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battles and on and on. let's digest, shall we? folks, if you thought the last two years was a part san brawl, you ain't seen nothing else. house testimonies are reportedly eyeing investigations and subpoenas into 85 white house targets. the president is threatening them he'll somehow get the senate to investigate them. voters nationally did send a message that they want the president to tone it down. but the president seems intent on doing just the opposite. this is what voters apparently wanted, trump versus pelosi. one is massively unpopular

nationwide, one is donald trump. one party, two government shutdowns. now imagine dividing development leading up to a presidential election year. again, if you thought the last two years was a partisan nightmare, you ain't seen nothing else. joining me tonight, mark murray, senior political editor at nbc. you know, mark, this is always the syringe abo the thing about the voters. they tell us one thing, but their actions give us something else. they don't want a partisan brawl, they don't want gridlock, but they don't want one party in

charge. >> at the end of the day you're going to have democrats in the house of representatives being a check and balance. the problem is sometimes you're a little too much check and balance. as we saw in 2012 and 2011 when house republicans took back for barack obama's reelection, that was one of the best things that could have happened to barack obama. they went too far. barack obama had his foil and he was able to put himself on a trajectory to reelection. >> well, could nancy pelosi be donald trump's best friend? >> i get the feeling we're going to hear her name a lot from the president in the coming months. a lot of these new democrats

came from progressive areas or they were in tough districts and they're said they weren't going to support her on they ran against the democratic establishment. they ran on health care and pocketbook issues, not things like investigating donald trump. the committee members leading investigating trump are mostly in urban or coastal districts. noing nancy pelosi is going to have to balance them. >> dante, you went to a lot of districts. none of them said we want more accountability of donald trump. did they know that was part of the deal or did they really mean please don't use your power to investigator him. >> i think they wanted to slow down the trump train. it's not just policy, it's who

trump is, who he is on twitter. for them it was a way for them to register i'm not comfortable with this. i do not think they were voting for impeachment. compromise, i'm sure they were voting for it. i don't know how realistic that hope was but a lot of them said let's get democrats in here to try and rein this guy back a little bit. >> everything is better with a montage or a scroll. we have a scroll. the president, his personality, he cannot walk and chew gum. he cannot compartmentalize. i think the democrats think they

can work with him on infrastructure and get him to sign a patient's bill of rights that protects perhaps preexisting conditions. and they think they with investigate him. trump doesn't act that way. >> just looking at that scroll stresses me out. 2016 to me was a great test case. you end up having donald trump and 100 different controversies, 100 different types of scandals versus hillary clinton having really just one kind of e-mail problem. and what turned out to be worse was that one issue. with donald trump there's so much out there no one can concentrate on anyone bad

misdeed. what is the one thing that could get voters? i feel like the most dangerous investigation if i was the president is the investigation of that hotel, because it's about profiting off of the presidency. forget everything else, but you came into the presidency and decided to make money. i feel like that is the most dangerous. >> for a president who wanted to train t drain the swamp and is losing cabinet members, whether it's tom price to ryan zinke. there's also the issue of releasing a little bit of a pressure valve for the amount of time and energy investigating

obama. there is a sense of not necessarily revenge -- >> oh i think it's the r-word. >> right. and now that we're in power, we're going to do exactly to you what you do to obama. if you say this is a political attack, we'll be able to point to the not too distant past and say you did the same thing to obama. >> i'm struggling with calling what happened in the midterms a wave. i look at indiana, missouri, i look for any race that democrats won that you're like how the heck did that happen. there was none of those. but it was a wave in certain parts. in suburban counties up and down the ballot, but it didn't spread. >> even the surprises, oklahoma,

south caroli south carolina when do you win there? i look at the demographics, that's how it happened. the democrats are grabbing seats they should have had, but why can't that extend further? if they're winning these urban centers, why isn't it extending further out. i think the reason for that is like this is just where we are. i think that we're going to be done with huge turnovers in midterms. >> interesting. >> there's going to be a range of seats like 20 or so that maybe go back and forth. republicans have grabbed rural america, flipped a bunch of democratic seats. democrats start taking the suburban areas.

