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hour of "msnbc live." now andrea mitchell reports. moving past the key players and focusing sights on the president of the united states. msnbc's nicole wallace, the former fbi director said the white house should be worried. >> if trump wasn't the president, someone went to court in the southern district of new york sponsored information that they directed a crime, what would happen to that person? >> well, that person would be in serious jeopardy of being charged. thanks but no thanks. president trump going back to the drawing board for the top pick to replace john kelly, declining the offer. heading both into reelection season and with this mueller investigation, increasingly ratcheting up, the president could use someone who could help him navigate that political tumultuous time for the next
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couple of years but the person walked away. and rage and revolution. the streets of paris consumed by smoke and tear gas as thousands protest their president saying he's more worried about the rich. >> reporter: they've been firing tear gas and stone grenades for a couple of hours now. they can't contain this crowd but they can stop their anger. >> and good day, everyone, i'm andrea mitchell in washington where president trump is dismissing prosecutor's games he directed michael cohen to make illegal payments just before the election to two women with whom the president allegedly had affairs. the president and the white house claiming he had no involvement in russia despite the claims on friday.
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white house correspondent kristen welker, national security analyst, frank, and msnbc contributor jill, wat watergate special prosecutor. kristen, let's talk about the president. denial, denial on twitter today. no collusion, we've heard that before but it does seem from these filings on friday that both on the manafort side and the michael cohen side, these connections are all circling the president. >> reporter: it does and the documents say that president trump directed two felonies. now, president trump in trying to dispute that says, look, these are nothing more than private contributions, but this is certainly significant and you see that, the extent to which it's really getting under the president's skin and concerning to him. the president lashing out on twitter, re-upping some of the similar arguments we've heard in
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the past saying no collusion and calling this all a witch hunt. over the weekend, kelly o'donnell asked the president if he directed michael cohen to make these two payments and the president said, no, no, no. multiple times. i spoke with the president's attorney, rudy giuliani, over the weekend, who really echoed what we heard from the president who said, look, there's nothing to see here but bottom line, this clearly isn't going away and it's giving a lot of ammunition to democrats who are increasingly talking about impeachment but more significantly, talking about the political peril the president could face, if and when he does leave office, andrea. >> the prosecutors effectively are accusing donald trump of defrauding the voters. >> on friday, the sentencing memo from michael cohen, what they say he did was trying to subvert the election. by making these hush payments,
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by not making them transparent and following finance campaign laws, he was trying to defraud in a way he knew could affect the election. if that's done by michael cohen at the direction of the president, that's what they're saying that the president is doing and this is important because, you know, this is, campaign finance violations are, you know, fairly common in this system, but not usually always criminal, not usually always resulting in prison time or criminal charges. what the prosecutors have done here is michael cohen's crimes go beyond the typical mishandling of funds and bookkeeping problems that result in civil fines that goes into the criminal area and they're saying, in effect, the president directed him to do so. the framers came up with the impeachment clause and the idea of a candidate who tries to fraudulently win an election. and this increases the peril for
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donald trump. >> couldn't his defense argue or he argue that he did not know it was a campaign finance violation? he just thought it was hush money from his own pocket? frank, take that one. >> you can certainly try that, andrea, and we're seeing an evolution of the defense strategy which has gone from, i didn't do it to i might have done it but it's not illegal to the next step being, i did it and it might be illegal, but i'm the sitting president and you can't touch me. the problem with evidence that you directed a felony is that you're involved in other crimes. people who say, this is just about giving money to women to be quiet don't understand the the gravity of directing money through money laundering, through bank fraud, through wire fraud and then campaign finance violations and possibly using the trump organization as a slush fund to support the campaign. at some point, he can no longer
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say, i didn't get it because mueller or the southern district of new york may likely have evidence that shows him directing the money laundering, directing the bank fraud, the establishment of fictitious corporations. at some point, he can no longer. >> james comey was willing to go behind closed doors last friday with the house republicans, demanding he show up and the transcript was released and then on sunday, on sunday night, he sat down with nicole wallace, of course, of white house on msnbc. the 90 second street wide, a fascinating forum. play part of that for you. >> is the president of the united states right now an unindicted co-conspirator? >> i don't know. not in the formal sense he's been named in an indictment, where you can actually say that this defendant and named others
