>> totally. and i think listen, this president is never happier than when critiquing media. he should be in the media critiquing business, he loves doing it. >> fox news doesn't give him enough political -- >> give this to katy tur. me thanks to you. "blood feud" is out tomorrow. it is a novel, fiction. you need it now, escape from the news. "mtp daily" starts with my friend, katy tur. you know who isn't running for that state media network? >> depends. i am kidding. should call it escape from white house and mike lup ka. nicole wallace, happy monday. if it is monday, in the words of eric cartman, respect

my authority. good evening. i am katy tur in for chuck todd. as many americans are back to school and work after thanksgiving, president trump got back to attacking special counsel robert mueller and his investigation. we know we're going to get an update on paul manafort's cooperation with special counsel, anytime now, we also know jerome corsi plans to reject a plea deal from robert mueller. and we know all of this is coming at a crucial time for the president. today he tweeted when mueller does his final report, will he be covering all of his conflicts of interest in a preamble? will he be recommending action on all of the crimes of many kinds from those on, quote, the other side. whatever happened to podesta? will he put in statements from

hundreds of people closely involved with me campaign who never met, saw or spoke to a russian during this period. so many campaign workers, people from inside from the beginning asked me why they have not been called. they want to be. there was no collusion. and mueller knows it. you're shaking your head at that, you are not alone. we know the president when he feels the walls are closing in, he lashes out and let's his authoritarian impulses show. today he warned he may close the southern border permanently if mexico doesn't move the migrants gathering there. that comes after temporarily closing port of entry yesterday after they fired tear gas on migrants trying to enter the u.s., a move the president defended earlier today. >> they had to use because they were being rushed by some very tough people and they used tear gas, and here's the bottom line. nobody is coming into our country unless they come in

legally. >> president trump faces partial government shutdown in 11 days. his party will lose control of the house in 39 days. when it comes to running the country, the only voice the president seems to be listening to is his own. >> for having a great family, for having made a tremendous difference in this country, i made a tremendous difference in the country. this country is so much stronger than when i took office that you wouldn't believe it. >> i love me. let's bring in tonight's panel. national correspondent for "new york" magazine. you know, i say it ingest, quoting cartman, respect my authority, but that's kind of what the president, not kind of, it is what the president is doing. i want to shut down the border.

i want to use lethal force. i want to trash robert mueller and the investigation, i'm going to do it, et cetera, et cetera. >> he says he is going to do it, he of course doesn't have the power to do a lot of these things. >> he has people scrambling around him. >> he recognizes the power of setting the agenda in washington, particularly when it comes to saying things that we have to cover and figure out can he do the things eggs talking about. he loves being the world's assignment editor. it often feels like these are things that we learned on day one of his campaign that keep replaying over and over and over. >> when he was tweeting about mueller this morning, i don't know if you guys caught up with it but i felt like it feels like it is a lashing out of desperation now more than ever. i don't know if that's just me reading the headlines and the kind of supposing the president's feeling the walls close in or does it feel more desperate than it was six or eight months ago. >> we know that he knows more

about the mueller probe than before because of questions he was asked in the questionnaire mueller submitted to him. presumably he can glean some sense of what it is that mueller wants him to answer. and maybe that has made him more nervous. on the other hand, this could also be a retreat into the greatest hits. in other words, he is out, it has been the weekend, he wants to supply his troops out there with new juice. he has nothing much new to say. there's not much new happened. it may well be that there is no -- mueller is going to say there's no collusion, so he can sort of go through this process of saying why is he this, why is he that, and get the trump base riled up a little bit. not to much effect i don't think. >> isn't he bored of talking about the same thing every day? >> you would think but the guy is not -- the guy has one thing

in common that he has with george w. bush, somebody that would go on the campaign trail, said the campaign was about four things, four things for 18 months. hammer them, hammer them. he wanted that message to go through. trump has the same message discipline. he wants to say strong borders, tariffs, mueller is bad. and he just does it over and over. >> i am responsible for oil, et cetera, et cetera. there's a lot going on and there's a lot he could be governing on. he could be putting forth bills that are going to bridge him to the next congress. could be an infrastructure bill that would give an olive branch to the democratic party to work with them instead of antagonizing them further and drilling the same four points home over and over on twitter and television anytime there's a microphone in your face. >> that would make sense if you believe he became president becausee policy ideas for the n.

