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president trump's orbit expect to be indicted. quiet during the midterms, thanksgiving break is over for robert mueller. but first, peter baker writes in "the new york times," quote, president bush's longtime friend and former secretary of state james baker arrived at his houston home on friday morning to check on him. mr. bush suddenly alert, his eyes wide open. where we are going? we're going to heaven, mr. baker answered. that's where i want to go, mr. bush said. here's the president, 30 years ago, almost to the week. >> and this is an unbelieving age and few know god's grace. and yet, why do the churches seem so full these days? why does the giving seem so generous? to know these things is to have respect for your age, for this vast, imperfect place and to know that all the dramas aren't written, nor all the parts assigned, and there are battles

to fight. and meek, clad or hungry, we're all soldier in arms walking sideways toward heaven and awkwardly toward grace. >> george herbert walker bush found his grace at the age of 94. his near century of service and his vision for his country span the globe. he was shot down over the pacific in world war ii. he was u.n. ambassador and envoy to china. served in congress and led the republican party amid the heat of watergate. he worked to restore the image of the cia as its director. served as vice president enduring just one term as president helped lower the iron curtain while famously raising taxes. it is an open question in this sharply divided moment in american history. will we see a leader like him again? >> we are the united states of america. the leader of the west that has become the leader of the world. and as long as i am president, i will continue to lead in support of freedom everywhere.

not out of arrogance, not out of altruism, but for the safety and security of our children. this is a fact. strength in the pursuit of peace is no vice. isolationism in the pursuit of security is no virtue. >> with that, i'd like to welcome in my panel. with me, msnbc contributor jon meacham, the author of "destiny and power, the american odyssey of george herbert walker bush." also with me washington bureau chief for the "usa today," susan page. the author of "the matriarch, barbara bush and the making of an american dynasty." and the former senate majority leader during george h.w. bush's presidency, george mitchell. jon meacham, i'd like to start with you since you spent so much time with the former president. what was he like as a person, as a leader, and to that question

that we raised at the end, are we going to see somebody like that again? >> there was an innate grace to george h.w. bush. he was nicknamed papi as a child. he and his father had the same name. more interestingly, he was called half half bush because when he had a candy bar he'd cut it in half and give it to the other kid. >> better than i was. >> better than most of us. he knew that to whom much is given, much is expected. and he came out of that ethos of the roosevelts. he very much believed that he had been given an enormous amount in life and, therefore, owed everything he could to the country. it started when he was 18 years old. on his 18th birthday, he turned 18, graduated from high school and joined the united states navy. on that saturday. >> and he enlisted in the navy instead of going to college right away? >> exactly. and tried to go to canada for a

different reason than later generations. the royal canadian air force would let you sign up if you were 17. he looked into joining the fight against hitler even before he was legally able to do so. >> wow. susan page, what did family mean to george h.w. bush? >> i think family meant everything to george h.w. bush. and that he was -- he was building a career, first, in the oil business and then in politics so he was gone allot but he adored his children and his children adored him. and one reason he was such a good partnership between george and barbara bush is she kept those home fires burning. she raised those kids at a time when he was spending a lot of time with his career but also a family man. he was bitter -- bitter after losing re-election in 1992. and the thing that wiped away any last vestige of bitterness was when his children started to succeed in politics. and especially when george w.

bush was elected to the oval office. >> can i say one thing at the risk of dorking out already. i don't think embittered is the right way. i think he was crushed and disappointed. i don't think he actually ever had a bitter bone in his body. i think that's generational. >> not to take this over, but i -- imbembitter may be the wro word. but he was mad at ross perot and also pretty mad at the press. he thought his press coverage wasn't fair and that that hurt him. >> certainly many politicians do, of course, have that. >> no, really? >> george mitchell, thank you for being here. i want to ask you about some of the major legislative accomplishments that, you know, quite frankly are still defining the world we live in every day. the clean air act. the americans with disabilities act. you and president george h.w. bush worked to pass those two

landmark pieces of legislation, among other things. what was it like to work with him in that capacity, and do you think that our country is still capable of doing big things like those bills? >> i hope so. to the latter question, we had in common a close bond and a love for maine. i was born and raised there. president bush's family had, of course, for many years, still does, a home there. and they're prominent and beloved members of our community in maine in the summer. i'd like if i could to take a moment to talk about the clean air act because that's a major accomplishment of president bush. for ten years, i and a group of bipartisan senators tried to make progress on major clean air legislation to meet the needs of a growing country and increasing quantity and types of pollution. we made no progress. president reagan was adamantly opposed to it as were many major

industries. and then in the election in which he was elected, president bush acted shortly after taking office. made a major speech saying that he favored clean air legislation and instantly and dramatically, the question changed from will there ever be another clean air act or change to what will be in the new bill. and we negotiated two long, very difficult tough years in parallel with negotiating on the budget, also very difficult and complex but in the end we enacted both. a major clean air act that 20 years later the national resources defense council said saved about 2 million american from premature death. >> do you think something like that could happen today? >> well, obviously, the circumstances are much different in many respects. i think it's possible if people take the right approach that is we have a common objective. we disagree on how to get there,

but let's work together to try to do it. and the clean air negotiations were very complex but both sides gave something. both sides gained something. in the end we had a very strong bill that has been a remarkable success in protecting the health of the american people. >> let's talk about the politics here. in 1973 when george bush was the chairman of the rnc, there was another crisis of confidence in the presidency as the watergate investigation expanded. >> i had a discussion with the president about it before i took this job, and i told him i was concerned about watergate and nothing he told me made me feel concerned that he wanted me to go easy on watergate. he feels the same way i do about it. i'm sure of it. his public statements have said so. and i believe it. and i'm going to continue to believe it until somebody gives some evidence. >> what's wrong with watergate, mr. bush? >> i'll tell you what's wrong with it. it's against everything i believe in in our system.

as head of this party, it's we republicans. it's me who got out of private life into public life to serve. and to believe in the system. and i don't like to say it's sullied by people breaking the law. i don't like to see it sullied by dirty tricks. and i hurt the worst about it, and so do the republican leaders across this country, and we want to see it cleaned up. it's bad for our system. >> what's your reaction to that clip? >> he's absolutely honest. law-breaking would be bad. that offended him and his sense of the system. he wrote a tloeletter to his ki late in the drama in which he said this worried him more than anything else that it would erode trust in the government which in tandem with vietnam had a significant impact on trust in our institutions. he was a loyal party guy for about 20 minutes in 1970, '71.

