>> we can say, i have said repeatedly over the last two months that our source is not the russian government, and it is not a state party. >> good morning. welcome to "am joy." it was supposed to be a secret, but thanks to a court document filed by mistake we have learned that the justice department is preparing to indict julian assange of wikileaks, the platform that published the russian hacked e-mails from hillary clinton's campaign and the dnc in 2016. the clue was found in a motion filed last august in a case unrelated to assange, a case brought by the same federal prosecutor. it's not clear what charges assange may face, but none of this bodes well for the donald trump white house. multiple outlets are reporting that donald trump is deep in his post midterm feelings and is getting nervous as the walls of

the mueller investigation close in. trum happp has slammed the investigation as a total mess, but on friday he said he finished wroting answers to mueller's questions, a feat he did all by himself. >> my lawyers are not working on that. i write answers. my lawyers don't write answers. i write answers. i was asked a series of questions. i answered them easily. you always have to be careful when you answer questions from people with probably bad inen it shup intentions. the questions were routinely answered by me. >> joining me are malcolm nance and jill winebanks and paul butler and scynthia oxney. cynth cynthia, what does it say to you that you have this information that was secretly released.

does it mean it's related to the russia investigation? >> you would assume so. mueller already has the building block. he's indicted the russian government basically for hacking the election. the second block is assange, the top block is are americans helping assange. we're at level two right now if assange is indicted. then we have to look carefully what is the indictment for. assange could be indicted under the espionage act or indicted for hacking into the election. if -- once we know that we'll know more about what mueller is thinking. >> you know, paul, you have got -- let's go through who mueller is investigating when it comes to the release. wikileaks was the conduit to get the dnc, podesta and other information out. roger stone, jerome corsi, he

says he is concerned. sam nunberg, randy credico, and peter w. smith who is deceased, a gop activist. wikileaks made a series of bold requests to -- including asking for trump's tax returns, urging the train ump campaign to rejece poll results as rigged, and then appointed squuli julian assange ambassador to australia. does it stand out he's not on the list of people reached out to? >> as far as we know. this is all about roger stone and donald trump jr., all of these other people who have been called to the grand jury are about getting stone and about getting trump jr. this news about a sealed

indictment in virginia. the court where mueller has brought most of his prosecutions is the federal court in d.c. 678 there's 36 sealed indictments pending right now in that federal court. they may be from mueller's team. they may not be. we don't know. we know 18 sealed indictments have been filed since august. august is the time that the mueller team went on radio silence because of the upcoming midterm elections. it could be everybody knew that after the midterm elections attorney general sessions was on the way out. trump would be able to install his own inside man, as he's done with matt whitaker. mueller, crafty prosecutor, he may have anticipated this and filed all of these sealed indictments in this event. in the event trump would install an attorney general who would

impede the investigation. >> jill winebanks, there is always the threat that the president gets under so much pressure that he decides to try to end the investigation or fire the prosecutor. that's what nixon did. are we at that point now where we should be paying attention to donald trump's twitter handle in case he decides that he's under so much pressure that he tries to oust mueller entirely? >> i know what it feels like to never know day-to-day what's going to happen next. i know that's what the special prosecutor is feeling now in terms of how they go to the office every day and wonder whether tomorrow will be their last in the office. i don't think he'll outright fire mueller. i think what he may do is do the things that whitaker already talked about, defunding it, taking away the staff, controlling the regulations that allow him to investigate certain things, and saying, no, you cannot return an indictment

against that particular person, i don't like this case. so it will be a death by a thousand cuts instead of just beheading the whole team. that's what i fear. >> you know, malcolm, even if he were to do that, there's no reason why a democratic house of representatives could not call mueller and have him testify or find a way to get the information out. the information we already know, it is the series of events that are already on the record. we know on july 18th of 2016, wikileaks confirm ed it hacked 1 gigabyte file and would publish the documents. on july 27th, trump dismisses the idea that russia is behind

the hacking. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> to believe that donald trump knew absolutely nothing about what was going on, you would have to believe his friend, roger stone, his buddy, jerome corsi, his son meeting in trump tower and his son-in-law meeting in trump tower, that no one ever told him that they were trying to access or trying to acquire the e-mails of his political opponent. that strains a lot of credulity. >> you're right, we've been at this for almost two years. i wrote a book about this, outlying what you're seeing here. what's happening to roger stone, julian assange, all of the rest who were the bridge, as i call them, between passing russian intelligence, information from not a russian agency, right, the

internet research agency which is why assange says wasn't russian government. but they are the bridge between russia and the united states. guys like roger stone, for all of his experience, he has no idea the ton of bricks that are about to come down on his head because now robert mueller is using all of the intelligence from our allies, from other countries, from other agencies, and they are -- you know, you can't talk your way out of this. if there's going to be an ind t indictme indictment, he's done. he may as welcome to jesus and confess everything right now. >> the u.s. has been paying attention to julian assange since pfc manning, then bradley manning, now chelsea manning, released to him a tranche of documents related to the iraq war. he became a conduit again when

edward snowden stole information when he was a contractor at the nsa. wikileaks it the conduit. they say they're just a journalistic outfit releasing information that is leaked to them like it would be leaked to the "new york times." the u.s. now has deemed them to be essentially an intelligence asset of a foreign power or a hostile foreign power. can they get out of -- can julian assange get out of this hot water by saying he's just a journalist? >> he would like to. you put your finger on the threshold question, which has been we've been sort of throwing this around for a long time at the justice department. is he a journalist like the "new york times" and just publishing documents? is he an agent fof a fof a fore power? even pompeo agrees he's an agent of a foreign power. that's an important legal dysfunction. what we don't want this case to do is end up hurting things like the "new york times" or the "washington post" who continue to do investigative journalism.

making that threshold decision is an important legal question that needs to have happened it appears that it has. >> i guess, paul butler, that's the question. it's one thing to say journalists get leaks all the time. you have papers like the "washington post" and the "new york times," they get leaks, they will work back and forth with a source to cultivate that source because they want the leak ted information. in this case, the communications seem like coordination between the campaign and members of it and assange and wikileaks. you have roger stone and randy credico, a left of center radio guy discussing the wikileaks plans, as if it's a joint plan. one text message says big news wednesday. meaning he knows that the wikileaks document dump is coming. now pretend you don't know me. stone says to him you died five years ago. he said great, hillary's campaign will die this week.