that continues to be proven not to be the case when it comes to trump and the trump administration. so much as he has his own personal agenda around the way he thinks the government should work, so he himself, his family and people like him are able to benefit. i think he has done a great job, beating home this message that we think he should be bored of, he is doing a good job of gas lighting people. he wants us all to tune out, say god, i am tired of hearing this and tune out. then he wants people that are incited by, receptive to it, to end. it is a good strategy he is banging out. >> makes his life more difficult when you look at the tangible things he needs to be doing. he is talking about the border wall and what's going on at the border. the government needs to be funded or we have a partial shutdown in a few days. one of the big questions is funding over the border wall. he is getting both sides entrenched in their own sides.

it makes life difficult. >> i disagree with that. i think what he is doing is he created a crisis at the border to give himself political force to try to get his wall. i think what you're seeing with the images down in tijuana with some storming over, trying to climb the wall, the tear gas, looks chaotic, like a war zone, those are images the campaign wanted in 2016 but didn't have. they had to go overseas, find migrants over border walls there, in order to hammer home the message they wanted to send out here. what they have now is they have those images in their back pocket for a 2020 campaign, or to try to push republicans forward for the border wall. >> i have to disagree about this. i don't think that what happened there was the creation of trump. the caravan came to tijuana, something happened where somebody made decisions to climb

the fence, create the photographs that are supposed to be photographs comparable to photographers of syrian boat people in 2015, to create. it was on front page of "the washington post" says babies in diapers getting tear gas. that's effective for people supporting the cause of the car vanners and it helps trump. the mistake the caravanners are making is they're helping trump make the case to ordinary americans, it is true, you're not supposed to run across the border or climb a wall to get into the country. there's a process. >> the process, but they have been there ten days, the asylum process deliberately delayed. >> so what. there's still a process. it is our process. they don't get to determine how quickly they're processed. >> i am not saying climb a wall, but it is taking longer. >> too bad.

there are rules. >> you know, the thing that i don't want us to lose sight of is that we are talking about people, not folks that sat in guatemala and had a strategy to come to the border and have shots taken. these are women. i pray to god i never have to know the kind of violence, despair, poverty where i would walk, march a thousand miles with a child on my back to try to get to a better country. >> you don't do that because things are good. >> turning this into political posturing is the problem. we are the greatest country in the world, largely because of humanitarian stance. we used to be a nation that said oh my god, something is going on there, we're going to help, what can we do. now we gas people at the border? i think everything that's happening is very much trump, trying to turn us into something we're not. as long as people continue to justify that -- >> treating this as an invading army, using that language,

inciting anger toward it for months and months during the lead up, that was creating this political situation. these people were marching towards our border, they do this every year. >> the obama administration's border patrol gassed the same caravan in 2013. had to use tear gas on people throwing rocks at border patrol in 2013. there's a process. you're not allowed to come to the border and cross it illegally. another not allowed to throw rocks at border control. >> threatening to permanently close the border. >> that's awful. >> threat to use lethal force against people throwing rocks. >> you're allowed to seek asylum in the united states. you're legally allowed to. >> he is threatening to close the border and threatening lethal force. >> that's ridiculous. but you have to be able to separate out that there are two actors on either side.

trump is making political of the caravan, and then there's the caravan. you think it is just desperate people seeking asylum. asylum requires people to have well founded fear of persecution in home countries. that's asylum. there was a demonstration of them saying we want work, i think that's noble, i don't object to them wanting work, that is not asylum. we don't grant asylum because they want to come for a better life and more work opportunities. we grant it because lives are in danger. >> i agree. but they should be allowed to go and make their case, and this president has made it very difficult for them to do so, and has declared they shouldn't even be able to do so. he had to be told by the federal courts in this country that that's not the way it works, you can't just revoke asylum laws. >> i am not defending him. >> you can't say i want work and

that's why i am coming, you have tof a valid claim of asylum. you can compare tactics with president obama and past presidents, but you can't compare pat presidents to donald trump because he is doing something different. he is talking about it in a completely different way, and making threats that no one dared make before this. >> again, we keep going back to what we were talking about before. this is a question of the greatest hits, even if we accept the premise this is what happens every year, we're treating it differently because of who the president is, is ginning up the base. how many times have we sat here talking about it. this is his one play and not just a political play, his only play. >> the question is how do you cover it. it is a news story and something that politically donald trump wants. he wants these images and this argument. how do you not get baited into

this while covering the news. i think that's a way, that's something we haven't quite figured out, and it is something that i guess it is working in the president's favor. guys, let's continue to talk about this. we'll come up with a solution at some point. stick around. we talk to one of the hopefuls in one of the most contested democratic leadership race. and the final election. could they pull off an upset in mississippi? president trump is having a rally there in a few minutes. today, 97% of employers agree