things almost got a lot worse because george h.w. bush was going to work for bob haldman who went to prison before he got the u.n. ambassador job. president bush understood that. he was not perfect. he did at the very end on the 6th of august, 1974, in a cabinet meeting told president nixon he should resign. and that was something henry kissinger was trying to stop him from saying because he was afraid it would drive nixon into a corner. in the context at the time, bush is fine on watergate and i think did everything he could in the fullness of his political career to try to restore trust in the presidency itself. >> there was never an accusation against him of the watergate sort. and under jobs you don't want to have, chairg the rnc during watergate and after the church hearings. those were two jobs no politician who wanted a future would have ever taken. and it's remarkable that he was

able to become president after taking each of them. >> it does speak to his character in that regard. john, or susan as well, did george h.w. bush have any regrets? he faces criticism for not doing enough on the aids crisis, for example. >> i ask him that a lot and what he came back to was, i shouldn't have said read my lips. and he believed that that is what cost him the presidency in 1992. he didn't regret the deal he made with senator mitchell, which was a good deal, and modern american history, when he had an early breakfast with george h.w. bush in the dining room. bob dole walked in and it was so early he said, my dog wasn't up yet. it was about 7:00 in the morning, and bush -- he had been talked into doing -- not even a marginal rate increase. some federal excise taxes to try to get the democrats to go along

with some spending controls and it was after newt gingrich revolted that taxes went up in general. gingrich is also one of the people, like ross perot, like don rums feld who was not particularly enveloped with grace. >> george mitchell, please weigh in. do you think the deal you cut is what led ultimately to him breaking that no-taxes pledge that many credit with him losing the 1992 election? >> well, the statement you made at the republican convention, read my lips, no new taxes, was great politics with bad policy. he later regretted and changed his mind and agreed to a prog m program, reluckantly. but it was a good budget agreement. it went through some changes from the time we began negotiations at that breakfast that john just referred to, but

it's -- it set the country on a path toward a balanced budget that was later realized after adoption of president clinton's economic program. and in these days of trillion-dollar budgets, it's shocking to think that we were really worried because the budget deficit was going to reach $150 billion, and we all resolved -- democrats and republicans -- we can't let that happen. we've got to do something about it. and that led to the budget agreement which was painful for everyone was it included something each party disagreed with. i admire president bush for having changed his position after making the dramatic policy statement at the republican convention about no new taxes. there were taxes. they were not that major. there were some spending cuts. there were some significant ones but they set us on the right path and we ended up with having, a few years later, under

president clinton, several federal balanced budgets. something we're not anywhere near to at this time. >> senator mitchell, i appreciate you being here. we have a lot more to come. we're warning you now. it's probably going to be a crazy week in mueller news. joyce vance joins us. and later my conversation with bernie sanders and mike lee trying to get the united states back on the right side of standing up to saudi arabia. "kasie dc" back after this. brand-new car and totals it.ar and as if that wasn't bad enough, now your insurance won't replace it outright because of depreciation. if your insurance won't replace your car, what good is it? you'd be better off just taking your money and throwing it right into the harbor. i'm regret that. with new car replacement, if your brand-new car gets totaled, liberty mutual will pay the entire value plus depreciation. liberty mutual insurance. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ ♪

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welcome back. deadlines in the cases of both paul manafort and michael cohen are rapidly approaching. prosecutors are refusing to rule out new charges against manafort after he allegedly broke his plea deal with the special counsel's office. a federal judge has also ordered mueller's team to explain next week what they believe manafort lied about that caused a breach of that deal. meanwhile, we now know a lawyer for manafort briefed the trump legal team on manafort's discussions with the special counsel's office. an arrangement confirmed by the president's lawyer, rudy giuliani. and that all comes as the president's longtime personal attorney, michael cohen, has pleaded guilty to lying to congress about trump's efforts to build a trump tower in moscow. here's the president reacting to that news on thursday. >> michael cohen is lying. he's a weak person. and not a very smart person. and by being weak, unlike other people that you watch, he is a

weak person and what he's trying to do is get a reduced sentence. >> we should point out that cohen has said he was in, quote, close and regular contact with president trump's white house staff and legal team when he prepared his statements for congress. joining us now, we have joyce vance, as well as staff writer for the atlantic and msnbc contributor natasha bertrand. joyce say former u.s. attorney, professor at the university of alabama law school and an msnbc contributor. joyce, i would like to start with you just to kind of get your -- as we head into what could be a monumental week in this investigation. what you are looking for and also what happened with cohen that tells you about how this is going to unfold. clearly we do not know a fraction of what bob mueller knows right now about michael cohen. >> i think that's maybe the most important thing for us to keep in mind.

it's obvious at this point that mueller has a lot of evidence that he's just sitting on. he's connected a lot of dots in ways that we can't because he has a grand jury and subpoena power. and we don't in the public. so we'll just have to wait for that. but the week did start with paul manafort who appeared to have gone south on special counsel. i'm not really certain that anyone was particularly surprised by that or that that damaged the special counsel investigation in any significant way. and even if it did, it was more than balanced out by this revelation that michael cohen was really cooperating in ways that i think no one had fully appreciated that he could. not just with the southern district of new york. not just with the special counsel, but also with the new york state attorney general who has a number of investigations into the trump organization and apparently at least one we don't otherwise know about in progress. so cohen is what i'm really looking for in the future.

