mandatory minimum sentences. less families are going to be separated. this is good for our country. >> very unusual moment. >> i'm sowing my good faith. >> you're helping me get out on top. >> that does it for our hour. chuck starts right now. >> thank you, nicole. its hump day. if its wednesday, take me to your leader. ♪ good evening, i'm chauck tod in washington. what happens if you ignore the voters on multiple fronts. folks spoke pretty clearly last week they want change starting with the president's by havehav they want less trump.

belittling one close ally and berating another one. firing his attorney general in the aftermath of the elections and reportedly maneuvering to oust others. the list goes on and on. the other clear message from voters last week, they want change not just from the president but from congressional leadership too. voters didn't seem too pleased with the collective work of leaders like mcconnell, schumer, nancy pelosi. after a slue of leadership races and major change from the voters, today on capitol hill it looks high lie likely that the leadership of the next congress will be, you guess it had, mcconnell, schumer pelosi and mccarthy. they were sort of promotions. not anybody shaken things up. for instance, here's what the old leadership of the senate democrats looks like. now we're going to show you the new leadership that democrats chose today in the senate. don't adjust your televisions. its exactly the same. house democrats are holding leadership elections after

thanksgiving and at this point there is no one in the party running against nancy pelosi or the number two. there is some notable angst in the party about that situation. >> we're going to bring change, the people want change, you know, and this is the establishment versus change. >> we have a significant number of votes. >> but that's not -- it doesn't mean -- >> we'll be here all week. >> can't tell if that was a comedy club, we'll be here all week or not. tim ryan is a current member of congress and there are at least a dozen incoming house democrats that said they won't support pelosi. that number could go up because a few nancy pelosi critics could win a few race that's haven't been called. nobody, no actual human being right now is actively running against her. nobody. joined now by tonight's panel.

ann, what is amazing to me is the fact that this was the fourth straight change electhe much of a leadership change for either party. >> that's it exactly. in fact, in each iteration the leadership has gotten older and i mean if -- >> some my call it more experienced. >> there you go. i'm in favor of that, actually. >> yes, i know. the older we get -- experience is a good thing, yeah. >> we offer our sage advice, but the contrast becomes starker and starker and i also would note that these are all white people. they're all basically old white people and that is not -- >> not the message of this election. >> exactly. >> it is a diverse and interesting group of new democrats and it is the same old democratic leadership. i do think that one thing that

you could say defending this leadership is, republicans have spent a many years campaigning against nancy pelosi and it didn't work. that's right. the argument that she was a drag on the ticket is a little hard to make at this point. >> its interesting. neither mcconnell or pelosi are very popular with voters. who should be the senate majority, mcconnell got picked by 14%, someone else was 33% and no opinion was 52%. 17% picked pelosi, 45% wanted someone else, 38% no opinion. the end of the day, you hear all this griping about mcconnell, the bob corker's of the world gripe about the mcconnells or the time ryans, but you can't beat somebody with nobody. >> right and the two of them have more in common than you might think and more in common than they would want to admit. >> certainly.

>> which is they are a very effective legislative leaders of their caucuses and so mitch mcconnell has overseen a transformation of the federal judiciary, the confirmation of two supreme court justices, he made a very controversial decision holding up filling the scalia seat, that translated well. nancy pelosi, not only can you not be something with nothing, but she is somebody who oversaw bringing back the democrats to power after years out of power with the biggest new majority since i think 1974 among the democrats. so one question that you might want to ask is, why is there all this talk about whether we're going to replace nancy pelosi when she just helped engineer a very big legislative win for her side. >> the concern democrats have is the idea that she becomes the spokesperson for the party. mcconnell is not the spokesperson for the republican party. that's donald trump for better or worse. that's the concern these house democrats have.

behind the scenes she's fantastic, but is she the face of the party for the next year while the democrats figure out who their actual face of the party is for the presidential? >> that in many cases the republicans have won by demonizing her and making her this polarizing figure, the california liberal, the rich california liberal who's not like you and it is a challenge for democrats to figure out how to employ the ways and empower the ways that she's incredibly useful -- instrumental. she raises more money than anybody. >> right. >> and she's -- and she has her fingers on essentially all of the levers to ruth's point that will make a difference in whether democrats can be successful now that they have the majority, but it will be a challenge to redefine her and to kind of get behind her in a way that doesn't further the republicans argument that she's leading a charge to someplace that americans don't want to go. >> one thing and i think ruth