>> with all the changes both in gerrymandering laws, thanks to a referendum that was out there, plus democrats made enough gains in some key states, this probably gets locked in. >> yeah. usually presidential years too, you don't see that much change in house contests as well too. so i would actually go into 2020 and maybe republicans may be able to have 10 or 15 gains pickup opportunities. but democrats left stuff on the table too. >> you can see them both make gains on their own turf. >> republicans did show up. president trump got his people out. it wasn't a wave, but there were a lot of people riding those surf board and we saw a lot of wipeouts. >> they did really well in the

areas that they knew they were going to do well in. they did extraordinarily well. ohio governor, like i can't get over that. >> there were a lot of races where democrats awfully close, places like texas 31 with hj hagar, number two. in a presidential year maybe those places are within reach that we never would have been talking about before this cycle. >> i don't want to march too far down the road to 2020. but when i look at those results and this map of turnout, the thing i would be most concerned about -- if you're the trump administration, donald trump won in 2016 by kind of surprising everybody. i have a hidden army.

that does not look like looking at the 2018 vote, that strategy is not going to be on the table for 2020. >> i talked to one republican strategist who said can't win without them and it is harder to win statewide with them. you can, but you have to keep juicing that base. and at what point does he run out of caravans? >> when you look at the exit polls in the places president trump went in and campaigned in, georgia, florida, ohio. his job rating was at 50% or very close to it. the national popular vote was 4 4 46%. he can change the electorate in some places with big rural areas. if i were a democrat, i'd be worried by that.

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a district that's long been held by the gop. >> so we started this campaign getting out in the community, talking to people, having meet and greet events in living rooms and dining rooms across the district. i attribute the victory to the fact that our strategy was from the start to the end of this campaign focused on talking to voters in their space, in their homes about the issues that are most important to them and really listening to people and talking about what their challenges and concerns are and answering questions and really showing up and being present in a way that the voters in our district really truly want their representative to be. >> what do you believe the mandate that you have is from your constituents? assuming you run for reelection, what is the accomplishment you need to have to take back to

your constituents to take the election? >> it's to continue to be accountable to people. it's really to focus on getting things done. we are a relatively 50-50 district so my mandate is to reach across party lines. the most top of mind issue is health care and the cost of prescription drug prices, the cost of rising premiums. but people are concerned about health care, particularly in the rural areas, access issues, people are concerned about education issues, job and economic issues, career and technical training and broadband internet infrastructure. >> there's a group of people who

voted for him two years ago who said i'm not doing that this time, i'm voting for ms. spanberger. how do you think he lost and what lesson do you take away from it? >> i think we really were able to win over a lot of voters by talking about bringing decency and civility back. it was really policy based. i was present and showed up across the district and i made a commitment to voters across the district that i am going to be a representative to those who elected me and also those who did not vote for me. >> you have been crystal clear. you have not been vague about your views on.

>> i don't know who would be challenging her. i hope a lot of that will become clearer when members head to washington for orientation in the coming weeks. >> is there anything pelosi could say to you to change your mind? >> my focus has been i truly believe we need new voices leading washington. i want to move forward in a way where we're focusing on really trying to solve problems and address the issues that are the mandate issues that sent me to washington. i have spoken very clearly about my stance and don't intend to

change that stance. >> it's very difficult. it looks like she's going to have the votes. that's tough to separate from. many democrats have tried to do what you did in past and it didn't work. how do you think you can somehow keep your distance from a leader of your own party if they indeed become speaker? >> i think it's not an issue of trying to keep distance. i have a tremendous amount of respect for leader pelosi and all that she's done. it's my goal and my position on what the speakership should look like in the future is a different thing. it's not trying to distance myself from anyone. it's me giving my opinion at this point and later casting a vote on who should lead the house in this next congress. >> many people came to the polls when we asked them questions

about the mueller probe for instance. only 41% approved of it. are you concerned that democrats are going to be too much investigating the president? or do you think some accountability is necessary because enough hadn't been done by the previous congress? >> i think congress has a variety of roles. congress has the role of legislating in a way that positively impacts my community. my district has sent me to washington to focus on a variety of the issues that are important. congress also has an oversight function. i think it's incredibly important that where appropriate congress execute and take action on its oversight function. for the time being i'm focused on getting ready to follow the mandate of my voters and how i

can address some of the issues that are most important to people in my district, health care and education and campaign finance reform and good governance and jobs and economic growth for our district back home. >> abigail spanberger. i'm going to leaf it there. thanks for coming on and sharing your views and congratulations again. >> thank you so much. up ahead, what does it take to topple a powerful house committee chairman. my conversation with the soon to be congressman from north texas. colin alred is next. for the good. and not so good. for the mundane. the awe-inspiring. the heart racing. the heart breaking. that's what life is all about... showing up.