it will be interesting to see the many ways he can cooperate and whether this will lead to additional indictments. i think it's unlikely that the level of detail that we saw in the cohen submissions this week, particularly about the president's family, would have been there if mueller didn't mean business. >> natasha, what's your take on what was said about paul manafort. do you think about him breaking the deal, does that diminish mueller's credibility and does it cast any doubt on what we've heard about cohen or is it irrelevant? >> speaking to legal experts about this, they pretty much were all on the same page thinking mueller seems to be playing 3d chess. he's the smarter of the smartest of the bunch of these people he's been dealing with. so it says a lot that he chose to release this information about paul manafort after the president already submitted his written answers responding to all these questions about a potential conspiracy with russia during the election that mueller had posed and that he'd been

putting off for months and months. manafort was trying to keep a foot in the door. he was holding out for a pardon, at the same time trying to lessen his sentence by cooperate with the special counsel but ultimately it's really, really difficult to believe that mueller did not catch wind of that. he actually -- there's been reporting to suggest the mueller team did know that manafort's lawyers were still in communication with the trump legal team and that perhaps they thought that it was just, you know, an arrangement they had that wasn't necessarily damaging to the investigation. but i imagine that with that knowledge in mind there was some maneuvering that was done by mueller's team to accommodate for that. and the delay, the ten-day delay in releasing this report and the fact that trump's answers came in that period to me speaks volumes. >> keir simmons spoke with the russian president's spokesman dmitri peskov and spokesman is a bit of a misnomer. this is putin's absolutely

right-hand people. take a look at what he had to say about the correspondence between the office and michael cohen over potentially building a trump tower in moscow. >> e-mails, e-mails, the phone call asking what they wanted and whether they were in contact. also they were invited to the economic forum because we were told the presidential administration is not dealing with construction works so we can arrange a context with potential russian counterparts, but there's a perfect opportunity at the economic forum. and then they day peered. >> we should note that he did not show the e-mails he was referencing there, but pretty

remarkable the russians essentially corroborating robert mueller. >> unbelievable. the person who was clearly going to be the republican nominee for president of the united states was in direct consultation with the leader of russia to help on a private business deal that he was trying to do in moscow. it's not illegal, the president says, which may be true, but it's astounding. we shouldn't lose sight of that. >> for sure. joyce vance, where does donald trump jr. fit into this. that's something the president seems to be concerned about that's driving a lot of his concerns, anxieties around this. and that if michael cohen lied to congress in this way, that opens the door to don junior having done so. >> that seems to be one of the first lines of interest people have right now and, of course, trump jr.'s lawyers have pushed

back. if we're talking only about his testimony on capitol hill, they are saying that he was truthful. that he indicated that although he knew about the first efforts and was involved in the 2013 effort to build a trump facility in moscow, he wasn't a part of -- was only peripherally aware of this later development that michael cohen played a larger role in. this is really interesting because we find ourselves heading straight back into the collusion question. and if, in fact, there was some sort of financial quid pro quo or a bribe involved in back and forth over election assistance and building in russia, then trump could find himself right in the middle of that particularly if michael cohen could place him there. but it's also possible that he could, as his lawyers say, have no culpability. on this one, we're just going to have to wait and see what the details look like when the evidence comes in. >> yeah, i think that the vulnerability of don junior with regard to the trump tower moscow

deal might be a bit overstated because combing through his senate judiciary transcript he said he's peripherally aware of this and according to my sources, that his testimony with senate judiciary was largely consistent. so i don't think this is the area where he faces exposure. one area where he could be in trouble potentially is surrounding the trump tower meeting. he said his father was never aware of that meeting and it seems like a straightforward thing. yes, he was aware of it or he wasn't. and the president has also answered mueller's questioning say he didn't know about that meet with the russians in 2016 and that is where donald trump jr. could face a lot of exposure because they put a lot of effort into making it seem like the president had -- then candidate -- had no knowledge of this. >> it's all going to be very dramatic and comey back up on the hill coming up on friday. joyce vance, thank you. when we come back, we'll talk more about president bush

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we've come far, but i think we need a new harmony among the races in our country, and we're

on a journey into a new century. and we've got to leave that tired old baggage of bigotry behind. >> welcome back. in 1988, a political action committee with ties to george bush's campaign released an infamous ad that has become almost synonymous with dogwhistle politics. willie horton, convicted of violent crimes in the '70s and '80s was featured in an ad to stoke white fear and deliver one message, democrats are soft on crime. it was one of the many topics covered in a documentary about bush's then campaign manager lee atwater. >> willie horton, convicted murderer. >> willie horton. >> weekend vacations. >> the weekend passes. >> cold-blooded, convicted murderer. >> convicted murderer. >> raped people. >> raped his wife. >> mauled people. >> willie horton will become a

household name. >> i went into the headquarters to see atwater at his request. he locked the office door and popped the famous willie horton spot on to television. he said i got a couple boys going to put a couple million up for this independent. i said that's a huge mistake. you and george bush will wear that to your grave. it's a racist ad. you're already winning this issue. it's working for you. you're stepping over a line. you're going to regret it. and he said [ bleep ]. >> okay. jon meacham,ing this ad, up until this campaign, really, remembered as one of the dirtiest in politics. is that something that the former president regrets doing, or how does he think about that in hindsight? >> the campaign is fascinating for many reasons. in april of that year, the president was -- then vice president was sitting on his porch in maine talking into his

tape recorded diary. this is before ales, before atwater laid out this campaign. >> this is roger ales and atwater who are running the show at this point. this is way before roger ales and fox news. >> about eight years before. so bush is talking, and he said, this guy is outside the mainstream. he's too far left. he knew even before the handlers did that dukakis was vulnerable on refusing to allow the pledge of allegiance -- or teachers to lead it in massachusetts schools and the furloughs. horton raped and killed on a first-degree murderer furlough. and that -- the ad you've shown was put out by an independent committee. it was an early example of what we think of as independent expenditures. the campaign ad the bush campaign did was called the

revolving door and had criminals coming in and out. president bush's view was that, a, we didn't put out the ad with the mug shot and, b, the furlough program was wrong. and i was right on that issue. and he held that view certainly the last time i talked to him about it was probably six, seven years ago. >> we see echoes of this, though, in what the trump campaign has been doing on immigration. >> yes. the effort to tap racial fears. if you are getting ethical advice from roger stone and he's telling you you're going too far, you're probably going too far. this does stand as a stain on george bush's many admirable things about george bush. but the willingness to first do the ad that showed both black and white prisoners going through the revolving door and then to have this group that was independent but not fully independent. had ties to roger ales, stands

as something that i can't imagine he was proud of, although it did contribute to his victory in 1988. >> i talked to governor dukakis about this, and dukakis said george bush wasn't a racist. this was in the public record. any republican would have used it. and -- which i thought was incredibly gracious and mag n magnanimous of governor dukakis. >> it set a new standard for what you could do in a campaign and win. and an ad that was pretty apparently racist being aired on your behalf. >> the ad was a very small buy in the maryland suburbs because the press would see it on their -- it was an early case of earned media for free media for an ad that was made. it was covered far more than it ever ran in the country. >> it seems like a depressing statement, natasha, that this ad, that we just saw, seems to

be almost run of the mill for what we see today. >> and it resonates. my takeaway from that is it reminds you of the ad the trump campaign released, just fear mongering over the border showing migrants basically portraying them as people trying to storm the border as invaders. it does resonate a lot and it just shows how history repeats itself. >> jon meacham, thank you so much. are you going to break out the cigar? >> i've got it right here. >> are we allowed to show it? >> i'm trying to get them to sponsor the program. >> i don't know about that, but thank you for being here in the studio. it's really great to have you. when we come back, my conversation with senator bernie sanders and mike lee about a remarkable step the senate took this week to stand up to saudi arabia. and as we go to break, i want to draw your attention to this note from the press pool after they left the opera house

