individual who decided that because of fear of this caravan, he was going to go in and and that's going to wrap up massacre jewish people at a this hour for me. synagogue in pittsburgh. look for me on twitte so this rhetoric, this dark side that we're seeing here is twitter @chrisjansing. "deadline white house" with already having real consequences and continues to have nicolle wallace starts now. consequences. >> elise, we were judicious. a group of the country's most highly regarded we did not air live shots of the conservatitoday using its clout caravan. we dehumanize them by calling the alarm about donald trump's them a caravan. this was a humanitarian crisis. war on the rule of law. and his attempts to weaken and an extremely slow moving mass of undermine the independence of the justice department. their concerns joining the humanity. chorus of uproar over trump's mothers, fathers, daughters, decision to put an outspoken kids. there were no middle easterners critic of special counsel robert swirling around among them. mueller in charge of his and they were so dehumanized by investigation. fox news and others who covered the attacks from within the them as some looming threat. president's own party come as >> i think we keep doing what mueller appears to be we're doing which is breaking intensifying his pursuit of the down the lie. truth as it pertains to and talking about what is true presidential trickster roger and what is false. and right now, i think we need stone. the "the wall street journal r " to be giving secretary mattis' report"ing robert mueller's role in this more scrutiny because he's down on the border.

office is exploring whether he visited these troops. roger stone tried to intimidate and they are putting up wire and and discredit a witness who was asking if they'll be taking it down and he can't answer that. he can't answer the question, ko contradicting mr. stone's what is their mission? accounts of contacts with wikileaks. in grand jury sessions and it is the gravest responsibility of the commander in chief to interviews, prosecutors have send our men and women into repeatedly asked about e-mails, battle with a mission that is in text messages and online posts. the national interest. involving mr. stone and his and right now, this is neither. former friend, new york radio >> trump is like a child in this personality randy creditico. sense. mr. stone asserted that credico he's constantly trying to find was his back channel to the border. where is the limit to the lie? wikileaks. in terms of why this is an so when we -- >> let me just defend all explosive development, "the wall children. kids don't even do that. street journal" offers this. he's like a bad seed. mr. mueller's team is examining >> there you go. whether mr. stone, along with part of what i'm trying to suggest is he tells the lie and several other pro-trump activists, knew in advance about will float it. if we bite, he'll tell a bigger wikileaks' release of democrats' one. e-mails in the 2016 campaign. we see escalating lies. there's a way in which the at the heart of mr. mueller's immigration debate has been inquiry is the question of framed. in which there's been basic whether anyone in mr. trump's misinformation about the nature orbit participated in russia's of the problem of immigration, efforts to hack and release the right? we talk about securing borders. materials. here to help us unpack today's we talk about open borders.

we talk about the browning of the nation. developments on the mueller front, as well as covering and then that morphs over into developments in the ongoing legal immigration. controversy surrounding donald we want to reform the very laws trump's new acting ag, some of on the books. we tell a story that isn't quite our favorite reporters and right that doesn't map on to the friends. joining us from "the new york facts. and then it escalates. times," peter baker, frank and suddenly we get the caravan. figliuzzi, former fbi assistant and what we see donald trump doing over and over again. director for counterintelligence, chuck this is not about the immigrants rosenberg is back, former senior coming from guatemala and fbi official. and on capitol hill, democratic honduras, from horrible things who are experiencing horrible things over there. congressman eric swalwell is this is not about george soros and liberal jews funding them. here. let me start with you, peter this is not about black criminals and brown criminals. baker and your paper and this is about donald trump colleagues have also reported on the potential signif dhachbs appealing to the insecurity and investigation into roger stone n crisis of white identity in the his associates as potentially united states. >> and i say one thing that's connecting the conspiracy that never been said on television robert mueller has already before. the posse acomotatis act. charged, more than a dozen russians for trying to influence the 2016 election to someone >> it was after katrina. potentially roger stone, >> you cannot use american army potentially steve bannon in the forces for domestic reasons to trump campaign. what's your sense of the significance of this reporting post civil war -- i mean y isn't and these developments around secretary mattis talking about stone? >> well, this has been the that? >> why isn't he is capitol hill fixation, i think, since the

