california. this is northern california, the beale air force base. we're waibeling for the president to disembark, the president making his second trip to california since becoming president of the united states. he's meeting with those elected officials we have seen gathered there, that being governor jerry brown, who will be handing off to gavin newsom, both democrats. they'll take him about 60 miles away or so to paradise, california. 'we start the hour with breaking news, we have geoff bennett, as wet as nbc's scott cohn in chico, california, which is really ground zero of all the recoveries and rescue operations. geoff, let's talk about the president, what all this signals, as we see the president

disembarking there, let's get to the latest from the white house here. >> reporter: right. the president is shaking hands with governor jerry brown and next to him is governor-election gavin newsom. and we understand the fema administrator brock long is along for the trip as well. . the president will try to offer some comfort to those affected, he's going to make clear the full resources of the federal government are available for those californians, today, earlier this morning as the president was leaving the white house, he stopped and talked to reporters, and he brought up on his own again this issue, as he puts it, poor forest management. the president talking again and again about this issue, even though experts and several firefighter organizations have made clear that the destructive and deadly fire had nothing to do with this issue of taking the

measure of thinning forest. why is the president talking about this? it means he doesn't have to talk about climate change, and also some environmentalists say he's using that as a pretext to push for more logging. you see the president shaking hands. next to him is kevin mccarthy, the new house majority leader, and in the next congress will become the next how minority leader. we expect the president to spend a decent amount of the day here before he heads back to the white house. >> scott cohn, i know you are there in chico where there is the search for those more than 1,000 people still missing. is the president expected to stop there and speak with first responders and those that have sought refuse in the evacuation

centers? >> reporter: well, we expect he'll speak with first responders. he exact movements are kept a bit until wraps here. we don't exactly where he will be, but the situation is pretty desperate. more than 1,000 people are missing. the hope is many will be found in evac ways shelters like this one. this is one of a half dozen evacuation shelters, and paradise is a community of senior citizens. a lot of people do not have computers and smartphones, so it's just a matter of connecting them with loved ones, but there's also a fear that the death toll will rise, as they prepare to go lot to lot, in a town that was almost virtually destroyed.

>> scott, we should just tell our viewers what you are seeing. the president, with governor brown and governor-elect newsom, among others, have boarded the helicopter. but this should take, i don't know, probably maybe 20 minutes or so to get to paradise. scott, it's an interesting juxtaposition, donald trump versus, and you can almost use the words versus here, with governor brown and governor-elect newsom. these men have all been at odds with each other quite directly. talk about that in this picture. you have to wonder what they're talking about aboard marine one.

>> at odds tick laically against climb change. governor brown -- >> he as passionate about it. >> reporter: absolutely. probably an issue that gavin newsom will pick up next year. and the president downplaying that at best. so it will be interesting to see their body language and everything else. they jointly issued a statement yesterday that now is the time for everyone to pull together, they're grateful for the president's visit, and the issue is dealing with the missing people, the recovery here, it is still a desperate situation. even as we talk about that, there's always this issue, when you president comes into a disaster zone, of disrupting

those kinds of efforts. we talked to an evacuee who was hoping to get to fema to get a new trailer for her property or help to somehow begin to rebuild, and she couldn't get there, because the bus isn't running because the president is in town. geoff bennett, you mentioned that the president with the forestry and like, do we know who the advisers are and what they are telling him about forestry? >> reporter: on that specific issue, no. one has to wonder what he's been seeing on some of the cable news stations he prefers to watch, but remember, the president threatened to whole federal payments to california over this issue. in the end the white house reelectriced and the federal response money was in fact issued and did make its way to california. he didn't go to montecito after

the mudslides, and cast that with the much faster trips to some of the areas affected by the hurricanes, which happened to be many of the states who voted for him. >> do you think it's ball it's california? california has had a tremendous blue wave. many republican seats have been overturned. do you think he feels like a persona nongrata in california? >> reporter: i think that's a question. if you overlay politics, clearly it becomes an issue. but, again, this was something that captured a lot of media attention for good reason, and the white house and the president saw fit to make this trip together. >> we're focused on marine one right now, that's at the beale air force base outside of sacramento, making about a 60-mile trip through the air to