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that changed when colin allred ran against him. allred won by a surprising six points. we knew it would be a race, but six is a lot when you consider the kind of incumbent he faced. recently i spoke to the congressman-elect and i asked him if he was impressed by the size of his victory? >> i wouldn't say we were surprised. it was a pleasant surprise. we worked extremely hard here. we had so many people get engaged in our campaign. we were taking our message door to door. i think we increased turnout here in a way that we haven't seen in a midterm in a very long time. i think that played a big part of it. >> to defeat a powerful committee chairman, i'm sure you ran into voters who said, look, it was part of the dallas

morning news editorial, i think it was part of the dallas mayor's -- there were some complaints back and forth but dallas city leaders supported the congressman by saying he brings stuff back to dallas. how did you navigate that issue? >> well, i think the people here were ready for change. they're ready for fresh ideas, new leadership. these are not positions for life, as you know. they're positions that if you stop doing the job and you lose touch with your constituents, then you can lose your position. that's what happened here. i think i had a story to tell about who we were here in north texas because i was born and raised here by a single mother and relied on this community. i think i had some insight into what north texas families are facing and that's what voters

responded to. >> what's the one accomplishment you think you have to have in order to justify your reelection? >> if i have my way, one of the first bills out of congress will be an infrastructure bill. we need that investment. president trump has said he wanted to do it. i think if we put it on his desk, maybe we can get it signed. >> you were speaking about your own background as somebody who's not white. you said this, there are some topics i have to talk about differently and there are some subjects where i'm probably not going to be the one to lead the issue. what do you mean by that? what issues do you think you have to navigate carefully? >> what i meant by that is that

there are some realities that we have to face that maybe i'm not always going to be the voice of certain movements. but what i try to stay focused on at all times is what's most important to the people here in north texas. it's how are we going to send our kid to college, what happens if grandma gets sick. these conversations are universal. those are the things i've stayed focused on. >> you think there are some voters somehow if you spoke out on a racial injustice issue, that while they supported you while you didn't speak out on racial injustice issues, they would on this? >> i don't know. i've tried to focus on the things that are broadly appealing, kind of cross-racial, cross-class appeal. those are the things that are most on voters' minds in an

election like this. >> you have drawn the attention of the folks over at the republican national committee. they put out a press release today. the subject line is who will break their pelosi promise. and they put you in a category of this, an actual category. they said you were a part of the "i am going to avoid the question because of how deeply unpopular pelosi is in my district caucus." it was referring to this idea would you support nancy pelosi for speaker of the house. are you planning to support nancy pelosi for speaker of the house? >> what i have said from the very beginning and what i believe regardless of what the rnc has to say is we need to look at who is running and hear their ideas and get some commitments from them on what we can get for north texas. i have i think some leverage from this position i'm in and i

want to use that. >> what if she's the only candidate? >> if she's the only candidate, that's a different conversation. but from the discussions i'm hearing, we will have some discussion about who's going to be running for this. >> have you heard from other people who are thinking about running for speaker? >> i have not personally. i believe from what i've been told that there may be. so i'm going to wait and see what that isn't. i also haven't spoken to leader pelosi about this. >> has she not asked you for your vote yet? >> not directly, no. >> congratulations. >> thank you, chuck. up ahead, a record number of women have just been elected to the house. what sort of change could that signal on capitol hill?

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welcome back. 1992 was dubbed the year of the woman, but 2018 clearly topped it, breaking records in the number of women elected to the u.s. house. more than 100 women will serve come january, most of them democrats. democrats got the 23 seats they needed to win back the claimer just on women candidates alone. obviously they netted more than 23. i spoke to two women who fuelled the historic shift a few days after the election. lauren underwood, who's district is just outside of chicago. and alyssa slotkin from lansing. i asked them if they believed their victory was a referendum on president trump. >> no. i think we were able to amass support from democrats, republicans, independents because of the overall tenor and tone of politics i think is fundamentally unbecoming of the country. so the president -- leadership climate is set from the top so he's certainly a part of it.

