mtp daily starts now. hi, chuck. >> i guarantee you did not have the conversation we had around this table, which was our memories of growing up watching "hee haw." i'm just saying. >> we were talking about wine. >> that's very new york of you. >> my love for wine. >> that's you new york elitists talk wine, we here talk "hee haw." thank you, nicole. well if it's thursday, i am picking and he's grinning. ♪ good evening. i am chuck todd in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." if it is thursday, the president is lashing out at the mueller probe. well, that could be any day. it is as if he took the last 18 months of attacks on mueller and

condensed them into the last 24 hours. total mess. absolutely nuts, disgrace to our nation. angry people. highly conflicted. total witch hunt, democratic thugs, pure harassment, horrible, protecting crooked hillary, illegal, even saw peter strzok in a cameo. we know a lot of folks in washington, a lot of yours reporters are bracing for the possibility of more indictments sooner rather than later, especially after one of roger stone's associates said investigators told him he will be charged with purerk re. mueller's grand jury meets friday's. a source says he was about to submit answers to questions. we don't know what the answers say, the president does, and he really knows now what the

questions are. sounded irritated by the questions. we know the president has mueller on the brain when it comes to the new acting attorney general. when asked about the quote, current thinking on the ag position, in an interview with "the daily caller" it was clearly about who he would nominate to be the next one, not the current one. the president pivoted that the probe is illegal. the president is unloading on mueller as his allies in the senate fight efforts to advance bipartisan legislation aimed at protecting the investigation from the president's interference. >> when you have the attorney general fired and the oversight moved to someone that's not received senate confirmation, that expressed open hostility to the mueller investigation, then there's a problem. and i think most of our colleagues feel the same way. >> we know how the president feels about the mueller investigation but he has never said he wants to shut it down. i've never heard anybody down there say they want to shut it

down. i think it is in no danger, so i don't think any legislation is necessary. >> onto cincinnati. the president said he wants to shut down the probe. he actually has said this. he was clear about it, telling his attorney general to quote, stop this rigged witch hunt right now. last we checked, that was likely an order. his lawyer said the following. mueller should be suspended. so that apparently is the missing evidence some in the senate need to see. it is the official white house position that the mueller probe should end. but folks there's a lot we don't know which brings me to the av't seen in months the top of on the mueller probe. why? joined by susan page, bill crystal, and cornell belcher. susan, i mean, it is one of those no, he is on the tirade. there's always a reason for the

tirade, and we don't quite yet know but think we do. >> well, we think that the special counsel mueller kept things quiet, didn't think he would do anything in the final weeks before the midterm elections. that's now over. the field is clear for him to do whatever it is he is going to do, and we certainly expect that to happen soon. it sounds like the president expects it to happen soon. >> it was a fascinating, if you read that interview, it is more reminders that the friendlier for the environment for the interview, the more trouble he gets into. he just says stuff. clearly the reporter is asking about chris christie and writes could you tell us what your thinking is on the attorney general position. and he goes right to mueller. whitaker is just somebody that's very respected, look, as far as i am concerned this is an investigation that should have never been brought, should have never been had, it's something that should have never been brought, it is an illegal

investigation. does that quote, bill crystal, need to be delivered to mitch mcconnell? >> if you're the president of the united states and think an investigation in department of justice which ultimately reports to you is illegal, you probably are saying -- >> has he ordered the end of the investigation in your mind? >> no. but i am worried in this respect. what did he do, what is the first thing after election day, he accepted sessions' forced resignation. and people aren't aware how extraordinary this was, put whitaker as acting attorney general. rosenstein would have been next in line, that's the way it happens, you could have made the solicitor general acting attorney general, that wouldn't be out of the ordinary. bring in a nonsenate confirmed, your political guy whitaker got the job because he defended trump on tv enough that trump said make him chief of staff, then was kind of a white house

spy. so whitaker is the acting attorney general. and that's the state of play. the senate won't protect mueller. so far we have no insistence that whitaker recuse himself. you have no outcry among republicans that whitaker shouldn't be acting attorney general at all, leave aside the confirmation. he is acting attorney general of the united states of america. that's kind of an important job. you go to national security council meetings. >> you're on the national security council. >> right. thinking back to when i was there, you have a lot of responsibilities. he is running the justice department. everyone is like i guess it is okay, nothing will happen. now congress is gone, going out today for two weeks with whitaker as acting attorney general in charge or supervisoring the mueller investigation. >> lindsey graham gave a report that he met with whitaker, lindsey graham who has been supportive of getting the mueller investigation to its end, he says and cornell does this make you feel better, every confidence about whitaker.