the area of paradise and chico. we have scott cohn standing by in chico, talking to the people who are staying in the evacuation centers, that i would think are very full if not overflowing. i'm curious about that, with the people who have -- as their lives have been destroyed. is there room for more? are they running out of a temporary, a housing shortage yesterday? >> reporter: the evacuation centers are for the most part full. the sixth one is probably close to it, so we're in a situation where you have tent cities springing up in parking lots. people are camping out, and it is cold here. part of it because there's so much smoke keeping the sun out. we're looking at freezing

temperatures at night. look, they're rugged here, about you they're senior citizens, people who can't necessarily be staying in tents, and people who have been in shelters for more than a week now. >> i read a story about an 87-year-old who thought death was imminent and was just crawling on hands and knees to get out. you have to wonder how, with stories like that, the president chooses to blame forestry practices. is this the time to be invoking politics when we've had a natural disaster in the state of california? goods in knows, scott, you've spent so much time at nbc, i don't think anyone could even gather how much this will cost the state of california and the federal government. >> reporter: right. it certainly seems a bit early to be talking about things like forest management, the damage

estimates, things like that. we're looking at more than 1,000 people still missing and the real fear that many of those people did not survive this, because you have people who can't get out of their homes, who don't have cars, who are elderly. so to be talking now about forest management just seems a bit out of sequence with what's going on? >> well, it is a heartbreaking time. i have to say i was driving through paradise on my way to chico, where a family member resided, and that was some of the spring. i remember thinking what a beautiful, beautiful place paradise was, first time i had been there. i thought to myself, i can see why they call it paradise. heartbreaking to think it's no longer that way. geoff, we'll speak with you again. scott cohn, thank you for standing by for the president's arrival there. joining mess is jeff macing

and michael isikoff. also co-author of the book "russian roulette." jeff, we have a president soon will be surveying the damage there, and beyond the president's comments, how awkward might this meeting be? >> you can only assume it's going to be fairly awkward. that said both sides have seemed to try to put politics aside as the president makes this trip, as the outgoing and incoming governor issued a statement saying we're glad he's coming, focusing on the fact that this is an emergency response effort right now. underlying all of that, of course, is this very, very deep divide between them on issues,

and on just the fact that the president chose, at least initially in his response to use sort of political attacks rather than to show empathy. >> yeah, we're going to monitor the president's flight there, but clearly with the poor air quality, we will lose sight of that despite very specifically trained long-range cameras. there's terrible air quality will. when the president lantz, we'll take you back to california. but the president hit on a number of topics this morning, including the mueller investigation, so here's what he said. >> they're all done. >> we haven't even talked about it. >> michael, what is the conventional wisdom on the timeline at this point? any indication that the president's answers are the final piece of the puzzle? >> i think there is an

expectation we are in the end game of the mueller investigation. there are clearly some ongoing investigations that may come to fruition very shortly. certainly roger stone, the president's longtime political divorce has been squarely within mueller's sights, and jerome coursie has said publicly he expects to be indicted, and as far as the president's answers, look, it has been reported for quite some time that mueller was working on some sort of final report, and the last piece of that would be the president's answers to they questions. i don't believe, that that will materially change anything as far as this report goes. i think he knows what he plans

to say, but there's a big question as to whether and when we will see that report, because, you know, now that matt whitaker is in charge of the justice department, the report goes to him. it is entirely within his discretion to publicly release that report. now, of course, you have the democrats about to take over control of the congress. they can subpoena it, but there's a lot -- almost certainty that had provoke some sort of legal battle that could end up in the supreme court. there's a lot of different ways this could go. i don't think we should be confident about exactly how this is going to play out. >> do you think this is a scenario, jeff, where mueller could try to wait out whitaker. he's interim, temporary a.g.