is what prosecutors need to do is prove wikileaks was a part of the conspiracy rather than a conduit for the information? >> yes, as president trump likes to say, collusion is not a crime, but conspiracy to defraud the united states is a crime. conspiracy to evade federal campaign election laws are a crime. so if these e-mails were hacked with the intent of hurting hillary clinton, that's a campaign contribution, that's a crime to be involved in that, and involved in coordinating the release in ways that would have helped the donald trump campaign. we know roger stone, candidate donald trump senior, they seemed to know when stuff was coming down. they seemed to know when hacked e-mails would be released. again -- some of this came out at opportune times, including after the access hollywood tapes were released. two hours later this damaging

e-mail dump, very damaging to hillary clinton. it sounds like coordination. if roger stone, if donald trump jr., if donald trump sr. knew about it, helped coordinate it, they're guilty of felonies. >> let me read to you a statement. the news that criminal charges have apparently been filed against mr. assange is even more troubling than the haphazard manner in which the information has been revealed. the government bringing criminal charges against someone for publishing truthful information is a dangerous path for democracy to take. is the fact that the u.s. deems wikileaks as an actor here, it does seem when they release things it only hurts one political party, not the other -- the democrats, and it seems to benefit russia, at least they don't release things about russia. >> it does make a difference. we are not sure what the charges against assange might be.

whether they're espionage, or whether they are campaign finance violations. i think paul is absolutely correct. i'm a former board member of the aclu, and i would definitely object to an organization that is a news organization being charged -- we'd be going back to the days of the pentagon papers and elsburg being charged and the "new york times" attacked for publishing information that shouldn't have been brought by the government. if the evidence is he coordinated with the campaign, then he can be charged with campaign violations. that would have no problem with the first amendment. so it does matter how he is charged. what crimes are charged, and whether he is viewed as a foreign entity in cooperation with intelligence operations or whether he is a journalist. >> we are out of time. very quickly, malcolm nance, in your view as an intelligence

professional, is julian assange a journalist or an actor, foreign intelligence actor? >> he's a foreign intelligence asset. he fulfilled that role. when mike pompeo jumped into the cia, one of the first things he said is julian assange is a nonstate intelligence agency. so that means he looked at the information, a huge tranche of information that assange will never know how we got it, but we know every aspect of his life. i'm sure he's aware of that now. >> yeah. >> or he will be. >> he will be. malcolm nance will stay with us. thank you jill wine banks, great panel. up next, the new cia assessment on the assassination of washingt"washington post" jo jamal khashoggi. jal makhashoggi. just have small businesses, it is small businesses. and that's why american express founded small business saturday. so, this year let's all get up, get out and shop small on november 24th.

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the cia is reportedly now concluding what with you social security pukt we suspected in the murder of jamal khashoggi. the cia has high confidence that mohammed bin salman ordered the murder of khashoggi last month. the president says he will be briefed by the cia today. >> the cia will be speaking to me today. we have not been briefed yet.

as of this moment, we were told that he did not play a role. we'll have to find out what they have to say. >> the state department is pushing back on an exclusive nbc report that the trump administration is looking into extraditing a critic of turkish president recep tayyip erdogan, not because the critic has committed a crime but in a way to persuade turkey to ease pressure on the government of saudi arabia over the khashoggi murder. the man wanted by turkish president erdogan is a u.s. green card holder, who has lived in rural pennsylvania for the past 20 years. you may remember his name came up in the early days of the mueller investigation because of allegations that ousted national security adviser michael flynn, who needed guilty to lying to the fbi, was part of a plot to kidnap him and send him back to turkey in exchange for millions of dollars. malcolm nance is back with me,

joining the discussion is evelyn fark farkas. i will play for you, evelyn, the state department spokesperson, she is on the second half of this. the first part that the cia concluded that it was indeed the crown prince who ordered the murder of jamal khashoggi, that we now know, i'm not sure donald trump believes it, but the second part, the reaction of this government, they're considering maybe sending back this man to turkey to appease them so they would appease saudi arabia is extraordinary. let me play you that statement. >> we have received multiple requests from the turkish government, at least over the time i've been here related to

golan. we evaluate the requests for extradition. i've seen some news reports where people are trying to conflate the two. saudi arabia and turkey with khashoggi and golan. >> does this sound to you like there's no relation? these are two u.s. residents, one of whom was murdered, the other of whom the u.s. is considering extra dating to a country that means him ill. >> the relationship is that president trump is bending over backwards trying very hard to ignore the facts which are that the saudi arabian government, the crown prince ordered the murder of jamal khashoggi, a journalist who has a green card and resides in virginia -- or did reside in virginia in the united states. it's inconvenient for president

trump right now because his entire middle east plan, which we don't even know what that is, but his middle east policy hinges on the relationship between jared kushner and the crown prince. the problem is that turkey is led by president erdogan who does not like the crown prince at all, there's a rivalry between turkey and saudi arabia for leadership in the muslim community, global community, essentially what's happening is that the turks are pressing hard. and they will do everything they can to get the crown prince removed from the line of succession. maybe even releasing the tapes that are now secret. they are trying to get the crown prince to admit he is responsible and take a harder line. >> turkey has done everything to get gulen, who erdogan blames

for trying to institute a coup. they tried everything. they arrested an american pastor from north carolina. they tried the carrot and stick approach. they tried everything to get this guy. what is shocking to a lot of people is that the u.s. would consider it knowing they don't want to talk to him. it sounds like they want to do something bad to the guy. here's the former ambassador to saudi arabia, his name is robert jordan. he was on "the last word" on thursday discussing this idea of sending gulen back to turkey. >> this guy should not become a bargaining chip in some game, some monopoly game that this administration is playing with the saudis over turkey. they are not our ally. there's no u.s. national interest at stake here. unless there's an ulterior motive and that may be to curry

favor with the saudis in the khashoggi affair, and if so that's a nefarious motive that needs to be condemned. >> i feel like u.s. redensident will feel less safe between these two incident. your thoughts? >> certainly. and it shows the trump administration has turned into the crown prince's and the government of saudi arabia's lawyers. they're doing everything they can right now to be able to save the crown prince. we have to ask ourselves how does this in any way, shape or form lie in the national interest of the united states to have a policy in the middle east that is so dependant on saudi arabia? why is it that we've gone so far in being so biased in this case that we're putting all our chips in that basket? that was not the policy of the previous administration. in fact part of the reason why the obama administration secured the iran deal was partly because they wanted to have more maneuverability in the middle

east and not be tied down by saudi arabia. we've seen how trump came in, destroyed the deal and triple down on the idea that it is mbs, the 32-year-old murderous crown prince of saudi arabia who is deciding what the u.s. position in the middle east will be. >> to the point, malcolm, they're po tenlt inititential w trade a u.s. redent aftsident a another u.s. resident was murdered by the crown prince. >> we're in a different world right now. it's never been like this. i've been on intelligence operations where we had to isolate hostages, find hostages, hostile government detainees, u.s. intelligence officers taken by hostile governments. we're at the point now that's over and done with the president of the united states is now using peoples status as u.s.