he will make reasoned decisions when the time comes and the investigation is not in jeopardy, that he is also the acting ag. >> in a word, no. >> but lindsey is trying. this is the new lindsey trying to strike this balance of helping the president apparently. >> we don't know who lindsey is any more. this is the same guy said there would be hell to pay and then there's not. i think back to those from election day when we saw americans and exit polls saying they want a check on trump. and this is the sort of behavior, understanding why they want a check on trump. and to all of those once upon a time red suburbs that went blue, this is the sort of angst that's out there about a president being under control, i mean out of control. we can read too much into being a pro-democrat way, but it was an anti-trump way all parts of the country. >> better way of describing it. susan, mueller isn't supposed to pay attention to polls and all

of this stuff, but how much political capital does he have? we ask this, throw up a poll. 46% is familiar to a lot of us, we know what his basis, 46%. 46% republican number. 46% job rating. but it is 41%. an indictment of roger stone, is that going to cut it as far as credibility for bob mueller? >> you know where bob mueller has high credibility? that would be in washington, every place except the white house in washington, and that would be among democrats and among republicans. he is a universely accepted figure. he has run an air tight ship. the leaks we heard from his investigation involved not his folks but lawyers for targets and people that went there and testified. and i think the washington community understands that, so he has a huge amount of

credibility. now what happens if the president takes action, what are the possibilities how washington could respond, what are the possibilities where bob mueller would respond. i don't have any doubt bob mueller knows what he would do in that situation. >> why do we think trump hasn't done it. the guy touches hot stoves and says i'll do it again. this one is all, it feels like it is all bluster. i understand were senate republicans are saying this is one of his soap boxes, we're not so worried about it. that's been the white house defense. he could have done this months ago and didn't. >> it is a question whether he could have done it without having sessions and rosenstein gone. then there's pressure not to fire rosenstein. and not to fire sessions. sessions is now gone and rosenstein is now has a superior, this guy whitaker. he tried to get mcgahn, white house counsel to move on this a year ago, and he said you can't do this, threatened to resign.

mcgahn is now gone. i think it is worrisome. maybe he's i mpelled to hurry u or let whitaker do whatever curbing of the investigation whitaker will try to do. it is hard to do is the good news. and the justice department is a professional place. i don't think it is easy for whitaker to stroll in and give orders, they would resign in mass if he tried to corrupt the investigation, but we know what trump would like. >> eric swallow has an idea, house democrat from california, one of the 75 people thinking about running for president now. not kidding. bob casey jr. on the list today. usa today with accurate -- it happens all the time. he has an idea about how to force a senate vote on the mueller protection bill.

take a listen. >> republicans have not been able to use their own majority to pass a budget in two years, they needed democratic votes. we're going to insist if you want democratic votes to cross the aisle, the rule of law is so important that you must protect mueller in that budget legislation. so we're willing to work with them on that. if they're not protecting bob mueller, they have to find votes on their own. >> there's some must pass legislation before the end of this congress. that's how you use leverage. >> that is how you use leverage. and senate democrats, it is what the basis wanting for so long is for this sort of action. i would be surprised if they didn't do it. >> you think they will go down this road. >> i think they will. and i think the election results, they held and some red places remained red, but if you look at the map, schumer and democrats will say there's an

overwhelming majority of voters who want us to put a check on trump. i don't think we get in any political danger by pushing this and saying we're trying to put a check on trump and protect rule of law. i think it is a win-win for democrats. >> how would mcconnell respond? >> mcconnell has pretty much stood firm against the idea there's any need for any protection, so -- and mitch mcconnell doesn't care what you think about him. it is not like -- i think my read would be it is unlikely he is willing to bring it to the floor for a vote. >> but the budget. >> in the absence of action. >> he could refuse to bring it to floor. if you had the republican conference vote, 4 of 11 on the judiciary committee voted for the legislation. you project that to the -- if the democrats say sorry and turns out you can get 10 or 15 republicans to vote for adding