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or others by pseudonym conspired together and that's how you formally name someone as an unindicted co-conspirator, but if not, he's certainly close given the language in the filing that the crimes were in his direction. >> if someone went nin the southern district of new york, sponsored a crime, what would happen to that person? >> that person would be in serious jeopardy of being charged. >> jill, you know about unindicted co-conspirators. whether or not it's what mueller laid out already, there's certainly a legal case to be made. >> there is a legal case to be made and if cohen were not cooperating, if he had been charged in an indictment and it had been phrased the way the information given for sentencing was phrased, then donald trump would have been named as an
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unindicted co-conspirator. there's no question about it. the evidence seems to be there and the prosecutors believe the evidence which seems to me they have testimony directly from michael cohen that says, i did it, i did it at his direction and he knew it was a campaign violation because we used corporate money that exceeded the amount that could be used for a campaign and i could prove it through other means. he must have memoranda or tape recordings or e-mails from donald trump that show and prove he is telling the truth because you need corroboration for someone who has lied in the past. you want to have much more than just his testimony. so i think there's some serious evidence that could be shown to the public. >> now, michael cohen, of course, is on one side of it and it does involve trump organization, russia connections, connections with
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michael cohen and then the manafort side and more russia connections on that front and now, today, maria butina, an unregistered foreign aid in russia will change her plea in court. she's been held in jail. did not make bond. frank, as a former counterintelligence expert, tell us what this all means. >> we don't know where on the spectrum of gravity this falls, but let's watch closely for number one, a cooperation agreement. if she is entering a guilty plea as part of a cooperation agreement, let's recall what this case was about. this is a foreign agent working, accused of working on behalf of russia who penetrated and got next to the national rifle association, the nra, among other groups. the nra is being looked at for
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receiving russian funds, so the question is, is she a russian connection? can she share information about russian government money flowing into the nra and going to candidates, perhaps even a presidential campaign, masked as nra contributions? that would be huge. does she also open the door to possible funding or campaign contributions to members of congress? we don't know but watch closely in the next couple of days for the possibility of a cooperation agreement and then stand by because she could be the link to russian government involvement in a part of this campaign. >> frank, i'm just hypothesizing here, so help me out. there is one secret investigation, at least one we don't know about involving michael flynn from those filings earlier last week and a lot of people think it had to do with turkey, possible illegal kidnapping conversations, things
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involving turkey and failure to register as a turkish foreign agent but could there be a connection here because he was in moscow at the same time as some of the nra people? >> it could be. so now we're in the pure realm of conjecture but i put two possibilities at the top of the list for this mystery case. one is, it's some other country or countries beside russia that's meddling and being looked at in the campaign and then secondly, it's something to do with secret russian money to fund not only the trump campaign but others and possibly involving the nra. those are the two buckets. i put the highest possibilities in for the mystery case. >> peter baker, when you look at all of this, circling around the president, and comey, whom he's been trying to demonize but could also be accused of witness tampering. in a case that mueller brings, what kind of a witness will comey be compared to rick gates
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at the manafort trial, both people who have been political targets, one of whom has been accused and pleaded of lying but as a former fbi director, comey, no matter how politically he's been slimed by his critics, what kind of witness would he be against the president? or some people in his family or anybody else who's accused down the road? >> right, that is a good question. i mean, james comey, of course, you're right. the target of relentless attacks by the president. they have he and his allies that tried to pick apart his testimony and make him out to be less than trustworthy. coming intothi this, he had. people didn't agree with the way he handled the hillary clinton e-mails but didn't question his truthfulness. they're trying to undercut that and if he is a witness against them, like saying it's a he
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said/she said situation. it's ironic for a president who is documented to make more than 6,000 leading statements since he took office to question somebody else's, you know, forthcoming truthfulness but comey's reputation is pretty solid one with people in law enforcement and the question is whether or not the jury pool, if it were ever to come to that, the question is whether or not people who will make the decisions ultimately have come to question his integrity. >> peter baker, kristen welker, jill wine-banks. we start a busy week. >> who's going to replace john kelly as white house chief of staff now that the top choice turned down the job? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. [beep] you should be mad your neighbor always wants to hang out.