you and i were talking about this earlier, she has a lot of credibility on orchestrating how the house is going to focus itself. we had -- there's so many potential probes of donald trump that we had to create a scroll. we love montages and scrolls. let me show you the scroll and its every potential house investigation. she does have an ability to tell these folks yes or no in a way that maybe a new speaker wouldn't. >> she's got a lot of respect from a lot of democrats for her ability to herd cats, her ability to get tough votes across the finish line, witness obamacare, especially, in 2010. but she's going to have an enormous challenge and part of the problem for the democrats is that the house democratic conference is well to the left of the american public -- further the left than senate democratic -- >> well, to the left of nancy pelosi. >> the challenge to her in the party used to be a little bit to

the right now its to her left. >> so if you're the democratic party at large, right, your question is, given that that house democratic caucus is well to the left of pelosi and well to the left of a lot of the country, who do you need there? you need somebody there who can make them behave, who can keep them in line, who can make sure they don't go too far. she may not the best outward facing face of the party but she's maybe the most effectively disciplinarian internally. >> what do you do for these new members who did go out on a limb, conor lamb, abigail span burg spanburg spanburger, they don't want to look like a liar to their voters. >> right, and therein lies the second part of the challenge. how does she organize committees -- >> she can't punish those folks. she needs them for the majority.

>> she needs them and she also has to show value to people, to your point, who took risks. she has to show value to the brand-new people who ran in part to be something different than she is, and i have not heard her say yet just how she'll do that, but being effectively in going after the white house, running down that list of investigations will be a start. >> i think she is more well aware of the problems she may offer politically to her party than the president does. he -- >> that may not be saying that much. >> this was -- if there was anything that was a rebuke in the suburbs, it was temperament. less trump. less trumpiness whatever that has come to define and he's responding with by saying, oh, yeah, hold my nonalcoholic beer. >> nancy pelosi's been the house democratic leader during some bad election cycles for them as well and i don't recall her ever saying, you know, once you lost -- because they didn't embrace me enough which --

>> she has self-awareness that he does not have. >> president trump has offered her an escape hatch that maybe we republicans should give her a few votes to put her in the speakership and actually, there have been some discussions among some republicans about the idea of getting some reforms and in return helping her. i think that would be enormously difficult in both parties -- >> explain that. >> explain it to either base, right? how do you pull that one off? >> it would make for an interesting situation. >> house republicans went ahead and went mccarthy instead of jordan, went with the guy that knows how to talk to trump without being overly trumpy. however, if you're kevin mccarthy, what are you selling? look what i did in california? this is a tough -- its a tough assignment. i understand why he won, because the alternative was jim jordan and i don't think that party's ready to go down full trump but that's a tough sell. >> he's got a tough job. he's got to manage an unhappy

minority caucus and he's got to manage a nonentirely reality based president who doesn't seem to recognize that his side lost the house or recognize the consequences of that, and, by the way, he's also going to have to manage however much pelosi does or doesn't manage to keep them in place, this is going to be a new world where they're not just in the minority but they're in minority against a very energized house democrats who are going to be making trouble and making trouble for his president. >> the irony to this house republican minority is how useless they'll be to governing and i say this not dis misivelily, the house democrats were needed to feel in the gaps when the freedom caucus were ready to blow up our economy and paul ryan knew i can get these folks. there isn't the sabotage to the american government caucus inside the democratic side, so the house republicans, they get to just basically cat call. >> right. in many cases its a better position. if you're in the minority any

way, you may as well be in the minority -- >> be in the most useless part of the minority which is the house. >> a lot of the semi-moderates, people who could have been a check on the entire process didn't even run. they're not -- its not that they're gone, they checked out -- >> and they're had the ones who lost. >> well, those that did run, a lot of them lost. the president ran down that list of helpful. >> mia love, no love for me. nice try, mike. good job, mike. >> so what mccarthy has going for him, he has less responsibility now that he's in the minority and more homogenous party than he used to have. >> what about the senate republicans who basically responded to that awkward senate judiciary issue of all men and they got joni ernst, enough.