do you they do you think he could wait? >> honestly i have no idea. i've been very careful in guessing the timeline. over the past few months, the president has said yes, it's about to wrap up our rudy giuliani saying it's about to wrap up, and it hasn't. yes, the president is responding to questions. i was in the oval office yesterday when he was talking about that, but the fact they're at that stage would lead you to conclude that that's a pretty major piece of this investigation, but it's heart to get into the thinking of the special counsel, the timeline. >> but given the president of the oval office, the president did say from his reporting that he easily answered awful questions, so do you have his level of confidence as he goes into what may be the final stages? >>

and he showed a lot of confidence yesterday. he also said he didn't think it was going to be a problem in the end, there was no collusion, which is the restatement of the position he's held for some time. that comes not long after having put out tweets earlier in the week, where it seemed like he was pretty agitated about the investigation again. >> yeah, so his state of mind seems to change on it, but perhaps the fact that he feels confident about these questions is a sign that his state of mind, at least for the moment is more relaxed. >> you know, michael, you interviewed george conway on friday. he's certainly a frequent critic of this president. he did not hold back with you either. i want to begin with why he withdrew consideration for a job at the justice department. >> i'm watching this thing and, you know, it's like the

administer is like a [ bleep ] when it comes to -- and i thought i didn't want to do that. i'm the husband of the councillor of the president, who got him elected basically. >> do you think that the president is fully stable? [ laughter ] >> no comment on that. >> how is all your anti-trump activity going down with kelly anne. >> i don't think she likes it, but i told her i don't like the administration, so it's even. >> he did give her props, saying she basically got him elected. prior to her coming on board, the campaign was in a downward spiral, so he gave her credit for that. but what assistanstands out to in that interview?

>> i think he really has, you know, very strong, deep-seated views on the rule of law. he's a conservative rep, no question abo -- republican, and i think he finds it genuinely offensive. you know, this was a remarkable interview, really the first one he has given since he began tweeting and trolling the president and writing newspaper o op-ed. what leaps out is his personality evolution. he talked about election nice 2016, two short years ago, how he we want with joy at the election of donald trump, mostly out of pride for his wife's accomplishment in helping getting him elected and settling down the compare. as he walked us through, you

know, how his disenchantment, how the scales fell from his eyes, you know, as one development after another, the firing of comey, the attacks on the justice department. that job he was offered in the trump administration was to be chief of the just department's several division, which would have put him in charge of defending the administration in lawsuits across the country, and he finally concluded i just can't do this. >> he's a republican almost in his dna, but he says he's left the party. >> he said the republican party has become a personality cult, and i can't be a part of it anymore. i could point out, for those of you who haven't listened to the

whole thing, it is worth listening to it. we took him back to ehaven't 20 years ago. george conway was very much a part of the events that let to a bill clinton impeachment, including my own dealings with him. he was more willing to go further on the record than before. and there is a consistency there. he believed that the president offended the rule of law when he perjured himself under oath, and i think he feels in the same way that president trump has to be held accountable for his conduct. >> i want to ask both of you this -- where do republicans place their loyalty now? like george conway, who have it in their dna they consider themselves devout republicans. where do they go?

there's a poll that says some republicans don't want donald trump to run again. >> george conway was talking about trying to set up a group for those who don't approve the donald trump. he acknowledges what is true, that many republicans, who perhaps don't like the president's rhetoric, nonetheless supported him in the election and support him now because of what he's doing on things like regulation and judiciary, not the least, of course, he's gotten two very conservative members on the supreme court. so i think the question is in the short term is republicans probably continue to support this president, because they're

willing -- or many are willing to hold their nose to get what they support completed. >> what did george conway say about this group? a therapy group? >> i pressed him on that. i said, what are you going to do? file briefs in court? he says, no, he wants it to be a platform for people who think like him to speak out. he says, you know, it's not enough that we get the judges. it's not enough that we get tax cuts and regulatory reform. there are fundamental principles at stake here, and he -- what he said to his fellow conservatives are, you know, you cannot stay silent when those principles are being -- are under attack. michael isikoff, thank you so much. jeff mason as well, as always.

gentlemen, i appreciate your time. coming up, the hit list of subpoe subpoenas. which ones will get the highest priority? we'll discuss that next. t the h priority we'll discuss that next.