there was an overall feeling that washington was broken and integrity had evaporated from the system. it wasn't just the president. he was a part of it. >> how much did the president matter in your district? >> the president is certainly a factor. but we had not been well represented. we had a congressman who was not listening to our voice. in our district it was very clearly about representation and did we have what we deserved. >> it's, i'm sure, hard to think about the fact that you have to immediately think about reelection. but let me ask you what is the one accomplishment you have to have if you seek reelection two years from now? >> we have to protect health care for people with preexisting conditions. it is the most critical issue in this election. >> how do you think that's going to get done? >> it's going to get done immediately because we can protect the affordable care act,

we can fix it, we can stabilize premium prices, we can lower drug prices. but this idea that people with preexisting conditions might be vulnerable is something that i would never support. >> other than health care, i imagine preexisting conditions was huge in your district too, is there another accomplishment you have to have to earn reelection? >> yeah. we have to move on infrastructure. not just talk about it but put money toward it. in michigan we need once in a lifetime, our roads and our water. i live 15 minutes from flint, michigan. we have a water issue going on in our state. we need to walk the walk with real federal dollars. >> neither one of you brought up investigations of the president. how do your constituents view these presidential wrongdoings by the president? >> protecting democracy is critically important. article i of the constitution

the congress is designed to be a coequal branch of government. i think that there's certainly an interest to make sure that our critical pillars of democracy like free and fair elections can occur but that it's not our chief priority. >> you heard congressman schiff admit there's all these investigations and they can't cloud the big picture on substance. how concerned are you that it might? >> we have to watch it. if we can't as elected officials provide for people and help their pocketbook or their kid, we do not deserve their vote. we can protect american values and hold accountability for the executive branch, but if we can't do things on health care and infrastructure we're going to lose people, especially in the midwest. >> the rnc put you in the i

promise am going to avoid the question caucus. being a little snarky. is there anyway under any circumstance you can imagine supporting nancy pelosi as leader of the democratic party? >> i never want to be disrespectful for anyone who's served, but in my district you need to hear what people are telling you. they want on both sides of the aisle a new generation of leadership. i'm going to wait to see who else emerges and make my decision. >> where are you on this? >> i believe that we have a real opportunity to support a speaker that's going to move forward in agenda, allow bills to come to the floor to protect health care, to jump start our economy in northern illinois, maintain public schools, et cetera.

i'm interested in supporting someone who is aligned on that type of agenda. >> you're still open to supporting nancy pelosi as speaker? >> i'm looking at having a conversation with her and whoever else might be on the ballot for speaker. >> how will you sell your constituents? >> i'm going to work with whoever is speaker. i'm going to work with whoever is there. i've got to do right by my constituents so we're going to work together. amazing as it sounds, americans can disagree and still respect each other and go on and do good work. >> who is the leader of the democratic party? >> that's a good question. you know, what's been really wonderful in this election is that each congressional candidate was able to set the tone and agenda for their race. so i don't know that we have a national leader. and i think that's just fine. >> i'm in the same boat. i think the lesson of this

election was that you got to run your race for your district. there is no megamessage that's going to win things across the board. we have new energy in our party which is great, but it's diverse. >> congratulations. welcome back to washington. >> thank you. >> thanks, chuck. there you go. pretty good taste of the new democratic conference, at least the freshmen. ♪ ♪ the united states postal service makes more holiday deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. ♪ with one notable exception. ♪

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time now for the lid. donald trump's been good for one thing, civic engagement. whether you love him or hate him, he gets you to show up to the polls. we're estimating more than 113 million total votes. could get as high as 115. this makes it only the last four presidential erectielections ha higher turnout than 2000. >> it only means to me that 2020 is going to be humongous. let's talk about overall political engagement. donald trump, if anything, has actually made people very savvy politicos in this country and not only to be voters. but also just the conversations i was having with regular

viewers about what's going on in california 10. >> my ep was just lecturing me about using numbers to describe the districts. you're right, this engagement, people certainly knew -- trust me, you'd go and see beto t-shirts in new york city. >> in addition to voter engagement, there's also candidate it's risky to be a first-time candidate. it's one thing if you're a state senator or you've run statewide before. but a lot of these people were pediatricians or nurses or army vets or other veterans who had no previous experience. and, you know, other outside organizations were looking at them being like, oh, the book is going to be huge on these folks. >> thank you. and this is -- i don't know if i

want to give credit to the washington crowd for at least backing off of them tinkering too much, but let's be realistic. sharese davids wouldn't have even been recruited three cycles ago. the national democratic party would have been a stereotype about cans cabkansas. but no, go be yourself. >> if you're going to a place they don't feel as comfortable about, it's like let's just try something. to me, the ebb thus amp, the voter excitement, what is it about? it's about we are still living through the 2016 campaign. >> i want to put up a quote from terry mcauliffe. he realizes it's the 2020 field as much as anybody. >> i'm one of the ones. there's probably 30 or 40 seriously thinking about it. i'm going spend my time over the holidays. i have five children spread