>> that's one more. i aim for having a flash back to the olden days of the clarence thomas/anita hill hearings when there were none. one is better than none and would have been better for them during the kavanaugh hearings. they wouldn't have had to import the prosecutor woman. >> my only question is she's now in leadership getting ready for her first reelect. you're acquiring extra baggage potentially, she could be very powerful if she gets through it. of all years to test leadership, its a risky one. >> they didn't have a lot of choices among them. >> she's not only up for her first re-election, fit was a midterm electorate in 2014. >> it is the very -- the one you're most likely to use is an incumbent senator is that first one. the rise of liz cheney. why do i feel like this would

be -- that that's the most interesting new person that's been added to the stew on the republican side. >> i was waiting for you to mention liz cheney. she's a really interesting person. i knew her at the state department ten years ago. she's very capable. she's very smart and she says whatever she thinks and i expect her to do that. >> its funny, and we've all known her for a long time, boy, ever since she's gotten into congress, she's be-harley-davidson, i gue-- she be-harley-davidson, i guess. not as chatty. >> one suspects that she has medica accommodated herself. she was a bush/cheney republican and she accommodated herself to the new trump party. >> but that may not be saying that much because the bushes

seem uncomfortable in the trump -- >> i'm not saying the cheneys are comfortable, they don't act as uncomfortable as the bushes do about it. >> one thing i'm thinking is there is much more -- there is another generation of bushes i guess to run but for the most part the bushes are past and there are cheneys present in the house and as you said, extremely ambitious. >> liz cheney's going to be interesting to watch because the rest of them feel like old news, she's the new news there. a house divided. white house may be more tumultus than ever. now its the first lady leading the charge for the big change. alright, up and down, never side to side, shaquem. you got it? come on, get back. quem, you a second behind your brother, stay focused.

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welcome back. fury, chaos and a foul mood as we said. the week after the midterms has left the president unhappy and ready to shake-up his west wing staff again. we did see the firing of jeff sessions, chief-of-staff john kelly, who knows? could be soon though we've been saying this pretty much ever since he got the job. then kirstjen nielsen her job is in jeopardy. that's another one that's been in jeopardy almost the day she took it and the office of the first lady apparently has it out for the national security adviser john bolton's top deputy and president trump reportedly spent his weekend trip to france stewing glued to ballot counting in arizona and florida. here's corey lewandowski.

he remains a close ally to the president and currently serves to the senior adviser to the vice president. welcome back to the show. >> thanks for having me. >> i feel like we've been down this road before. the president's furious at john kelly, his days are numbered. you said that six months ago and 12 months ago. are things different this time or not? what's your sense? >> i think what this president is now seeing a week after the election results were on election night as the number started to roll in, it looked by and large -- it was going to be a very good run for republicans. andy's seat in kentucky, he held on. so there was a bit of maybe overjoy that things were going to go better than they were. now, we're still in this process of determining who has won some of these races. we got eight or nine congressional seats that haven't been decided. most of those are breaking

against the republicans and so the president went i think from a victory that night to now coming to the realization that the house is not where it wanted to be -- >> did he really believe republicans were going to hold the house? did he believe it? >> i think he believed it would be closer than it was and we see a number of these close races within 1,000 votes that the republicans are losing and we didn't see as many gains in the senate. he's looked at his staff and going in his first and re-election campaign, do i have the right team and that's where the rumors are coming from. the person who is rumored to replace john kelly, nick ayers, somebody with a lot more campaign chomps that john kelly. >> its a very different mold than what john kelly has. he's a process guy, policy person. wants to make sure it's done properly. nick ayers is a political animal. i mean that in the positive sense. if the president wants to make a change so what happened to some

of the congressional republicans doesn't happen to him in two years -- >> does he accept any of the blame, the president? the suburbs its a rebuke in the suburbs. we can have a conversationot clobbered. >> if you look at the candidates who ran with the president in a number of races. they did better. if you look in missouri, north dakota -- >> but they didn't have a lot of suburbs to win, in fairness. >> historically speaking, the republicans were supposed to lose the house. that's what happens. they lost about 34 seats, 35 seats right now, maybe it goes to 40. we don't know. but if you look back at where barack obama was, where bill clinton was, i believe that the marriagin was as small as it was because the president went on the campaign and guys like andy baur in a competitive district embraced the president won a tough seat because ofit.