midterm election is what's about testifying to how it isn't a violation of that? to happen with roger stone. >> you know, let's not normalize expectations that he or his the fact that donald trump is colleagues, former colleagues in lying this particular lie. some cases are facing legal and richard's point about, this is the way autocrats and jeopardy potentially in the coming days. and this is meant to be the link authoritarians use fear in order to build power. that pulls together some of so, yes, donald trump is a liar. these disparate threads. and yes, there's something we know the russians tried to child-like about him but i don't want to minimize how really intervene. we know president trump's own dangerous what he is doing is, campaign had some contacts with in that context that you raised. >> it goes back to our earlier russians even to the point of accepting a meeting on the offer discussion about the party. he's limiting the size of his of incriminating information, own party. advertised as being from the no matter survives where people russian government. are trying to exclude people. we haven't seen, yet, is any kind of evidence so far that he's saying all of these people directly and definitively says they knew about this hacked who are different, they can't be part of this country, much less our party. >> they change their hats and e-mails in advance and that they, therefore, played a role in effect in what would be vote twice. >> your point on radicalization considered to be a theft of, you is something that we should be know, confidential information looking at more because, on the part of the opposition. remember, this is a country that roger stone may be that link. he's been the suspected link for has drone striked, that has a long time. taken out people for radical robert mueller seems to be speech in yemen. zeroing in on him right now. this is -- you ran, i believe, the center for countering radicalization at the state

department. and when we study terrorism, we >> frank fug loigliuzzi, talk a find a causal effect between rhetoric and violence. the state of mind. we know when the russians offered dirt on hillary clinton, yes, donald trump wants it to the state of mind of donald not be any correlation trump jr. was if it's what you whatsoever and to be able to say say it is i love it. whatever he does and have no so this was a collusion willing campaign. blame when horrible things how does that play into what the happen such as a massacre of mueller probe is, obviously, elderly worshipers on a saturday morning in pittsburgh. >> and what that group did, what pursuing as peter describes roger stone as that link? we observed, they weaponize >> state of mind becomes very grievance and weaponized important when you're talking about obstruction of justice and disorder. which is they put out an order witness tampering. saying, go kill people in the so in -- and that's what stone west and people who were is being looked at for as well. disturbed responded to that. that's what we saw in so you can collectively use an pittsburgh. >> all right. argument that the collective this woman made going high when group is in this mind-set and they go low a rallying cry. you can use that as evidence her name is michelle obama and that you're thinking the same she opens up about birtherism, life in the white house and her way. you are receptive to collusion. friendship with george w. bush. that's next. you are receptive to receiving and disseminating stolen property in the form of hacked e-mails. you're receptive to meetings with russians and foreign powers. and, therefore, when it comes to

obstruction and witness tampering, which is really important to prove mind-set and intent, you can make the argument that your behavior, your conduct and the conduct of the group goes toward whether you intended to obstruct. that's going to play into this in a big way. we're talking with people that trump has surrounded himself with who are essentially criminal in nature. they are looking for ways to get their candidate where they need him to be and they don't care about 50% of people with evesevere asthma k? about how they get there. >> frank -- chuck, can you pick have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs. up on this? eosinophils are a key cause of severe asthma. everything i learned from you a fasenra is designed to target and remove these cells. frank figliuzzi. but pick up this thread and this fasenra is an add-on injection for people 12 isn't the first time we've heard that special counsel mueller is and up with asthma driven by eosinophils. looking at witness tampering. fasenra is not a rescue medicine there were also questions about or for other eosinophilic conditions. whether the president, by pair fasenra is proven to help prevent severe asthma attacks, with his aid whoes came back from the special counsel's office was in effect tampering improve breathing, and can lower oral steroid use. with witnesses. there have been -- this has been fasenra may cause allergic reactions. around. what is this broad umbrella of witness tampering. get help right away if you have swelling of your