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there are no words to describe the atrocities that have taken place in yemen. the country's civil war has brought nonstop violence since it began nearly four years ago leaving tens of thousands dead and millions on the brink of famine. much of the devastation has been at the hands of saudi arabia, which has used american-made bombs to carry on its bloody campaign against the iranian-backed houthi rebels. >> abdullah is one of the only surviving members of a family who lived in this house. >> can you think of any reason why your family and this house might have been struck? >> how many of your family were killed?

>> what's your life like now, day-to-day? >> just before the historic bipartisan vote to suspend u.s. involvement in yemen's war, i sat down with an unlikely pair of senators, bernie sanders and mike lee who have come together to force american withdrawal from the conflict. i'm surprised to see the two of you sitting next to each other. why is it that you have mounted a joint push to try and pass the resolution that will take the u.s. out of the saudi-led war in yemen. senator sanders? >> i think for a couple of reasons, number one, it's a horrific humanitarian disaster. the worst taking place in the world today. we're talking about 85,000 children who have already died and millions more who may succumb to starvation if we do not end this horrific war.

second of all, the american people are catching on to the nature of the regime in saudi arabia which is leading this effort. and we should not be part of their military adventurism in my view. and the third point, one that senator lee has been talking about for a long time is the simple constitutionality of the issue. and that is that congress is clear. the constitution is very clear. it is the congress that has war-making powers, not the president of the united states. this war is unauthorized and, in my view, unconstitutional. >> senator lee? >> i'm feeling the bern. i completely agree with what he's saying. it's important to remember one of the distinguishing characteristics about our chief executive in our system is that, unlike the king of england, our president doesn't have the power unilaterally to go to war. it's one of the points james madison made in the federalist '69. it was one of the reasons that

in order to put american blood on the line by committing us to an act of war you have to have the branch of government most accountable to people, congress, act. that hasn't happened here. it's wrong to continue a war until that's happened. >> is that the most prominent piecing of your thinking? >> it's significant. it's huge. in any war, there are going to be significant moral issues associated with it. so i view the moral issue and the constitutional issue as inextricably intertwined. war is, by definition, amorally problematic question because you're talking about killing people. and you're talking about putting our own people's lives on the line. that's what makes it morally problematic and also why, with good reason in our system of government, you don't entrust it to one person. you entrust it to the branch of government most accountable. >> since the murder of jamal khashoggi in the saudi embassy in turkey, people in this country and in the congress are beginning to catch on to the

nature of this regime. and i think you're seeing senators and members of the house saying, do we really want to be party in working with a regime that can, in cold blood, in their own embassy, kill a disdent? what else are they doing? so i think that has resulted in a lot of folks rethinking their previous position. >> senator lee, is this vote a direct rebuke to president trump over his handling of jamal khashoggi's killing? >> no, it's much bigger than that. this wasn't president trump that got us involved in this. it's one of our best selling points in this. this is a war that has been carried out by presidents of two parties. it was not president trump who got us involved in this initially. it was president obama. we've now had two presidents of two different political parties who have had us involved as a o cobellig rant. and they've done so without lawful authorization. it was wrong under president obama and wrong to continue now. >> the senator took a

significant step toward this last week. they'll hold a final vote. it had been scheduled for this week. we'll see if the funeral arrangements change that but that's the plan. susan, this is clearly, in my view, even though senator lee didn't quite want to go there, but this is really a rebuke to the president in the wake of jamal khashoggi because they had this vote in march and it failed. -- >> a willingness by 14 republicans to take a step that they didn't want to take. it is -- the senate, including republicans, taking a stand up against an ally who has put down two terrible offenses. one in yemen and one by killing a "washington post" columnist. >> and we should note this is not -- it may be ultimately a symbolic move, but the senate in republican control has not actually made very many symbolic moves against this president. >> they've not challenged the president meaningfully pretty much ever, except when it came to imposing the new sanctions package on russia after trump came into office.

this is a response to the khashoggi killing. i'm sure you know that many senators were very angry that gina haspel was not on the hill testifying. that to them seemed like, what are they trying to hide? they thought it was bizarre the white house blocked the cia director from briefing all the senators on the hill. that added to their determination to pass this. at least out of committee. we'll see what happens if it actually passes or when it comes out to a vote on the floor but this is very clearly, they see it as completely unacceptable the way the president has responded to the murder of jamal carbgy. khashoggi. >> the president was on the sidelines talking to mohammad bin salman of saudi arabia. >> and the white house just seems to double down on the idea the case isn't that strong. there's no direct evidence, i think, was the word that secretary of state mike pompeo used. that is as odds with what we're hearing from the intelligence community and new information about text exchanges that involved the crown prince and

the head of the detail who was there in the embassy during this horrific murder. >> one thing, of course, that's stunning about this g20 is that it was another example and there have been several of the president going overseas and being completely overshadowed by domestic events at home that are negative for him. while he was away, the cohen news. i'm forgetting about another story negative for him while he is trying to meet with foreign leaders. >> and the last time he went away we had the mueller indictments drop against the russian intelligence officers. so that also kind of overshadowed it. but i think that also leaves him in a position where he's a bit vulnerable. he's isolated so that makes him a bit more vulnerable to people like vladimir putin who want to put on the charm offensive and say we can cooperate. we can work together. i can give you things that perhap yourself traditional allies can't. that's why we should be paying more attention to that meeting they had at dinner. it wasn't a formal meeting but they did chat and the last time they chatted at dinner was in

h hamburg in 2017 and it happened to be about adoptions which is code word for u.s. sanctions on russia, the magnitsky act. so they canceled the formal meeting but this may have been an opportunity for them to discuss issues that are important to important to vladimir putin but his isolation of the gatherings at global leaders and areas where he's clearly not comfortable prevesents a real possibility for dictators and authoritarians that attend these things to exploit that. >> big for russia and china when the united states president is isolated with other leaders from around the world and such a contrast to have george h.w. bush operated. >> indeed. it's a great point. susan page, natasha, thanks for being with us, i appreciate it. concerns of potential voter fraud in north carolina and later tonight, watch the global citizens festival celebrating the year south african independence leader nelson mandela would have turned 100.

