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some. >> well, when a kid can dribble 24-hours a day, that is is a star, but it is less than one percent chance that kid will be a professional athlete. >> is that why we don't have athletics at team landry? >> we say why play for team when you own the team. and 86% of the kids got into stanford and top 50 universi universities. >> that is impressive. >> and not only this year, but last year we got the kids into those schools. >> i never believed in myself and nobody told me that i could do it, and they told me that dreams are possible as long as you come to work. >> that is a very inspiring story for this thanksgiving from our craig melvin. good afternoon and happy thanksgiving. i'm kasie hunt live in washington. this hour, trump unplugged in a whirlwind nearly hour-long teleconference this morning the president gave than fox the men and women stationed abroad and at the border and threw some
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shade pointing the finger a at the federal bench, and then thanksgiving with a side of lynch and comey subpoenas who have been called to testify before the hill about their election, and what can they say that we don't know? as you seen by now, monica lewinski is back in the news, and bill and hillary clinton refusing to be haunted by the history and instead, trying to push forward. kate snow with a look at what they will do next this hour but we start with breaking news. president trump unable to keep the politics off of the thanksgiving day table. last hour, president trump mett with members of the coast guard in florida, and a far less political message than the one he delivered an hour earlier when a phone call to the troops turned into the extended rant about the judges who rule against him and a conversation about a host of other topics. >> probably see over the news what is happening in our southern border. we get a lot of bad court
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decisions from ninth circuit which has become a big thorn in our side, and it is a terrible thing when the judges take over your protective services, and tell you how the protect the border. if we find that it is getting to a level where we are going to lose control or the people are going to be hurt, we will close that entry into the country for a period of time until we can get it under control. >> the whole border? >> i mean the whole border a. judge who knows nothing about it decided to take law enforcement into to his own hands and he gives a ridiculous ruling. >> and mr. president, can you conclude with confidence -- >> no, no, josh. they did not conclude. i am sorry. >> who should be held accountable? >> maybe the world should be held accountable, because the world is a vicious place, and the world is a very, very vicious place. >> and do you believe that secretary nielsen is doing a good enough job? >> well, she is in there trying, and if they have to, they will use lethal force.
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i have given the okay. i hope they don't have to >> well, then. in west palm beach we have white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, and here at the table, politico reporter kyle cheney and sue oswey and also, our roll call reporter. and kelly, we have to start with you and i was trying to fact-check what the president said a 40-plus or 45-plus minute and you know how long that went on, but this is not the first time that he has gone after the federal judiciary, and still, the attacks are heightened. >> so much so that it was a news buffet for us watching the president take the question os on such a variety of subjects, and it is a challenge sometimes to fact-check the president in realtime as it is happening. what is also stunning, casey, this is an event where the
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president is speaking by phone in a teleconference to members of the various branches of the u.s. military based around the world, and yet, he was engaging with them and by extension with the journalists in the room, and so therefore, the citizens of the country, a sense of the domestic issues and frankly politics which typically commander in chief would not subject those who report to him in uniform to that kind of the dialogue, and the typical speech would have been something more about pride in the service and inquiring about them, and he did, that and then went beyond it to rail against some of issues of the day. one of them of course is the frustration over the border- border-related issues. he has made the caravan sort of a buzzword in the country. he is talking about changes to the asylum rules for those who want to seek protection from persecution or political dur flesz their home countries and he is facing a new congress in
