friend, reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lede, another week of deadlines in and around the white house. the entire trump brand is under federal investigation. but trump loyalists continue to see what their boss wants them to, nothing at all. >> collusion is not a crime. it was over with by the time of the election. >> if it's not a campaign expense, it cannot be a contribution. >> the cooperate contribution would clearly be illegal. >> no, it would not be. >> this is what's so weird, the crime is conspiracy to hack. collusion is not a crime.

speaking of crime, the president took to twitter today with a gangster's lingo, describing his former personal lawyer michael cohen as, quote, a rat, again calling the special counsel investigation a witch-hunt and bringing up hillary clinton's e-mails. and just when you thought there might be a holiday break, here's what's on deck this coming week. former fbi director james comey is back testifying on capitol hill tomorrow, monday, over those e-mails. and former national security adviser michael flynn is due for sentencing tuesday. and fresh today, our nbc "wall street journal" poll shows 62% of americans don't believe the president has been truthful about his contacts with russians, but a majority of

republicans, 70%, do. joining me now, eric eric sony, a blogger and talk show host based in atlanta, pete dominick, host of a radio show "stand up" on sirius xm. >> you got it. >> and katie benner who covers the justice department for "the new york times." kate, let me go to you first. collusion is not a crime. corporate donation to affect an election is not a crime as says rudy giuliani, who says truth is not truth. >> yeah. first we have to take into account this is being said by rudy giuliani, and he's not been completely forthcoming in his public statements to defend the president. when he emphasizes collusion is

not a crime, sure, that's one thing, but he but what he's trying to wrap in that statement is not quite accurate. we clearly see that prosecutors have gone after michael cohen, they have worked with ami as copti witnesses to show these payments were meant to obviate the process and highlight the information voters needed. that is a crime, and rudy giuliani's efforts to obfuscate that do not change the facts. >> eric, when we look at the new "wall street journal" nbc poll and 70% of republicans say they do not believe the president has had necessary or a lot of contact with the russians, is the republican and conservative community agreeing with giuliani that this is not a crime even if

he did those things like hit ami to pay off and hide stories like getting michael cohen to pay off women who had affairs years ago, but they just happened to get paid off right before the campaign, is that going to be the position of the conservatives in this country? >> i think out of the gate it probably will until the mueller investigation comes out and they're allowed to meditate on it. i thought it was fascinating that as the flynn and cohen and paul manafort documents were released, there have not been vocal republicans pushing back. they've been doing what giuliani is saying, that if this is not true, it's not a crime. ironically the president has a pattern of paying off women to keep quiet. patterns and practices that would exist, but for the campaign. but i can say i've been paying off porn stars for years to keep quiet, the problem is that he's got michael cohen in the room in court under oath saying, yeah, we were doing this to cover it

up for the election. i mean, if the -- >> he didn't have a pattern of waiting until years later to pay off -- >> this is the problem. >> right before an election and after the "access hollywood" tape, he doesn't have a pattern of that. >> this is the problem for the president. he's got his own lawyer saying actually we were conspiring because of the election. republicans can rally the flag around the president if they want right now, but we haven't seen the full mueller report and we've seen violence from major republicans with the latest allegations, which suggest they're starting to get concerned. >> just as a reminder of what is under criminal investigation right now, trump's campaign, trump's transition, trump's inauguration, trump's family business, and trump's presidency. so, pete, what sayeth thou? >> it's unbelievable. what rudy giuliani said this morning on tv is unbelievable. he basically said, oh, yeah, the

conspiring and collusion was over before the election. twitter went crazy. rudy giuliani, i mean, to be fair for him, he has a very difficult job and he's been doing it really, really poorly when he does it. he goes on tv and he says all kinds of crazy things under intense questioning. this morning he said he did not help the president's cause and basically said a crime is not a crime. it's just not helping. he's making it worse for him. i don't know why he lets rudy go out there. >> katy, you cover the justice department for "the new york times." people have been prosecuted for doing these things in each of the areas -- the two areas that i opened the show with. so we're not talking about whether this is a witch-hunt at president trump or at a republican. john edwards, i mean, any number of people have been prosecuted

for these very same type of acts. >> absolutely. so when you look at what's happening right now, giuliani and the president, people close to the president are trying to create as much noise as possible so people are confused about the facts. but at the end of the day mueller and other prosecutors will not care about that noise, and the question for the trump administration is, can you indict a sitting president? right now the opinion of the justice department is no. whether or not this will lead to impeachment, they're kicking up dust to distract us from what is really important, it's those two questions alone >> the real question also is that, yes, the question will come up about the policy and the justice department, can you indict a sitting president. but the other question is a political one. if enough evidence comes out in the mueller report or in southern district of new york moving further, will some of the republicans in the senate --