>> nonsuburban seat. >> true. >> i am curious, you know, a lot of these midterm rebukes, the president, you know, you had president bush in '06 call it a she lacking, president obama said we got whooped or something. i may be conflating the two comments. this president doesn't seem to want to accept that the voters want him to change. does he accept the idea that some of this was about -- can you tone it down? can you do less of the tweets or less of this? do you see any of that? >> what the president sees is the effort that he put in in the last six or eight weeks -- >> he only sees the positive side of things. >> he did more campaign stops than either of his two predecessors combined. he was on the road. very active -- >> a lot of candidates didn't want him around, though. >> and the vice president did a lot of stops as well and the president said, i'm not on the ballot but my policies are. so he's very aware that some of those members that lost, lost in places where it was a rebuke of some of the policies, but if you

care about the economy, you care about homeland security and you care about national security, everything is better today than it was two years ago. if you care about the style and you don't like the president's style, that's not going to change. he's not going to drop the twitter account tomorrow and stop tweeting. i think his base is more emboldened than ever. he's stronger with the republicans than he's ever been when you poll them. when it comes to the left, he's more vilified than ever there. so its really about the middle. the american people, those independents, those moderates have to decide what issue is most important to them. if its homeland security, economic security nieshl security they have to decide if they want to support this president moving forward. >> they -- it does -- does he believe somehow these elections were taken from him? he's like talking about election fraud as if its something that's very common. >> i don't think so. >> is that just chum for the base? >> when you look at now two counties in florida, the same counties that always seem to

have problem, the question is, why haven't we done better? two years ago after he won the election, did we have integrity in the balloting process, were the results appropriate, was there an outside spoforce from russia or china or some where else? we can't count our own ballots. we're the greatest country in the world and we can't count our own ballots. >> is there to go immediately to fraud you spin -- you sort of spin up your folks and people assume the worst? there might be some incompetence -- he's within his legal right to get a machine recount. it fell within the law. >> absolutely. what's going on in florida, i don't think senator elect scott or ron desantis -- no one's made a claim -- >> they're alluding that it

could happen which is a way -- i'm not saying that i'm saying it could be. i mean -- when you do that -- that conditions people to think the worst. >> the reason they're doing is that because an attorney for bill nelson went into court and said there are individuals who are not u.s. citizens and we want to have them recounted. you can look at that and say, why would an attorney for an incumbent u.s. senator who's here we want to have noncitizen ballots counted? >> do you really think he meant for noncitizens? >> maybe he made a mistake and they clarified it. we've also heard that there's a number of ballots that were put back in that maybe shouldn't have been counted. this integrity is in the process is the most important thing. >> on one hand i could look at some of your path and say things got better, the place like ohio looks more locked down.

you guys held in iowa with the governorship. a lot of us assumed that if this was a good democratic night, the republicans would fall. do you think we got to-to-play -- common sensitive defense than we expected. >> its going to go through florida and north carolina. that's going to go through there. we know georgia has become much more competitive i think. kemp is going to be the governor for two years there. the republicans loss wisconsin -- >> why do you think that happened? >> i think there's voter fatigue. the message that donald trump has that does not necessarily translate to individual other candidates. its very true with barack obama. people voted for him but when he campaigned for others it didn't correlate the same way. losing seven governors races and

having to be out in south dakota campaigning for the republican governor the day before should be a wake up call to the republican party. i also look at the states like new mexico and arizona and nevada. places where the state party needs to do a better job of recruiting good candidates, making sure there's not a competitive primary process for those candidates and having the resources necessary in states where the demographics are changing considerably to make sure they're reaching out for those new demographics. >> making it harder to find a latino candidate that feels comfortable in the president's party. >> in arizona, the senator elect said i supported putting military troops on the border. the state of the arizona is the front line of the issue of immigration. there is a reason where she said that. doug doocy the governor of arizona won by a wide margin. republicans have to dissect that and see why. >> why did the first lady have

to go public with the -- with what's going on in the white house? is the president not listening? >> i look back at nancy reagan and how hillary clinton was very much involved in the day-to-day operations of the white house. this is not uncommon. melania trump is a private person and when she she's something when she wants to weigh in on, she's done it. she's done two separate interviews now when she said there are people in the white house that don't belong and that's going to come to a change pretty soon. >> john kelly going to be chief-of-staff by the end of the year? >> i have no idea. the nancy pelosi fight. lots of democrats claim they want her out and they want a new speaker, but who? as ruth marcus said earlier, you can't be somebody with nobody. stay with us. i was just finishing a ride. i felt this awful pain in my chest. i had a pe blood clot in my lung. i was scared. i had a dvt blood clot. having one really puts you in danger of having another.