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j january and with that, there is going to be an inevitable battle over the budget, and before that, we have in december hit another one of those roadblocks and the president is saying that while republicans have control of both of the chambers, he is prepared potentially to put a government shutdown on the table without additional funding on the border wall. this is how he laid it out with reporters earlier. >> and cut down the wall in december -- >> well, it could happen over border security. the wall is just a part of border security and important part and probably the most important part, but could there be a shutdown, there could be. and it would be about border security of which there sis a part of the wall. >> and there was ever so briefly a shutdown of the trump administration over a weekend period, but we remember the one going back a handful of years
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where for 17 or 19 days or something like that, there was a terrible price to the country, and most republicans felt that it also dealt a negative political price to republicans who at that time were fighting over the law known as obama care. president trump not sounding like he is worried about the consequences of the shutdown and trying to extract more for the border wall and something that he talked a lot about in the midterm campaigning season as well. kasie. >> for sure, and this is a partial shutdown if it happened. kyle cheney, and pick up on that, because the president is keeping the politics of immigration front and scenter a we head into what is the final stretch of him, his party having control of both houses of congress. >> right. the president views this as maybe the last best shot to make a stand on the wall, and the democratic house is not going to entertain funding the border wall, because it is a
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non-starter. while he has control of government essentially, he is o going the make one big last fight and i'm not sure that the republican leaders want this fight knowing they are a lame duck congress, but the president does not want to let this one opportunity go. >> do they want this fight, lindsey? >> i am sure before the election, but post election, they got a beating in the house and lot a lot of seats and maybe it is not the right time, but there are conservatives in the house who do want to fight on it, and they know it is the last shot to get the border wall funding and there is going to be some internal debate about it. >> and also, aswan, in looking at the rebuke of not trump judges or obama judge, but a judiciary. >> and highly praised by the political observers and particularly those who do not like the president, the quote
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from the chief justice was, i have to say in a weird way the president is the one who has the finger firmly on the pulse of the servative movement of the political party than chief justice roberts. i am not saying that is the reality of the independent judiciary, but of course there are trump judges and obama judges and bush judge, and if there weren't, the 2016 election might have gone completely different way, and like chief justice roberts is a spawn of the conservative movement deeply animated by this very issue, and so, when even though president trump says it in a politically vulgar way, he is speaking more truth on this issue than the chief justice. >> and to be clear, i am not sure that i 100% agree with you sh, but this is the statement from chief roberts. we don't have obama judges or trump judges or bush judges or clinton judge, but what we do have is an extraordinary group
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of dedicated judging doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them. the independent judiciary is something that we should all be thankful for. and so, what happened when alito and president obama was there when he mouthed "you lie" and that sort of thing. >> well, you pointed out earlier in the show that the president of the united states going after these judges, not just justices burk judges in a really aggressive way, and look, he has said nasty stuff about john roberts dating back two to the three years from now, and it is baked into the equation that the president of the united states hates the word judiciary and in the term independent judiciary, so it a little bit of the outrage fatigue in regards to
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this ands as you were to point out if president obama were to say something anything close to this, it would have been a two-month cycle. >> and what is the end game here for the immigration, and he focussed so much on the caravan leadup to the election, and we woke up a couple of days later and said, hmm, we have not heard of the caravan as of late, and he is going to be entering the world here in washington where he has to live with democrats. >> i wish that we a knew the end game, and the president has not had the deal with the opposition congress in any respect, and so we don't know how he is going to be adjusting with, that and he has flirted with making the deals with democrats only to pull back at the last minute. i think that he is not, and so far, he is showing that he is going to have a oppositional fighting posture with the democratic leaders and said a couple of nice things about nancy pelosi, but those are maybe sarcastic, so i don't believe he is going to be adjusting well by democrats who have the power and the ability to stopped it a jen da in the way they didn't before.
