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tomorrow. alex witt is coming up. >> well done. >> he's a man that deserves our recollection and remembrance of the life he lived. it's an honor to be doing that for both of us today. it is high tonight in the east, account a.m. out west. >> a new breeze is blowing, a nation refreshed by freedom, stands ready to push on. there's new ground to be broken and new action to be taken. >> coming up, his defining moments in the oval office, chaperoning the fall of the berlin wall and solve yet union. swift victory in the gulf war, and one big promise he could not keep. to his post-presidency, a further life of public service through his foundation.
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>> this is america, a brilliant diversity, spread like stars, like 1,000 points of light in a broad and peaceful sky. public servant, statesman, family man. today a nation remembers president george h.w. bush. ♪ new this hour, the flag in kennebunkport, maine, flies at half-staff, a place where he spent many splrts with his family. the without, where the president resided for four years. our any developments, president trump saying out of the respect for the bush family, he has postponed a press
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conference. we are also learning that president trump and first lady melania are expected to attend the funeral at the warble national cathedral. next wednesday, december 5th, will be declared as a gnash day of mourning. attribution are pouring in. andrea mitchell remembers. >> the compassion, the humility, and also his determination to do the right thing, he took very tough decisions. when i was covering congress, i also had so many enter views and so many memories along the way, seeing him in iowa, new hampshire, and also some personal moments, just showing the grace and gentility of this man.
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garrett, what can you tell us about the memorial plans for the president? >> reporter: the dates and times are still being locked in right now, alex. we know it will be a state funeral. it will be in three parts. you heard about the washington portion of this, the former president laying in state in the rotunda. there will be a funeral in washington, d.c. at the national cathedral. that likely will be on wednesday. of course president trump, melania trump will be there, and then the texas portions of this, portionses 2 and 3, if you will. separate funeral service here in houston, texas, st. martin's church, the bush family's home church for many years, the same church where barbara bush was honored after she passed away. the former president will be laid to rest in college station, texas, where his presidential library lives. very fitting for the last name
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that has become synonymous with republican politics here in texas. and of course, josh bush, when he won his house seat here in houston, that was still a pretty big achievement for a republican in a state that was not anything close to the locked down red state it has become over the last few decades in american politics. so the return to texas will be an opportunity for texans to pay tribute to a man they have come to know very well. >> i know, garrett, his presence out and about was sorely missed as of late because of his poor health. you had described him earlier to me, he was well known to be a houston astros fan, right? but even more poignantly,
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garrett, talk about the last time he was actually seen out in public when he was actually just doing something that every citizen in the united states is able to do earlier this month. >> reporter: yeah, alex, on the baseball front, this is a president who was a college baseball player and a very good one. his family is also connected with the sports, was george w. bush was a owner of the rangers. it was in fact doing public service, in a sense, was the last time we saw this president bush out in push. he voted early. he voted in person on november 1st in these midterm elections. you see him in the photo with james baker, his longtime friend and his service dog sully, casting his ballot, one last act for a president who made public
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service his hallmark throughout his life. garrett haake, hang you so much. jeff, with a welcome to you, the president just moments ago paying tribute to bush 41. tell us what he said. >> good to be with you, alex. in just the last half hour or so, we saw president trump on camera addressing his reaction to the death of former president george h.w. bush. he called him a fine man, a wonderful man, a man who loved his family. high praise best expressed in the statement that the white house put out overnight. here's more of what he had to sigh. >> we extend our best wishes. he's a very fine man. he was just a high quality man, who truly loved his family he
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lived a very full life, a very exemplary life. >> reporter: despite those words of praise, it's no secret the two had a very public contentious relationships giving the republican primary where donald trump belittled jeb bush. that ended with george h.w. bush declining to support president trump. we understand from sarah sanders that the president and first lady will attend the services in washington for the former president, and so that bit of sound we just saw, alex, is our second to the last opportunity to hear from the president. he has a meeting tonight that
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will focus more on trade. we understand he's also called off the press conference he put out this tweet -- however, out of respect for the bush family, we will wait until after the funeral to have a press conference. so there certainly was a concern to have that press conference may appear tone-deaf if not downright disrespectful. to have that happen while the world is mourning the loss of the former president. >> thank you so much, geoff bennett. joining mess sam donaldson, a former chief correspondent for abc news. i welcome you to this discussion. i know you've had a number of different presidents you've had
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covered. i'm curious of your perception of how he changed the white house. >> it was kinder and gentler then, alex, as you know. one of his problems is he couldn't connect like a bill clinton with a press the flesh idea, but he liked people, and people liked him. i think he was very accomplished, and above the line of u.s. presidents from the standpoint of what he did in his four years. >> in fact, sam, "new york times" writes that he was often referred to as the most successful one-term president, to echo your sentiments there. is that an apt assessment, or is it being a bit generous? >> i think it was a very good assessment. i think jimmy carter was underrated by the voters and also accomplished things in one term. but he had to clean up the
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savings and loan mess, the crooks without major regulation went wild, so it cost the taxpayers, but he did it. then he had to retract the "read my lips, no new taxes" promise. he made a deal with the democrats, some new taxes he agreed to, and what that did was help us get back to strmt. by the end of the clinton administration we had four year of surplus. not all george bush's fault, i know, but i guess his greatest achievement was to organize the operation of military event that expelled saddam hussein from kuwait.