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now to the russia investigation and the big bombshell of the week. >> cohen plea deal. >> he lied about a potential business deal with russia to protect his boss. >> a building in moscow, the trump organization was seeking to build during the campaign. >> if you lie to congress, we're going to go after you. >> this is a very serious matter. >> very significant. >> it certainly wasn't cool. >> the president is an international businessman. i wasn't surprised. >> where is the crime? donald trump is a candidate, said no dealings with russia. >> today there is no evidence whatsoever of russian collusion

between the russian state and trump campaign. >> it puts this front and center in the campaign at the very time when the russians were hacking. >> we must do whatever we can to protect the mueller investigation. >> i got to believe the special prosecutor has more details to come. >> you never spoke to julian assange and spoke to wikileaks. >> that is absolutely correct. >> did anyone in the campaign cross the line? >> not that i'm aware of. >> these are really bad guys. >> like the sparanos meet the cuckoo nest sitting at the bar. >> welcome back to "kasie d.c." with me sauna thomas and editor at large john hard woord and wo. thank you for being here tonight. president trump's g 20 appearance was not the first trip overshadowed by the russia

investigation. back home, a day before his first trip abroad, reports emerge the president told russian officials in the oval office that firing former fbi director james comey quote relieved great pressure on him. couple months later when he was at the g 20 in germany, "the new york times" reported on donald trump junior's involvement in the infamous trump tower meeting with the russian lawyer misleading statement defending him was crafted on the flight home. less than a week before the president's 2017 trip through asia, paul manafort, rick gates and george papadopoulos was charged on the same day in january the president arrived in switzerland, "the new york times" reported that trump had previously ordered mueller to be fired but that the president backed off when former white house counsel don mcgahn threatened to quit. then, three days before the summit, he indicted 12 nationals with the clinton campaign. of course, on the very same day the president departed for this

week's g 20 in argentina, michael cohen pleaded guilty to making false statements about a trump tower project in moscow. this is going well. >> it's going well. i mean, i know what rudy giuliani said. i have a hard time believing mueller has a calendar saying there is a presidential trip. that's now how the law works and not how indictments work. it's not out of some kind of weird spite this is coincidekoc. it's fun to watch you read that. >> it's not like there is any shortage of bad news for the president when he's not traveling overseas. >> i suppose that's true. >> he could be just having that calendar on the wall and throwing darts at the wall and picking out days at random. >> rudy giuliani knows that's not why this stuff is happening. >> it's talking about it. >> right. look, this investigation has been going on for awhile. it's been a very fruitful investigation. we're about to get more

information this week. i think the rudy giuliani has a hand full for a client and it's not helping him. >> the reality, too, shaunna, it's interfering with his ability to operate on the world stage. >> the questions that we all have is that, you know, did -- was trump going to cancel his putin meeting because of this thing happening back in america? i think there is at least one pool report that said they did have some, i think but i'm not totally sure but -- >> that was reported. >> please sentsentries. >> talking to the russian president is part of the president's job, that's not good for america and he has to figure out someway to separate these things but he does not seem to have the ability to do that. >> i think things for the

president will get worse before better because robert muller and his team will have their plates full as several filing deadlines in key cases are approaching quickly. on tuesday, a sentencing memorandum related to the case of former national security advisor michael flynn, remember him, that's due. the document is expected to detail flynn's lies and can outline crimes he may have committed that have gone uncharged. on friday, a factual filing is due for alleged crimes paul manafort created after pleading guilty and would reveal what manafort did and said during the cooperation phase of his agreement and then, there is the michael cohen case, two filings are due before his sentencing on december 12th. they should detail tax evasion allegations, payments to women that represent possible campaign finance violations and lies he made to congress. mike flynn, the filings could also highlight any crimes he committed that have gone uncharged.

so i mean, john harwood, we're going to learn at least some new things over the course of the neck week, although, it's probably unlikely it will be the bombshell with cohen out of the blue on thursday of last week. >> right. but i'm going to be especially interested to see him layout the sentencing memorandum for michael flynn. explaining the nature of his cooperation, which is going to be a road map to where exactly michael flynn fits in here. remember, michael flynn had lied to investigators, lied to members of the administration about his conversations with the russian ambassador about sanctions relief. our colleague rachel maddow put together an interesting position of sanctions, election help and that trump tower deal because the sanctions would free bank financing relief of the sanctions would free bank financing for that trump tower deal, and so that could explain a little bit why michael flynn felt he had to lie since the

fact that he was the incoming national security advisor meant that it was not all together illogical he would talk to the russian ambassador about sanctions coming on in the days of the obama administration. >> i think the cohen filings will be interesting because there is still this case of allen who is the cfo of the trump organization. and that cohen case, that particular one does have to do with his money dealings with the president, has to do more with the trump organization than it does with whatever happened with russia and we don't know, other than nose reports he had been given immunity, we haven't heard or seen anything about that yet and that guy has the keys to some of the trump organization castle. >> yeah, quite a significant portion of it. at what point do republicans throw up their hands at this? >> i was going to say, you know, watching the details of the court situation, we can't take

our eye off the ball when it comes to the big picture, the trade war is on a pause but very much an on going concern, and while it may be delayed due to the late president's funeral, we have a government shutdown looming at the end of next week. the president has vast responsibilities to take care of the country, the executive branch of the united states and foreign policy of the united states. at some point, he's got to be able to do the job and i don't see how he does it under these circumstances. >> i didn't see him throw up his hands. >> yes, indeed. jeff flake is holding up judicial picks over protecting mueller. at what point does mcconnell give in on that. >> once we get through the holidays, democrats have gavels and then this isn't just legal proceedings, this say political theater. >> all day, every day. mueller's team has been looking into what possible role roger stone and his associate jerome corsi may have had in the release of the hacked d.n.c. e-mails by wikileaks. stone defended his reputation

and actions for the trump campaign during an interview this morning. >> your work as a dirty trickster, did you do any dirty tricks during the trump campaign? >> the characterization of me as a dirty trickster of me are usually people -- >> self-proclaimed, you bragged about it. >> find me the claim i self-proclaimed it. it goes with the territory but i've never done anything in politics outside the norms of my colleagues and my contemporaries and i've always made it clear that so-called dirty tricks come up to but do not cross the line into lill legality. >> did anyone in the trump campaign cross the line? >> not that i'm aware of. >> we did find some moments stone all but celebrates his notoriety of a dirtytrickster.