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>> kelly o'donnell, if you are with me, and i would love fit you would weigh in on the president and nancy pelosi, because i have found it to be one of the more fascinating things to be going on behind the scene scenes right now. i know that you covered the house when nancy pelosi was the speaker the last time, and the president keeps saying, hey f she needs help, the republicans will give her the votes or i will give her the vote, and what is behind the president's posture on this? >> well, it is so striking, because republicans and the president, himself were very quick to vilify nancy pelosi as a tool of the election cycle where he would call on the voters if you don't want to say speaker pelosi for the next two year years, turn out. he is flipping around and now he is sort of presenting himself as coming to the rescue if she were short on the democrat-only votes to secure her place as speaker by saying, he would get some of his supporters on the republican house side to vote for her. one of the issues is that if the
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president were to curry some favor with nancy pelosi who says she can get there with the democrat-only votes, perhaps when she as speaker would be in the position of having to make decisions of whether or not her body goes into the areas of certain kinds of oversight or impeachment, and perhaps an ally, and there is some self-protection there, and nancy pelosi is as we know from covering her one of the most tenacious politicians in count ing her own votes and knowing what works politically, and at the same time, what we don't know if she would support efforts towards impeachment with the facts that we know them today, and certainly aggressive oversight, but finding ways to work with the president. so the president is now saying that he likes nancy pelosi and he respects her and she deserves to be speaker and so different from what we heard on the campaign trail, and if he were to somehow curry favor with her, and supporting her, and helping her, maybe perhaps rebound to him at some foint if she were
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less aggressive and a more progressive-type democrat were speaker of the house, perhaps a different future for the president president. it is delicious to dissect and talk about because these are adversaries in the many ways and could there be an alliance? certainly nancy pelosi will have her way of saying something about that, but she is looking to be on track to be speaker once again. kasie. >> i remember back to the dinner where somebodyb somewhere leaked that she had said, hey, do the women ever get to talk around here? and lindsey, let's talk about the leadership fight, because it is something that we both cover everyday in congress, and hate banz good week for nancy pelosi, because she flipped one of the people on the letter and marcia fudge dropped her speakership bid. where is this headed? >> to the trajectory of what is going to be not so many concessions by pelosi, and i
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watched the interview with congressman higgins, and he said, i got the commitment to be flipping the construction bill, and hey, that is on the priority list and out there, and the medicare bill of letting people buy in at age 50 is sure an idea that she said, yeah, you can work on that and we will get the support, and no real commitment there, and if the votes are not there, and she made no such commitment and he didn't get that by flip, and so i don't understand why he signed that letter monday. >> and it seemed a personal grievance, and he apologized for, and he was unwilling to talk about it. >> i took note, and i wonder and i don't have knowledge of the fact whether he was a plant on the letter to always going to flip, and so it looked like she was making opposition move in her direction. his news article in june when he came out with the opposition to her was surprising to her, and she is a smart political operative and i would not be
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surprised if there is not something more that we don't know. >> and thank you, kelly, lindsey and kyle and auswain. and the permission to shoot is a far different message on thanksgiving's message from the president to the troops serving on the southern border. outhern. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin... i want that too. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. what's next? reeling in a nice one. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop.
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officials say that the death toll of the camp fire now stands at 83, and more than 500 people are still unaccounted for, but many are thankful to have their family and friends safe. the community that is coming together in the face of tragedy and loss. nbc's steve patterson is in chico where the world central kitchen is doing what it can to make the holidays special for the victims there. >> and yes, kasie, this is the epitome of bittersweet. thanksgiving marks exactly two week since the camp fire broke out and started to cut through nor northern california and destroying the entire town of paradise, and right now, so many outside of the homes to try to figure out what to do for thanksgiving, and one of the solutions is right here. this is the campus of chico state. you can see the people cooking behind me. they are cooking for 15,000 meals, and trying to get people fed in the holidays after they have been displaced from the homes, and one of the people cooking is guy fieri, and i dont n don't know if you know him, but you probably do, and he is here organizing the troops.
