can keep the worthleking class in 2020. >> money in politics is a huge problem, americans know that. >> alexandria ocasio-cortez opening up on facebook live. is she a force to be reckoned with or potentially getting off on the wrong foot? but new this hour, nbc news has learned president trump's legal team is planning to submit answers to the special counsel by thanksgiving. the president's answers ra crucial missing piece is robert mueller's investigation. but in a new fox news interview which aired just hours ago, the president downplayed his answers. >> the questions were asked and answered. wasn't a big deal. they make it like i had meetings with many, many hours. i got the questions, i responded, we wrote them out, i read them a second time, we made changes. that's it. very simple. the president also addressed the pulling of saudi critic

jamal khashoggi. when asked if the crown prions lied about his involvement, president trump said this. >> he told me that he had nothing to do with it. he told me that i would say maybe five times at different points. >> did you justly with it because you need him? >> well, will anybody really know? almost two weeks after the midterm elections this is how president trump framed the historic victories by democrats. >> i wasn't running. my name was on the ballot. there are many people thank i don't like congress that like me a lot. as much as they try to convince people to go vote, i'm not on the ballot. also happening right now, the deadline for the florida hand recount has now expired. all 67 counties had until noon to recount thousands of ballots. we're a minute past that time. on the line, the marquee race for the florida senate, governor rick scott is leading

democratic incumbent bill nelson by just 12,000 votes. first, let's go to #white house correspondent geoff bennett with more reaction from the president. what can you tell us about the mueller probe? >> the president talked about the man present narcissiin char overseeing the probe. he wasn't aware whitaker had a track record of being a tough critic of the special counsel investigation before he named him acting attorney general. that doesn't square with our reporting. the president also said he wouldn't stop whitaker if he tries to limit the scope of the special counsel probe. and he also gave a bit more detail about his earlier comments indicating that he's finished the written responses to robert mueller's questions, which the president's legal team plans to submit this week.

one source tells us the legal team plans to turn the questions over by thanksgiving. and the thing about that is, remember, the president is refusing to answer any questions related to obstruction of justice, which, of course, is a critical part of the special counsel investigation. the president's legal team believes the obstruction of justice portion falls outside of the russia probe's mandate. here's a bit more of what president trump told chris wallace this morning. >> you are submitting written answers to the special counsel about the issue of collusion, but not on obstruction of justice? >> there was no obstruction of justice. >> let me, if i may, just ask -- >> all you have to do is look at -- >> is that your final position that there's going to be no sit-down interview and nothing written or in person on obstruction? >> i would say probably, probably. i can change my mind, but probably. >> no interview? >> i just we've wasted enough time on this witch-hunt, and the answer is probably.

we're finished. >> the president says we're finished. so he seems to be ruling out a sit-down interview with the special counsel team when it's something he's pushed for in the past, something he said he would be eager to do. why is that? the president and his legal team says they're concerned about a perjury trap if he were though speak with mueller. legal experts point out there is no such thing as a trap if the witness simply tell us the truth. alex? >> don't go anywhere. i want you to stay with us as i bring the panel. good day to both of you joining us now. what happens if the president does not answer questions related to obstruction of justice? how does that complicate matters for mueller? >> sorry, was that for me? >> yeah, i'm sorry. >> it means mueller as he tries to finish this report we've all been saying that he's been working on now under the

scrutiny of matt whitaker, who's a huge trump supporter and critic of this problem is and its expansion, is not going to be able to plug in certain answers, when asked about this, the person we investigated said that. we expect in general that report -- what do we know? we expect that report to be shades of gray and ambiguous material and sort of eye of the beholder. it would be nice for history if nothing else to have something more than the boilerplate denials trump puts out. there's no obstruction he said to chris wallace as chris was trying to get him to say something real. >> jay, what do you make of the president downplaying this whole q&a process of mueller. he calls it simple, it's not a big deal. what is your read on how he's handling this whole thing? >> it's another way for crump to say move along here, nothing to

see, this is all totally fine. there's no obstruction, no problems with breaking the law. this is really just not a big deal. that's the way he's categorizing it. and then he says it's a massive witch-hunt when in reality it's not a big deal kind of thing. obviously we have to wait to see what the report says, but there's been a lot of people who've been indicted. and so clearly it is a big deal and clearly i think there's concerns by the president. look at his tweets this week. this could have very significant-reaching implications for people very, very close to him. so maybe it's not a big deal for the president, but it's a big deal for potentially his son, his son-in-law, and certainly a lot of his former staffers who have already pled guilty or have been indicted. >> you know, jeff, he's gotten