redenr resid residents, and allowing governments to murder one and then start dripping information until it gets to the pressure point where donald trump has to give them something in order to stop the crushing disaster that its going to be when that audio tape or video is released of the murder of khashoggi. right now as evelyn said earlier, we're not just the lawyers for the government of saudi arabia, weir the michael cohen of the government of saudi arabia. there is no way that money is not exchanging hands. this is not interest. this has to be some form of bribery going on there because why would we ever compromise this moral standing that we have held for 200 years within a year? >> evelyn quickly, what does it do to our moral standing that we're willing to trade u.s. residents in this way or consider it? >> let me say, joy -- and you

just corrected t you said consider it. it sounds like the lawyers, the justice department, the state department, the experts are not saying there's a green light, that there's any grounds for deporting this man. i don't think he's in immediate danger. but obviously, as you said, the white house is putting the pressure on. it's appalling. what is a green card worth? the green card means you are a resident, a legal resident of the united states. you have committed no crimes, and that you are seen as a contributing member of our society. you know, it puts all of that in jeopardy. that adds to the big picture that you've talked about a lot on your program. donald trump's attitude towards immigration, towards citizenship, his rabid nationalism, the racism, all of this creates a very uncomfortable picture about what it is to be america and american today. >> before we go, i think it also raises fear in a lot of the

community who are immigrants, citizens with green cards over what is this president willing to do to up wione of our own an what purpose. we know saudi arabia would like us to have a much more threatening posture towards iran. is that what we're looking at here, the end game? iran wants to engineer a certain aggression and that we're willing to play ball even at point of at least discussing trading american residents away? >> the real thing here that we have to keep in mind is that it is not so that the united states needs saudi arabia for this policy of aggression and confrontation with iran. the united states doesn't need that policy. the united states could continue to pursue diplomacy. the previous administration showed that could be successful. we had many problems with iran, those can be resolved diplomatically. it's saudi arabia that needs the united states for i policy of confrontation. we should not be capitulating

our leverage here by going along with what the saudis are saying. >> nor is turkey a good guy hering just because they got that evidence about khashoggi, it doesn't mean they're the good guy, because they were doing everything they can to get this guy, gulen, he's committed no crime. just the fact that we're talking about trading him back or handing him back it's shocking. shocking. let's remember the former national security adviser was accused of potentially rendering the guy for money. this is not what we're about. thank you all for your time. coming up next, democrats won big on midterm election night. a faction of them decided to punch their own party in the face. more "am joy" after the break. ". i've always looked forward to what's next.

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since 2008 when she took the speakers gavel we have 30 fewer seats than we did when she took over. so this hasn't gone well. when you look at the amazing talented leaders in our caucus, including some women, i think you'll see what a new generation of leadership will mean for this caucus and for the democratic party and ultimately for the american people. >> you wouldn't know it from listening to massachusetts democrat seth moulton, but democrats had their best performance since the watergate

class of '74. now he's leading a handful of right of center house of democrats who want to deny the speakership to the woman who helped lead them back into the jori majority twice, nancy pelosi. the get pelosi faction has found a face for their faction that is not white and mail, marsha fudge, who says she is considering it, though nobody can say how many votes they would have. they would need 218, pelosi and fudge met for about 45 minutes on friday. >> we talked about the differences we have. i think we had a very, very good meeting. >> okay. >> i'm going to continue to see. >> let's bring in michael steele, donna edwards, and jason

johnson. i'm not sure where to begin. let's start with you, michael. you more than anyone elsewhere the architect of the pelosi strategy in 2010. you know, much of the reason that the wave happened in 2010, partly was the tea party, partly a real vitriol against president obama, but you directed that energy against nancy pelosi. ever since then the people who have bought into that anti-pelosi feeling, the only people more fervant than the tea party folks who brought into it are more democrats. >> i know. >> they said, oh my god, people don't like nancy pelosi, she's got to go. you're responsible for this. >> i know. >> you need to explain to me why did your tactic work so well on democrats? >> i'm still trying to figure that out myself. >> you want to be chairman of another party?

you seem to be good at running the democratic party. >> i think that's right. here's my thing, my strategy in 2010 was not exclusively political it was also respecting the center of power in washington. i watched nancy pelosi. i've known her from our political stage here in maryland. >> she's originally from your state. from maryland. >> she's from baltimore. from a strong, smart political family. i have a great deal of admiration for her capabilities. i respect what nancy pelosi brings to the table. i don't think donald trump, who is totally clueless about nancy pelosi. his tweets say nancy, i can get you the job. >> right, buddy. she needs your help. when she gets the job, and she will get the job, let's be clear about this she will get the job, when she gets it, mr. trump, you don't know the hurt you're about to feel, my friend. you do not understand. she is precise.

she's very smart. she's tactical. i say that out of respect as an opponent of nancy pelosi's. and the reframed argument in 2010 around her, because she was the architect -- she structured that democratic strategy in 2009 and 2010. she was the power center much more than barack obama. you play to the strength. you don't play to the weakness. i play to the strength in 2010. it still surprises me that democrats are taking that strategy and using it against one of their own. >> very quickly before i go to everyone else, michael. you had the job of rnc chair. when your party does not have the white house, who is the leader of the other party? when one party has the white house, which figure is the leader of the other party? >> typically the minority leader. >> is it more the speaker of the house than it is the rnc chair? >> i see where you're going.