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>> i will put that on you. >> and tell me why you are here and why this is important. >> umm, this is -- this fire, this fire that has happened, and the people who have been displaced is to a level they don't think that anybody could understand. in california, very close, you know, close tight-knit commu communities, and we had a big fire in santa rosa where i live three or four hours away, and we didn't lose anybody, but so many of our friends and family members did, and when we noticed that this was happening, you just have to come to help. that is what you do. that is what the community does and how you surround and support yourselv yourselves. i will tell you something, this has been crazy, but at the same time it is beautiful. you will see the folks who come together from world central kitche kitchen, and jose andreas who is a great friend of mine and the deployment, and i called friends and i said, i am going to the chico and going to start cooking
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for the folks in chico and we will feed 10,000 people, and who's down? so these people are all up at any ranch for thanksgiving and the wives are back with the young kids and the boys came down here, but we started smoking about 4:00 this morning, but you know what in is? it is thanksgiving is giving th thanks that we are fortunate to be in the situation to help other people. it is -- i don't know, man, it is hard to talk about, because i feel how fortunate to feel what we have, and the people who lost everything, and lost their homes, and their childhood memo memories and the pictures and the pets and their family members, and i mean, it is terrible. so when we have a chance to slow it down, pos some, because that is getting too thick. and it is not a race, son. but i think that, you know, what is the beauty of this is and i am glad that you are out here talking about this is the beauty of this is showing what a great country this is. we are a phenomenal country, and a phenomenal people, and it is
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unfoch n unfortunate the time we are in with all of the misunderstanding, and you have tragedy, and everybody comes to help and nobody is complaining about who is voting for who or what, and we are coming tot. >> yes, we come together. >> and we don't need more tragedy, but we need more coming together. why? because we fight hard to keep our policies and principles and energies and attitudes in the right way. we just need to unite with that, but this is a great travesty that happened. >> thank you, guy. >> are you ready to work? >> give me some gloves. >> come on, you can try it. >> i don't know how much goodly be here, guy fieri. >> and these guys, few of them are chef, and the thing is that they are -- we don't have a choice. we have to get it out. so we will serve inside of the
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kitchen kitchens right now great team of chefs doing the green beans, stuffing, mashed potatos and stuffing, and anywhere from 10 to 15,000 people, and out here 75,000 pounds of turkey, but i have to get them train and we have to deploy and people figure it out. you figure out what you want to do and some were erl up early setting the fires in the smokers and starting them on charcoal. and some were loading the -- and this is a big reefer full of all of the turkey that we have to work with, and everybody has a different job, so tell me what kind of job you want? >> maybe a cutter. i can be a ut cutter. >> okay. some gloves in there, and everybody jumping in and joining in, and let's do it. >> why not. >> possum, flip that board, will you? >> kasie, he going to teach me, but this is an incredible amount of volume here for so many people trying to give back on thanksgiving. thank you. >> and steve patterson, that is
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grea great, and what a nice thing to see happening on thanksgiving day. our hearts are with of course all of the people on this holiday in california affected by the terrible fires. up next, the freeze is on, and a turkey day cold snap is gripping the northeast, and we will get the latest forecast, and plus, live on the border with the troops for thanksgiving and they will talk about the unique message they got today from their commander in chief. from their commander in chief. you're headed down the highway when the guy in front slams on his brakes out of nowhere. you do, too, but not in time. hey, no big deal. you've got a good record and liberty mutual won't hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. you hear that, karen? liberty mutual doesn't hold grudges. how mature of them! for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates
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look at that rockefeller center, the christmas tree, and the ice skaters are brave soul, because i was going to say as you are ready for the big meal, i was going to say you might want to avoid outdoor activities in the northeast, because temperatures are to hit a record low there. and nbc msnbc bonnie schneider has the latest. bonnie >> well, kasie, we hit the record lows n. new york city, it is the second coldest thanksgiving ever, but the previous record is over 100 y r years ago. the low in central park dipped down the 19 degrees this morning, but i will tell you that for the macy's thanksgiving day parade, this is the coldest. for the way things are outside right now, it is cold out there,
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and the wind gusts were not strong enough to keep the balloons down for the parade which is great, but it is strong enough to make it feel like single digits or the teens in some areas. unfortunately, we are expecting more of this tomorrow going forward and the forecast will keep us frigid for black friday. not a lot of people not only getting out to shop but to travel, and so make sure that you wear the layers if you are out and about. looking at the forecast across the country, things are changing. while we had the cold a air across the east, it is mild, and the temperatures are looking comfortable for thanksgiving, and further no the wes-- furtheo the west and up to kansas and that air is going to push east but not yet. it is frigid today and we will see the changes going forward next week. in fact, thet pattern is going to shift to be colder to the west and milder to the north, and so that is good news going forward. a and in the meantime for the rest of thanksgiving, let you know out west, a rain and snow system that we are dealing with.