angry and bitter because of the midterms, the results therein and the mueller investigation. here's what he said about that. let's all take a listen. >> how dark is your mood? >> it's very light. it's fake news. i will tell you, i'm extremely upbeat. the white house is running like a well-oiled machine. it's doing really well. i have great people. i will make some changes, but not very many. i'm very happy with my cabinet other than, you know, a couple of compensations, even there, i'm not unhappy. and i will tell you that it's so wrong the reporting about me, it's so wrong. i'm loving what i'm doing. >> is this an accurate description in the white house? >> not entirely. people close to the president say the mood in and around the west wing is pretty dour, especially as it relates to the russia investigation. there's an anxiety set this that

mueller could be ready to pounce at any moment now that his self-imposed quiet period is over and any number of trump allies or family members could be staring down the barrel of an indictment. the president has taken comfort at least in part in the fact that there is now a trump ally, a perceived trump ally in matt whitaker who now oversees the russia investigation. you heard the president say that he might make changes to the cabinet. he said he might make changes to as many as five positions in his cabinet. of course, that could include the homeland security secretary kirsten nielsen. and then suggested it wasn't a guarantee that john kelly would stick through 2020 election. >> i want to move to the khashoggi situation. start with you, charlie, on this. the president was asked about the audio recording of the kill of khashoggi. "the washington post" columnist. it was provided by turkey.

here's what the president said about that. >> we have the tape. i don't want to hear the tape. no reason for me to hear the tape. >> why don't you want to hear it, sir? >> because it's a suffering tape. it's a terrible tape. i've been fully briefed on it. i said to the people, should i? they said you really shouldn't. there's no reason. i know everything that went on on the tape. >> and what happened? >> it was very violent, very vicious, and terrible. >> so charlie, the final report on khashoggi and the killing, what are you hearing about how all this might go down considering the president's comments of how important an ally the saudis are? >> it's very, very clear that president trump does not want to have any kind of unbridgeable rupture with the crown prince of saudi arabia who we usually call mbs, mohammed bin salman, over this. one of the things that is apparently on that tape that trump doesn't want to listen to

is one of the killers calling an aide to mbs and saying tell your boss the deed is done or something like that, of course in arabic. this is a situation in which turkey by putting out this information and other sources here in the united states making it clear that the evidence is very glaring here, are putting president trump in a position he doesn't want to be in and it's sort of analogous to the intelligence community saying russia was trying to help him win the 2016 elections and he keeps saying, who knows. even this morning he said, well, who knows, but mbs is a great ally. >> what's extraordinary, jay, the president said the final word wasn't in as to whether the prince was involved. the cia said he was involved. you have to wonder why the president would be hedging on

this. to a greater degree, how extraordinary this is that you have the state department and the cia at odds because mike pompeo, secretary of state, former head of the cia, is not backing up the findings that have been alleged by the cia. >> alex, this isn't the first time that the president has basically gone head-to-head with the intelligence apparatus in the united states. there were 17 different intelligence agencies that said that russia had hacked the 2016 election and he denied it for a long time and ultimately said begrudgingly maybe they did. but with this is very much the way donald trump works when he wants to sort of mold the narrative to what he wants to get done. in this case he really wants saudi arabia to be an ally of his. he believes they are crucial and key to our defense in that region and to our power structure in that region. >> and economic reasons he

cites. >> exactly. so the oil that they have, he doesn't want to let go of the arms sales to them and he believes someone else will sell them the same arms. why lose american business. he's glossing over and pretending it doesn't happen. that's his own reality bubble saying this is the way it's going to be. >> are we going to learn more thanksgiving day or soon thereafter? >> we certainly could. at least is it relates to saudi arabia, i think this will be a situation where the president's hand is forced perhaps by a bipartisan majority on the hill because there is this sense that saudi arabia, to include mbs, the crown prince, has to pay. they have to account for what happened to this journalist and not just jamal khashoggi, but also that role in the thousands of civilian deaths in yemen. certainly this will be a story that we're watching this coming week, alex. >> okay. charlie savage, jay newton

small, geoff bennett, thank you and happy thanksgiving, my friend. happening now the deadliest wildfire in california history now even deadlier. the number of people killed in the camp fire has risen to 76. listen to this, nearly 1,300 people are missing or unaccounted for. that fire burned almost 10,000 homes over 232 square miles. here is a look at an official cal fire forestry map of paradise. red represents homes and structures destroyed so far. that area right there is roughly the size of chicago, and the fire is only 60% contained. scott cohn is joining us from paradise. you find yourself in a mobile home park today. talk about what's going on there. >> reporter: yeah, alex, some transitions going on today. the first of those is the weather. we're seeing blue skies now. the air quality has cleared somewhat, but what that means is that the winds have picked up, so we're under red flag warnings now until late this afternoon.