around the globe. they'll be home for the holidays. i think first and foremost, you have to have a family discussion and i will do that. >> that was a generic response. i think he's right, 30 to 40. mcauliffe is in. he's going to see if there's room for him. there may not be. he's well aware of the clinton fatigue, all those things, but he's sitting around going, why not? why not be? i've been a governor in a state that did pretty well economically. >> yet again, my stress level goes up. chuck is the political unit. we put together the issue, dossiers for these people internally, on the debates, how we script all the questions. but, right, also one thing worth realizing that all presidential fields narrow down and get whittled down. and yes, we might start at 30 or 40, my goodness, if that really is the case. but voters, money, has a way to reduce that. maybe, you know, like the republican field went from 17 to 8 or quickly.

>> biggest names that will end up not running that everybody assumes is running right now. who is in your head that you question whether they will follow through? >> first of all, hillary clinton, the fact that she has been discussed as a -- you know, people have taken the quotes. >> that was mostly mark pen who might be less knowledgeable about the democratic party than anybody who claimed to have worked in the democratic party in the history of the democratic party. >> and because those generate a lot of headlines. >> they do, right wing headlines and serious ones. >> i also say joe biden. >> the biggest name not running. >> yes. >> how about you? >> joe biden. i don't know if his heart is in it. it's a lot to walk back into it again and decide it's something you're going to do. i'm not sure he's going be in the field. >> bernie sanders. he might do it, but he'll find out it might not be as fun the second time around. >> and he had no bar to clear

before. oh, he's the cooky socialist from vermont. >> now you had harder questions, more scrutiny. >> kirstin jilly brand might be looking around wondering, is there -- i don't think people want to run to just get on the stage. i think they want to see if they had a constituency. and i just -- you know, i know she irritated some donors over al frank. is there room for her and elizabeth warren? >> yeah. and what about kamal harris. she steps into the fray, as well. i think it's a legitimate question. i'm not sure if -- look, she brings new york, right? but democrats are going to carry new york. and the part of the party that's out there is open for a lot of people to grab. >> and now andrew cuomo wants to run. she's got a crowded field in new york city. right? >> and we didn't get a definitive answer from the midterms. i think a lot of people were

looking to the midterms for like, who is the candidate who is going to be the dragon slayer? what works? do you have to have moderate or progressive? >> and are you looking at georgia, are you looking at florida, are you looking at arizona where sinema ran and did well or are you looking at the house races in an area where somebody who was boring ended up prevailing. >> but go find one guy who can win wisconsin. so nominate tone ny -- tony evers. >> how about billiarack obama 2r is it one person who is able to fuse both of those? maybe that is your nominee. you but that seems to be the two different pockets. >> beto, should he run? >> run to win? if i were him, i would think about vote to go become vice

president. >> well, don't run if you don't want to win. i'm convinced that bernie actually didn't necessarily run to win until all of a sudden they could. he wasn't ready to run to win. the team was, but he wasn't. >> if he runs, do i think he would win? i think probably no. but if the fire is there, go for it. >> if he doesn't run, what is his next move? >> the folks that say he was run in 2020 and run aren't looking at the ted cruz seat. >> beto overperformed like you would not believe. to me, there is a potential path for him. the question is can he sustain that enthusiasm and the phenomenon over a three-year period. he caught lightning if in a bottle for one year. can you extend that for three years? >> he ran a race against the advice of everybody

conventionally. i would argue that's what voters keep saying they want. i mean, you could -- you know, i sort of look at it and say how does he not run? >> i see a lot of obama parallels, too, in the sense that he has become this empty vessel for frustrated democrats who wanted a place to put this frustration and anger. they theed a place of hope. and he offered it to them. and he became this -- >> i feel like he's one of these people that can do both. >> minus the senate seat, though. >> abraham lincoln proved in 1898 that -- >> the problem is, if you're comparing yourself to lincoln, good luck with those. we'll be back with monday with more tv daimtp daily. have a wonderful holiday weekend. the consequences underwater can escalate quickly. the next thing i know, she swam off with the camera.

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off the to the races. >> after the midterm elections, democrats may be feeling the wind at their back. with president trump already campaigning for re-election, there's a host of democratic hopefuls raising money, visiting key