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leadership elections in two days. after all the calls for change, looks like things will stay the same. anti-employe anti-pelosi democrats don't have anyone to step up. the number of democrats fl threatening to oppose her aren't. you will not find a competitive democratic leadership race until the fourth ranking slot. the caucus chair, two members of the congressional black caucus against each other. barbara lee versus young rising star new york congressman hakeem jeffries. thank you for being here. how do you feel about leadership staying the same in the top three positions? >> they've done a phenomenal job and they're the right group to lead us into the next two years

and battles we're going to face with the trump administration on behalf of the american people, but there will be opportunities for the next generation of democrats to rise up into leadership ranks in a blended capacity. i think that's what many of us are hoping to see. >> what do you mean by that, and does that mean you think you should be the caucus chair? >> i have nothing but respect for barbara lee. this is a friendly contest of ideas. i do think at this moment of time, i'm in position to help the caucus maintain its message, discipline, operational unity, get things done on behalf of the american people. i was pleased to be involved in crafting the closing argument to the american people where we indicated we're going to fight to lower health care costs, fight to increase pay, fight to clean up corruption in washington, d.c. we made those promises, now we have to deliver on behalf of the american people. i hope to participate in that regard. >> clyburn, pelosi and hoyer are in their 70s, barbara lee is

older as well. do you feel in some leadership position, fourth position, there needs to be somebody younger? the democratic party had a fight about that for the past year and a half or so as we have been talking about midterms. >> i made clear i'm not running against anyone, i am running for the house leadership position. >> diplomatic way of putting it, but you run against somebody. >> well, that is correct. i'm going to articulate in a positive, forward looking vision. >> do you think you need a younger perspective in leadership? >> i think in terms of what overall leadership should look like, we need a blended mix of experience. you have pelosi at the top and clyburn. next generation of democrats who are on the battlefield, helping the team be successful, but given additional opportunities to help lead the caucus moving forward.

>> what is the next generation going to bring that the older generation doesn't have? >> i think it is a combination of perspective, diverse views and ideas. i represent a diverse district myself, and understand the importance of trying to bring the american people together. but also standing for things that we care about as democrats and fighting the administration when necessary. >> give me examples. >> one, we resisted the effort to oppose the affordable care act, and i was heavily involved in that effort, resisted the republican tax scam. they were successful legislatively, but we were able to brand it appropriately as a bill that didn't serve working class americans. it is the most unpopular tax cut in american history, while at the same time i worked with the administration and republicans in the hougs and senate helping to push forward meaningful criminal justice reform bill that will help end the era of

mass incarceration in the united states of america. >> would you be pushing for things like single payer, more progressive agenda? >> i am a pragmatic progressive. we want to move toward universality, but we have to strengthen the affordable care act by lowering the cost of prescription drugs and protect people with pre-existing conditions. those were our promises to the electorate. that's what helped us win the majority. we have to fight for the people, specifically on the issues that we have discussed with the american people as part of our closing argument. >> donald trump wants to fund his border wall. i would make the argument of the images down there in tijuana are images he would want to see to back him up in the fight for the border wall. is there any deal you can make with him for that, a deal for daca, anything you can do that would give him funding for the wall? >> i think that's a discussion for all of us as a caucus to

have as relates -- >> you're running for a leadership position. don't we deserve your opinion? >> certainly. i think listen, there are serious decisions that are going to have to be made with respect to shuissues that involve government shutdown. we have to have consensus position if we push back. my personal view with respect to the wall is that donald trump promised the american people that mexico would pay for it, so either go talk to mexico or go take a hike as relates to billions of dollars being spent from the american taxpayer as relates to a wall. however, i know some of my colleagues, even in the caucus have raised the issue of some possible exchange of border security which could involve some modest funding for a wall type structure if there's comprehensive immigration reform that relates to making sure we provide a real pathway to citizenship. >> is that something you could

