constitutional or unconstitutional, and executive orders, for example, are constitutional or unconstitutional. matt whitaker doesn't think that's a good law. he wants to take it and drop it in front of the executive branch. that's not the way it works. making matt whitaker the attorney general is like making someone who doesn't believe in gravity the head of nasa. it wouldn't work well for anybody. >> so the governor's act will have to be pored over and over relative to this. gentlemen, thank you very much. the wildfires in california are spreading with fury.

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now to the breaking news on those raging wildfires decimating both northern and southern california. officials are warning that the worst is far from over. mandatory evacuations areie effected in both regions. bell canyon is relative to the woolsey fire. how are the winds, first of all? they're picking up, huh? >> reporter: they're certainly picking up. they kind of come and go, and here goes another flare-up of

the wind gusts right now. the wind gusts are supposed to be between 40 and 50 miles an hour and the warnings are in place until tuesday. that is a big headline today, because the strong wind gusts could potentially fly these embers into other regions and they could land on vegetation, on homes like this one as you can see behind me is a total loss. over in the canyon, you'll see a lot of the burn scars. this is the recent fire. you can see how expansive it is. pan over to the left. you can see how close this fire got to some of the homes on top of the hill there. this fire continues to burn tens of thousands of acres. thousands of people are still still evacuating, emptying the entire city of malibu. we spoke with engine 66 and they have been working nonstop. first it was the hill fire, they moved on to the woolsey fire, and they will continue to fight this fire until it is fully contained.

i want to switch gears and talk about the fire in northern california, the so-called campfire, the most destructive wildfire in the state's history, and it took a tragic turn yesterday when they announced there are more fatalities. that number has now climbed to 23. it really is troubling. i was there on thursday in the community of paradise. it's about two hours north of sacramento and it essentially is a ghost town. and what was so disturbing to see were some of the cars that were parked and then left abandoned and were charred. i spoke to some residents there. they said the fire moved so quickly they had just minutes to evacuate, so some people had to leave their cars behind, flee on foot just to get to safety. residents also doing the same thing, having to pack up their belongings in a matter of minutes. the situation is very dynamic. here in california we're dealing with the ongoing draught, so it's dry conditions as well as strong wind gusts. really just a terrible combination here in the state. we will continue to monitor the situation and bring you the

latest. alex? >> it is a nightmare. god bless those firefighters who are on the front lines and they are nothing short of heroes. kathy park, thank you so much. what would be the democrats' most effective approach? these are the people i'm going to ask next.

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i'm not one to war with anyone. what i am going to do is do what the american people said they wanted us to do through this election. i'm not going to be handing out subpoenas like somebody is handing out candy on halloween, i take this as a lawyer and as an officer of the court, i take subpoenas very seriously and i plan to, if i had to use them, they will be used in a methodical way. >> congressman elijah cummings there, ranking member of the house oversight committee playing a balancing act as he lays out plans for the soon-to-be democrat-controlled congress. let's go to msnbc political analyst jonathan kalter for "the daily beast" and republican

strategist lauren zelt. jonathan, you're the only guy so i'll let you go first. on what investigation do you think democrats should go after first? >> well, the very first thing they need to do in tandem with introducing a legislative program responding to the results of the election on strengthening the affordable care act, drug pricing and infrastructure. on a separate track that involves oversight, which is the other critical function of the house, i think the first thing they need to do is get matt whitaker on capitol hill to answer a whole boatload of questions about why he is not recusing himself from this investigation. because by any legal standard -- it might not be illegal for him not to recuse himself, but by any traditional legal standard of recusal, he should do so. so that will be the very first thing they'll look at.

>> jonathan, that could happen not until january 3rd. is that too late? >> no, it's not too late. there's not a lot between now and christmas. first you've got the thanksgiving holiday, then also you have to remember it's all on a thumb drive. all the documents. if you go back do water gate they had to stuff documents in their pants to make sure nixon's men did motte get at them. this information cannot be suppressed.nmotte get at them. this information cannot be suppressed.omotte get at them. this information cannot be suppressed.tmotte get at them. this information cannot be suppressed.otte get at them. this information cannot be suppressed.tte get at them. this information cannot be suppressed.e get at them. this information cannot be suppressed.e get at them. this information cannot be suppressed. get at them. this information cannot be suppressed. >> this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. the democrats have been saying over and over again they were looking to continue this investigation. they were against sessions and now they want him back.

i don't think that the president is more vulnerable, necessarily. we knew this was coming. i hope he's very well prepared. >> where do you think he's most vulnerable? where is the underbelly that could be permeated? is it tax returns? >> they've been screaming tax returns. they've been screaming impeachment. once again, elections have consequences. unfortunately, my party wasn't able to keep the house. they campaigned and the president was very strong on campaigning on things like reform, stronger borders and also reforming the affordable care act. none of those things met the intensity that the president brought in once he was elected. a lot of it is our own fault. >> where is he the most vulnerable? i need one area that i hope they don't go there. where do you think he's most

vulnerable? >> to be honest, i'm not exactly sure where he would be most vulnerable. i just realize this is something that has been ongoing. we knew this was coming if the democrats were going to take over. we better have our plan b ready to go. >> they seem to down play their appetite for investigating the president. do you think it's spin for now? >> you have three confident people who will be heading. the judiciary committee.

i thought pelosi had a good round on the talk shows. she made it clear that my first order of business would be to fix health care. i'll let them do that. i'll make sure that we press forward on the issues that matter most. that is health care and raising wages. >> lauren, how do republicans respond should the demonstratcrt the president with a flurry of requests? what do republicans do? >> the take over by the

democrats of the house oversight committee is very important here. i think that's going to be the committee to watch in terms of what we'll be seeing in the new congress. i think republicans should comply to the best of their ability. i always go back and say if you have nothing to hide then you should be able to comply. i don't understand why that's so difficult for some on both sides of the aisle. if matt whittaker is subpoenaed that she should go and answer questions. americans want the mueller investigation do concludes. we want to know what happened. our elections need to be protected to the extent that we can do so. we need the mueller investigation to conclude and have it not be interfered with. >> do democrats need to take a recording of republican lauren right there. do they need to sell investigation sbos into this president. they have no choice. it's their responsibility.

is that an easy sell? >> i commend lauren on givingei the civically responsible answer. in our society you're supposed to respond to requests to testify from a co-equal branch of government much less a issue kne -- subpoena. the big change is the balance of power between the branches. donald trump for two years has been on offense. he's initiated everything in the news cycle. that's where he likes to be. now he's going to be on defense. his people are going to be on defense. not every day but an awful lot of the time. they're going to be in a position where they have to respond. it's going to make him very cranky. we have seen that. he's not holding the cards that he was before the election. >> amy, do you agree with your republican counter part here? >> i do. i believe there should be 100%

transparency. if you have nothing to worry about, why not come forward. this is something we knew was inevitable. if we're not prepared then shame on us. >> last to you adrian. how much of an appetite for the u.s. public for investigating this president as poopposed to doing things on a day in and day out basis. >> we can walk and chew gum at the same time. you have a lot of americans and independents and some republicans who voted for democrats who expect the democrats to hold the president accountable. they want to see investigations on a variety of issues. to your point, they do want to see something done about their health care. they want something done about infrastructure and the opioid addictions. we can do a lot of things and the majority of americans want

to see a balance of power which is all of us on this panel has discussed in one way or the other. >> this was a great foursome. thank you. >> thanks. a live report as the wildfire situation in california gets worse. here we go.

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