that's going to continue to test the progress they've made on this fire. the other transition going on is that some of the evacuation orders on a limited basis are being lifted, but people wills signs like this and they're being told to be on the lookout for human remains. for the people who are still evacuated, who are still waiting to get back here, they're now transitioning a bit as well as they were kind of dazed and just lucky to be alive over the last couple days. now they're starting to think about their situation and what lies ahead. >> there's families living on the streets that don't have anywhere to go. but there's rain coming, you know. there's kids sleeping in tents. there's families living in motor homes and driveways, you know. and insurance isn't happening fast enough, and some people don't qualify for certain things

with insurance. fema denies quite a few people, so it's getting the extra financial help, was a message that we wanted to make sure he understood. >> reporter: that was one of the survivors that spoke to the president yesterday trying to get that word out, but it is still a desperate situation. you heard about the 1,200 people still unaccounted for. there could be a lot of duplicates in there and officials saying not to be to fixated on that number. there is rain in the forecast, that's a good thing in terms of progress with the fire, but that could make recovery of remains that much more difficult and it raises the risk of mud slides. alex. >> it's just heart breaking. scott cohn, thank you so much. alexandria ocasio-cortez and all other exposure on social media since being elected. will a new challenge she made on facebook, could it hurt her on capitol hill? a bit later this hour,

former white house chief of staff andrew card on what the president said about the khashoggi case and the u.s. relationship with saudi arabia.

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happening now in florida, the noon deadline for a manual recount of votes in the midterm senate race has passed. it was triggered by that slim lead 12,600 votes. we're in rivera beach.

when do we get the results? everyone is waiting with bated breath for those. >> and we are refreshing the secretary of state's website waiting to see that official results line pop% up. that's what the secretary of state's office told me. we can expect to see it on their website. the noon deadline has passed, so what we're waiting to see is if all 67 counties in florida made that noon deadline where they were supposed to put in not just their absent and signature mismatch ballots, but also that hand republican count we've been charting across the state. palm beach county is one of the places where there were questions if they would meet the deadline. we would expect in the senate race one of the most hotly-watched races in the state, they will meet that deadline. we're waiting to hear from susan booker inside. the interesting thing here is bill nelson had a 13,000 vote margin he needed to close. yesterday the papers were saying that was a near impossibility that that margin would close or even flip in his favor.

now they seem to be writing his political obituary. now many people saying rick scott is effectively the democratic career killer. he took out alex sink when he ran for governor. >> as soon as you get that refreshed, you let us know. thank you so much. president trump says he may shut down the government over funding for a border wall. funding runs out december 7th, three weeks from now. >> we're talking about the border wall, we're talking about quite a big sum of money, about $5 million. and i think probably if i was ever going to the a shutdown over border security, this would be a very good time to do a shutdown. i don't think it's going to be necessary because i think the democrats will come to their senses. >> joining me now, congressman emanuel cleaver, good to see

you, sir. thank you for joining me. >> good to be with you. >> i'd like to know which is more likely, that congress comes to some sort of an agreement to fund the wall, or government shutdown effective december 7? >> it would be very, very good, particularly during the season of thanksgiving for us to shut up about a shutdown. we don't need that kind of talk right now. i think that it's very clear. the democrats are not going to vote to shut down the government and, frankly, i don't think that it could get through the senate anyway. and so, you know, i don't think -- right now the united states of america desperately is in need of a faith lift. and that is a lifting of their faith in government. and a shutdown and all the talk about a shutdown does nothing about lifting the faith of our

american public and their institutions for which they've held in high regard over 200 years. >> before i move off this topic, though, i do want to ask if you see a place, a room for compromise here. is there something the democrats are hoping to get out of any potential budget deal? >> well, there are some things i think we can work on. i think there's generally consensus we can do some kind of overhaul or criminal justice reform. i also think that we are very interested in some kind of a bill that deals with reforming elections. those children on the border. those are things we would be interested in working with the white house to get accomplished, but a shutdown is not going to happen and we're not going to vote to build a useless wall