on a national stage, yeah. you share that space because you make the political argument that the legislators can't necessarily make. >> right. >> so your voice weighs very favorably in setting that tone politically. you don't -- obviously you won't be on point on legislation. >> right. >> but the political strategy, the political commentary, the framing of the argument in a political context, that is where the dnc/rnc chair will play that role. >> i ask that question for a reason, a lot more people i would argue -- this is not a value judgment on either of them. i guarantee you a lot more people just walking down the street know who michael steele is than nancy pelosi. i doubt that a single person in any state, maybe jason can weigh in on this, when they were going around and people were talking to the constituents, they asked what do you care about, they said nancy pelosi. if she walked up to people who say they hate her they probably

wouldn't be sure who she is. they would say what a nice lady. most americans don't pay attention to who politicians are than the plresident, but they se the rnc chair on television. i don't believe this was the driving issue for anybody. i don't believe that. you were in congress, is it possible to you that the issue for these people -- here's the get pelosi factor. tim ryan and seth moulton, this is the group, you can see them going down. mostly white males. they are called #fivewhiteguys is the nickname for the leaders of this faction. they say she must go because she's somehow destroying the party's image. do you believe that as a former elected official, the thing that's driving america crazy about the democrats is nancy pelosi? >> it's not. the election results tell us that truth. even though ads were run by

republicans in so many of these directs against nancy pelosi, those people actually won their elections. democrats took the majority. not only the majority the largest since watergate, it's the biggest that came in since 2006, the number of seats flipped in 2006 when nancy pelosi first became speaker. let's look at what the real job of the speaker is i served in that leadership circle, it's really to keep democrats together, to hammer out an agenda, to take care of all the various factions of the democratic party, the thousand flowers blooming. nancy pelosi has done that. she was the architect really of the affordable care act. the reason that democrats lost the majority and that michael steele and the tea party were so successful in 2010 was about the affordable care act, was about the opposition of the tea party to that. and the fact is that in 2018 the

reason that democrats took the majority is because it was the affordable care act. i think it's important for us to have leadership that knows what it's doing, especially in the face of a republican controlled senate and a white house that we need somebody who has been there, a proven leader, battle tested, and who can take on these republicans and work on an agenda that the voters voted for. they were not voting about the speaker or the house, they were voting for an agenda on healthcare and affordable prescription drugs, building roads and bridges, creating jobs and reforming the political system. this is what this election was about. >> jason johnson, when you were out there on the campaign trail were people telling you the thing they were voting about, the thing that was driving them and making them stand in the line was nancy pelosi? >> they didn't care about nancy pelosi, they didn't care about russia, they didn't care about

most of the d.c. nonsense. the kind of person motivated by anger and vitriol against nancy pelosi would be voting republican any way. the biggest concern i have about this -- i think it's always good to have a war time concicliary, you to have somebody step up. all these five white guys coming forward, none of them have said they will run. they want to hide behind ma rshrmarcia fudge. if you have a problem with nancy pelosi, step up, otherwise you're just talking. >> when we come back i want to talk about that. not only have th the #fivewhiteguys, it's seth moulton and tim ryan, to jason's point none of them want to run, they have decided to step behind and push to the front

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okay, my panel is back with me. jason johnson, you've got seth moulten and tim ryan and others pushing marsha fudge out front. they're saying they want new leadership. she's a wonderful person, but she's 66, about the age of hillary clinton. she's not new. she's won elections by 80% margins every time. why do you suppose she is being pushed forward as the face? she says she's considering it. why do you suppose she's being pushed forward? >> i suspect there is other people behind it. i think this might be clyburn, him asking her to step forward and challenge nancy pelosi so pelosi will support him. i think there's a lot going on

behind the scenes here. marsha fudge doesn't want to be speaker. when she says that people have been asking, i think those people are one or two people who want to make sure they secure nancy pelosi's power. i think a lot of this is democrats negotiating, playing up whatever kind of strengths they have. and let's think about what this also is long term. whour name your own price, everyone's like, well, i'll support you if you give me this, give me that committee. i think martha fudge will slowly slide away as it becomes clear that pelosi will be leader and she'll support clyburn and hoyer. >> you have cedric richmond, a current cbc chair saying, she might actually have the votes. is that realistic? is it realistic that -- and, again, she is a great person. usually to be speaker, you've raised millions of dollars for the other members. you have backed members,

travelled the country for members. you get to be speaker because you put that out there and you're somebody that can get people money and get people elected. i mean, i think cindy hoyer sounds like the -- i wonder why people don't look at hoyer who is one year older. why isn't nancy pelosi that's the focus and not someone like hoyer or clyburn who have been around a long time too? >> it leaves one to wonder who is really moving the chess pieces around. look, i think that to be the speaker of the house, you have to be willing to go out there and raise that money. nancy pelosi raised something like $135 million that contributed to the democrats wins this year. she goes around the country and helps out candidates. i mean, people who haven't put the work in the trenchestia sho not be elevated to the leadership because nancy pelosi

drove the buggy in, opened up the door to the majority and now you're going to kick her to the curb. it makes no sense and it makes me wonder why -- whether somebody else is moving the chess pieces. if you look at martha fudge, she was a great leader of the cbc but that doesn't mean you'll be a great leader of the speaker of the house. many cbc members have supported nancy pelosi from maxine waters, john lewis, barbara lee, in support of speaker pelosi. i think that pelosi would not be in this fight if she didn't believe she could get the votes. she's going to come out a stronger leader and speaker because of that. so i'm looking forward to the vote. >> i know. i feel like a lot of people are uncomfortable with the idea of trying to pit black women who have genuine ambitions. the party hasn't been good about giving black women power in the

party. using that genuine desire to leverage out the woman and not the guy, i again say sandy hoyer is right there. you want a deputy that's young and new. no one's suggested that. let me ask you this, michael steele, is the idea that the ryan/moulten faction believes if you replace nancy pelosi with a midwestern more conservative speaker that suddenly republicans will vote for democrats because that was done, is that true? >> that's not true, that's id t idiotic. nancy pelosi is in the cross hairs because certain democrats remember how nancy pelosi used her power while she was speaker. she suffered no fools. she got the agenda done between the white house and the week kneed democrats who didn't want to move forward on healthcare. she forged that opportunity. this is what they're afraid of. she is a true power center in

the congress. >> yeah, lightning round. who is going to be speaker in january? >> nancy pelosi is going to be speaker. the only person in danger is clyburn. >> again, sandy hoyer is probably -- i'm not trying -- i'm wondering why he gets skipped? no one mentioned his name. it's really weird. donna edwards? >> nancy pelosi and somebody should take on the only older white guy who is in leadership. >> nancy pelosi. steny has forged relationships with a lot of those members. that's why he's protected himself. >> it's very -- i just find that interesting, that the african-american guy and the woman get challengers and everyone is saying they've got to go in order to save the party's soul. they don't pay attention -- it is -- anyway, got to go. more after the break. thank you, guys. to go. more after the break thank you, guys. (vo) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven

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this is not a speech of concession. because concession means to acknowledge an action is right, true, or proper. as a woman of conscious and faith, i cannot concede that. but my assessment is the law currently allows no further viable remedy. >> welcome back to a.m. joy. stacy abrams historic bid to become america's first woman of

color governor. s for years, kemp used his power as secretary of state to put tens of thousands of voter registrations on hold. his office purged more than a million voters from the rolls since 2012. disproportionately impacting black, latino and asian american voters. during the election, kemp used his power of georgia's elections chief to reject tens of thousands of absentee ballots for minor errors. black voters arrived at their polling places to find out there was no power cords available to plug in the mucheachines. this year, the republican party's twin strategies in state after state were suppressing the vote and stoking racial resentment. take a look. >> the last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda.