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>> is that, sam, what you think undercut the goodwill of victory in the wake of the first persian gulf war? it really evaporated by the time he was in his reelection year, both his inable to be the common man, perhaps, and also how he had to retract his very campaign promise, read my lives, no new taxes? >> i think you're on to something. i believe we had a small recession -- small compared to what we had gone through. if he had had bill clinton's ability to press the flesh, and go out there and not just buy sox, but other -- but he had another thing going against him. he made a deal with the democrats in 1970, with
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rostenkowski, to raise new revenue. clearly we were adding to the national dead hand over fist, and who is going to pay for it? so many conservatives who have the mantra of let's cut taxes to zero, never forgave them. they didn't really back him in the fierce way that he could have used to overcome what was just a slight defeat. >> sam, before i let you go, is there a salient memory or snapshot that you would like to share? >> well, two quick things. you know about all the jobs he held. his wife barbara, after he left the presidency, would introduce him in advance and say i love this man tremendously, but i know one bad thing about him. he can't hold a job. and then it was disclosed he loved e-mail, and he said well, one of the reasons is i can share monica lewinsky jokes with people that i'm close to. so i asked him, tell me, and he
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said i can't do that. i have a vulgar side, i admit, but i try to keep it concealed. that was a time when presidents might have done that, but times change, don't they? >> they do indeed. i'm very glad for your recollections. legendary journalist, sam donaldson, thank for you joining me. >> thank you, alex. president trump today praised bush 41's points of lights organization, and here's how the former president outlined that vision at his inauguration. >> i have spoken of 1,000 points of lights. of all the community organizations that are spread like stars throughout the nation doing good. i will go to the people and programs that are the brighter points of light and ask every member of my government to become involved. the old ideas are new again because they are not old.
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they are timeless -- duty, sacrifice, commitment, and a patriotism that finds its expression in taking part and pitching in. joining mess now is the daughter of sam nunn, and u.s. ambassador to the human rights commission. very glad to have you both here. michelle, i'll go to you first. the points of light project was a very near and dear entity to the president's heart. as you reflect on your work with him and the message that he wanted to convey, what are you feeling? >> i'm feeling a real sense of celebration of an extraordinary public servant. i had the opportunity to be the ceo of points of lining, as a democrat working with president
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george h.w. bush across party lines, but on a transcendent idea, that the definition of a successful life must including service to others. he spoke of a constellation to people who serve and make a difference in this world. i think it was really at the core of who he was, both in terms of his make roe -- macro-professional cele, and how he spent his life. i'm grateful for that life today. >> it is said to one who is given much -- i understand he even started it as a student at yale. >> it was a part of his dna, part of his heritage. he spoke often of his mother and
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father's example. he impressed upon everyone the virtue of humility. i think that went along with the spirit of service. it was truly a part of who he was. you can see it how he passed it on to his children and his grandchildren now. it is a part of the bush family. and it was part of his personal interaction with people as well. ken, i know you were undersenior in bush 41's cabinet. we have some pictures of the two of you together we're going to put up right there. what are you thinking about today? >> he lived his life in what the
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jesuits call a life in the service of others. he had a quiet and deep faith, and i think it gets notunder scored enough, he was a man of great courage. he was not afraid to take risks, not afraid to take the risks of reaching across the political lines in order to get something done. i think he in fact -- he punched holes in the darkness of our times he has left us with not only a legacy, but an example of how to get through these contentious times. we have challenges in this country that we must reach across the lines to get things done from infrastructure, to criminal justice, to beating back the scourge of opioids. >> working with him on housing, what do you think was the
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biggest accomplishment at hud? >> he had jack kemp as his undersecretary, so jack would take us into areas that historically republicans didn't venture. he had the full support of president bush. if you take a look at what happened during his term, housing ownership among those who had historically been left out actually was on the increase, and so he always was one who supported those efforts to make american culture more inclusive and he was really an advocate, a cheerleader for civic engagement and participation by all americans. >> so to both of you, his legacy, as you see it, how he will be remembered through the ages? michelle, to you first. >> there's so many dimensions
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from foreign policy to the disabilities act, but i think ultimately his life itself was an embodiment of his legacy. that was a life that truly did embody service, of recognizing our life's journey is not about power or wealth or even glory, which he had plenty of, but really about what we do for others. i think that's at the heart of his legacy, and that it fueled his accomplishments and his achievements. it's a great example of what we need today. >> ken, to you? >> look, he was a man of quiet dignity. he was tough-minded, but he was tender-hearted. he again was a man who loved his family, but lived his life in