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another volatile day on wall street. a bumpy morning today. the dow dropping 4 to 50 points entering into correction territory as the sell-off continues. for more, let's turn to our expert. msnbc's ali velshi for the latest. while you're preparing for your own program in less than an hour now, thank you for coming in now and put this in context. what is it? brexit? china? >> it's a market in a bad mood, right? so when the market is in a bad mood, it looks for either things that are going to justify the fact it's in a bad mood or
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things to take it out of it and give investors a reason to buy it. what's not happening is investors are not getting a reason to buy. two clear developments. brexit, i'll talk about that in a second but then, there's a ruling in china about iphones preventing the sale of some older iphones in china. apple says there's no sales affected. it's a patent ruling having to do with qualcomm but it affected markets. teresa may is saying she held off vote on brexit. it's supposed to take effect march 29th and there isn't a vote in the british parliament. companies that need more than 90 days to get the orders in place don't know what to do. whether they're in a postbrexit world or pre-brexit world or a brexit without a deal and that's another piece of cloudiness in the markets. what investors like the most is clear skies and visibility
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unlimited. they like to be able to see everything in front of them. between rising interest rates, a trade war with china and brexit complicating things, more reasons to sell than buy and then a dow and s&p 500 in correction territory which means down more than 10% from the recent highs. >> ali velshi, you can get a lot more of ali coming up all day and of course, velshi and ruhle for more. more turmoil at the white house. markets can't help but john kelly is out as chief of staff but the young mike pence aide said mr. trump wanted to recruit for the job turned him down. the top contenders for the post, they did include mark meadows but we understand that meadows doesn't want the job. omb director might take it if pressed. former trump campaign strategist
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on the list. steve mnuchin and yankees president levine. senior aid under president clinton and obama, vice presidents to gore and biden and the weekly standard, a former chief of staff to dann quayle. lots of chiefs of staff here. you know how this all works. first of all saying, thank you, but no thanks to a young 36-year-old politicalgeorgia. he's got triplets. wanted to move. temporarily. out of central casting because he has the political savvy that john kelly doesn't have, if not the graf it is vitas and gets ah the trump family and the president. he wants to go back to georgia. doesn't want the two year commitment. this is not an easy job. if you're looking at the mueller probe, everything else coming down, this president doesn't like to take advice.
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>> he doesn't. the last two chiefs of staff were filed publicly by the president in contrast of a promise he said to let them leave on their own terms and way. this job is like being the king's hand in game of thrones. it ends poorly for everyone. it's not surprising like nick ehrs doesn't want it. >> this is so far, nick ayers, he thought he would be two years from now. he would take this job and even if thought it might end badly in a couple of years. >> what are you saying? >> he thinks the trump ship is going down and not and going back to georgia and wants to
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make more money. you can make more money on the outside than the inside. he's made tens of millions of dollars. what reason is that for someone? has anyone turned down the chief of staff job? howard was the distinguished senator from tennessee. he did not need to be chief of staff. be able to be director and wasn't an easy guy to manage. and he thought it was the right thing to do. sitting next to me, i'm sure doing very well in 2014 and the ebola thing and a big headache to put those things on hold and you did it. i think all the excuses, people are entitled to make their own decisions but it's very revealing that he seems unable to get someone serious, maybe doesn't want anyone serious but unable to get someone serious to be chief of staff to the president of the united states. >> i'm going to say, i remember when howard baker got the call. he was taking himself out of contention to run for president.