>> i got a big truck. just in case i need to round up criminal illegals and take them home myself. yep, i just said that. >> undmore people have lost the right to vote. >> this farce about voter suppression and people being held up from being on the rolls and being able to vote is absolutely not true. >> as worried as we were going into the start of early voting with the literally tens of millions of dollars that they are putting behind the get out the vote efforts for their base. a lot was absentee ballot requests. they have had just an unprecedented number of that, which is something that continues to concern us, especially if everybody uses and exercises their right to vote. >> a group of african-american senior citizens forced off a bus taking them to a polling site after county officials said the event was a prohibited activity.

>> tens of thousands of people are learning they might not be able to vote. voter registrations may be on hold thanks to a state law called exact match. >> they canceled 550,000 voter registrations in georgia. that's brian kemp. he's running for governor. he cancels half a million people off the rolls. 340,143 georgians did not move from their addresses. they got removed. they've been given no notice, joy. no notice. >> if stacy abrams doesn't win in georgia, they stole it. it's clear. it's clear. i say that publicly, it's clear. they can't win more elections because there's way more of us than them. in all the ways they try to scare people, particularly people of color. >> senator nelson is clearly trying to commit fraud to win this election. that's all this is. >> you think that is the senator

himself is committing fraud? >> well, it's his team. >> scott is making unsubstantiated charges of fraud. he's filing lawsuits. he is childishly urging bill nelson to step aside before the votes is counted. >> rick scott isn't making sure every lawful vote is counted. >> every floridian should be concerned there may be fraud happening in palm beach and broward counties. >> what evidence of fraud do you have in the supervisor of elections office? >> they're down here to steal an election. >> joining us is mark thompson and rashad jackson and william barber. thank you all for being here. so let me start with you, mark.

in the state of georgia, over one million voter registrations canceled since 2012. 53,000 voter registration applications on hold. nearly 4,000 pending registration canceled. that's way more than the margin that brian kemp sneaked over the line. the civil rights community sees this happening. what do you think happens now that that man is going to the governor of georgia? >> we have to continue to resist. we have to -- i admire stacy for not conceding. she's incredible. she knew this. she warned this. >> she's been fighting -- >> she's been fighting it. i think what's happened in her case, just because they technically lost, they still didn't lose. because both those states are bluer than they were before. people are more mobilized than they were before. everyone in the civil rights community needs to stand up and respond. if necessary -- i'll be transparent.

we use the word isolating some of these states, even boycotting them or at least having targeted economic sanctions. people have to be challenged on continuing to do business in states that traffic in racism and voter suppression. >> just to your first point, hillary clinton got 1.877 million votes out of georgia. stacy abrams got 1.9. she got more votes than any democrat has ever gotten out of the state of georgia. to the very point, color of change has been good about saying you hurt people of color, we hurt you economically. you have the state of georgia which has the super bowl, atlanta, movie productions galore, you now have the state of florida, which is a tourism state. you have the states that used to be states that were forward moving southern states that now both are defined by this idea of suppression. alyssa milano, she highlighted that. over 20 productions shooting in

georgia. is the entertaining industry willing to support the economy of a totally corrupt state that suppresses democracy? this is a question -- i'm getting texts about. >> it's no longer going to be business as usual. there's a whole set of enablers that have stood around and watched this happen for years. have watched white supremacy get passed off as legitimate political debate. as sort of the oh, it's okay, both sides do it. both sides don't do it. republicans have to be held accou accountable. you saw google give $5,000 to the -- >> cindy hinds smith. >> who is out, you know, talking about waxing poetically about going to a lynching and talking about how great voter suppression is. these companies have to be held accountable. the fact of the matter is, is that when voter suppression continues to happen, when politicians are able to say monkey it up. they're able to do it and continue to move forward because those -- that sort of occupy the mainstream look the other way.

they keep doing business as usual. we're being very clear. we're calling on google to disavow and no -- >> they say they didn't know she said that when they gave her the money. >> that's crazy. don't we use google to find things? >> they could have used google. >> they should have googled her because it would have come up pretty quickly. the fact that google doesn't use google to determine when they're going to give money. the fact of the matter is that's what they want us to believe. they want us to believe they're not paying attention. they're not looking at race. we're going to make them. we're going to hold them accountable and make them pay. the fact of the matter is we've already seen folks backing away from the nfl in big ways. the nfl is in atlanta. >> struggling to get an act for the halftime show. >> so this will be continue to be a problem. this will be something for folks who are watching who want something clear to do, yes, we can be present and vocal and push back. but actually we have to direct our energy at the places that will hold kemp accountable. that will hold desantis

accountable for the ways in which they have used the political levers to keep black peop people, brown people out of the process. >> i want to play for you a little bit more of stacy abrams. it was an incredible speech. this was a piece of it in which she referenced 1968. take a listen. >> more than a million citizens found their names stripped from the rolls by the secretary of state. including a 92-year-old civil rights activist who had cast her ballot in the same neighborhood since 1968. tens of thousands hung in limbo, rejected due to human error and a system of suppression that had already proven its bias. citizens tried to exercise their constitutional rights and were still denied the ability to elect their leaders. under the watch of the now former secretary of state, democracy failed georgia. >> you know, typically after an

election there's a kumbaya, no matter how nasty it is. donald trump humiliated ted cruz. called his wife ugly. trump campaigned for him and she, you know, expeditiously hugged and embraced donald trump. is what happens next after brian kemp is driven around in his truck saying he is going to round up criminal illegals, is what happens when he shows up in a black church or two and says this is good. >> this is a movement time. i've been saying for 12 years or longer that the south is where we need to be organizing. these are voter suppression states. we cannot accept it when somebody steals an election. i didn't come here for just one seat, frederick dougleasdouglast will embolden. we learned in north carolina you have to take them to class.