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it is beneficial for the burn areas, but keep in mind any time you have heavy rain coming down, there is the risk for the mudslides and something to be watching closely and more snow for parts of the rockies if you are traveling. mild conditions for the plains today, and comfortable conditions for those driving or out and about and the chilly weather persists for thanksgiving, and on the warmer spots of the south, florida, where we have temperatures in the 80s, and the rain is now coming in to the coastal areas of oregon and washington state. this is going to be a big rainmaker and actually a series of storms coming in. the first today and the second tomorrow. we will transition and hopefully get more wett weather here in this part of the country which is beneficial for the fires. and kasie s a cold one in the northeast, and we will have to get through it today and tomorrow as well. >> bonnie schneider, great to hear that may help out those in california who are having a hard time. thank you. >> and now, to politics. president trump in the morning phone call restated the position
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to reporters that american troops are needed to secure the nation's border with mex coach. he was asked about the troops being authorized to use deadly force. >> if they have to, they will use the lethal force, and i have given the okay. yeah. if they have to. i hope they don't have to. but you are dealing with a million of 500 minimum serious criminals and i won't let the military be take n advantage. i don't have any choice. do i want that to happen? absolutely not. >> nbc's hance nickels is in donna, texas, and stationed with the troop, and also with me is retired colonel jack jacobs. and hans, i want to start with you if you are getting reaction there or the sources at the pentagon of the question of lethal force, but also intere interested in what you are seeing down there on the border and what if the president is describing is remotely necessary.
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>> well, there is no official reaction no the president talking to the troops there which is standard, kasie, because whether it is twitter or press conference they wait for the official orders to go through the chain of command and we see that clearly with secretary mattis yesterday talking about whether or not he would use the new authorities that the president was talking about and authorities for the lethal force for detention, because what secretary mattis wants to make sure is that all of this is legal. they are sifting through it in the pentagon, and they have not even, as far we know, given the formal orders to change the missi mission. as is, the mission is twofold, border are reinforcement with which is the core of what you will see here. i want to point down here, and you will see that we have 1,000 troops stationed here at camp donna. they are sleeping in those two tents. they have showers over there, and now of the 1,000 troops that are here, about 500 of them are the battalion of the military police, and another 500 e engineers, and most of the engineering work here in texas has been done. they have laid all of the wire.
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and so the question is of course they have today off because it is thanksgiving, but the question is how is the mission going to change, and what are you going to be doing with the engineers here who have basically done their job? there is a role under the new authorities for the military police, but half of the troops here, it appears that half of the mission is done and they could be heading home by december 15th, but again, the mission could change and that could happen when they get for mall authorities from the president of the united states, and that is going to trickle down here. kasie. >> yes, for sure. and colonel jack jacobs, you are combat veteran and recipient of the medal of honor, and do you, and from your experience in the field, do you think that these authorities that the president is trying to give, is that legal for a u.s. troops to be used in this role, and does it fit in with what many of the soldiers feel their mission should be? >> it is contrary to the posse
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comatadas act which is 1876 which is precluding the active federal forces from enforcing state laws. and that is as a result of the civil war and the end of reconstruction and very heavy political component to it. but, there have been exceptios s to it, and there have been legal exceptions to it, and that is permission to use federal forces to do this sort of thing in the past, and several times indeed. so there might be some challenge to the president's authority to order this use of force down at the border, but it is probably not going to with starnd the scrutiny like i said that it has been done several times before that i know of. and the real question is whether or not a circumstance might arise in which the lethal force might have to be used and who is going to be making the decision
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to make it happen? i think that what this is all about is the following. i think that the president has delegated down the chain of command probably the secretary of defense or maybe the chairman to authorize and actually authorize lethal force if that is necessary rather than have to make the decision at the white house, but as you heard from hans, half of the job is already done. all you have to be left there is some military police and support troops, and the whole exercise fr from the beginning was just to provide engineering support, and military police support and logistical support to the national guard down there, and the border police, and likely is not that mission is going to be over before the end of the year. >> cornell, whkocolonel, what d the president's decision not the go to the combat areas of the