>> everything i do is legal. >> why do you embrace the role of dirty trickster. >> i'm stuck with it. it will be in the first line of my "new york times" obituary. the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. >> okay. >> he's very happy he's going to have a "new york times" obit. that's the point. >> indeed. how much culpability do you think roger stone has in this? >> i asked bob mueller. i'm not sure. the thing is him saying he's never done anything that crossed the line into ill legality is interesting because if the president did something like that, it doesn't matter if it were illegal because impeachments are a political process. did roger stone did anything that helped the president do anything that will help him look bad in the ice of the country and congress? we don't have that answer yet

but it doesn't necessarily matter if things were illegal or not. >> i do think there is a legal question for roger in terms of did he lie to investigators or did he lie to congress. >> right. >> about his contacts with wikileaks through jerome corsi or whoever the intermediaries were. he changed his story. he, you know, he -- >> he did amend his testimony. >> he did amend his testimony and he foreshadowed the pa december to -- e-mails before they came out and said i heard about it and it wasn't direct information but now we're seeing in the draft indictment or criminal information on jerome corsi that there was a chain of contact and it was very deliberate. i think that's a source of liability for roger. >> in this marker, michael steele about lying to congress, i mean, this is as you know having worked there not a crime that gets prosecuted often. >> it apparently is going to be

in the future. that's a really good thing in terms of the checks and balances our system relies on. it's a good thing for lying to congress to be a serious matter that results in criminal prosecution and gives teeth back to the oversight power that congress has to regularly. >> and the democrats in control of congress as of january 3rd will be much more interested in running down whether people lied to congress than devin nunes and that house investigating committee were. >> it wouldn't take much for that to be the case. >> exactly right. i'm just saying, all those people who testified who thought that they had gotten past that potential problem have got another thing coming in january. >> the lies have given mueller more leverage over people. that's the thing. you know, had michael cohen not lied to, you know, he's admitted lies, would he be making a plea deal now if michael flynn hadn't lied to people, would he have made a plea deal. it's just, it strikes me it's just dumb. it's dumb to lie to the

investigators. it's dumb to lie to congress and you've given mueller more ammunition. >> you shouldn't recruit for your presidential campaign. this is -- >> you gave it to her. >> the presidential campaign. it's -- anyway. >> i do wonder how you work for president trump. >> no, there was a little selection bias in the folks that wound up -- some of the folks that wound up working. >> a little selection bias. we're just getting started on this hour of "kasie d.c." we'll get drinks at this version of the cantina and we'll talk more about what investigators are looking for from the trump family when mike qui gley joins us in a few minutes and senator bob dole on the legacy of george h.w. bush and his ability to put old slights behind him. "kasie d.c." after this. >> it's been said i'm not the most compelling speaker. and there are actually those who claim that i don't always

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part of his acceptance speech in 1988. it's remarkable in a number of ways, but take a look at this section in particular. >> the fact is pros entperity h purpose to allow us to pursue the better angels, to give us time to think and grow. prosperity with a purpose means taking your idealism and making it concrete by certain acts of goodness. it means teaching troubled children through your present there is no such, that there is such a thing as reliable love. some would say it's soft and insufficiently tough to care about these things, but where is it written that we must act if we do not care as if we're not moved? well, i am moved. i want a kinder and gentler nation.

i may be, may not be the most eloquent but i learned that early on that eloquence won't draw oil from the ground and i may sometimes be a little awkward, but there is nothing self-conscious in my love of country. i'm a quiet man, but i hear the quiet people others don't, the ones who raise the family, pay the taxes, meet the mortgage, and i hear them and i am moved and their concerns are mine. a president must be many things. he must be a shrewd protector of america's interest, and he must be an idealist who leads those who move for a freer and more democratic planet, and he must see to it that government intrudes as little as possible in the lives of the people and yet remember that it is right and proper that a nation's leader take an interest in the

nation's character. >> we've seen that sentiment of tenderness play out time and time again over the course of his life including when he shaved his head in support of the 2-year-old son of a member of his secret service detail. quite some pictures. michael steele, first of all, you work for the bush family. i'm interested in your reflections and i think we can read a little bit of that, as well. also, this stands in stark contrast to what we heard from president trump at his own r.n.c accept tense. >> it was almost every case the direct opposite. the characteristics the president laid out in that speech are in so many ways the opposite of what president trump is and espoused and that's a sad thing for our country and i think that president bush, his example should remind us you can be good as well as great. i think that too many people, democrats under president clinton, many republicans under president trump have gotten in the habit of defending their guy

no matter what transgressions because they are on that team and there is something greater than that. there is something about love of country and responsibility to it that president h.w. bush embodied and i hope we never ever lose. >> and i mean, president bush basically said that there, john, who says, for some reason people say we can't be these things, we can't be caring and kind and gentle but to heck with it, i'm going to do it anyway. that seems like a sentiment we certainly don't have in our politics today. >> no, and given the nature of our two parties and political competition now, it's difficult to see how we get that. now, president obama voiced some of those same weconcerns, not i the same way and sounds different from a democrat than republican and george bush was playing off the end of the region team seeking a third term and there were a significant amount of americans put off by

regan's bravado but that was very genuine to george w. bush. >> george h.w. bush. >> sorry. >> i made the same mistake. >> you talked about some of them in the previous hour, but george h.w. bush was somebody who thought that you did what you had to do to get elected and then you showed your authentic sel self. that campaign speech and attempt to introduce himself to the country on his own at the republican convention was his true self. >> he did project strength on the world stage bringing down and playing a role in the iron curtain among other things. throughout jeb bush's 2016 presidential campaign, his family and in particular his father were ever present in the race even when not out in the campaign trail. jeb's campaign story included this shirt that read quote my dad is the greatest man i've