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>> people only take that job if, you know, they're going to have the authority to do the job and it's a reasonable chance of success. in the trump white house, neither one of those things are true. the son-in-law and daughter are floating powers behind the scene who cannot be controlled, cannot be brought into any discipline structure and of course, most of all, the president is erratic, uncontrollable and, you know, possibly involved in a criminal conspiracy. so none of that adds up to the kind of opportunity that any reasonable person would want as white house chief of staff. >> the other thing that's beginning to happen. you see it with the votes coming up on yemen. t look at marco rubio on the subject of pardons this weekend. >> i believe it would be a terrible mistake. you know, pardons should be used
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jus judiciously. they're used with cases in extraordinary circumstances and i haven't heard the white house is thinking about doing it. i haven't heard anyone say we're thinking about doing it. i would advise strongly against it. it would be a terrible mistake. i would not be supportive of it and i would be critical of it. i don't think any pardon should be used in relation to these particular cases, frankly, not only does it not past the smell test but undermines the reason why we have presidential pardons in the first place. >> bill crystal, what's going on in the republican world right now? elected rebel c elected republics? >> i think finally some public cracks. the election results have sunk in after a week or two. gee, this is really a path to nowhere for the republican party. the appointment of whitaker, attorney general, more of a shock to the system for people knowledgeable than the sort of recognized at the time and unqualified person, not confirmed by the senate, not next in line.
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sort of political crony of the president put him there and objections. the handling of khashoggi. but when you talk to republicans, governors, there is a sense this thing is more likely this will not end well at all. >> if matt whitaker becomes chief of staff? >> to make him acting attorney general and everything bill just said about why people have doubts about it would be reconfirmed. he flew with jared kushner on marine one the last couple of days. remember the outrage when president clinton stumbled with loretta lynch by chance. this was a planned conversation.
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big news at the supreme court today where a pair of republican appointed justices sided with liberal colleagues in rejecting a critical case concerning public funding for planned parenthood. nbc justice correspondent pete williams with the details. i know this does not involve abortion because abortion money cannot be used for planned parenthood. it's women health issues and this is an interesting test of at least two of these justices. >> reporter: so the case came to the supreme court after those videos came out that accused planned parenthood people of selling fetal tissue. as a result of that, the states found the videos disturbing even though there were questions about them. louisiana and kansas passed laws
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saying medicaid patients in those states could not get health care services from planned parenthood. aborks wtion was not an issue h because federal medicaid cannot be used to fund abortions. but other services like breast cancer screening and so forth. so some patients sued and they said, we should be able to get health care services from any legitimate provider and lower courts blocked those laws. the state asked the supreme court to take the case and the supreme court said no, it would not. so it's a victory for the patients in those states and a victory for planned parenthood. now to get back to what you were saying about the justice breakdown, while it takes five votes to win in the supreme court, it takes four votes to grant a case and only three justices today said the court should have taken this case. samuel alito and neil gorsuch.
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john roberts and the newest brett kavanaugh did not join that. thomas said today that he thinks the courts shied away from it is because it involved planned parenthood and too much of a hot button case, so it could be another sign that this court is trying to keep a low profile here after the bruising battle over kavanaugh's confirmation. >> nbc's pete williams. just saw a quick note from you. your best bet on when william barr's nomination papers would actually go up to the hill, do you think he would have a confirmation hearing soon because i think as you're pointing out, that would make him have to testify about what he would do about mueller. >> any confirmation hearing from barr before the mueller report comes out is going to be all about that. for any, not just barr but anybody the president would have nominated for attorney general. so the best thinking i heard at
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least from the members of congress is they don't think any confirmation hearing would happen before late january or early february and whether the mueller report will be out by then or not, who knows? >> pete williams, you know everything, pete. thank you vf. thank you for being with us. >> okay. exclusive reporting, the president's son-in-law and jared kushner helped private talks with mohamed even after khashoggi. they were calling each other jared and mohamed in phone calls and text messages. the inside scoop from white house correspondent from "the new york times," part of the team that broke this story and columnist for the daily beast and mark is joining us from london. a lot going on there too. first, let's talk about this reporting. your reporting is jared kushner was even advising mohamed bin salman with how to deal with the