separating us. this ought to be a time for the demolition of walls, trying to create some relationship with people instead of setting up barriers between as you say let's talk about you. you're back for an eighth term. first let's focus on incoming congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez who is backing a campaign to primary fellow democrats with more progressive democrats. let's listen to this. >> all americans know that money in politics is a huge problem, but unfortunately the way that we fix it is by demanding that our incumbents give it up or by running fierce campaigns ourselves. that's really what we need to do to save this country. >> this is part of a facebook live event she held in her apartment yesterday. someone like ocasio-cortez, is she a force to be reckoned with or is she getting off on the

wrong foot with her future colleagues? >> look, congress is a tough place. if you're not able to establish relationships, you're not going to very successful. there's nothing you can do in congress alone except humiliate yourself. everything that is accomplished in one's congressional career is done with others. and so i think if you've been around in congress for a while, give advice, if you're just coming to congress, consider it. >> what about nancy pelosi who's facing a potential leadership challenge from the progressive wing, that being from ohio congresswoman marcia fudge. >> marcia after you come a very dear friend of my wife. i love ma sha fudge. i think nancy pelosi has been an amazing leader.

marcia hasn't chosen at this point to run. she's considering it. but look, unless we have a candidate out there opposing nancy pelosi, there is no contest. and i know a lot of the people who are opposing her are saying, okay, we'll not give her enough votes to get it, we'll create chaos and out of chaos a candidate will rise. but look, let's be clear here. that's not a strategy. that's a tragedy. what we're seeing now are people who are going to create confusion. the only thing that comes out of confusion, i think, is problems and more chaos. so i'm not -- i think we need to move ahead. marcia fudge could pretty much be anything she wanted to be, and i would be a strong supporter. she hasn't told me that she's definitely running, so until she

says that, nancy pelosi is running alone and you need somebody to beat somebody. >> very interestingly, nancy pelosi picked up an endorsement from the president yesterday. >> i would help nancy pelosi if she needs some votes. i would perform a wonderful service for her. i like her. can you believe it? i like nancy pelosi. >> what's behind that? what's the president's angle there? >> oh, lord. look, i mean, that's a good -- nancy pelosi is very likely going to be the speaker. she doesn't need president trump's support. but, you know, as people in my district know, i love donald trump, so i'm going to follow his advice and try to help him get nancy pelosi into office. >> are you dripping with sarcasm

there? continue, please. >> look, the president could have said it with a straight face. nancy pelosi has been very successful. the reason i think a lot of the people on the other side dislike her is because she's been successful. and a lot of people need to understand this. you see a duck on the pond, looks like he's floating along. what you don't see are those westbou webbed feet under the water, that's how nancy pelosi functions. she gets things done on capitol hill in ways that are not public sized. i know. i was there for the affordable care act. and other members of congress will confirm this. the one human person responsible for for the affordable care act becoming law is nancy pelosi. >> i want to quickly with my last question ask you about the axios report that there are 80

different investigations that democrats will pursue after the beginning of the year. first of all, really are there 85? and second, which one do you want to have undertaken first? >> let me just tell you. since the election i haven't spoken to one single person, including people like adam schiff who are saying we got to get our investigations organized and so forth. people are looking at, first of all, looking at ways we can pay the american public back for the confidence they've expressednouexpressednou in us. make no mistake, we're going to have accountability and balance like the founders intended. we're a separate branch of government. we don't have to obey the white house. we're going to have accountability and oversight. for many in the american pick up, they haven't seen that, so

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president trump is downplaying an assessment by the cia that the saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman personally ordered khashoggi's killing. nbc news confirmed president trump said this when asked about it. >> will you confirm whether the crown prince was responsible for this? >> we're taking a look at it. we also have a great ally in saudi arabia. they give us a lot of jobs and a lot of business, a lot of economic development. they have been a truly spectacular ally in terms of jobs and economic development. and i also take that -- i'm president. i have to take a lot of things

into consideration. >> joining us now, andrew card who was the white house chief of staff under president george w. bush. look, you know very well this very deep-rooted, very complex diplomatic and economic relationship between the united states and saudi arabia. does it surprise you that president trump is openly weighing that aspect of the relationship with the killing of a journalist as he talks about economic development and support versus what amounts to human rights? >> first of all, i honestly believe the crown prince must have been at least knowledgeable of the murder that took place, which was outrageous. but i'm also cognizant of the fact that the president has a bigger job to do than just solve a murder mystery. he's carrying a tremendous burden on behalf of the country. world war i started because of an assassination. we don't want to being through that again. it is appropriate for the president to be very measured and careful in what he does and consider all of the diplomatic