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the service of others beyond his family. his example of being a person who rapidly day in and day out closed the gap between what he professed to believe and how he behaved. he closed that gap. he lived his values, and as a consequence not only was his family stronger, but america was stronger and more in keeping with the american ideal. >> we very much miss him already in these troubling times some days. michelle nunn, and ken blackwell, thank you for joining me. the lessons that can be learned from the way the former president handled russia. ♪ applebee's bigger, bolder grill combos are back. now that's eatin good in the neighborhood.
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♪ of course a place that anybody who has followed the bush family knows very well, that is kennebunkport maine, a place where he spent many a summer day. he entertained there, dignitaries would make their way there, but most importantly he was surrounded by the family he adored. joining me now, michael mcfaul, i want to get to what
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the nator secretary-general said, as being one of the architects of the post war era. i'm curious about your perception of how he navigated the collapse of the soviet union. >> with great skill and great care at a delicate moment. usually when empires collapse like the soviet empire, there's a lot of war, a lot of complicate, yet he helped artfully engaging in the transition. sometimes, you know, people criticized him for being too pro-gorbachev, too pro-soviet unity, but i think over time we look back and say that was exactly the right approach for how to deal with a very precarious moment in history.
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lessons y >> lessons you think could be applied today? >> two that i think about. remember, a lot of the drama at the end of the cold war happened inside the soviet union, where people, including gorbachev, yeltsin and hundreds of other russians who wanted democracy, wanted to be part of the west, and we were reacting to that. sometimes i think we think we're running the world. no, they were doing that. and today you have a different leader in moscow. vladimir putin does not want to be part of the west. he does not want a democratic russia, so you're limited in what you can do there. the second thing that i think is important for leaders today is that president bush always knew he was the leader of the free world. he always thought of himself in terms of being one of many of
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the liberal world, you know, the coalition of democratic states. that was with respect to the solve yes union. i wish our president would think more about that, the importance of democratic ally when is you're trying to do things in the world. >> to your point, though, our current president while traveling to argentina canceled, he says, his meet with vladimir putin because of the military standoff between russia and ukraine. do you buy that explanation? >> no, of course not. i mean, russia had attacked ukraine, the president equivocated on that, by the way. he never once criticized vladimir putin directly, and as he got onto the plane, he said he was still going to meet with him. the news of mr. cohen came out and the revelations there, that's why he decide to do cancel the meeting. >> there's somewhat telling
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video, and this is from the g-20 summit, in which the saudi crown prince and vladimir putin are sharing a rather emphatic handshake. i'm curious what that signals to you? handshake, or is there something more to it. kind of a high-five together, very, very jovial. >> yeah, i mean, i find it disgusting given what both of those leaders have done recently, but i think to me, it reminded me of what the world might be like when you united states is not the leader of the free world, not the leader of the g-20 and actors like that get together to form their own rules of the game. >> abby huntsman, this week she defended the policies of the administration. lieutenant let's listen to what she had to say. >> if you look at the substance
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of the policy under the trump administration when you're dealing with putin and russia, you can argue they've been tougher than any administration since the cold war. no one ever talks about the actual issues and what is being done to combat russia. no one gives the president credit for anything that he does right. trump has tougher on ukraine than president obama was. the first thing he did with russia was arm the ukrainance and put sanctions on russia. >> do you think she has a valid argument, michael? are we not giving enough credit to trump for his actions, or do you hear more the daughter speaking of her daughter, again the current ambassador to russia? >> it depends on who the "we" is in this conversation. i personally have given the trump administration a lot of credit for their policy on russia. i agree with the comments and notion that they have been on
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balance tough on russia. i think there's been a lot of continuity. with respect to sanctioning, with respect to strengthening nato, those are good things. on the issues of arms to ukraine, i give the trump administration credit for doing that. that's something the obama administration didn't do. i think that was a mistake in the obama administration. having said all that, i think there's one big important caveat, that's the trump administration. there's one person in the trump administration that doesn't seem to agree with the policy. he happens to be the president of the united states. he does not sign up for the increased sanctions. he lamented that. he criticizes nato. his administration doesn't, he criticizes nato. remember, during the 2016 republican convention, it was trump and his associates that tried to take out of the
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republican platform the idea to provide lethal assistance to ukraine. when it comes to criticizing putin, yes, ambassador haley does, and other people in the administration, but the president does not. >> thank you, michael mcfaul. has the president been able to keep robert mueller offer his mind in argentina? plus whether floating a $50 million penthouse for vladimir putin is illegal. the the author of a column is joining me on that. ♪ ♪ the greatest wish of all... is one that brings us together.