because the republicans face a challenge in '20, you have 18 senate seats up, will some of them start saying, wait a minute, i'm not willing to go on a political kamikaze mission and start moving over saying that he should sit in office if he's impeached by the house, i'll vote conviction? >> look, the republicans will nixon kind of lined up behind him until the facts starting coming out and they had to go to the white house and convince him he had to resign. you have a lot of republicans in the senate, even those who aren't up in 2022, not a lot of love lost with the president. a lot of them are bristling under the president and they're looking for mueller to come up with something that can either make it clear to them they need to defend the president or get the president to say mike pence can be president from here on out. we know the president himself

isn't having fun right now from all the press reports, and now we're starting to see his empire crumble. there's probably going to be pressure to build there. >> when you look at the landscape right now, do you feel that the democrats will go in and would aggressively go after impeachment, or will they kick the can down the road and wait and see what happens with mueller? >> that's the big question. if all we have is what we have now in terms of paying off these women, maybe not, but i think these are the appetizers from the mueller investigation. i think that once we start hearing more tapes, and once we see much more evidence of conspiring with the russians and more obvious evidence and arguments for obstruction, once these agents of chaos aren't distracting the mueller

investigation, then maybe you could pick off a few republican senators. but they have yet to show integrity on this issue. there's definitely going to be a lot of subpoenas and investigations, which is why ryan zinke decided he had to go this weekend. >> if we see flynn say there were meetings with russians and candidate trump was involved, and it is corroborated by people like michael cohen, then it puts us very close to where unquestionably there was collusion. and then the argument is what, that collusion is not a crime, even though it is clearly written that way in the law books? >> yes, so i think we're going to face two factors as we go down that road. if flynn's testimony is corroborated by others, senior trump campaign officials were talking to russia, we have a huge problem. as those names get closer the and closer to trump's inner circle, we're going to be

dealing politically with physical only the facts of the investigation, but how the president responds because if we get closer to his inner circle, i won't name names, but we can all guess who would be very close to the president and who he would be upset about if the mueller investigation shined a light there, we would see the president take actions that would be unprecedented and that will also necessitate a strong political response. >> donald doing something unprecedented? >> she's a reporter for "the new york times," but i am not, so if erica, don junior and ivanka's names come up -- >> first, my next guest says migrant children are being hurt deliberately as part of a political strategy. he'll make his case when we come back.

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welcome back. since announcing his candidacy for president in 2015, donald trump has made the issue of immigration the centerpiece of his policy agenda. and surely the issue will continue to be one of the leading topics all the way up to the 2020 election. yesterday a number of potential democratic candidates for 2020 took a trip to the u.s. southern border to witness firsthand the impact of the trump administration's immigration

policies. one of those politicians, senator jeff murkily of oregon. first, what did you observe yesterday? >> what we saw were 2,700 children locked up behind barbed wire in a military-style prison camp. and i must say this is part of the trump administration strategy of inflicting trauma of immigrant children awaiting their asylum hearings as a way of sending the political message to the world that we're not anxious to have anyone seek asylum in the u.s., but no moral code can allow this. >> 2,700 children? >> 2,700 children and they have built the camp out in order to expand it to accommodate 3,800, so it's been growing very steadily since june and they're planning for more. >> now, the president has said that we are trying to hold back an invasion.

did you get any sense, hint, or any evidence that there's a pending invasion at the border? >> no, not at all. in fact, i had gone over the numbers with one of the commissioners for the border patrol, and quite frankly, many of the border spots, there's not even a line at this point, yet we have been trying to discourage people from coming by putting up border guards and not allowing anybody to even assert asylum at the ports of entry, the very places that the trump administration has said they want people to come to zero. >> now, do you therefore see any rationale at all for the congress to give the money any kind of funds to build a wall? is there any rationale, put aside party politicians. is there any reason you would feel that we need to spend this kind of money -- we're talking a huge amount here -- to build a wall?

>> not a dollar on a wall. the walls are actually -- the border patrol tells us these are counterproductive, that they're easily bypassed. they really dislike this. this is a very dumb idea, a very expensive idea, and it just has to do with some temper tantrum the president's throwing. his strategy for a wall is simply dumb and unsupportable, and it still little support even among republicans on capitol hill. >> just for clarity, u.s. border patrol people said if there was a wall, it would stop them from being able to see what's going on on the mexican side of the border? >> exactly. they say for them to operate, they have to be able to see what's going on. they can't see through a concrete wall, so they think