and national security angst that may be around any decision that is made. i'm not sure that i would go into the economic benefits back and forth between the united states and saudi arabia. i think he should be focusing on the national security concerns and the diplomatic challenges that might come if you strain your relationship with the saudis such that they will not be a partner in the war on terror to bring peace to the middle east, an effort to bring stability to the situation between the palestinians and the israelis. those are very tough issues. i'm actually empathetic to the president. but it's outrageous and no journalist should be murdered at the hand of any government. that's not right. but what are the consequences, unintended consequences? nobody liked what happened in world war i, that was the unintended consequence of an assassination that was taking place between the serbs and

sar -- we have to pray for the president and he's got to keep doing the right thing for the united states of america. >> even between the start of world war i and what is happening today, you were the chief of staff during 9/11. it is an indelible picture, you informing president bush of the attacks. 15 of the 9/11 hijackers were saudis. how tough of a balance is the relationship that the u.s. has with saudi arabia, and the need to hold that country accountable? >> it's a very tough relationship and it is hard to keep that balance in place. other presidents have had to deal with tough decisions that are made with regard to saudi arabia and they've done it pretty well. president george w. bush knowing that many of the terrorists that attacked our country came from saudi arabia did not have the support of the saudi arabian

government. the saudis were allies on our war on terror. that having been said, there have a wahhabi practice -- that has been a challenge. we don't like what the muslim brotherhood has done around the world, and it's a tough balance, but you still want saudi arabia as an ally in that critical part of the world, and not just in its relationship with other arab nation states, but also with regard to the israelis and with regard to the jordanians and what they do. it's a critical ally, we need them but we cannot kiss their ring. we have to hold them accountability. behind closed doors there should be some tough discussions and i'm hoping the president will ask tough questions of his diplomats, of his national security advisers, as well as of the cia and the law enforcement community. something should be done, but you should not be reckless in

making a decision. >> democrats made major gains in california. they now control surprisingly so all the long-time conservative bastion of orange county. why is that? has president trump done irreparable damage to the republican party in the state of california? and is there any way to reverse that? >> the way to reverse it is for the president to help lead an effort to bring coalition to the republican party so that it can regain some of the seats that were lost. you know, the seats that were lost in this election were not beyond that which is normal in history for a presidential term. normally the president's party loses seats in the so-called off-year elections and that's what happened. but orange county to the democrats is a very serious

wake-up call to the republican party. we have to get back to our roots. we're the part of -- party of collusion. the taxpayers' money is the taxpayers' money, not the government's money, and they have to spend wisely. yes, donald trump deserves some of the credit for the accident scenes did know we should have won and we should have been able to to hold the seats in orange county. >> national security council staffer mira ricardel was removed after makeup called for her dismissal. you know west wing dynamics. how unprecedented is melania's influence in demoting a seasoned staffer? how are west wing staffers going to feel about this directive from the east wing? >> i can speak from empathy.

first ladies have weighed in on staffers that they think weren't serving the president. that's usually a quiet conversation. what's unusual is the first lady went public with her concerns with a press release. and that is very demoralizing to anybody who's responsible for running the west wing, that would be the chief of staff. i think it's demoralizing to the people that work in the west wing to help the president do his job. so i'm hoping that chief of staff john kelly steps up and says i'm going to do whatever i can to make sure everybody who's working in the west wing is doing the job to help the president do his job. the president has a very tough job to do, especially in this climate where there's so much vitriol and so much divisiveness. but i'm hoping that the first lady will support the leadership that the chief of staff gives and speak quietly with the chief

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i won the senate. and that's historic too. >> but if you can't carry, and you certainly didn't carry it two weeks pennsylvania, you're with not going to get re-elected. >> i didn't run. i wasn't running. my name wasn't on the ballot. >> president trump in a new interview hailing the gop gains in the senate. the count now stands at plus 37 for democrats in the house after another california gop seat went to the democrats. turning so-called reagan country, that being orange county in california, from mostly red to all blue. joining me now, former vermont governor, howard dean, msnbc contributor, and susan delpersio, msnbc stlat gist.