face, mouth, and tongue, or trouble breathing. why does robert mueller care don't stop your asthma treatments about it? unless your doctor tells you to. >> we knacare about it a lot tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection because it goes to the heart of or your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. integrity. paul manafort was also charged with witness intimidation. haven't you missed enough? ask an asthma specialist about fasenra. that charge arose while his if you can't afford your medication, indictment was pending. they added additional charges astrazeneca may be able to help. and the fact that they tried to tamper with witnesses led to him -- his bond being revoked and him being put in jail pending his trial. so why does it matter, nicoll sne frank is exactly right. we have to show intent. when you try and get people to change their story, when you reach out and ask them to remember things in a certain way, you're essentially saying to prosecutors and to agents, i did something wrong and now i'm trying to cover my tracks. that helps me as a prosecutor show that intent that's required. as frank said, either to charge obstruction -- i'm sorry, to prove obstruction of justice or to prove witness tampering you

have to prove someone acted corruptly. that's a hard thing to do. mr. stone is making it a bit easier for us to do that. >> congressman swalwell, another front we're watching, nbc news yesterday reported that the president is working on some part of the written questions from mr. mueller. where do you see the change in leadership in congress playing in as a trigger against this president in addition to turning in these written answers? his behavior is, at best, more erratic and bizarre than normal which is saying either not a lot or a whole lot. but where do you see sort of the twin forces of the mueller probe and reporting in "the wall street journal" today and in the times a week ago about stone being in focus and the reporting about the president readying some answers for mr. mueller. >> good afternoon, nicolle. robert mueller now has an open track. meaning that as he sprints to the finish line now, if he can finish this investigation, there i got a text from my dad are no more hurdles in the way.

this morning that send send whereas before, in the last two michelle my love. years, he's been -- he's seen i thought it's so interesting hurdles from multiple committees how people are so interested in going after people that the y'all's friendship. president appointed, subpoenaing that hug was a hug that went around the world. why are people so hungry for them and trying to undermine that? their work. >> i think the political he can be assured in a discourse, the way it's shown in democratic majority, he's not the media, it's all the nasty going to see those types of parts of it. stunts that would undermine his we're all americans. we all care about our family and work. now the president, as you our kids, and we're trying to mentioned, he is now just get ahead. getting around to turning in his we have different ideas about what's the best way to get homework, these questions that there. i think in america's heart, were given to him months ago and that's where we want to be. despite his complaints as to how and i think that our long it takes when you tamper relationship reminds us that we with witnesses, lie to can get there. investigators and obstruct the >> michelle obama currently on a investigations take a lot longer. what we're going to do and i'm 12-stop tour for her new book on the judiciary and intelligence committee, we're going to fill in the gaps where "becoming." she isn't holding back. they exist right now with what "the brand of transparency the republicans didn't allow us offered in the book, the kind to do. whether it was on money mrs. obama often had to temper laundering that may have gone during her time as first lady, through the trump organization, understanding the full extent of that trump tower meeting. is a reminder of what made women understanding michael cohen's like us endeared to her in the relationship with russian first place. americans who were trying to one of the many things she