this to a must pass spending legislation, it could happen. mcconnell could say mr. president i did my best. >> it is interesting. same way democrats feel embolden, we got the voters, i think the president thinks the senate republicans owe me their majority, without me, got them fired in tennessee and missouri and indiana. and mcconnell is acting like somebody, you know, the trump base did save the senate. >> i think the map saved the senate. >> fair enough. >> i think the map saved the senate. when you look at places like arizona, arizona, nevada, colorado, the writing is on the wall. i think what trump does is the base and what he threatens is not in the general election but primaries, i think you have a lot of republicans that will stay in line with this president because frankly they know that the core base of the republican party is trump's party, not theirs. >> i go back to the man who

stood up for jeff flake when we started this. on one hand, he stood up to the president and lost his political career in the republican party because of it. he is a walking example of what happens when you try to distance yourself from this president, criticize him as a republican, what happens to you. >> the only people that distanced in the republican party are people walking away, not running for re-election. >> the president would say mike coffman. carlos curbelo. >> can't wait to have that first meeting. who says there would be no love. but that's one of the surprises of the past two years, republicans that plan to stay in the party, have political careers, run for office have been to a person unwilling to -- >> wishful thinking on my part, but last week feels different. i have gotten calls out of the

blue from republican senators, one i don't know that well. you did polling in new hampshire and iowa, what are the opportunities, thinking about helping themself or other people do it. >> casing. >> i was in new hampshire. people are not saying oh my god, you can't conceive it. that election day was a big deal. it wasn't overnight, 180 degrees but began to chip away at the sense we have to stick with trump. now they're looking forward and thinking we're going to lose in 2020. >> there's a lot of elected that decided look at rick scott. lose with him or without him, you decide. it is easier to stay with him. >> we don't know if rick scott won. >> you let me know the recount that turns 13,000 votes. stick around. when we come back, she has been at the center of democratic politics for years.

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that was current house democratic leader nancy pelosi, sounding bullish about her chances to become the next house speaker. the anti-pelosi might have a candidate. martha fudge. she is not in yet, may not get in. but the former black caucus chair said she's overwhelmed with support from fellow democrats for a speaker's bid. there's already a handful of moderate na moderate democrats that say they're voting against pelosi. she could swing some members of the black caucus. here's the current chairman. >> i don't have thoughts on it. i think nancy would be a great speaker, i really do. i think marsha would be a great speaker. i am not anti-pelosi but whatever marsha does, i'm very pro-marsha. i haven't seen that marsha is running for speaker. >> that was a very political answer. with us tonight, someone that knows about internal democratic

politics and other things, chair of the democratic national committee, debbie wasserman schultz. she joins me now. how are you? >> doing well, thanks. >> take us inside the room. i haven't seen it on the record, are you a public vote for nancy pelosi? >> i am a public vote for nancy pelosi, yes. >> how serious should she take the martha fudge challenge? >> well, i'm confident that nancy pelosi takes any challenge seriously. there's no better politician than nancy pelosi, and no better vote counter than nancy pelosi, so if someone runs, whether it is marsha or anyone else, i'm sure she will run the race like anyone. >> you spent time with democratic challengers that said i am not supporting nancy pelosi. how would you make the case to them that i know what you had to say on the trail or you may think these things about her, how would you make the case to a

weary democrat, like slotkin, i made this pledge, there needs to be leadership. what's the case? >> the case is clear. nancy pelosi is a good portion of the reason that we had the issue that won these seats for so many of these members. we have 35 pickups as of now. we had a huge victory across america. that was primarily over protecting pre-existing conditions and making sure people have access to health care. she was architect of passage of the affordable care act. she deserves and gets credit for that. >> extraordinarily painful process for anyone that wants to rewatch those episodes. january to march of 2010 if you rewatch episodes and binge watch the democratic party back then, you would learn that. >> it was just like most legislative processes, you don't want to watch sausage be made. at the end of the day, we add 20

million people who didn't have health care before who now do and that means when they're sick, they can afford to go to the doctor, they have coverage for birth control and makingth not for nancy pelosi's leerip in the majority in january without her leadership. >> what do you say to constituents that say all right, but really? i voted for change and keep looking around, it is the same people. and i'm not saying people know who these folks are, but there's no new change. what do you say to where's the new leadership? >> i haven't needed to say it nor have most members because that's not what we're talking to constituents about. when i go home, my constituents are talking about making sure that we can have balanced tax policy so it is not just millionaires and billionaires. make sure we cover more people