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just a short while ago, the president touched down at beale air force base. earlier he doubled down on the view that damage from the fires could have been diminished by what he calls poor forest management.

>> we will be talking about forest management. i've been saying that for a long time, and this could have been a lot different situation, but the one thing is that everybody now knows this is what we have to be doing. >> let's talk to john garamendi. >> i want you to put your former hat on. are they mismanaging the forest? >> this fire at paradise was not in a national forest, and in fact it was on private land. the real problem in which we have built or cities into the wild land/urban interface and climate change. climate change is very real, mr. president. it's a very important factor in they fires, because we gets the rains in the winter, we get

heavy rental station growth, -- heavy vegetation growth, and then we get hot west. northern california, it's ten months, 11 months now. so climate change is very real and affecting all of this. forest management is an issue, one we can deal with. in fact we passed legislation last spring that would separate the u.s. forest service's budget into two parts, fire fighting which has consumed alps of the money in the past, but this fire at paradise was not a national forest issue. the president is just plain wrong about that. it is a devastating urban fire, 26,000 people forced out of their homes, an entire city wiped out. some of them your constituents certainly. does it sound like the president will deliver what they need at this time? >> hopefully he'll deliver a lot

of empathy and sympathy, which is not his normal practice. but there is a declaration to open the spigot of funds to be available. but we have to rebuild a city and rebuild the evac indication routes. i have a built introduced on that, introduced it six months ago, had no idea it should have been in place now. that's going to require an augmentation to the upcoming omnibus appropriation bill. probably somewhere in the range of $700 million to rebuild the cities, rebuild the roads and other factors. other property that has been dried. >> oh to be on board marine one right now. i want to thank you for speaking with our producers during the commercial break, because the

white house for security reasons does not lay out a step-by-step of where he will be. but to get -- lt. governor, then california governor elect gavin newsom as well. do you think this president may be able to be influenced by these two? might this be the kind of proof that's needed to say climb change is real? >> well, i would hope so. this is a good opportunity. certainly jerry brown and gavin newsom have been way out on front on climate change, as have i, and they now have the president literally trapped in

the helicopter. the president really must lead the world on this issue. what's happened is the president has extracted, has taken the united states out of the solution of climate change, and in fact is making very significant steps to increase the amount of greenhouse gases that the united states is currently and would in the future emit into the atmosphere. take, for example, the effort he's making to roll back emission controls. and his effort to try to increase the production and the use of coal in the united states by eliminating one of the regulations that the obama administration put in place. the president must change his policy if the next generations are going to survive. the world is changing, the climate is changing, sea level is rising, fires are more ominous and hurricanes are

stronger than ever before. mr. president, listen carefully to jerry brown. he's a leader on this. gasp newsom, listen to them, and i'm sure they will plead the case. >> we've been talking about this so-called cannon of subpoenas. axios is reporting that 85-plus trump targets exist. is that true? i'm not asking you to make that list, but -- start with the beginning.

>> unfortunately the republican congress basically went after benghazi ad nauseam. that's basically what they did. we need to go after those miss deeds the corruption that's been so apparent, but we need to deal with shirts like the policies which i just spoke about, about the coal issues. we do have another constitutional issue, called the emoluments clause, which strictly prohibit the president and pup officials from any gift, any payment.