you have to take them to court. you have to take your protests into the legislative halls, even if it means civil disobedience for years. you have to take them to the streets. you have to do all of that. and you have to say to folk, take your convention somewhere else, but bring your organizers into the state and let us begin organizing now for years and years to come. we also need to do just like the lgbtq community does. it needs to be black and white and brown, people of conscious together. democrats in the house need to immediately pass an omnibus bill. they need to do hearings on what has happened here in georgia and florida and other places and expose it for what it is. we cannot simply have a momentary reaction. >> you have just this unleashed, the number of states with voting

restrictions since that happened is a long list. in georgia it's at the top. we've seen that's why we had free clearance. i guess that is the question. in florida, too, if you're opening with monkey, how are you the governor then of these same people? i don't understand it. >> well, we do understand it because that's the history. you're watching scott project voter suppression on the democrats when florida is known for that. >> he is known for medicare fraud. fraud. does he just -- can we play rick scott -- he took the pictures with all the new senators. here is rick scott. >> we're here this morning to welcome our sixth new republican senators. it allowed us to continue our majority. we'll be heading across the way here shortly to elect the leadership team for the next two years. good morning. >> governor, scott, do you still contend there is fraud going on in florida? >> everyone, thank you very much. >> is this picture going to be

outdated by tomorrow? >> casey for the win. there is an arrogance to it. they said you know what? i can do this to you and then i'm ruling you and there's nothing you can do. >> this is also why we need democrats to have a clear backbone. we cannot have our democratic -- this is why i think stacy abrams has charted a course for like, how democrats need to stand up, fight and be willing to push back. you know, even in north carolina, we've pushed back on businesses in partnership with reverend barber of coming to north carolina. we did a campaign on apple and amazon not to move to north carolina. if they were going to be introducing voter i.d. and sort of mobilizing that. we did an op-ed piece and did meetings with apple and amazon. really trying to hold them accountable that you can't reward those who are trying to suppress the vote by saying they are job creators at the same time. it doesn't come by suppressing the vote. the fact of the matter is is

that big businesses have become sort of afraid of this idea of conservative bias. it's been leaked into our national conversation. it's almost a false equivalency that racism and sexism, the histories of those kind of things happening on our communities are the same as conservative bias. the right has been so willing to hold accountable. just this week, we found out news that chuck schumer has been in the senate pushing back against folks holding facebook accountable for all their practices in the election. >> folks like you. >> folks like us. >> his daughter works in facebook. meanwhile republicans talk about diamond and silk are being hurt by the conservative bias on the platform. and we're trying to make sure that facebook is our friends. that's not actually how you make someone your friend in politics. you make someone your friend by holding them accountable and by judging their actions not just their words.

>> meanwhile, you have chuck schumer is not really exactly stood in the way of the judges. it's not just about governorships and senate seats. there's a man in your home state who is up for a permanent seat on the federal bench. what do the people who make up politics do about somebody like kemp? >> a judge that has a racist history, a judge that has been connected to every voter suppression case in our state for the last 25 years who was with jesse helms who was n nominated after two black women were denied. we need schumer to say no to this and any republicans that will. because right in the time that we are seeing all this voter suppression you're getting ready to put a federal judge on the court that is a supporter of voter suppression. also, joy, we need this deep analysis. we've got to take them to class. you've got to go to court, get

in the legislative hall. we did it for four years. you have to tell people stay out with your convention, bring your people in. we need a deep analysis. how many black people did not vote? how many black people did not vote because of voter suppression? how many votes were suppressed? how many democrats split the ticket? there are 4.9 million poor people in georgia. 10 million poor people in florida. almost half are white. many of them are white. we have to say you just voted, many of you, for somebody who is going to hurt you. show that policy and begin to build these coalitions to change the south. >> before we go, democrats get asked all the time, is anyone going to ask tim scott how he feels about this? he's right next door in south carolina. he's voted against one judge he deemed to be racist. he can do it when he wants to. is it about asking democrats or should republicans have to be asked? >> they should be challenged as

well. >> it would be nice if we saw black republicans who have been so vocal about their support for trump. even those that are vocal on tv, have a press conference in front of the rnc and push back against suppression. stand up for people like your family members, your aunts and uncles and grandparents. >> people need to consider economic sanctions against these states who practice racism and voter suppression and put mississippi on notice. she already said that's what she's about. we need to be smart about our dollars. if everyone says it's going to hurt the workers. you're already hurt if you can't work. if your vote is suppressed you can't do anything to vote to change the conditions about the little bit of money you're making. we need to seriously consider that. >> the 1.4 million people who have a -- >> how did those people vote for that and didn't vote against andrew? how do those people vote for

that and then vote against andrew. we know it was a trick. >> look at the undervote in broward and dade and then the northern part of the state. we're out of time, i'm sorry, did you did you have somethihav? >> voter suppression states are poor states. you elect candidates that do policies that hurt the poor. >> we'll have you come back. we want to follow up on what happens. what's the aftermath. thank you very much. up next, we will turn our eyes to the mississippi runoff. that's next. he mississippi runo. that's next. opportunity is everywhere. like here. and here. see? opportunity. ev-er-y-where. about to be parents. meeting the parents. and this driver, logging out to watch his kid hit one out of the... (bat hits ball) opportunity is everywhere. all you have to do to find it is get out...here. ♪

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i would fight if he invited me to a public hanging i'd be on the front row. >> mississippi republican senator cindy hyde smith was getting backlash wiafter making that joke. the population is 37% black, the highest of any state. hyde smith is facing a november 27th runoff with a former agriculture secretary of state who is trying to become mississippi's first black senator since reconstruction. she is on the hot seat again. >> and then they remind that there's a lot of lrbl foiberal in those other schools. it will make it a little more difficult.