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fallout of the allegations he ordered the killing. >> yeah, that's right, andrea. in the period of time after khashoggi was killed on october 2nd, we learned there were repeated conversations between jared kushner and mohamed bin salman or mbs as he's commonly known. in some of the conversations, kushner was actually offering him some advice about how to get through this storm of controversy and scrutiny that came after the killing of khashoggi. so it's a long pattern that really dates back to even the months before the administration, before the president came into office, but it has continued up until the present time and that's, i think, what made it particularly interesting for us. >> part of your reporting is also, mark, that jared kushner was involved in the very early stages of the white house, even during transition with this
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connection with mohamed bin salman, and mbs as he's known was leapfrogging to become crown prince. >> what was interesting is how coordinated and methodical, they sent delegations to meet with kushner during the transition period. they thought through very carefully how they would appeal to him and presented various proposals of things the saudis could do and buy from the united states. they planted the idea of president trump visiting riyad if you recall he did as first trip of president. this was a very well thought out, carefully plotted effort to single out this son-in-law of the president who the saudis felt would be very influential and bring hill m on board early and get his support, throw his support behind mohamed bin
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salman who at that time was the third ranking member of the royal family. he was not, at that point, crown prince but deputy crown prince and then made this rapid assece. it didn't hurt to have him publicly behind him seeing him as a future ruler of saudi arabia. there were benefits of both sides and the history we were really trying to unravel. >> and the white house response is, quote, implications that jared inquired about the possibility of influencing the saudi royal succession process are false. margaret, the evidence here is pretty interesting coming from "the new york times." there was a power point they got from other sources they got from other countries and a power point presented that showed how the kushner connection could help the saudis. >> well, they saw mark and they
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got him through contact, through reaching out, through elevating him to a secretary of state who's a mini secretary of state. rex tillerson is sent on trips and jared kushner is actually behaving as secretary of state. he was going to bring peace to the middle east, had a huge portfolio and like his father-in-law, if you like trump or if you like jared kushner, they're gieoing to like you bac. they're still doing deals and deals rely on this common aspect where both sides of the table are trying to con each other and jared kushner was conned by mbs. there's no doubt about it and in mark's piece, just laid out every step of the way in which that happened and that mark reports that jared kushner was this huge supporter after the
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murder of khashoggi is a shocking revelation. >> to put it in context, as the middle east adviser, he was persuaded, jared kushner, been to some of these white house briefings where the white house thought that by going to riyad as the first summit and getting the saudis to connect with israel and if they could do a global deal for middle east peace, throughout the region, and that was the thinking behind it. >> in the middle east and because mbs was on their side against iran, those are two things, all together, we can engineer and world altering deal. >> and mark, we should point out we have not been able to match your reporting about the khashoggi conversations.
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i know it's causing quite a ruckus around the world. today's "new york times" reporting. margaret carlson here. the blindside. president trump's surprising announcement replacing his joint chiefs of staff, his chairman nearly a year before chairman joe dunn ford's term is even up. what's going on there? stay with us on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. ready to get your feast on?
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president trump broke all precedent saturday announcing a new chairman for the joint chiefs of staff army general mark milley. he has joseph dunford whose term does not expire until october 1st. some pressured him to quit early which told he will not but did it on the morning of the annual nav navy/army football gaime. general, i can't think of anyone i would prefer to talk to right now. tell people why this is so unusual, why it's a slap at jim mattis, the defense secretary and why it was unusual to let
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joe dunford know it was so shoved aside without any warning? >> certainly is an unusual way of going about your business, as you've mentioned, general dunford is a highly respected four star marine. former marine corps, a lot of combat experience and widely respected and not just in the united states but the international defense community and trusted by secretary mattis. so to announce it this early, ten months out does diminish his ability to be viewed as the voice of military advice under the goldwater nickles act and it's very unusual. >> and it's also unusual because this was not the first choice, general milley was not the person that the defense secretary wanted. doesn't the self-defendefense s
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have a key role in deciding who gets the job? >> i think the defense secretary gets the vote and that's it. there's a bunch of people who get the vote on that position to include members of the senate, so all these senate confirmed positions are a negotiation of sorts but look, at the end of the day, i think what happened was mark milly up on the afghan frontier when he was a brand-new one star. a civilian analyst doing, taking a look at what's going on in afghanistan. i came back and debriefed people and said, this guy is the best i've ever seen. he's a princeton hockey player. his dad was a world war ii combat marine and his mother who served in the navy in world war ii. he spent most of his life now on operations in haiti, columbia, afghanistan, iraq, got a tremendous vision about multi-domain combat. so i think, and by the way, the