beonemoluments, and certainly there's other -- but do the democrats have the right to go after the president's personal finances? >> uh, the answer is yes, if it involves some problem that is existing in his administration. he never game up his ownership or put his properties into a blind trust. he controls that trust today, though he's handed it over to his son, and he has the full opportunity to take any of the assets and profits at any time. so that ties back into the conflict of interest. and it also ties bake to the

emoluments, so yes, there is a nexus there, but that's not directly. his tax returns are another area that will clearly be looked at probablily by the ways and means committee, but there are other issues that are equally important here that we must get to. some of these deals with the ongoing policies. what i want you to know is this new democratic congress wants to go to the fundamental issues that we campaigned on. we campaigned on health care. we have to absolutely guarantee that every american can get the health care insurance, and it would not be unavailable because of a preexisting condition. going back to the fire in paradise, two rural mountain roads to get out of there. we they'd to make sure there are evacuation routes. that's a piece of legislation i have introduced. we have enormous infrastructure needs. these are the things including -- and i might add

this goes back to your original question -- the issue of corruption, the issue of voting rights, voting suppression. these are on our positive agenda to deal with the issues of america. >> infrastructure, that may be a place to start, it would seem there's bipart san support to get things right, giving the example of paradise. thank you, sir. have a happy thanksgiving this week. thank you. what are his lawyers doing to help him with the questions? ♪ he'd be proud of us. a family business should stay in the family. see how lincoln's insurance solutions

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into new insight into the mueller investigation, as the president reveals details on his cooperation. >> i was asked a series of questions. i answered them very easily. >> no, we do that next week. they're all done. >> we haven't even talked about it. >> joining in is samuel buehl.

what are the odds that a legal team signed off given the fact they apparently have the written questions complete. we know that answering -- is a completely different ball game. and it is subject to but you can with your lawyers, through a -- and get follow-up questions, and get nailed down. do you think he just answered

them on his own? >> these were easy questions, but they were trying to trip him up. he sounded that's not the way this works at all. >> is this the last step? one of the final pieces in. >> i don't think so, alex. the big question, there may be some sort of report with the whole comey/flynn affair, and it might be a rounding out of that

piece of investigation. you know, let's not forget the main game here, which is rick gates, paul manafort, and cohen, all cooperating witnesses, all being debriefed. if you haven't been in the loro, you don't know where the investigation is going. it comes down to what those witnesses have. >> given the scope of the investigation, what do you think are the likely hess, most difficult questions for the president to answer? >> i would think it would be the surprises. the things that haven't been getting talked about endlessly on the tv for the last two years. he's got his standard answers, he's been making them, you know, for the cameras, and he's just going to repeat them on paper.

>> so, again, you know, if we haven't seen the questions we could say what that might how would the president know that? the mueller investigation has been next to impossible to get any info out. >> this is the president doing his john gotti impression again? there's never been anyone investigated heavily who hasn't accused the investigators and prosecutors of misconduct. the defense lawyers in this

meeting aren't restricted. mueller can't prevent them from talking, and to some extent they're talking to each other, and my guess is that, you know, things might have gotten heated in a meeting or two, with one or two witnesses. that got back and maybe paged through the -- and the president takes a thread of fact and then blow it up into something much larger than it really is. this is what we hear from people being investigated by the department of justice all the time. it's standard whining. it really doesn't mean anything. >> samuel buehl, thank you for joining me. have a great thanksgiving. >> thank you, alex. up next, the real threat to reelection hopes. he real threat reelection hopes ♪

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possibly new warning signs for the president's future ambitions after a blue wave gave democrats control of the house. a new poll finds that one in three americans thing he should be reelected. 59% want to put someone else in the office. let's bring in peter emerson,

he's worked in three democratic administrations. noel, and sophia nelson. i know those stats will put are put a spiel on mile on at least those faces. do you think this is a sign that the president is on the wrong track? does he need to make some kind of realignment? >> there's two things that i'm looking at. first of all, it's 2018, a lifetime away from 2020. so i don't think that president trump is sweating it. the second of it is this -- i think it's his personality and the constant rhetoric. it's not his policies. because if you ask any republican, he has delivered on his promises. so they're very happy with what's going on in the marketplace, they're happy what's going on in the economy, with the job sectors, with everything that he has done