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tro troops, and he did make the call from mar-a-lago. >> well, it does not make sense to me, that presidents have gone to more difficult areas than the places where we are current ly stationed. we have troops everywhere in a wide variety of places, because we, you know, we have threats everywhere. it is disconcerting to see the commander in chief not the go visit the young men and women who are out there defending us everyday. >> hans nichols, and speaking of those young men and women, and what are the u.s. troops doing to celebrate the holiday that they are of course spending away from their families? >> well, they have the day off. it is too wet and muddy as you can see for the turkey trot, and maybe some pickup games, and trying to turn the tent, and remember, this camp donna here, it did not exist here three weeks ago, and they have cleared tout grass and leveled the areas to put down the tents, and so it did not exist and they are trying to make it with a touch of home and hanging the decoration, and
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numbers up at 4:00 this morning and cooking for 2,000 here, and that is 800 pounds of the turkeys, and that is with what they are deep frying and 3,000 servings of roasted turkey, and 14,000 pounds of steak, and 720,000 pounds of shrimp, and 300 pounds of mashed poe tatoes and baked potatoes that you don't want to confuse there. and when it come downs the amount of cake they have, they have cheesecake and 500 pounds of cheesecake, and doing the math which is three slices per soldier, soldier, and so they will be well fed and also the games will be on down there, and if they are muddy there from the pickup football games, they have some makeshift showers in there with the hot water, but we won't zoom in too closely on that. kasie. >> hans, thank you very much for that. i will say to switch gears a little bit that is a lot of fried turkey. and colonel jacobs, thank you to
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reminded of the 1990s clinton's scandal because of a newa and a special on the lewinsky scandal. >> i am amazingly encouraged. >> reporter: the clintons are going to go on a speaking engagement to stop in more than a dozen cities and canada. >> in a up close and personal live event -- >> reporter: and people are paying hundreds of dollars to have a once in a lifetime conversation of what is next for the the kcountry as it approac s approaches. >> do you want to run again? >> well -- >> there because pause. >> well, i would like to be president. >> reporter: and they are
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sharing anecdotes that shaped their careers in public service just as the past is coming under scrutiny again. >> i blurted out, you know, i have a crush on you. >> reporter: the affair between the former president and monica lewinski is back in the headlines after a compelling a&e docuseries, and the clintons had no involvement and nothing to say about the project, but the former white house intern and the other key players were given a chance to share their sides of the scandal. >> i just, i felt terrible. i was scared and i just mortify and worried what this would do to my family. >> reporter: the viewers left re-examining the events in the context of the me dtoo era ra a the clintons have been reluctant to face the 1990s and do not answer when pressed. >> do you feel like sit is an abuse of power? >> no, i do not. >> and did you apologize? >> no, i did not ever talk to
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her, but id did say publicly on more than one occasion that i was sorry. >> reporter: the former president saying that interview was not his finest hour. and since the docuseries aired, only a couple of comments on twitter. lewinski and the clintons determined not to be defined by the affair that captivated the country 20 years ago. >> that was nbc's kate snow reporting. so to talk more about this, i want to bring in the republican strategist noel and also, doug, campaign strategist in the 1990s. and doug, i want to start with you, because when i started to cover politic, everybody wanted bill clinton in the corner for them, and on the trail with them, and that is suddenly not the case anymore and why? >> well, i think that you have to -- well, with the metoo movemen movement, and that has impacted
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his, his potpularity, and this s impacting the democrats wanting him to be on the trail. i think that, you know, look, i think that he has slipped up a little bit on some of the interviews that he has done recently. but i think that democrats and if you are looking at hillary clinton, they are a resilient couple, and hillary clinton is someone over the years who has been able to the survive some very big disappointments reboun her husband, and so it is going to be interesting to see where they go in the next year or two, because it is a tough year for them, and tough couple of years since the election. >> fair enough. and noel, what do you make of the speaking tour that the clintons have mounted to go across the country and into canada and a bill eed as a conversation and the tickets are costing a couple of hundred