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aaron, assess how much the transcript to argentina is being at least somewhat affected by this news in d.c. i also keep bringing this back to the nato summit a few months ago where the president was kind of a bull in a china shop, constantly making news, really being the center of attention. that's not been the case in this summit. he has been a bit player. that had change today. he haus a high-profile meeting with president xi, but for a guy who likes to be the center of attention, like to make a ruckus on the world stage, he's been pretty quiet today. >> he declared, though, the reason for cancels the meeting with vladimir putin was the
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ukraine situation, not the comen plea deal. is that clear that was the case? >> i don't think the two are mutually exclusive. i think it's possible they're both playing a role here. certainly when it comes to the relationship with russia, there have been times regularly where the administration has brought him into check and prevailed upon him to take certain actions. also with the cohen news, we have a sit waiting according to documents that were filed late last night. there is now a direct line drawn between the president's dealings and the russian government. against that backdrop, i think meeting with putin would be more problematic than the helsinki meeting with us, and perhaps that played a role here. "new york times" is
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reporting that cohen's lawyers are asking to avoid prison time. there's a memorandum out there sea michael has voluntary ily chosen to cooperate. what are the chances he spends time behind bars. >> i think it's very low. what is normal with white-collar, very complex investigations, there's a personal argument, and then the legal argument. they're taking the personal argument with the testimonies of the people he knows and saying that hi person and professional life have been under a spotlight that this prosecution has ruined his life and he's already paid a price. the hard thing for this, particularly those of us who want to hold rich, powerful largely white defendants with these crimes, this type of argument sometimes gets traction with the judges, because the
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judges recognize in the defendants their own lives. there's the whole legal argument that saying he is cooperating, he is going out there and working with the prosecutors, given them information that's useful. when he pled guilty, he did not have a cooperation agreement, so i thought it was telling he was not on good terms with the government. now as we've seen this week with a new plea agreement, and they said in their filing last night they expect mueller's team to weigh in on this. that's very interesting, in that they expect the southern district prosecutors to also acknowledge his cooperation agreement with the russian investigation. so i think that weighs in his favor. >> december 12th, he's got to get anything he's going to get out there, that's done, that is the final day, because after he would be sentenced, what is the incentive, right? >> well, he still has the other
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sentencing for the new plea. this sentencing on december 12th is just on the campaign violations, but i think these so high-profile, that it would be the hard message for him to get no jail time. >> aaron, you write about one of the nuggets about the cohen business. that there was a plot to give vladimir putin a $15 million penthouse in moscow were that to have been built, which it has not been. how might that be a problem? i do want to make a disclaimer here, felix sader is the man who made this claim to nbc news, following a buzzfeed report where he made this claim. he added it was his idea and it went nowhere. aaron? >> the fact that it went
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nowhere, if that's in fact true, is significant here. the laud at issue is called the foreign corruptions act, and it basically prevents basically anybody working with an american company from offering bribes to foreign officials. why is that significant? well, it's significant because other countries are still allowed to bribe foreign countries. there is an argument this puts americans at a political disadvantage, an argument that the president has made here. i talked to some experts on the foreign corrupt he actions plan, and they think this does not satisfy that. one, the apparent bribe was not formally offered. it was discussed with an assistant to the kremlin's press secretary. it was also a situation in which, you know, it was not actually coming to fruition here. in order for this to be a
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violation up the foreign corrupt practices act, there may have beenly has to be a quid pro quo in which there's an actual action taken. in this case, teen according to sater's telling, he's talking about how it will lure other oligarchs to invest in the project, to buy up portion of trump tower moscow. so it doesn't seem to fit of elements that are required for a violation, at least to what we know now. >> thank you both so much for weighing in. next, as we remember pressure, why he's being called the last of a republican breed. oh! oh! ♪ ozempic®! ♪ (vo) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. oh! under seven? (vo) and you may lose weight.