opened up about, her feelings on connect donald trump and putin during the primary. the conspiracy promoted by trump and then on the judiciary that her husband was not born in committee, we're going to seek the u.s. she writes, the whole thing was to immediately protect bob crazy and mean-spirited, of mueller so that no person who course. it's underlined bigotry and comes in like matt whitaker or anyone else can shut down the xenophobia hardly concealed but investigation. >> let me take those one at a it was meant to stir up the time. let me first start with the work wingnuts and kooks. of the house intel committee. i feared their reaction. what if someone with an unstable we've talked on this program mind loaded a gun and drove to about some blank spaces. washington? what if that person went looking answers to questions you weren't allowed to ask. one was a dropped call or an for our girls? donald trump with his loud and incoming call between don junior and fill in the blank. can you tell us who you want to reckless inwindnuendos was putt come back? there's also reporting in "the my family at risk. new york times" that steve >> everyone on tv is at risk of bannon was in receipt of an e-mail from roger stone that exactly that person michelle turns around this access, this obama just described. on both sides. very question of whether those tucker carlson had protesters two were one of the links to outside his house. wikileaks. can you tell us who you'd like anyone on tv is in that to see back in front of your committee? >> donald trump jr. certainly position. donald trump can do things to and his phone records. that june 9th meeting almost make that less. tells us everything about the he can't take it all away, but intent of the trump team during instead he goes the opposite the campaign. within days, they set up that direction and pours gasoline on those fires. >> civility is not just about

meeting. they moved heaven and earth to good manners. make it happen. it's also a recognition held, that showed how willing and eager they were to receive the sometimes thin that veneer of information. but there is a call after donald civilization is and how many trump jr. talks to someone in unstable people there are out there. and i think utterly tone deaf moscow and in between another call with someone in moscow, he talks to a blocked number. to the way what he says is going that's how it shows up on the to play in this world and as a verizon call receipt we have. result, this hunger that we have we're seeking to unseal that for these moments of grace. call to see if that goes to his whether it's dan crenshaw or father because we have other whether it's a candidate, you c evidence from other witnesses that donald trump, the candidate, that his phone number without accusing of fraud, you was often blocked. and that would go to donald trump's knowledge. get the sense of what steve >> and on the judiciary front, schmidt is talking about, the if there's some irony in a coalition of the decent is still out there and immensely hungry republican-run justice department, perhaps seeking or for moments like this because donald trump has reminded us, achieving, realizing some relief in a democratic-run house intel again, how thin all of this is. community over issues revealing >> and she was a uniquely classified information. american first lady. one of the moments that i loved the nunez memo revealed sources was early on in the presidency and memos where carter page did when they went to the uk and she the same. went to the buckingham palace what is your approach, your strategy for trying to make sure and she put her arm around queen that the president's allies, someone who is a public critic elizabeth and people went, oh,

of the mueller probe doesn't my gosh, that's what an american take over the mueller probe? first lady does. we are the country that escaped from a monarchy, we put our arms >> we're going to insist we'll around people. not deliver any democratic votes i thought that was so fantastic. for this upcoming budget battle that is what -- that's the unless they put in protect warmth that people crave. its not about being observing mueller legislation. now the republicans control the some old order. >> she also -- and she and jen house and senate. they can get the votes on their own. but as they have needed in the are the perfect people to tell past two years if they need the story, she also had been the democratic votes they'll have to ensure the rule of law will be few grace moments in our politics where menl traump was upheld. we're also fight, you know, whether or not mr. whitaker is welcomed to barbara bush's confliedndre insisting funeral in houston last spring, welcomed by michelle obama and that he publicly ask for an president obama and the bush ethics opinion and that that family at other sort of moments opinion be made public so that we can see if he adheres to it. of crisis. but we have so much more donald trump has been awol. oversight abilities now than we >> because donald trump isn't capable of it and so it was far better for him to sit out the did, had this happened last monday before the voters gave us funeral than to go and do the majority. >> peter baker. something that was rude or can you jump in on this conversation about resistance to distasteful. i really respect what michelle acting attorney general matt obama is doing by showing us