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dollars. >> kay zishgs sie, happy thanks and since i am the gop strategist here, i will be nice since it is thanksgiving. with the speaking tour, it is a chance for the clinton family to almost reboot or rebrand, and you know what, they probably need to. they have had a lot of scandal, and hillary clinton suffered a big loss, and lot of people were upset by the loss, and tour for them right now is a chance for them to rebrand maybe, you know, the new clinton brand, because the old clinton brand just is not working right now anymore, and what you stated earlier about bill clinton being a really treasured surrogate. that was true. amidst all of the scandal he was a still sought-out surrogate and not so much right now, and right now her brand is not that popular either, and right now with the speaking tour, it gives
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them a little bit of a chance to revamp that brand. >> hmm h. douwhere do you they clinton s into democratic politics right now? you heard in the package that hillary clinton was doing that interview with kara swisher that she said that she did not want to run for president, but she would be president. is there a serious consideration to her running again? and how is the party going to react to that? >> look, i think that when you win 65 million votes, that is the second most votes ever for a person running for president second only to barack obama. win the popular vote, and beat the sitting president by two percentage points, you have earned the right to think about running again. i don't know if she will or not, but there is a lot that the clintons have to offer this country, and they is done so much over the years, a and there is a the clinton foundation that does a lot globally and domestically and she is a valuable are resource on issues
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related to foreign policy and national security as well as domestic issues like poverty and children and families, so, you know, i think that the reaction from the party is likely going to be to give her the space to make that decision. she said in the interview that you cited earlier that she won't, but i think that she has earned the right. she won a lot of votes, and so, until we have a clearer sense of what the field s i imagine that maybe she will look at it. >> noel, is that the answer to beating donald trump in 2020? what do you think that it would take on the part of democrats to defeat this incumbent president? >> well, i think that if the democrat wasn't to look at a ticket that might be a feasibleb ticket to get some of those independents on their side, i the they a ticket that would look like something maybe michael bloomberg who certainly has the funds to self-finance with a vice president of like a kamala harris, and that is a
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ticket that would be pretty tough ticket, because you would is a self-funder and whom has a really good record. so it is up to the democrats and not me, but i think that is a pretty powerful ticket. >> all right. you heard it here firsts. thank you both. happy thanksgiving to both of you. >> to you. >> and thank you for the polite conversation at some point today one way or another all of you will be facing that big question when your family starts talking politics. what do you do? we will tackle that. the turkey talk when we come back.
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a new poll finds many americans don't have an appetite for poll atlantics at the thanksgiving table. 40% hope to avoid talking politics. just 15% are looking forward to it. our own mariano artencio found out first hand when she broke bread with members of both sides of the political spectrum. >> well, thank you guys for having us today, for this
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thanksgiving gala here in michigan. david, why don't you tell us where everybody in the family -- >> i'm the baby of the family. >> i'm a republican, being military most of my life, retired, 24 years. >> what are your thoughts? >> there has to be a change because there can't be all this hate yaen more. >> what about 2020? are you going to vote? >> depends if trump's running and we'll see who the other party -- it's really how i feel. i can't block 'em. >> the issue's and the president that those peel if hold themselv
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themselves -- >> are you going to taste this? >> yes, i'm going to try it. >> i would say taking care of veterans. >> you're a vet. >> one unifying factor, it would be support veterans. >> does anybody really think that -- wire on it so they can't get over it -- >> the bad guys can go around in boats. >> how does the country find consensus? >> has a country ever find consensus. >> we reach our litany. we used to do that. we stopped doing that. >> thanksgiving is the opportunity. >> there's families out there that don't caulk because of poll atlantics. >> we've been family locker than
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trump's been in office and we've been in this divisive political comment. we love each other, we're family, bottom line. that trumps everybody else. >> now there's a thanksgiving message i can get behind. we've been family longer than anyone's been president. ♪ ♪ i'm all for my neighborhood. i'm all for backing the community that's made me who i am.
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that wraps up this hour of
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msnbc. i'm kacie hunt. catch me every sunday night starting at 7:00 p.m. for now, ali velshi picks things up from new york. >> it feels familiar to me. happy thanksgiving to you. >> you, too. >> we're following breaking news out of washington. thanksgiving subpoena. the house judiciary commit quit has formally issued the paperwork for both james comey and former attorney general loretta lynch to appear before the committee. the two have been asked to appear for depositionings. the request is part of an ongoing investigation. kobe has responded by saying, happy thanksgiving, i'm still happy to sit in the light but i

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