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air force probably will end up with the vice chairman slot is my read of how this is going to come out for their view on technology. so it's good news that mark milley is going to be the chairman. it's unusual and slightly harmful to dunford to announce it this early. >> and in fact, general, general milley as an army guy is probably the right guy for the job given the wars that we're in right now in afghanistan, iraq, you know, which are not air wars primarily, correct? >> of course, everything we do now is joint operations. i mean, if you look at a tough one like syria, where we've got a very small ground footprint there, a lot of the influence is actually robotics and controlled by the air force. so i'm not sure if the service
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is as important as it would have been ten years ago. it's qualification of the later. possible explanation of announcing milley this early was it was odd that potentially all the service chiefs and the chairmen were going to switch over in about ten months at the same time. so that may be another explanation of what we're seeing. >> coming from this white house, there's a lot of some military folks have been talking to in washington. very distressed at the personal insult and there was no notice that it was a blindsiding. >> clumsy. >> indeed. thank you so much and coming up, taken to the streets. inside the the violent protests in paris. stay with us right here. in baltimore, a community sees new life rise from ruin. in southern california, a small family business becomes a beacon of hope.
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paris correspondent is embedded with the protesters and reports. >> reporter: yellow vests protesters accuse the police of provoking the unrest. by cornering them and using teargas and rubber bullets against peaceful crowds. in the midst of the chaos, a protester is hit by a rubber bullet. she's stable but in shock. this is what protesters are denouncing the police for. this is a creation, a french creation. this was developed here in france called a flash ball and police have been using to disperse demonstrations. this combined with teargas has been the reason why so many people have been rushing up and
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down the street. what's been happening today is very different from -- the one thing that's similar is that chant, meaning, macron should resign. while some demanded social justice, others looted and sacked dozens of shops in paris. while the yellow vests insist these are not part of the movement, others said they believed only by breaking rules will they be able to really show their anger. and get the government to bow. >> and joining me now from paris, great to have you here, what that last person you interviewed said was that they're close to a civil war.
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what can macron say an hour or so from now to try to calm this? >> reporter: well, this is a very good question, andrea. the stakes have never been higher for macron, facing the biggest challenge so far to his administration. the french president has been struggling to come up with a solution to this crisis for weeks now and if he has heard anything from the streets, well, he better announce some concrete set of measures that will have a positive impact in the lives of the men and women who have been taking to the streets and it's important to note that the way he says things tonight is as important as what he announces because macron's personality has had a huge role to play in the crisis. protesters i have been speaking to saying he's too arrogant, detached from their reality. a woman told me he has no idea what it's like to live on 1,200
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euros a month and she said she can no longer feed her children at the end of the month. he better come up with a good plan and say it simply and concretely so that people, these yellow vests, actually listen to him this time around. >> and one quick thought is you have got the president, the president of the united states tweeting that the protesters were chanting we want trump. something tells me that that's not correct. did you hear anyone shouting we want trump? >> reporter: absolutely not. andrea, i spent two full days in these demonstrations. i spent a lot of time on the road across france with demonstrators and they have not talked about trump once. i actually asked them about the tweets and the messages that donald trump had been suggesting were linked to his strategy and they said, well, trump has absolutely nothing to do with this. this is about france.
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this is about macron and everything he represents. this is a president that was elected on a promise to shake things up in france and he said he was ready to make tough decisions and people think he is stuck. >> thank you so much. great to have you with us. thank you for being with us today. we'll be right back. fatherhood. but i'd rather be here with my little man than not be here because of migraine. i have three words for migraine... "i am here." aimovig, a preventive treatment for migraine in adults, reduces the number of monthly migraine days. for some, that number can be cut in half or more. the most common side effects are pain, redness or swelling at the injection site and constipation. talk to your doctor about aimovig. and be there more. discover card. i justis this for real?match, yep. we match all the cash back new cardmembers earn at the end of their first year, automatically. whoo! i got my money! hard to contain yourself, isn't it? uh huh!
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