policy-wise if you ask republicans. democrats are not going to be happy with his policies and that's okay. >> but does -- >> it's mainly his personality. >> and can the policy agreement, account things that those republicans who support the policies, can that overrule the personality issues? if you want to break it down to be that simple. >> we will see. like i said, it's 2018 and we're coming off the heels of a blue wave in the house. we have a red wall in the senate. so after everything has cooled and we get in to the middle of 2019 -- as we get closer to 2020 that's when we needs to worry if poll numbers like these keep resurfacing. right now we're coming off the heels of a very heated midterm. i'm glad we have had such a close midterm because it means more people, red and blue, are voting. i'm really happy to see more people are getting involved.

>> that has definitely been very much a silver lining to all of this. sophia, you're a republican, but you feel differently about president trump. what is your assessment? do you think another republican should make a primary challenge? >> first i want to say noelle and i are on the same page. policy versus personality before we ever got on the camera here. the second thing is i do think that he should be challenged in a primary but i don't know who that's going to be. john kasich, i just don't see it. the base of the republican party is very pro trump. here's the deal that's going to determine what happens. first of all, we're two years away from 2020 and that's going to come fast. white women are fleeing the gop, the suburbs have fled the gop, black and brown people left a long time ago. in a demographically changing america and map, i don't know how the president gets himself

re-elected now that florida's definitely back in play, so is wisconsin, so is michigan and so is pennsylvania. california and orange county turned blue. trump has realigned the map and not in a good way. that's what i think his biggest -- personality is his number one problem. he's in his own way but the map is changing as well and 2018 shows that in a big way. >> and she's right on the map. but, peter, with regard to the poll numbers we were talking about, good news for democrats or is it a snapshot and this could be fools' gold? >> it's a giant vein of fools' gold. there's no democratic to compare against. the real interesting number in the polls is only 16% of republicans think trump should be replaced. >> you mean only? you're surprised that not more? >> yes. because the republican moral foundation and principles of which the party was established

have gone so far astray i'm astounded that number wasn't higher. >> yeah, but evangelicals voted him in the week of the "access hollywood" tape. >> white evangelicals. they have this passive acceptance that somehow moral weakness is to be forgiven and not challenged or even judged. >> noelle, the president spoke with "the daily caller" about the midterms and made an unsubstantiated claim. he said "the republicans don't win and that's because of potential potentially illegal votes, when people get in line and have absolutely no right to go vote, they go in circles, perhaps go to their car, put on a different hat, a different shirt, come in and vote again." do you think the president really believes that? >> well, when i heard that, maybe one incident.

i'm sure that maybe -- i'm not sure. i don't know. maybe something like that has happened where somebody has put on a different hat and then went and voted again. i don't know. but what i think the gist of it is is the fact that he, you know, if you look at what happened in florida, if you specifically look at that incident with brenda snipes, that is shady. i don't care what side of the aisle you're on, that's shady. so he could be insinuating of more incidents like that where there looks like there's potential fraud versus actually literally going in and changing a hat. >> i have less than a minute left. sophia, your response to this and then you, peter. >> you know what's shady? the president of the united states making up something like that that freaking ridiculous. excuse my language on national tv. and republicans should be saying mr. president, that is wrong,

nobody's getting in their car and changing their outfit like batman, that's just ridiculous. >> i love the passion. peter, back to you. >> i've been a poll watcher. i've never seen anyone get back in their car, change their shirt and come back. most voters walk, take a bus, take a subway. they exercise their right, their sacred right as an american. he's insulting them and of course he's speaking from no knowledge base whatsoever. he drives up in a limo, gets out, people help him vote and then he comes out. he's talking off the top of his head once again. >> i'm glad the three of you guys talk off the top of your heads. you all say such great stuff. good to see you again. >> coming up, a lawyer for julian assange will talk about the u.s. filing criminal charges against him. him.

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