ever known and if you don't think so, we can step outside. of course, jeb constantly praised his father during his many town halls. >> my dad was this perfect ideal man who to this day is the greatest man alive. [ applause ] >> and things sometimes turned heated on the debate stage. >> sick and tired of him going after my family. my dad is the greatest man alive in my mind. and while donald trump was building a reality tv show, my brother was building a security apparatus to keep us safe and i'm proud of what he did. >> i will, michael steele, save the jokes, but it is worth noting that the one place where jeb got really fired up on the debate stage was defending his family. >> his father was his model in

public service and in someways for a generation inspired by the father and son who were president, he was the inspiration and donald trump failed to measure up so completely to the expectations that they had of a servant leader who is strong and humble and prepared for the rigors of the presidency and honest and straightforward on the campaign trail. it made the contrast very, very hard to take for a lot of republicans at that time and to a certain extent still. >> the one thing i can't help think about as we were remembering this is just how firmly the country has since or at least, perhaps not the country but the republican party has rejected what h.w. bush and later his son stood for. >> just that level of decency. it's interesting to watch these tributes play out like bill clinton writing in the washington post today, just sort of a beautiful letter on behalf of the fact that he post presidency could work with a republican. my question isn't just about the

republican party, about our politics in general. can we get to a place where the overall shared idea of decency and helping people and that is how we approach our governing, even if how you get there is different because of your party, can we get back there or has that been sort of ruined? >> yeah, i mean, we had -- h.w. bush had this clear bright line between campaigning, which is what you do until election day and governing, which is what you do after election day and in the era of the permanent campaign we seemed to have lost the capacity to distinguish. >> or forgotten in someways the other people -- >> it's also worth noting, kasie, people that think like george h.w. bush are leaving the republican party and becoming independent or democrats and if george h.w. bush came up under father-like prescott bush today they would be democrats. >> i wonder if people who think like h.w. bush are even thinking about going into politics. how do you encourage people who

have that level of decency to want to do this? >> right. because it did used to be a human thing and today's "new york times" columnist maureen dowd reflects on a lunch she had with president bush in 2011 and she covered him critically in the white house. she writes he spoke fondly of bill clinton and respectfully of president obama then i asked him about donald trump who is leading the birther charge against obama. neither of us could have imagined then that trump would d dispatch his son's running of low energy. trump 41 pamade a phase. he's a -- he stopped. i can but i won't. when trump began plowing his way. h.w. is known to throw his shoe at the television seat. the narcissistic, amoral,

vulgar, reality tv president and the modest principled, classy, old-world president could not be more different. you have principles and how you conduct yourself should matter. >> service to country should matter. the first act he did was sneak away to join the navy to become a naval aviator in world war ii and he kept every step of the way as c.i.a. director and to beijing and vice president, every step of the way serving his country first it's why the insults against people like president h.w. bush and senator mccain are at odds with what the traditions are but the best traditions of what our country is. >> absolutely. we should note in the column, friend of the show ashley parker is sited as once having been asked when she served back in the day to send george h.w. bush

and emboarder broabroidereed th distriacted and mailed him drugstore hand warmers for which of course george h.w. bush sent a thank you note. classic parker. when we come back, i'll talk to mike qui gle yes who y to hear without immunity or loyalty to president trump.

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michael cohen's guilty plea is getting interest from the house majority. one house democrat referred to cohen as the perfect witness and many are calling for him to return to capitol hill. joining me is mike kwquigley of illinois. great to see you again. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. glad to be here. >> so let's start with what we now know michael cohen lied to your committee about. we know that the comemunication continued from january to june of 2016 during the presidential election. is there any one else you think testified before your committee

who lied about that set of facts? >> well, it certainly calls into question everybody involved in the trump financial world who testified because obviously, he's acknowledging something the president himself denied. the president said he had zero interest in russia and knew it went on much longer than that. and yet, the president said that mr. cohen was lying, later that day his attorney mr. giuliani said well, we recollect the same time frame and the same recollection of what took place. so i think anyone in the trump financial world including the president's son or anyone else who would have been involved in those, they would be fair game to talk about this time frame. >> adam schiff of the committee said one of the first things that you-all are interested in doing is sending the transcripts of your interviews over to

robert mueller. which of those transcripts do you think will be of most interest to the special counsel? >> i think that's our first order of business. we asked in september mr. nunes, the chairman of the house select committee of intelligence to turn the transcripts over immediately to the special counsel and they rejected that and of course, we need your votes to do so. why in the world would anybody reject that? if what we're trying to do is get to the truth and mr. mueller clearly has the quickest lane to that truth. why would you deny his ability to connect the dots if you weren't concerned about him getting to the truth, or you weren't concerned about other people including mr. cohen perjuryi themselves. i think it's going to take some consultation and cooperation, hopefully with special counsel

and mr. cohen to get to thisment who else communicated with the russians? how do those communications involve the trump financial world? who met with the russians? when did mr. cohen meet with them if at all and what were the circumstances? there is a lot of missing pieces and connect the dots to do and any number of transcripts would be helpful to mr. man afort or mueller and vice versa. >> i want to show you a little bit of what adam schiff had to say about potentially other situations where the committee may have been misled. take a look and we'll talk. >> i think michael cohen's guilty plea shows the importance of we believe other witnesses were untruthful before our committee. we want to share those with mr. mueller in this case, the special counsel only had the advantage of written testimony that the witness made public.

we think that the special counsel ought to have the benefit of the transcripts, not only mr. cohen's testimony but other witnesses like roger stone who may similarly have tempted to mislead the committees. >> he mentions roger stone in particular. do you have reason to believe roger stone lied to congress? >> i do. i saw his interview earlier and i seen the number of those. i was one of those who questioned mr. stone before congress. my first reaction was if they ever make a movie out of this entire mess, only roger stone can play roger stone. i reminded that as the campaign went forward, he was bragging before various groups about his connections and communications, his friendship with jewel ulian assange and we know more than he let on. there are any number of witnesses similarly s lly situad

subsequent information led us to believe they werwere purging rr perjury themselves. our first goal is to protect the mueller investigation and see what needs to be done and bring in those that lied or refused to answer questions because they were under a white house gag order chairman nunes allowed. >> to continue through part of your witness list, do you have reason to believe that don junior lied to your committee? >> i wouldn't say that i know for sure that don junior lied to us. i think that he had some failures of memory. i wouldn't be surprised if he lied to us. there was some circumstances