>> joining me now is lamar white, the publisher of the bayou brief who posted that. it's great to meet you. >> thanks so much. >> you got that video. is there a larger context that we are missing from the first comment, the comment about going to a public hanging? >> no. no. there's no larger context. i've seen a good deal of the video, and the -- i guess the only other context is there was a man introducing her and this was her way of complimenting him. >> the response from cindy hyde smith is to say the following, i referenced accepting an invitation to a speaking engagement in referencing the one who invited me i used an exaggerated expression of regard in any attempt to turn this into a negative connotation is ridiculous. is that a common expression of regard -- >> that is not. and i live in louisiana, that's not a common expression of regard anywhere in the south. i've never heard of that as a

southern expression. >> have you heard in the past just sort of offhand references to public hangings? they only have one meaning in the south. >> right. no. that's why it was so remarkable. >> as you're looking at this race, mike espy, it's a historic bid he's making. the two of them in a three way race. both finished with 40% of the vote. is this a race where cindy hyde smith is going to have it or could a controversy like this hurt her? >> we saw what happened in alabama. like you mentioned before, mississippi is 37% african-american. so if there are enough white voters and enough african-americans that turn out, i think mike could win this. i really do. >> yeah. let's listen -- read a couple of responses. the naacp responded to cindy hyde's comments saying senator hide smith's shameful remarks prove how trump has created a social and political climate

that normalized rhetoric. it's sick. i presume that donald trump is quite popular in mississippi. is she tying herself to him overtly in this race? >> yes. i believe that donald trump plans to be in mississippi to support her. so he's tying -- and she's on -- she and donald trump are pictured together on her tour bus. so, yes, it's definitely part of her brand. >> one more statement, and this is from mike espy. cindy hyde smith's comments are reprehensib reprehensible. we need leaders not dividers and her words show she lacks the understanding and judgment to represent the people of our state. what is the reputation of mr. espy in that state? does he have a base beyond the african-american community from which to run? >> i believe he does. i think he's got an excellent

reputation in that state. he would be the first african-american senator from mississippi elected since reconstruction. he was also already the first african-american member of congress elected since reconstruction in mississippi. >> yeah. the other kraervcontroversy was- it was clearly a joke and that the video was selectively edited. was it selectively edited? >> i have seen the entire video. no. it was not selectively edited. it's exactly what you said. it's kind of telling that it appears that she was responding to a question from an african-american student. she then posted a picture on her twitter of her and that student and the student asked her to take the picture down. >> right. yeah. i saw she ended up deleting it.

he said he was just asking a question. you know, you live in louisiana, you do this. we've been talking about the south. there was a sense in the run up to the election with candidates in maryland and georgia and florida, this race in mississippi, that the south is sort of fundamentally changed in a lot of ways. is that a misperception? >> i don't think so. no. i think there's a new generation of southerners like myself who reject racism and who believe in a different type of politics. we're seeing the early manifestations of that and i'm hopeful. >> there's also a huge african-american and latino and asian american voting base across the south. it's definitely changing demographically as well. congratulations on your big scoop and thank you for being here. >> thank you so much, joy, i appreciate it. >> thank you. next up mitch mcconnell's long slow crawl to absolute power. ell's long slow crawl to absolute power. you're headed down the highway

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our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny president obama a second term. >> i'm sorry. that was mitch mcconnell in 2010 just after republicans gained the house. eight years later republicans have just lost the house. mitch is singing kind of a different tune. a totally different tune. in an op-ed, mcconnell asked

without a hint of self-awareness. will dems work with us or put partisan politics ahead of the country? joining me now is jen kerns and dana millbank. this should be fun. i haven't seen you for a while, jen. mitch mcconnell. let's discuss. mitch mcconnell, here is mitch mcconnell at a kentucky rally -- this is cut two for my producers. august 6, 2016. here was mitch mcconnell. >> one of my proudest moments is when i looked barack obama in the eye and said mr. president, you will not fill the supreme court vacancy. >> the guy with the record number of filibusters, scorched earth. we vote for nothing that has president obama's name on it. we don't want money to help recovery. we don't want healthcare.

we want nothing. it's all a no. all 100% partisanship every day of his life. he's like, will the democrats be bipartisan and help us? what is happening with your senate leader? >> well, look, i've never really been a big mitch mcconnell fan. being a tea partier he's never been my favorite guy. it's kind of like john snow at the last season in game of thrones asking what was his name, to help him in the end. i think -- >> yeah, on the game of throne reference. well played. >> i think nancy pelosi has her own bit of hypocrisy here. we look back at the 2016 elections. two weeks before election day in 2016 when it looked like hillary clinton was going to be elected it was nancy pelosi who said well, republicans are running on the idea they could be a check and balance and we all know that when the opposite party gets in

it's obstruction. she mentioned the same thing 20 years ago in 1996. she said that checks and balances that republicans had against bill clinton ended up with itmpeachment. >> but that's true. when bill clinton was president, republicans didn't accept that he was legitimately allowed to be president. they started trying to impeach him immediately. what she said is true. republicans, when there's a democrat in the white house they say how do we get rid of him? there is no bipartisanship coming the other way. nancy pelosi is fighting an opposition that is scorched earth. 50 times they voted to repeal the affordable care act. this is not. >> we might be seeing a redux of the bill clinton impeachment effort. democrats have that in their sights. >> maybe, maybe. dana, let's go to you on this. i'm going to let you hold forth on the idea that of all the

people on the planet talking about bipartisanship, i feel like mitch mcconnell is not the most appropriate. maybe i'm wrong. your thoughts. >> oh, i don't know. look, there's a certain amount of course of hypocrisy on all sides. that's a given in politics. it depends on who is in power and who is not. mitch mcconnell is in a class by himself because he combines this sort of naked pursuit of power without principle with some real cunning. that's why i've argued i see him as more dangerous than president trump who is occasionally bumbling. more than occasionally bumbling. mcconnell knows what he's doing here. you know, not only did he say we're not going to seat merrick garland. he turned around and said she will try to seat a president trump nominee in 2020 if a seat comes open. that's the utter absence of principle there. if you look at the various

problems in our system, the utter dysfunction in the senate where leaders go after each other in campaigns, using the nuclear option, the utter shutdown of civility. that's a lot of mcconnell. if you look at the dark money in politics, the unlimited spending. a lot of that is mcconnell. and then you saw him again this week bringing rick scott in and calling him a united states senator before that was, in fact, certified by the state of florida. so it's the utter pursuit of power without principle. >> you know, mitch mcconnell is ruthless. let's be clear. he has a singular goal which is power for himself and his political party. he sees no irony. the way he thinks he will make -- he and his party will make a permanent stamp on the united states, no matter what