whitaker. george conway is involved in a group that includes some of the that it is possible to hug your best known, really conservative political enemies, that it is legal minds. possible to have a dialogue, people who would be cheered by the kinds of appointments that that you don't have to just assume, because someone believes the president has made to the differently than you, that federal judiciary, to the supreme court. they are sounding the alarm bell someone is pure evil. what i've heard a lot going at a federalist society around the country and doing all gathering about the attack on the rule of law. these focus groups is that this can't sit well in that west wing. people are sick of the climate >> no, it can't, of course. and they want people who can obviously, it's most deal with one another, they want spectacularly interesting because george conway is married republicans and democrats who can work with each other, but to kellyanne conway. nobody a bigger defender of the there is a growing sense of the president than kellyanne conway other side is evil if they do and her husband is -- not believe x and y like me and i think that this is not just a problem on the far right. its a problem on the far left too. >> i don't want to paper over they like what this white house though with our admiration for has delivered in terms of judges michelle obama and the book what and justices. they like brett kavanaugh. she says in there. they like neil gorsuch. she's talking about birtherism they've been willing to swallow as a canary in the mind for a lot of things they are very concerned about in order to get pulling the masks off our racist these judges. but now what you see is at least some of them breaking off and and zenophobic selves as we saw saying we're very concerned about things that violate the

rule of law. we wouldn't accept it if it was president obama. we'd speak out then. in charlottesville. and george conway is leading the she has a soft touch but that's a pretty hard indictment. charge. >> the verb she uses it could >> chuck rosenberg, they write, have been but we know the number the president has attacked the of death threats that barack justice department for obama lived under as president. indictments of republican congressmen on the stated ground it was exponentially higher than that prosecutions would hurt any other president and so she's republican chances in the midterm elections. and he's urged the justice talking about something real in her experience, worrying about department investigate his political opponents. her babies and worrying about that's a fundamentally wrong and very dangerous view of the criminal justice system and the then president of the united people from both parties and states. i think its important that we get to the crux of this and at across the political spectrum should condemn it. i'm cheered by that but this has least you get -- you mention this, its hard for us to been going on since day one. since the president tweeted disagree and me not conclude obama tapped my wires. that the position you take is an the president has been itching indication of your character. to investigate. how do you draw that conclusion he's been tweeting about hillary clinton. tweeting about the real russian and not be a bad person? collusion being democratic collusion. where have these voices been and and so part of -- that's just having served democratic and republican administrations, are hard to do generally and when you add politics and the stakes you cheered by this? of politics to it, it could lead do you feel it's too little, too late and do you think the to quickly making that judgment because its easy. appointment of whitaker as how could you make that -- you acting attorney general, the head of the department you love

and served in is that sort of draw that position, you could say that we shouldn't talk about health care, we should just talk this unappreciated scandal about the caravan and then sitting in the middle of the suddenly you show grace, i'm scandal-ridden presidency? supposed to forget that you said >> well, let me take a few of that as opposed to -- and then those, nicolle. this is an indication of your character and that's not? i don't know that it's too >> what's the remedy? little, too late. >> the remedy is for us to have i don't think it's ever too late good faith. at the heart of it is the to stand up for the rule of law. you and i probably know a lot of these conservative lawyers who presumption that you're being a are weighing in. hypocrite when you're being i don't think of this as a gracious, that you're not really being genuine when you're being conservative or liberal thing, a civil. that ronald reagan could decry republican thing or democratic bigotry and then declare his thing. this is just the rule of law thing. presidency in the name of states those of white house have serv d rights. you can say that you're -- of us who have served the committed to an antiracist department of justice believe in world, that you're committed to it. any time someone wants to stand up for that, i'm all for it. racial equality but everything i don't see anything wrong with in your behavior suggests standing up now. a lot of people have been standing up all along including otherwise and because there's some of these people who have bad faith at the heart of our put this together just recently. so that's a good thing, not a discourse, its very difficult to bad thing. the whitaker thing, to me, is of block that move to the inference that your position is your a different order. i don't, frankly, believe that he is legally unqualified to character. >> you were just describing that