about his communication with his father about the meeting at trump tower. that's what comes to mind first and foremost. i think steve bannon said in the book something that was pretty accurate, give him what we know about the president and his son's relationship. that there was zero chance that dad didn't know about the trump tower meeting or they didn't go there directly to the father's office afterwards, to talk about what took place. and of course, we know there was this decision and co-operation with the president to have some sort of statement made up about what took place at the trump tower meeting. so i think it's very likely. i'm not going to say for certain until we get these gentlemen back before us. >> yeah, there is also a lot of focus on this blocked phone call that came from don junior's phone. what tools do you have at your disposal to figure out if that was in fact a call to the

president? >> well, there are a lot of witnesses that we waeren't allowed to call and subpoena so when they testified, they didn't have to answer questions and there are a lot of documents that we were not allowed to subpoena including telephone records that would allow us to find out who that blocked call was between, trump junior and he said at one time he didn't communicate with anyone then and another round of testimony he wasn't certain if he talked to anybody about it. again, given their relationship, it's strange credibility his credibility to believe he didn't talk to his father before and shortly thereafter. >> all right. interesting times ahead. congressman mike kwquigley, tha you. when we come back, my conversation with senator bob dole and freshman take the hill. back after this. so a tree falls on your brand-new car and totals it.

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george h.w. bush once said quote you can be political opponents and still work together for something more important than your own political future. that allowed his friendship with bob dole to thrive. he and dole faced off in two elections in 1980 and 1988 and worked closely together during bush's presidency when dole was the republican leader in the senate. here is my conversation with the senator earlier tonight. senator dole, welcome to

"kasie d.c." honored to have you. >> thank you. i wa >> i wanted to start with asking you what was your relationship like with president george h.w. bush? >> we both wanted to be in the white house and so we were kind of foes there for a little while and were close friends and had been for, i don't know, 20 years. >> how did you get past that rivalry when you competed against each other for the nomination? was it about his character and yours that let you both move past that and become friends? >> well, i was a republican leader and i was responsible to protect or take care of whatever the president had in the senate and that's probably the genesis. >> so he needed you? >> right. well, not really needed me but, yeah, he needed me because he

couldn't do it without me. >> when bush accepted the nomination in 1988, he called for a kinder, gentler nation. in recent years, we seem to have gotten away from that vision. do you think america would be better off if we move back toward it? >> no doubt about it, whether it's the white house or congress, i think we can always make improvements and this time is no different than ten years ago or ten years from now. >> do you think president george h.w. bush made any mistakes while in office? >> well, he made one before he got there. read my lips, no new taxes. he was forced to raise taxes later. it sounded great at the retris and may have cost him reelection. that's what the democrats played over and over and over.

no new taxes, it didn't help. >> thanks to senator bob dole for that conversation just before we came on the air tonight. john harwood, we talked with george mitchell about some of george h.w. bush accomplishme s accomplishments, the clean air act. one we didn't talk about was the nafta free trade agreement signed by bill clinton was negotiated under george h.w. bush and of course, on the day that he passed, the new version of that was being signed down at the g 20. how much of our free trading system is part of the legacy? >> a significant part. he was an internationalest and the passing of the free trade legacy, not just from h.w. bush but from regan who initiated the talks that led to nafta then to george h.w. bush whose administration negotiated them and then to clinton that passed them then to bush who continued

and extended them, that's the example of something else that we've lost, which is the continuity of government. you've had even as the white house changes parties, a lot of durable achievements and one of those was an open trading system. in fact, president obama with the chance pacific partnership. president trump made a big show of ripping up the chantranspaci partnership and said he would redo nafta, which was terrible to say but the new deal he's toting is part of the legacy because it preserves the important parts of nafta updated with a lot of what president obama negotiated. >> what we've lost there is the leadership on the issue itself making the case for the benefits of trade.

this -- >> the republican party, will they ever be the party of free trade again? >> the decade long triumph is good economics and statesmen sh ship. it was never popular in either party so to get this done is the thing president trump is undermining, not the policy itself which is as you know is fundamentally similar but the idea of the public argument for the benefits. >> i think had hillary clinton won the election in 2016, i think the republican congress would have moved on the chance pacific partnership before she took office. >> entirely possible. when we come back a tradition unlike any other freshman orientation on capitol hill starts to feel a little bit like the hunger games. ready to get your feast on? you better be 'cause it's red lobster's

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>> when i call your name, please come up and draw a number. there is a direct correlation between the quality of the number that you choose and any acts demonstrating good luck 0 or fortune. gyration dances or visible pray something highly encouraged. mr. cline has drawn number one. number 83. mr. green has drawn number 85. ms. porter, you're number 5. >> i'm thinking good offices with access to dunkin' donuts. let's look at sheri's office, it holds a lot of people. which is great because i don't want people to feel squished. this office is amazing ju-ju. >> we love this office. this is our first choice. >> i don't want to pick a room, i don't want to get bad ju-ju.

chris collins. do you think it has bad ju-ju. i drew number 4. may i take a quick look. >> this is not overwhelmingly big. one more choice. >> yeah, i like this one. thank you we're going to get a draw. >> ms. port certificate now up. ms. porter has selected room 1117. >> our thanks to congresswoman elect katie porter who said she didn't want to select an office where someone had been indicted, but the office that she did select belonged to congressman chris collins who was actually indicted. still, though, a member of congress. we'll talk about what to watch for in the week ahead in a moment and right after kasie d.c. catch the global citizen festival celebrating the legacy of nelson mandela, a special broadcast from south africa here on msnbc. the event has famously a star-studded line-up and this year is no different. a quick look at pharrell

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>> three things the state funeral for president george h.w. bush. and the other two are the sentencing for michael flynn. we could learn a lot. and the paul manafort information that comes out on friday. >> fair enough, michael steele? >> in the background of the funeral i'll be watching the shutdown showdown as we barrel towards the friday deadline and maybe a one or two-week extension of the partial funding of the federal government. what are you looking for? >> we don't know how much of the senate schedule will be scuttled because of hw's funeral plans and i'm looking for the vote on yemen and whether the senate will stand up and say hey we can't be involved in this any more. it's somewhat symbolic, but an interesting symbol. >> i'm watching behind the scenes the fight over judges led by jeff flake. up next a celebration of nelson mandela tonight at global citizen festival scluing an exclusive interview with trevor

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