with the affordable care act. making sure we have a focus on continuing to strengthen our economy but not at the expense of people trying to reach the middle class. trying to address the unbelievable gun violence in this country, putting a halt through having common sense safety reforms and law. >> you know what you didn't say, investigations and trump accountability. i know you don't hear that a lot on the trail, at the same time, some of the biggest donors expect this. what's that balance? >> certainly the republicans over the last two years have seated any of their legislative authority and just let donald trump and the executive branch run amuck. we are going to reassert our role and hold this administration accountable because he has literally had an executive that's run amuck.

>> what's the balance. we had a scroll of 85 different investigations that various members talked of wanting to do. we know everybody has their pet issue with him, probably in your 230 plus caucus these days. how do you prioritize. >> 235. making sure that, one, the mueller investigation is allowed to continue. that's incredibly important. making sure that we have the ability to get to the bottom, the real bottom of what happened with the russians who were absolutely clearly trying to influence the outcome of our presidential election in 2016, and making sure this president who has consistently violated the emoluments clause and is profiting off the presidency, we hold him accountable for that. those are the few things i can think of. primarily, our members are coming to congress to make sure we can take care of people, make their lives better and not just take care of the wealthy which is what the republicans have done. >> let's go to your home county.

this just in from secretary of state, it is official, second set of returns says two hand recounts are ordered for the u.s. senate race and senate agriculture race. >> statewide. >> statewide. at what point do you say 12,000, that's a big number. at what point is it appropriate to say you know what, i can't, the numbers aren't there. i don't know the recount. yank i can't think of a recount with that many votes. at this point, how would you handle this? >> at the point that every vote lawfully cast is counted, and look, we have some pretty significant ptsd from 18 years ago in 2000 when we had a president that was selected by the u.s. supreme court, then by the voters of florida, had we had a real recount, a full and thorough recount, we probably would have had a different outcome. i know i have been an elected official since then and i know i was committed through all those

years to make sure that never happened to us again. we reformed the recount process and have it uniform, all 67 counties go through that process. if you're less than a quarter percent, then you go through manual recount. you don't go through all the ballots, you go through ballots with a problem or issue. that's what each county will be doing. >> broward county, some of the criticism is hyperbole, just is, because it is a little ptsd from 2000. but there seems to be why is it always broward, that's the perception. what would you say to that? >> all i know is that rick scott, our governor, put his own division of election monitors into the supervisor of elections office in broward's office since the spring and they have found absolutely nothing wrong with the administration of this election. we have had no wrongdoing. there is no investigation because there's nothing to investigate. >> what is it, is it too much?

too many votes? >> the state of florida needs to look at the quality of the equipment because a lot of the equipment the large counties use is antiquated, has had difficulty when you have a massive turnout churning through that many votes to make sure they can get done by deadlines, they should look at the deadlines themselves because in a situation like this, we always have close elections in florida. >> and the big counties always get the most attention. >> yeah. 8 million vote in this election, and huge number of those in our three counties in south florida. >> is there one good fix you would push if you were in the state legislature? >> i would make sure funding is there. how about for starters that we not zero out election assistance commission funding so we can provide resources to supervisors of elections so they can fund equipment and make sure they can have a comprehensive, thorough, efficient recount and initial

count. >> i want to ask a question. we are two years removed from the wikileaks explosion. there's coverage in the moment of it all. and then there's stepping back and realizing oh my god. how do you remember that, and when you go back, what do you want out of the mueller probe, is it vindication, is it justice? i look back, if i were in your shoes, i would be going you know, that was -- now people may get a sense of what a crazy new media hurricane that was, but in the moment, i don't think any of us knew what we were dealing with. >> this is certainly in the aftermath never been personal for me. i'm an american. i'm a member of the u.s. house of representatives. >> you were targeted in ways that seemed to be beyond the pale. >> i was. but at the end of the day my job as a member of congress which has always been my primary responsibility is to make sure that we can preserve and protect the integrity of our elections. having a president that won't

even acknowledge that we actually were attacked and that our elections were influenced inappropriately, unacceptably by a foreign enemy state, that's what the investigation is all about and we have to make sure we never allow it to happen again and take steps necessary to do that. >> i am curious, does it make you want to work with the other side less because of the way they treated you or not? >> you mean the republicans? absolutely not. it is my responsibility to reach across the aisle, develop and build relationships that i can. i have many republican friends, a lot of them play on our softball team. looking forward to beating the press. a lot of good recruits with skills. >> you get younger. that's tough for our crowd. >> so this is about working together, reaching across the aisle. i hope my republican colleagues want to join us trying to make sure we can work together to advance an agenda that helps people reach the middle class and achieve the american dream.