as hypocrisy, reagan's serve. i think the statutes are conflicting. it's a complicated legal question. character? >> yes. i think the courts may have to >> but we have an assumption of resolve it. but i think he's probably good will with one another -- legally qualified to serve. >> if you read about washington that's a whole different ball of in the '70s and '80s and even wax than being an appropriate before that, what was real was choice for attorney general. somebody who ought to be leading that largely men drank together the department of justice. and smoked cigars after hours and then they put on these in that score, i think he fails fights for their parties or for miserably. >> frank, i want to get your their constituents. thoughts on the appointment of now, so what was fake were the matt whitaker. fights and they had them for the not just as acting attorney general. i understand the justice department put out an opinion purposes for the constituents. that gives them some cover, but i would bet my last dollar that what is real is the enmuss, what is real is that no one believes there are plenty of experienced people inside the justice in anyone's good faith and what department with whom this is not they put on for the camera -- sitting well. they don't even do that any more >> less than four years ago, mr. under trump. >> can i go back to the whitaker was selling hot tub birtherism thing? designs for a company that is being investigated as a scam/con this is the trump era. this was the mother of the conspiracy theory. artist company. that's who we've got as acting he really launched his attorney general of the united presidential candidacy on that states. so that leaves us to one lie. this was a huge moral test for conclusion. that he's got a mandate and a the republican party and it

mission that goes on -- beyond failed and the failure of that his legal qualifications to do test has led to the failure of the job. all of the others. and that mission is to impact >> the subtext of the birther for the benefit of the lie was not that he was born president, the russian someplace else, the subtext was investigation. the special counsel an african-american can't be investigation. so for that reason alone we president because they're not really american. >> it was delegitimizing should be looking at serious recusal arguments here. president obama. don't go anywhere because we'll and it's great to hear a member be right back. of congress on your show state "flight of the bumblebee?" ♪ they are going to move to protect the special counsel. but i fear that that will not happen soon enough. no, you goof. so we've got to watch this i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. closely. demand objectivity and this nice. i know, right? ♪ appointment of whitaker smells [nose plays a jazzy saxophone tune] badly of making the department of justice just another arm of the white house and losing the believe it. geico could save you 15% independence and objectivity or more on car insurance. that is so central to our rule of law. >> congressman, i'll let you not in this house. 'cause that's no so-so family. respond and then one last one that's your family. for you. >> it's not just inside congress which is why you didn't grab just any cheese. where there's concern. you picked up new kraft expertly paired outside congress, we've seen 900 mozzarella and parmesan for pizzahyeah!

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you can spend the whole day brainstorming and it would still be hard to dream up a story that would make donald trump angrier than this. his favorite channel, fox news is now legally backing his nemesis, cnn, in the lawsuit against the white house. that ultimate betrayal is the rotten black cherry on top of what "the washington post" was already calling five days of fury in which trump has berated world leaders, brooded over the midterm elections and bowed out of the public eye. reports of his sulkey, grumpy mood have been detailed in multiple news outlets. eli stokols writes this in the "l.a. times." trump has retreated into a cocoon of bitterness and resentment according to multiple administration sources. behind the scenes, they say, the president has lashed out at several aides from junior press assistants to senior officials. he's furious, said one

administration official. most staffers are trying to avoid him. furious and looking to vent. trump today aired his grievances to the conservative website the daily caller. it was a wide-ranging scattershot collection of complaints and conspiracy theories like this one. quote, the republicans don't win and that's because of potentially illegal votes. when people get in line that have no right to vote and they go around in circles. sometimes they go to tput on a a different shirt, come in again, quote. joining us, robert costa. and at the table, eddie, chairman of princeton's center for african-american studies, eliseco-host of the podcast words matter. and rick stengel. just fabulous. you're all fabulous.