get behind? >> i'm not prepared to say one way or the other. i don't want to negotiate in public and i want to understand where the entirety of the caucus is at this moment. >> will there be a government shutdown? >> i don't think there will be. if it does, it falls on the republicans, they control the house, senate, presidency, guys, get your act together. >> how long should nancy pelosi stay as speaker, if she gets speaker. >> i anticipate she will be the next speaker, i don't think that's for any of us to say. she's correct when she says she looks forward to being a bridge to the next generation, but she is not going to lame duck herself and hurt her ability to negotiate while she has the gavel. >> when she says she's the bridge, do you hope you're the person on the other side? >> i am in a tough fight as relates to house chair of the democratic caucus. i am not looking beyond this position. hopefully i will earn confidence of my colleagues. >> it is a stepping stone to the

speaker position? >> it is a meaningful role in and of itself. whatever happens down the road happens down the road. there's a generation of new members. >> do you want that? >> it is premature. i want to be chair of the house democratic caucus. i am fighting for that. hopefully i will have the opportunity to be successful in that regard and be part of the leadership team that delivers for the american people. >> what about people that say there's infighting in the congressional black caucus, you're running against somebody who has been doing it a long time, somebody with leadership chops of her own. >> i have nothing but respect for barbara lee. she will have significant support within the congressional black caucus, i will have significant support. it is a family discussion. some members will be on one side, some will be on the other. we will come together when it is said and done. >> congressman, thank you so much for joining us. happy belated thanksgiving.

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welcome back. president trump is on his last campaign swing of the 2018 midterms. he is on the trail ahead of tomorrow's mississippi senate runoff. the final senate contest of the 2018 midterms. this is donald trump in tupelo, mississippi, holding the first of two rallies for in couple bent republican cindy hyde-smith, he is trying to embrace her and she's trying to embrace him and his popularity in the campaign's final hours. hyde-smith is the favorite in deep red mississippi, but her

campaign has had negative stories on race, including a 2014 facebook post, praising the confederate past, and a comment made about attending a, quote, public hanging. the controversy has given mike espy a narrow chance to pull off a win tomorrow. joining me, nbc news vaughn hilliard who is on the ground in jackson, mississippi, and the panel is back. what are you hearing down there? i know you were trying to get answers out of cindy hyde-smith over the weekend, she was not willing to give you some. do voters want more out of her? >> reporter: when you go around the state over the course of the last week, voters wanted more than the apology she offered up in the debate, katie, because in the last couple of days trying to get answers from cindy hyde-smith about what she was apologizing for, she failed to articulate or clarify what her

apology was for, which of the comments it was for. i guess now is crunch hour. you have donald trump in town. up in tupelo, northern part of the state, they take air force one then to the southern part of the state. this is tupelo college, historically black college here in which the naacp just had a get out the vote effort. there's another get out the vote rally on campus later this evening. ultimately it comes down to, we say it all the time, but it is turnout here. on campus talking to students, i was talking to one that was 19 years old, newly here from chicago, she said she just registered to vote here in mississippi because she understands the importance of this race after moving here in a short time period in which she has been here, said she wants to be part of it. the question is, is that enough to overcome a huge republican advantage in the state. >> you look at the numbers and break them out, the majority of white voters in mississippi are

republicans, the majority of black voters are democrats. there are a lot more by a wide margin white voters than black voters. when you talk about turnout, who is mike espy targeting, hoping will come out and vote for him? >> number one, here's a reality check. november 6th, another republican in the race, chris mcdaniel received 140,000 votes. knock out those votes, cindy hyde-smith still had an 8,000 vote edge over mike espy. he needs higher democratic turnout but also needs republicans, more republicans than november 6th to come over, cross-over, vote for him, as well as some chris mcdaniel voters to not show up. when you look at the numbers, over in jones county where chris mcdaniel is from, own november 6th, each of the candidates got