changes in the country that they will put young far right judges on the courts and keep them there. they will deny the opportunities for democratic presidents to put their own stamp on the judiciary. if you go through and you look at the percent of appeals court judges who were confirmed or even allowed to have a vote, you know, reagan is a high-water mark. clinton gets some of his through. look at president obama's percentage. way down there. you know, 7% of the total. one of mitch mcconnell's tactics has been to say, only republican presidents are allowed to seat judges as far as i am concerned. >> well, if you look at the situation with judge kavanaugh during a midterm election year, a lot of people said that republicans shouldn't be allowed to do that. >> he had some problems. i mean, it's not the ordinary guy that's got like, five accusers saying that he committed sexual misconduct. that's not usual. >> but a lot of democrats said on principle alone, just leave the kavanaugh events aside, but on principle alone, that

republicans should not be allowed to fill that -- >> when did they say that? >> they sure did. >> they said the standard set by mcconnell. mcconnell himself said we're too close to an election so democrats tried to use his own standards and he said that's not the standard anymore. >> correct but it was apples and oranges. he said when there is a lame duck president -- >> which is not the standard. what year -- >> he said the president will remain the president for the next two years, like it or not. >> he made up that standard literally. >> the fact that we're having this conversation shows how effective mitch mcconnell is and this is why president trump keeps him around, even though he disagrees him. >> the constitution keeps him around. trump can't do anything about mitch mcconnell. >> the one thing mitch mcconnell has been so successful on is securing these judges for republicans and that is his core

strength. that is why he remains senate majority leader. >> that's the point, right? republicans can't control the culture and they're upset about that. they can't change the demographics. mitch mcconnell, he's like we can own the courts and we can force the country to the right just because we have the power. >> right. you mentioned demographics earlier, joy. i think that is the key. it's basically a rear guard action when you see the multicultural america emerging. by 2044 a majority minority country and the republican party being older white males at this point. basically it's trying to cling to the power that there is. and that does work. i mean, it doesn't work forever, but it -- basically through gerrymandering, campaign finance decisions, it allows the entrenches power of the republicans, the older white male voters, to maintain that power for a little longer. it's not thorough. if you look at what happened in the cnn, the acosta case, the

judge shot down the white house, that was a trump nominee. so there's a limit to how much your thorough control of the judiciala judiciary does for you. >> i believe the republican conference is 90% white male. it's interesting. thank you very much. we know you have family in california, so wishing your family all the best with all that's going on out there. coming up next, medal of freedom resip zcipient allen pa joins me next. t allen page joins me next. ♪ the united states postal service makes more holiday deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. ♪ with one notable exception. ♪

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after retiring from the nfl in 1981, justice page practiced law full time before winning a seat on the minnesota supreme court in 1992. he served for more than 20 years. since 1988, his education foundation has provided scholarships to nearly 7,000 students. the united states proudly recognizes justice page's athletic accomplishments and lifetime of public service and philanthropy. [ applause ] >> among the recipients of donald trump's first medals of

freedom on friday was former minnesota supreme court justice and nfl mvp allen page who has spent his career standing up for social justice and the rule of law. a a.m. joy team got to spend the msnbc team got to spend time with them when they displayed their collection of artifacts earlier this year. for me it was important as a reminder, particularly the items of oppression, that as a nation we have not always been fair. first of all, sir, condolences on the loss of your wife. nonetheless it's good to see you. >> thank for you having me. >> with our interview, you were not shy about talking about the

divisiveness of this current administration, so were you surprised to fund your name on the list of his honorees? >> it was not something i was anticipating certainly. it was a surprise, but i like to think of it as, you know, it was time that the values that i that we have tried to bring to fruition are values that needed to be recognized, and i'm thrilled and honored that i was selected. >> were you tempted in that moment as, you know, donald trump is pinning that medal to maybe articulate some

of that? we know there have been others who said i get this president in front of me, i'm going to try to impress upon him the ways in which he could be a different person? were you tempted to do that? >> i didn't think about that. quite frankly, i was thinking about diane and the fact that she wasn't able to be there, but that said, i was there representing those values. i was there represents those beliefs, and the people whose back i stood on to allow me to do the things i have done, the ancestors of mine who came to this country in the belly of slave ships. the three young men who died in mississippi, shall warner, cheney and goodman. the four young girls killed in the bombing of the 16th street

baptist church. i was thinking about those people, representing them in the white house. you know, it is the people's house, and from my vantage point, their values and their beliefs needed to be represented. >> in your assessment, where do you think this country stands as regards its values. we've been talking about rampant voter procession, a race-based campaign run by a lot of republicans across the south. where do we stand, in your view, just morally as a nation? >> i think we're moving in the wrong directs, and i think we were somewhat lulled to sleep in thinking that we had overcome issues of race, but clearly in the last 2 1/2, 3 years, it is

evidence that we still have a very long way to go. that said, i think one of the things that we can do, all of us, is become active in, you know, if somebody wants to suppress my vote, they want to do that aggressively, i have the power and we all individually and collectively have the power to make sure that they don't suppress our votes. >> we know donald trump wants badly to be around famous people. he hasn't been much luck getting them to want to be around him, other than kim kardashian. we saw senator hatch being awarded. miriam adelson, others on his list. elvis presley, babe ruth, justice scalia, who are no longer with us. roger staubach was also awarded.

so he didn't get much of a chance usually to confer with someone of your stature. did you have any conversation? >> there was a moment where we had pictures, and said hello. that was pretty much it. there wasn't much conversation. >> were you surprised. when president obama would confer these awards, he would read the biography and say some things and usually had a personal connection to the person. did you get the sense that trump had some personal connection to you? >> no, i didn't. as i say, i was surprised yet honored to be selected. it wouldn't have occurred to me that i would be one of his awardees, much less in the first group. >> yeah. well, you certainly deserved it, sir. so congratulations on being awarded the presidential medal

of freedom. it's a high honor, and you certainly deserve it. >> well, it is indeed a high honor, and hopefully it will inspire others to try to do the kinds of things that i have done and make this country a better country. >> thank you very much, justice alan page. god bless you and your family. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up at the top of the hour, the latest on the deadly wildfires where donald trump is expected to rich in just a few minutes. right after the break. minutes. right after the break. accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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that is our show for today. we'll be back tomorrow. alex, i know you're a california girl. it's such a horrific -- >> it's very emotional. i think we should say you're so thoughtful when you asked how my family is doing. everybody is safe and sound, thank god. we'll bring you this story, as the president is there as well. we'll see you tomorrow, joy. thank you. it's high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. the president about to see the california wildfire disaster for himself. before leaving, weighing in on a wide array of topics. >> with the firefighters and fema, first responders, i like nancy pelosi.