your paper had one of my favorite pieces of the trump presidency and it ticked through. we went back in time to where this really became public facing. his -- i don't want to use the word meltdown but his break from carrying out the lowest common denominator of traditions for an american president on that trip to france. >> when you think about the president right now, despite his behavior and conduct and comments, he's still in total control of the republican party. just spent the afternoon at the capitol talking to republicans. senator jeff flake said the party is entirely in the grip of president trump. look at the leadership in the house elections today. kevin mccarthy. jim jordan trying to get the ranking position on judiciary. it's hard for the republican party to deal with this president because he's so popular with their own party base. >> what does that mean, though? what are they in the grips of, robert costa? >> they are in the grips of a

dominant personality. and their own leaders, beyond president trump, aren't cutting through. when he's fuming about the midterm elections, he is sometimes blaming fellow republicans like he did in his news conference or in the daily caller interview. they feel they can't get oxygen. it's his mood. his temperament. his ideas that continue to drive this party for better, some say, but also for worse, certainly for those who have lost and those who really see peril on the horizon. >> it doesn't seem like there are very many people as robert costa reports, who see the peril. and it's like an intervention where everybody on the outside can say, we're going to talk about the caravan. but he's selling lies. he's selling lies to people by making them afraid, and it seems as though he's on a collision course with reality. >> he's been on a collision course with reality for some time. what the president is doing, and this is different from the normal presidential bs.

this is really dangerous. the extent to which he's willing to go to delegitimize the democratic process. and the nightmare that i've been having the last week has been, think of this as a dress rehearsal for the 2020 election. the willingness of trump and his allies to make these absolutely baseless charges of fraud and, you know, and vote stealing. look, democratic norms are much more fragile than i think we sometimes think. and this president and too many other republicans with the exception of some of them from arizona who did the right thing, are willing to go along with this. and i think this is going to do long-term damage to the democratic process. >> you both worked in the state department and part of the mission of the state department is to lift up fragile democracies. the word gives me the chills. we're now one. what's your thought when you see the president undermining legitimate elections. >> i was in iraq for a few elections.

in afghanistan for a presidential election. and there are electionmonitors. and what happened in georgia, i just cannot imagine an international election monitor not raising holy hell if they had seen that internationally going on. if they had -- the secretary of state of georgia had been overseeing the administration of his own election. it is just baffling to me that we are so tolerant of just blatant conflicts of interest across the board this year in an election cycle. >> and the thing that -- i'm not going to say one of the most boring words. the architecture of democracy are institutions. they protect our democracy. trump is trying to delegitimize all the engines of government, all the cabinet departments. it's kind of crazy. and when we act like democracy -- >> is it crazy or is he in

trouble? is it crazy? >> it's bad for us. but the problem is because we're so personality obsessed we associate democracy with individuals instead of people and think the president is the preserver of democracy. he's attempting to destroy democracy. if that was happening in a foreign country, the state department would protest. >> what do we do? >> thinking about the tum people who are complicit. i don't know what's motivating. donald trump just took a thumping, to quote your former boss, in the midterms. and so what does he deliver for people who stand by him no matter what? it used to be the case, that there was a fear that would be a political cost if you came out against donald trump. that somehow his political capital, his mojo would be turned against you as a politician. well, what do we see? the emperor has no cloecthes. in terms of politics and in terms of his overall agenda in some ways. why are they afraid? it might be because they're not just self-interested.

they might agree with the trumpian agenda. >> your colleague aaron blake writes this. trump's continued foul mood about the whole thing talking about the midterms leads to this question. is he surprised? he said there was a red wave come not a blue one. there's a tendency with trump to believe that he does things like this for strategic reasons and knows what he's doing when he tries to inflate his political prowess, among other things. but as for -- basically, he goes on to say, that he was crafting his own reality which is significantly rosier than real reality. do you pick that up, and is there any sense of snat is there any -- where is the break from reality? is it the whole republican party, trump's party, or when you leave the white house complex or leave the oval office, where does reality start to peek in? >> it is starting to peek in a bit when you talk to people close to president trump and his political circle because they say ever since 2016, he's been

so confident in his political abilities. everyone told him to calm it down on the campaign trail in 2016. he ratcheted it up and then found himself president of the united states. so he's really ignored a lot of political advice ever since november of 2016. now that he's seen his base erode in the suburbs in some of the states he won, people inside the white house and close to it say there's a little bit of shock inside of this west wing. a president who is not necessarily humbled but trying to navigate in the dark here thinking his base is still with him in the rural and ex-urban areas of the country. but he's lost a little bit of the mag nick the suburbs that flipped in wisconsin and pennsylvania and elsewhere. >> he also seems really brittle. and i hadn't seen this in his political life. just listening to robert costa talk. we saw this after he lost the state of wisconsin. we saw this brittleness, this frailty in him. he tends to project a lot of bravado. you don't see that now in the few public appearances we've