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a rare moment of bipartisan leadership today, as people remember president bush. former president carter celebrating the volunteer spirit that inspired millions, and his son george w. bush showing an emotional tribute to the best dad a son or daughter could ask for. joining mess is danielle moody-mills.
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also joe watkins, and republican strategist rick tyler, and msnbc political analyst. given your relationship to bush 41, i want to ask you first about the tributes and all that's pouring in for your former boss. what stands out most to you? >> they're all so devserved, bu the attribution about how he was warm and caring, even cared about the so-called little people. those are all so true. he was not hugely bipartisan. he loved people and wasible to work across the aisle when he needed to. he put country first, even if it meant not winning a second term. he wanted to make sure the country moved forward properly. i loved work fog this man, not only because of the work we were doing, but because of his character.
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clearly he had an exemplary character as many have said. >> yeah. so many referred to him almost with a paternal type of respect, the way he carried himself and the dignity. do you have any memories? things that stand out? >> oh, lots of memories. i remember the first time he asked me to fly with him in air force one. i had gotten a call from one of my bosses saying to take some people and bring them up to the oval office. we got up there, and went into the oval office -- staffers are supposed to be part of the -- they're not supposed to be seen really. the president as he talks to the guests, joe, can you accompany me this evening on air force one? we have to do this event up there and i want you with me as if i was going to say, no, mr. president, i'm busy. >> but he was making you feel important in front of your friends and colleagues. >> yes, he was.
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>> which you were, i'm sure. rick, he was not a favorite of conservatives. how do you think he's viewed now, rick? >> i think on balance, president h.w. bush will be remembered fondly. and the transition of the soviet union and eastern bloc countries, and normally there's a lot of bloodshed that would have happened, but it didn't. we're learning more and more about his role in that. the chancellor merkel spoke about that morning, it seems our current president was unaware of that history. i used to installed carpet when i was young. he and i used to debate. he was a liberal, you know, and year later he called me and said i met the president today, and i said where? >> and he said at walker's point. i said how he said i was
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installing carpet in the family room. i said, you know, you didn't question him on his role in iran-contra? he said, you know, he was so kind and so decent. he pulled down a long gun that was above the mantle, and you can imagine the secret service saying, hey, here's a bush critic now holding a firearm in the same room, you know? but it was his humanity and decency. and he said i don't think i've ever met a person more curious about other people and more conversational and just a kind, decent person. >> i think that certainly emanate fred him throughout his life. >> i'm curious, danielle, you tweeted when i missed the day i could vehemently disagree with a republican president, but still knew they believed in this country and our great democracy. when you think about the passing of bush 41, how does that
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underscore that sentiment? >> i feel in a way it's a passing of decency, bipartisanship. i did disagree vehemently when he was vice president under reagan and the war on drugs which criminalized, you know, poverty in a lot of ways and communities of color, but the reality is he was a patriot. his life was about service. from his time in the armed forces until, you know after, his volunteer efforts through his foundation. the sight of him working alongside, you know, president bill clinton, who was the reason he became a one-term president, and then working arm in arm for many, many year, just shows the kind of person he was. i feel like he was somebody, whether or not i agreed with his policies, that believed in america, believed in decency, believed in the fabric of our democracy and trying in his best ways to make it better. i think right now we are starving for that type of
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leadership. we're starving for that type of patriotism. just the contrast i think, too, of where we are right now under donald trump i think is also going to solidify his legacy in a very different way, right? we'll have very different discussions because we're living under very different political times. >> well, i thank all three of you for sharing your insights. rick, danielle, joe, thank you. president george h.w. bush, a look back at one of the his appearances on "meet the press." talk to your doctor and say yesss! to linzess. yesss! linzess treats adults with ibs with constipation or chronic constipation. linzess can help relieve your belly pain, and lets you have more frequent and complete bowel movements. see if you're eligible to get 90 days for as little as 30 dollars.
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