didn't we hear the president saying, vote for me, pretend you're voting for me my name is on the bat locallot. didn't we hear that left and the right? >> we did. i don't know how he can claim the senate in the same breath and say he didn't lose anything else because his name wasn't on the ballot. it's just odd. >> let's play that, because i recall that. here it is, everybody. if anyone is just doubting, let's hear what the president was saying on the campaign trail sfw . >> i'm not on the ballot but in a certain way, i'm on the ballot, so please go out and vote. >> how do you make heads or tails of that, howard? >> listen, in guy is a crazy person and a liar. there's nothing new about that. i don't make much of it. i don't pay much attention to what trump says anymore. totally unrelated reality in 98% of cases. what do you expect? he said both things. they're in total opposition. let's move on to something that

maernts for the american people. this guy's a whack job. >> how are do it you think the president should be interpreting the blue wave in the house? >> he should be scared because he saw suburban women basically turn on him and say, no. he also saw a lot more democrats turn out in states that became competiti competitive. for texas to come within two or three percentage points is never seen before. to see georgia so close. florida we expect, we see it as a swing state, but it was supported donald trump. his win in the senate is true. they did well in the senate but they did not do nearly as well as they had hoped when we first started talking about this about 18 months ago. we were talking about going up to 55, 56 seats because the map was so in it the republicans' favor. so, there were -- the fact he kept -- the senate was kept republican is not so much a testament to him and the map and

democrats doing better than republicans thought they would. >> this blue wave, howard, is this more about a repudiation of donald trump or something that the democrats did? >> it's about two things. it is the repudiation of donald trump but also something the democrats did. i don't think the washington democrats get a the love credit. this was a grassroots movement put together by people mostly under 5 years old. it was 50 states wide. these were moderate kaecandidat not terribly progressive. this is a good omen of the future for the democratic party. >> susan, there was an op-ed, a new one in "the new york times" when pollster says it wasn't white suburban women that switched to democrats, parts of rural and working class peeled off, too. is it these votes are lost forever or just during the trump era? >> i think it goes to what the

governor was speaking about. it's not just the issues the democrats choose to focus on. they actually did a really good good job with candidate selection. they put the right candidates in the right district. they were appealing to their constitue constituency. when people question how there was a republican wave or how republicans -- i'm old enough to remember wr we're doing well in california, that's because they put good candidates in there. it goes beyond party labels in a lot of these states and because the president has made everything so divisive, people want to see things getting done. the other thing we saw was a lot more women and a lot more veterans. and i think that will definitely lead to a lot more progress. >> i want to pick up on what susan is saying about how the president has made things much more divisive. he's put out three head-scratching tweetses about democrats. he said nancy pelosi deserves

house speaker and stacey abrams and andrew gillum have good futures ahead of them. what's with the sudden praise for these three democrats? >> i rarely pay attention to what the president says. this is a guy who -- i think he's off. >> do you think he's looking for foyles, particularly in the case of nancy pelosi? get her in place and then, aim. >> my attitude is, why speculate about this? i would want to add, though, to what susan said, we also had a lot more people of color who ran and were elected. gillum and stacey abrams get all the headlines but there were a whole lot more, especially african-american women, elected to congress. that's the future of our party. our party looks like america now and the republicans doern't. that's a big problem for them. >> howard is clearly repudiating my question, so i want to ask

you about this. george conway's scathing interview about the white house. >> i'm watching this thing and, you know, it's like the administration is like a [ bleep ] in a dumpster fire. the tweets, like the witch hunt tweets, like this morning's tweets, their corrosive. even if they don't actually have a legal effect and they're not executed with order of any point, they have a corrosive effect over the medium to long term over the perceptions of the public on what is -- how the system operates. and that's disturbing. >> so, what do you think is behind that, susan, given who he is married to, kellyanne conway, consequence lor counselor to the. the. >> george conway is a established, brilliant attorney, someone who's an expert on the constitution. and i think he is, like a lot of americans and a lot of

republicans, very concerned about where this country is going and the way is president is willing to shred parts of the constitution. yes, there is something to be said how he's doing it, why he's doing it, when his wife is in such a senior role to the president, but i think he's already addressed that, saying there was no one prouder of him than -- than him of seeing what she did to basically get the president elected. so, i think it must be -- it really has to tear at his heart. i don't think they're doing it for pr. i think he's concerned and speaking from the heart. >> do you agree with that, howard? last word to you. >> i have no idea. don't know the man. i'm much more interested in results, i'm much more interested in turning the page on 2018 and looking ahead at 2020. we've got a lot of work to do. i just don't like all this speculation about inside the beltway nonsense. neither of these people hell the matter a lot. >> i'll get better questions for

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