a third of the vote. if you look at that tomorrow night, the question is are those chris mcdaniel voters, that third, are they going to cindy hyde-smith, does she win the county 2-1, or does espy have a shot at higher black democratic turnout and comes neck in neck in that county. it is one of the counties we're going to be looking at tomorrow night. >> democrats hope this will be alabama. they hope cindy hyde-smith will be roy moore. roy moore had serious allegations. >> look, this is what i'll say about my beloved party. if they hoped this was going to be alabama, they should have invested in it as it were from the jump. that's what concerns me. i think mike espy is running as great a campaign as he can. i wonder if infrastructure is there and if the investment is there. >> at the end of the day, they aren't spending like a year ago. when you look at the overall landscape, you see republicans are nervous, they need to

protect this last seat. don't see it as a huge opportunity. even though it is one here. at the end of the day, mississippi was ten points closer in the 2016 election than alabama. it has a statewide democrat in the attorney general for a long time. there's some history in voting for democrats, just not in high profile races. espy is trying to do something that hasn't been done, be a black democratic senator from mississippi in a long time. >> put on the screen, maybe we don't have it full screen, some issues that hyde-smith had, not only i would love to go to a public hanging which she said was a joke, she wore a confederate hat, stood in jefferson davis' home and called it the best of mississippi history, something like that, this is mississippi history at its best. she joked about voter suppression. went to segregation academy. >> sent her daughter to one.

>> and listen, she wanted to rename the highway jefferson davis memorial highway in 2001. that's just not listen, we have a controversial history but i'm proud of us, that's i embrace o the confederacy. >> don't know if that's a liability or help. she's an appointed senator, running against chris mcdaniel who was to her right, not her left. chris mcdaniel was an extremist that ran against the sitting senator who had to resign because of health reasons and almost knocked him off in 2014. her embrace of the confederacy in some places would be a dog whistle. here i am not sure. it could be a standard issue -- >> does it work?

>> comparing this to alabama, let's remember if you want to remember 12 months ago, president trump didn't go to alabama because it was too controversial to support roy moore, he is going in twice today. >> steve king won in iowa despite everything he said. is it so toxic now for the republican party to dog whistle, to embrace. >> to be fair, the history of the democratic party in mississippi, older history, is not exactly sterling. >> you don't have democrats saying i love the confederacy. >> the republican strategy goes through the road of white supremacy. mississippi is bearing this out. georgia and florida, too. the real question is for 2020, is this still a national winning strategy for them in terms of the conversation because clips that are coming out of this, despite what happens tomorrow on election day, i think if the democrats are savvy, they can

use clips that come out of this for 2020. >> let's be clear about something. the fact that we are talking about a senate race in minneapolis is a big deal. we should keep in mind it is not as if this is a winning sterling strategy. >> same thing about arizona. >> we need to see the results. this whole thing may be a fantasy. she may win by 20 points. we have one poll. >> i think he has a point, even having the conversation i think is a positive for the democrats because they feel like maybe they have a chance in places they wouldn't have gone. one last question to vaughn hilliard. you have been there awhile. what are you doing between now and the polls opening? what's your last question to try to get answered? >> reporter: well, the last questions we try to get answered, my guess, joining him next hour at a faith event at a church with a couple of gospel

singers and essentially targeting, where hillary clinton won, where he spent the last few days, he needs to juice up ultimately that outcome. that's where we're hanging out. >> have you had enough barbeque yet, vaughn? >> reporter: we can also get a second serving around 9:00 after that. how about that. >> thank you very much. and panel. you can't go anywhere. vaughn can. we're going to talk climate change and the report the white house didn't want you to see. that's next. ♪ let's do the thing that you do. let's clear a path. let's put down roots. let's build something. let's do the thing that you do. let's do the thing that changes the shape of everything... that pushes us forward and keeps us going.

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oh, and happy birthday... or retirement... in advance. i have seen it, read some of it, it is fine. >> they say the impact will be devastating. >> i don't believe it.

>> the panel is back. okay, climate change. the administration tried to bury this report by releasing it black friday. that's what you do when you don't want a report out there, don't want attention paid to it. the climate report was so devastating it was on the front page of newspapers across the country, local papers, national papers alike, talking impacts that will be felt in local areas and nationally. this is getting a lot of attention, despite what the administration wants, and flies in the face of donald trump's deregulation policies. >> that's right. it is incredibly newsworthy, probably the most newsworthy thing we could be talking about. it involves all of our children, grandchildren, and the economy now and in the future. we shouldn't even have to be talking about this, it is so obvious, but you're right. the administration tried to bury it by putting it out friday. it had the opposite effect though, nothing else was