seen. >> he's caught up in his feelings, poor thing. >> bless his heart. >> bless his little heart. there's a sense in which there was a gross overestimation of what happened in 2016. it was the kind of perfect set of circumstances. the candidate on the democratic side, how he basically got a full straight -- did i just get that right? a -- i don't play poker. in order to get -- in order to win by the little margin he won. he can't afford to lose voters. not even six. and we see that that base is eroding. why? because donald trump forces the nation to make a choice. and the choice is whether or not we're going to be a nation like him or are we going to reach for our better angels? and what we saw in the midterms is there are a number of folk in our country which gives me some hope that their they ay are act reaching f ining for our better. >> robert cost athank you for

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according to the president, less than two weeks ago, this was the biggest crisis facing americans. >> at this very moment, large, well-organized caravans of migrants are marching towards our southern border. some people call it an invasion. it's like an invasion. >> they're coming in with diseases such as smallpox and de leprosy and tb that are going to affect the people in the united states. >> illegal, unvetted aliens trying to flood into our country on your dollar, overwhelming your schools, depleting your

resources and endangering your community. >> there are approximately 370,000 illegal immigrants already in the state. and thousands more are in mobile mobs barreling toward the u.s. border. >> at this hour, that migrant caravan is still headed straight towards our southern border in the u.s. they are marching through mexico, growing in size. >> these some are bad people coming through. these aren't babies. these aren't little angels coming into our country. these are some hardened criminals coming in. >> those were some hardened liars. that was then. this is now. "the new york times" writes, quote, for weeks before the midterm elections, president trump warned ominously about the threat from a caravan of migrants. but since the election last week, mr. trump has tweeted about the caravan exactly once. to issue a proclamation preventing those who cross the border illegally from applying for asylum in the u.s. you were here the day -- we

didn't air that speech. we knew it was a stunt and a lie. but it's to prove a point. the vastness of the lie, the -- if mueller were investigating, this is a conspiracy, you just had all of your co-conspirators there. what's hard for me to deduce is where the lie comes from. is this a state -- a media-run state or a state-run media? >> now to get historical, all the social scientists who have looked at the rise of authoritarians since the 1930s and the rise of autocrats, part of it is labeling the other as the people who are infiltrating, poise ooning your society. that's been true of every bad guy. trump is letter "a" example of that. and it's a kind of odious thing. because people can't estimate the numbers of, like -- they look at that crowd and think -- that's fewer people than waiting in line at the subway underneath this building every day.

and he counts on the fact that people are -- they don't understand what those numbers are and he's poaching into that terrible thing that people have about fear of the other. >> i want to follow up on this. it's not just a lie. this was one of the ugliest moments. and he did appeal to the fear. and you are absolutely right. it was the other, the focus. think what else went on here that he actually used the u.s. military as a political prop. >> it's not past tense. they're still there. he's using the military. >> this will cost $200 million. thousands of troops who are on the border who will not spend thanksgiving with their families because of this absolutely bogus story which was also, again, the appeal, we're talking about the better angels of our nature. this was the appeal to the fears. the worst out of this -- >> what if somebody, heaven forbid, loses their life on this mission. will they have died in a lie?

who will investigate the death of, heaven forbid, any u.s. military service member that dies protecting a fake border scare? >> i'm hoping the democrats in congress, i hope they'll investigate what happened in puerto rico. and then number one or number two would be this as well. to immediately begin to investigate the misuse of the military in this particular way. but this is part of the pattern of donald trump where he'll make these promises or these proclamations and then they completely vanish again. but this is g the way this rhetoric played into what happened in pi