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welcome back. many newly elected house democrats pledged on the campaign trail to oppose nancy pelosi for speaker but it looks like she's going to end up clinching the gavel any way. she's busy courting incoming democrats. there's not one human being has stepped up to actually announce a challenge to her. so, what will democrats calling for new leadership do?

joined now by brian higgins, he was among the incoming democrats who went public in their opposition to nancy pelosi and he joins me now. congressman, good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> you were pretty candid when you first went public as to why you thought its time for new leadership, you were worried that the leadership was out of touch with some of these -- frankly, some of these communities that are similar to what you represent in western new york. you were talking about its not just pennsylvania, its the lancaster, pennsylvania, its not just new york, its the buffalo's new york's. what's changed in six months? >> nothing. first of all, congress is the most powerful branch in the federal government and the house is the most powerful branch of congress. we have extraordinary constitutional powers that are not being utilized because too much power has been consolidated under the leadership. there was a time here where

committees like the ways and means committee hit a very significant traditional role and they worked in a bipartisan matter. that's gone. congress members in the committees have been marginalized and i just -- i ran to use the power of this office to change my community and to change the country and i don't think its happening under this current leadership. >> congressman, thank you for articulating it that way. i've thought -- i've said there's only four positions that matter in congress of the 535 members and that is the two leadership positions, the ranking and the majority leader, whatever it is. we call it speaker of the house side. they call all the shots. let me ask you this, i hear a lot of grumbling. i've heard grumbling from the new members and the old members. nobody seems to have the guts to step up. why is that? >> its early in the process. the elections were just concluded. there are six weeks left before

the new year. a lot is going to happen over the next several weeks. i have a preference, a lot of people are talking about karen bass out of california. karen was a former assemble speaker in california. we served on two committees. she's a leader within the congressional black caucus and a lot of people are excite ed abouther. i think, what has to be determined is -- nancy pelosi's a very powerful individual. no question about it. i think you will see openings, potentially, where candidates will begin to emerge if there is questions about her viability becoming speaker. >> she's making the case that her experience having been there before, having frankly seen what its like to lose the majority and sort of fight to get it back that she's learned some lessons from the previous time. why not give her a second chance? what's the downside in your mind of giving her a second chance?

>> because she's talking -- let me just, first of all, say this, i don't have a strong personal relationship with leader pelosi. those that do say she's a good person of integrity. that is indisputable. i have a problem with the management, leadership style that consolidates power under their office and marginalizes members and committees. we've been talking about lowering prescription drug prices for 20 years. prescription drug prices are at a 20 year high. you want to help people or protect people with preexisting conditions, let them buy medicare at 50. there are things -- everybody knows what we're against, but not enough people in the country know what we're for and i think we need a leadership that's willing to work in a bipartisan manner to raise the level of approval of the performance of the united states congress, because as you know, right now its deplorable and i think that we're stuck in this place that

is entirely inconsistent with the constitutional powers that we have. article i of the constitution is dealing with the congress for a reason. its thought to be closest to the people, most representative and its most powerful in terms of making a budget, in terms of making laws. we have been marginalized by the white house over a couple of decades. i'm just simply saying, its time for house democratic majority members to reassert their authority as individual members in the committee. i did hear nancy pelosi saying today that that's exactly what she wants to do. keep in mind, she's been in that position for 16 years and its not changed and i just think that we can do better in terms of holding up something affirmative for the american people to support as opposed to just, you know, exclusive resistance to the trump agenda. >> it certainly looks like there's a leadership slate being

offered, right, that this isn't a real competition i think hoyer doesn't have any real competition, but it does and yes there's three candidates for triple c chair. it does seem as if that there isn't an atmosphere of getting anybody to run. is there at a price paid by being so publicly critical of your leader? >> i don't. its based on a legitimate issue and that is the ability to reassert the historic, constitutional role of congress. so whatever the price is, its a price worth paying. i think that is, you know -- what i'm saying and other people are saying -- perhaps a lot of other people are feeling and are just not comfortable saying as of yet. when you have a lot of people maneuvering for these leadership positions, they're all positioning themselves to at some point ascend to the office

of speaker or majority leader. if its determined mathematically that the democratic leader doesn't have the vote to be speaker, you watch. a lot of these people will rise and become candidates. this is not the end of the process, this is the beginning of the process. >> so you -- okay. so you think what happens in late november may not be the final word if she is your candidate for speaker? >> i think that there is plenty of game left in this process. you just had all the new members come in today for the for the time. it was very celebratory. a lot of these folks campaigned on a platform of change. i just think, you know, if we reach back to what was versus moving forward to what could be, i think we'd make a mistake potentially and we threaten the viability or the sustainability of a democratic majority. >> congressman, thanks for

coming on. much appreciated. >> thank you. up ahead, two more big names in the senate with their eyes on the pennsylvania avenue prize. i just got my ancestrydna results: 74% italian. and i found out that i'm from the big toe of that sexy italian boot! calabria. it even shows the migration path from south italia all the way to exotico new jersey! so this holiday season it's ancestrydna per tutti! order your kit now at ancestry.com ♪