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welcome back. as florida prepares for a hand recount in its senate race, the governor's race in georgia is still undecided and it is getting even more contentious as we speak in gwinnett county.

the only county that still hasn't certified its election results. they're holding a certification meeting now. in the words of one atlanta-journal constitution reporter, the meeting is, quote, getting rowdy. as for the race, kemp leads abrams by about 54,000 votes, but that's not the issue. the abrams camp is holding out hope of getting just enough votes that drops him below 50%, kemp that is, and triggers a runoff. with me now, political reporter for atlanta-journal constitution. greg, i guess we're trying to understand where are we in this process and are we overcovering this, meaning are we leading people to believe as likely he drops below the runoff threshold as it is that he stays where he is or are we on a 5% chance type of trajectory? >> yeah, i go with the latter. abrams has a tall hill to climb. she needs to net 18,000 votes to

force the runoff. and the kemp campaign has consistently said there's not enough votes outstanding still out there. the biggest wildcard is the court cases. if federal judges allow counties to count ballots that were already rejected that are out of the trove, there's a chance for her maybe to makeup some of the ground. and last night we had a ruling that will effect at least a thousand or so ballots, but of course they all aren't necessarily going to go to her. that's why tomorrow is the earliest time the state can certify the votes, that's why chem's people are optimistic that he will end up being the declared winner of the election. >> walk me through what kind of recount options stacey abrams would have because obviously florida is simple, there's no runoff, it is about the margin and less than 2.5 margin, less than a quarter of 1 percent,

they go to recount. what is the margin threshold where stacey abrams could get a state mandated recount? >> great question. i mention 17,700 or so votes is the net she needs to force a runoff. 15,000 or so votes she needs to net to trigger a recount, to let her ask for a recount. >> could she pay for that on her own? some states allow for people to pay for the recount, say if it is just outside the threshold and want to have it done. does she have that option? >> no. in georgia if the race is within 1% or so margin, the state will pay for a recount. that's the only option she has for the recount. she's also looking at legal action. she filed several lawsuits, so have democratic allies of hers, and they've raised the specter

there could be more lawsuits. they talk about widespread voting irregularities and other issues. even if the race is certified tomorrow, that doesn't foreclose her filing more litigation. >> by certifying, i went through this, going back to my 2000s thing, the state has spoken when the certification comes, correct? >> yeah. it is a big deal. even when the county certified earlier this week, it took a federal court order to get them to uncertify the counties briefly so they can count more of the ballots. in this order that came the other day, it involved absentee ballots where voters had the wrong birthdates. counties has certified had to decertify, go back in, make changes, and recertify by tomorrow. you can see how crazy it is getting with the county election officials and rulings,

scrambling everything. >> who could say we'll postpone certification a week, who has the power to do that, does anybody in the state have the power? >> federal court is where that rests. right now, deadline to certify is the last chance georgia has to certify is next week on tuesday. and earliest is friday at 5:00 p.m. if a federal judge says well, now i want counties to take more time, certification won't be until end of next week, not only will that delay things, but georgia has other runoffs scheduled for december 4th for secretary of state and public service commissioner. those schedules could also be delayed if that happens. >> wow. the poor candidates, down the ballot in runoffs, not knowing are 5 people showing up or 5 million showing up. greg bluesteen, what a story. i am sure we will be checking back in. thanks for your expertise and reporting. >> thanks for having me.