happening, it was amplified and leading national news sites for the weekend when people were trying to watch the news instead of talk to families. >> when you go locally to maybea newspaper up north in california, you'll talk about the wildfires, and right next to it you'll say hey, listen, the wildfires are worse, and there are now, i don't know what the number is, a record number of deaths and a record number of acres burned and people displaced because these fires are burning hotter because of longer drought seasons, no controlled burns, which is what you do generally in forests. and the problem of urban sprawl. it's hotter, drier, there are more people, >> and there's lots of flooding, too. the carolinas are seeing unprecedented flooding. everybody is feeling the effects of climate change right now. and have been in terms of crops and what we're producing. and so here's the thing i want everybody to be reminded of. this guy is like a "c" student

who barely made it out of college. why you care about his opinion instead of the science and the evidence is what you need to be questioning. >> i want to pull back. i think there's a focus on trump and he's not doing enough. but i do think we should keep it out of the personal insult realm, just because when you talk about something like this, it is better to get everybody on the same page, because everyone is generally on the same page when it comes to science. >> the federal government is on the same page out of his administration. >> and it hoshould be a real conversation and effort by everybody to make changes. we're the only country not in the climate paris accords. >> one of hillary clinton's worst mistakes in 2016 was this leaked spiel where she said we're going to shut down the coal industry to save the climate.

trump goes into that, leans into the coal industry as a signal to the white working class that he's going to defend their interests against these eastern snobs who want to -- >> that is pure politics. that is pure politics. but it is very serious, but it's pure politics. if you wanted to create jobs that would be long lasting, jobs that would take people from this general ration into the next generation, and secure jobs and the economies in local areas, you move past coal and you move to cleaner energy. and sustainable energy. >> which is actually what secretary clinton was talking about. >> it wasn't, i want to shut it down -- >> it was a huge political mistake. >> which she admitted. >> there are two things that president trump said. he said, doesn't matter what we do, because china and india, the two fastest growing economies in the world, the ones that are industrializing r not going to

abide by the paris accords and will produce energy however they need to in whatever way, and the answer is for republicans, conservatives, to embrace the notion that the salvation of this problem has to come through technological advancements. this is where you could have a bridge between the right and the left. a marshall plan for the environment that would take large-scale government spending -- >> this is what drives folks crazy. china is in the paris climate accords -- >> china doesn't adhere to international agreements. >> maybe they do, maybe they don't. but they could take a step to be leaders in clean energy, and to create that technology. we are not taking that step here in this country. there's not the incentive or the initiative here in this country. and the president could be a real leader on that. what is most infuriating is that this was not an argument, as late as the '80s.

this was not an argument between democrats or republicans. george h.w. bush stood on stage at i believe a campaign rally in 1989, or '88, the greenhouse effect is going to meet the white house effect. this was not a political issue until it was made a political issue by exxon, because exxon wanted to keep drilling and they wanted to keep sending out -- using fossil fuels. >> to your point about what can we do? because this is so highly politicized, people don't have the political will to make the right decisions. so the question becomes, look t other big states, what can they do to bridge the gap? what can corporations do in terms of plowing ahead towards the same metrics to bridge the gap? that's a conversation we should be having. but we talk about this in a political context and policy context, it's all going to come back to president trump's unwillingness to follow what he's receiving in his briefings

that are landing on his desk. >> i'm sorry i talked throughout the whole panel, i just hogged it. i'm sorry. my fault. my apologies. >> it's worthy topic. >> john, do you forgive me? >> i will forgive you. i have many things to say. >> we're going to talk about this again. thank you very much. ahead, your post holiday workout routine just got fuzzier. i just got my ancestrydna results: 74% italian. and i found out that i'm from the big toe of that sexy italian boot!

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in case you missed it, it is monday, the monday after thanksgiving. our bellies are full of turkey. our fridges are full of leftovers. and our belts are just a wee bit tighter. you know what that means. it's workout time. now, you could hit the gym or download a fitness app. but why on earth would you do that when you could do this? ♪ he's back by popular demand. gritty, the professional ice hockey mascot. oh, wow, look at that. this time he's donning his headband and channeling his inner jane fonda to burn those calories. you may wonder how he has time for this. we told you how he became a write-in congress for congress. several school boards and sheriff in camden county, new

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