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that may want to move from one side of the aisle to the other. brown, eight days after thinks revictory and two days after his wife tweet that had he's thinking about weighing for president well he wade in on the georgia governor's race. >> if stacey abrams doesn't win in georgia, they stole it. its clear. i say that publicly. its clear. they can't win elections because there's way more of us than there is of them. if they can't win elections fairly, they win by redistricting and voter suppression. >> its a strong accusation, stole just as we're dealing with all the rhetoric that the president's throwing in there about fraud. this is the time to use the s word. brown spoke about an election mired in suppression and that he spoke at a conference hosted by the national action network. could be an attempt to reach out to minority voters who's support he would need. as for brown's senate connelly,

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again, first name, i've seen produced, karen bass. >> that's interesting. >> it's an interesting name for all the reasons he said. he missed one. not only she the former assembly speaker in california, not an easy task. guess who was the republican speaker. >> kevin mccarthy. also i said before, i don't think you invented the phrase, you can't get something from nothing. if you're going to run somebody against nancy pelosi, you might be smart to pick a woman. >> the karen bass thing was fascinating to me. if you're going to oppose her, i think karen bass is somebody who grew up in california politics. do we think she'll be comfortable going up against nancy pelosi? >> i'm going to go with no. he's throwing stuff on the water there. >> the other interesting comment was his remark is that he doesn't have a personal relationship with nancy pelosi. he's been there since being

elected in 2004. there have been fewer than 200 house democrats, let alone the one who is have stayed around this many terms. the fact he doesn't have a relationship with her and speaking of her the sort of distant ruler from ae' resistane conference. >> i want to change gears here a bit. jeff flake fried to get unanimous consent for his mueller protection bill. he didn't get it. jeff flake decided, he must have read a new york times op-ed that complained about his book. listen to how he responded. take a listen. >> one further note on this consent request that has just failed today. senator coons and i are prepared to make it again and again until there's a vote on this vital bipartisan legislation on the senate floor. i have informed the majority

leader that i will not vote to advance any of the 21 judicial nominees or vote to confirm the 32 judges await confirmation on the senate floor until s2644 is brought to the full senate for a vote. >> ruth marcus, do you know how many liberals have been calling for jeff flake to do that. wondering if he's got complaints, use his power. >> the endless question. it's all on my twitter feed. threatening to vote against the nominees already at the floor, very nice. might make twitter happier. won't have a big impact assuming he doesn't get any colleagues to go along with him. this is going after the majority leader where it hurts him on one of the things he cares about most which is getting those judges done. bottling them up in committee is

a bigger real world threat. there's a mechanism to discharge those, get those folks out of committee even if you don't have a majority vote. i'm not sure if you can do that without senator flake exceeding to that even if he's not going to vote for them. that's like an actual threat that could slow down the process. it would be a bigger threat if the senate republicans have lost the majority. >> it delays it. >> mitch mcconnell may have one more vote for judges and one less need for a lisa murkowski if these run offs go the way hopes. >> that's right. it will be a hassle for the senate republicans because they want the next two years plus to be a conveyor belt for trump judicial nominees. >> it also eats up time. >> it's not like they have a ton of plans they want to get done in next year. this is first order of business. >> this is the last impression jeff flake will leave with the

public as a senator and we know he's interested in running for something. >> yeah. it's procedural and difficult to explain but if he can cast it as on my way out the door, i took a bunch of hostages and amade mitch mcconnell sit there and listen to my argument why you wouldn't advance legislation that says the justice department should be able to do what the justice department regulations already say it should do and not give an outside party free rein to fire a special counsel. what they are talking about here in the mueller protection bill isn't any ironclad guarantee that mueller sticks around. it's a level of -- >> it's like a little sense of the senate. it didn't seem that difficult although i think going against judges is not the way to challenge a republican in a primary. thank you very much. we'll be right back. ary. thank you very much. we'll be right back. building a better bank

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