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time for the lid. democrats got three pick went off the air. a democrat beat long time congressman dana rohrabacher, big loss for putin. andrew kim is the apparent winner new jersey's third congressional district. defeating incumbent tom macarthur. we use the word "apparent" because the martins are tight and we don't know if there's recounts or concessions. and just a few hours ago, jared golden, we say, is the apparent winner defeating bruce poliquin. they did that instant runoff voting and that's how the numbers broke down. and with those victories, democrats have gained 35 house seats this election. they're right on the over/under

line but there are still six uncalled races so if you took the over, you'll cash that ticket. the panel is back. cornell, we were joking it was the midterms were a christmas or chanukah gift because it seems like we have eight crazy nights going on. we're on the eighth or ninth or tenth night. >> it also speaks of, listen, we're a democracy. we're becoming a rather old democracy. we have to do a better job of counting our votes. >> 115 million people showed up and it turned out it overwhelmed our system. >> and it benefits some people to have our system overwhelmed and it benefits some people to have our system be problematic and i say again, kemp -- >> georgia's brian kemp. >> secretary of state put up all sorts of hurdles of voting. i have a feeling in my heart that -- no stat bus feeling in my heart that if he had not put up those hurdles he may not be governor. >> the problem isn't that you have close races that take a couple days to figure out. >> i'm okay. that's a good thing. >> california, you're not hearing the furor you hear about

florida. the problem with florida is that you're not sure that they are counting all the votes that were cast. it's okay if it takes a couple days. >> in florida it's always what was that ballot design and why did you do that over there? >> my signature isn't matching? >> why is her signature -- >> and who decides if the signature matches. it's not like handwriting experts. >> who knew that was part of the canvassing board qualification process. bill, people can't say why can't we have one uniform system of voting? yeah, let's go to purple ink but that's what makes our system harder to penetrate. >> one look look at other states and say, virginia, where i live had three close mouse races and it seemed to go fine. we had a big turnout. >> virginia handles counts very well. >> we had voter i.d. passed by a republican legislature.

there have been few claims that there is discriminatory or enforced in a discriminatory way and the democrats picked up three house seats so you can combine -- if you want to be stricter on making sure the people voting are the people who say they are without insane you have to have right middle initial instead of your middle name on the driver's license and you can count the ballots quickly, we seem to have done that in virginia. therefore quirks in different state where you mail in the ballot and you have to mail it until election day which means you don't get it until five days later. >> i think it increases our security so there's not one system to hack. i think it's like our federal -- >> but they should imitate -- >> best practices isn't a bad mantra. >> i'm fine with quirks but let's be clear about what is happening in some of these states. people who are trying to make the process harder for other people and you see that in georgia and indian reservations.

i don't disagree. but in maine, it's so interest what they did with rank voting. the idea that it gets you to a consensus candidate. i love the experiment wes see in state december signed to address things people.s we see in state december signed to address things people. >> very quickly, it's a democratic pollster who would be advising clients in 2020. what do you make of the nancy pelosi as speaker argument. there's the political argument and the internal and sometimes the two venn diagrams don'tor lap. >> what's happening to nancy pelosi isn't fair but we work in politics so it's not about fair. obamacare is not obamacare without nancy pelosi. she's an excellent legislator. she is an excellent leader. but the other side of it, there are people out there who say we need younger leadership, we need change in leader shship and thas a worthwhile debate she has been a good leader for the democratic party but i understand the conversation about change and

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well, in case you missed it, there's no wall built. the trump administration has built these prototypes along the border with mexico. that's it. but perhaps your child can make more progress with this maga build the wall building block set. this lego set knockoff is a real product being sold online. i suspect i know where they got the idea. >> build the wall! >> the build the wallet is for ages five and up, unfortunately. just a few more years for the little desantis guy but in this overheated political environment, i'm surprised more children's toys haven't been politicized yet. where's our infrastructure week minu miniature train set, or a congressional lame rubber duck. or set your phasers for a space force atomic ray zapper. approved not by the pew research

center but by the pew pew research center. get it? of course, for misbehaving children i'd just go with a lump of clean coal. that's all for tonight, we'll be back with more "mpt daily" tomorrow. "the beat" with ari mel buber ip next. >> there's no bet place to cover a close race than broward county, florida. >> the florida of florida. good luck, thank you, sir. today is the day. moments ago the state made it official, a second recount in this photo finish senate race and this is by hand. the first recount showed the votes similar to where we were last week. rick scott up 12,603 votes over the democratic senator bill nelson. the margin? 41 votes higher than in the

initial results. talk about a squeaker, but the