it's a counterproductive idea when it comes to security. >> now, listen to trump's white house adviser steven mnuchin miller today talking about the wall. >> it's time that both parties had the appropriate level of outrage over the fact that these organizations -- >> they weren't kwapd to deal with the record number of families coming across. why aren't they? >> one of the great tragedies is the loopholes in immigration laws and the deficiencies that incentivize the most vulnerable populations to come to our country. >> your response to that? >> well, the big thing we saw was in this prison camp they told us that over 2,000 of the children had been there for more than 20 days, in violation of the flores agreement which was done because imprisoning

children is traumatic to them, this is a deliberate effort to inflict trauma on children rather than placing these families with their sponsors. in fact, the head of the operation told that you say 1,500 of those 2,700 already have sponsors, already have the sponsors fully fingerprinted, and yet the trump government is not letting them go to these homes. he said within five days they could be in these homes and cut the size of that population in half. so we just see time and time again this strategy towards children is coming from a very dark and evil place in the heart of this administration. >> let's switch gears a minute, senator e merkley. are you going to run in 2020 for the democratic nomination for president of the united states? >> i've been holding a lot of conversations. i'll decide in the first couple months of the new zero what would help your decision? >> there are three things that keep me up at night, and one at it corruption of the we the

people of the constitution, gerrymandering and dark money. we're losing the entire vision of this country was founded. the second is carbon pollutions that's doing so much damage. we're the generation that has to act quickly to counter it and in the course of it create millions of good-paying jobs, do the smart thing with energy, lowest-cost renewal energy, and the commitment to families. families succeed on the health care, housing, education, and living-wage jobs, and those are the four things that republicans have no interest in >> when the new house and senate is seated in january just a couple weeks from now, do you recommend they aggressively go after impeachment, and, of course, the senate would have to decide on conviction if, in fact, the house impeaches, or do

you support that they should deal with impeachment but also deal with health issues and climate change and criminal justice and other issues that were dominant issues during the midterm elections this year? >> well, i'll take door b where they look at impeachment in the context of the upcoming mueller report and decide how powerful the evidence is to bring to bear. but they absolutely have to set the stage for the 2020 battle by laying out bills, for example, voter suppression, taking on the corruption of our constitution. they have to do that very powerfully. they need to proceed with criminal justice, they need to proceed on making health care stress-free and a large stride towards the vision of medicare for all. they need to proceed to say that we have a housing crisis across this country, so even if we can't get those bills passed in the senate, they're laying out the vision for taking on the challenges of constitutional

corruption, of climate chaos, and a commitment to families. >> what kind of candidate do you think the democrats need to defeat president trump if he is, in fact, the one running in 2020? do we need a charismatic person? what would be the type of candidate you think the democrats need, even if it ends up being jeff merkley? >> someone who is tough, who has taken on powerful constituents and defeated them, whether they're the mortgage industry or they're wall street's casino operation, someone willing to take on the fossil fuel enterprises, somebody tough, organized, and coherent and clear and brings dignity and decency back to the office. >> thank you, senator, jeff merkley. up next, when the best defense is offense.

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gotcha. and the disheartening news that a seven-year-old migrant girl died while in u.s. custody. the little girl identified as seven-year-old jack lean cal crossed the border illegally with her father, but then he and other migrants turned themselves in to the state of new mexico. that's when jakelin started having seizures. without medical care, jakelin was eventually air tloiftd a hospital in el paso where she died the next day day of dehydration and shock. the story doesn't end there. department of homeland security

secretary kirsten nielsen had this to say. >> it's heart wrenching, and my heart goes out to the family, all of dhs. you know, this is just a very sad example of the dangers of this journey. this family chose to across illegally. we gave immediate care and will continue to look into the situation, but, again, i cannot stress how dangerous this journey is when migrants choose to come here illegally. >> secretary nielsen, are you serious? your response to a seven-year-old girl dying in u.s. custody is to blame the family for taking a dangerous trip? let's stop and think about this for a minute. if the journey to the border is as dangerous as you say, and a father still decides to bring his young child there, then they must be fleeing some terrible conditions because i don't know too many parents who would unnecessarily put their child through such a grueling trip.

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we are just two weeks away from the end of the year. democrats are getting ready to take over congress in january, rumors are swirling about the additional shakeups at the white house, and mounting legal threats continue to surround president trump and his inner circle. what will 2019 look like? back with me is eric ericson, blogger and radio host, pete dominick, radio talk show host at serioirius xm. what do you see in '19? howl the 2020 race start shaping up in terms of candidates? >> it's going to be really,

really interesting. first of all, we have to deal with this potential government shutdown by friday, of course, but once democrats take over, you're going to see. i get i worked when people say democrats can't do a number of things, including investigations and trying to get legislation passed. we know that even if they pass anything in the house, it's going nowhere in the senate. but certainly they're going to trying to protect the affordable care act, something on voting rights, something on corruption, something on sexual harassment in congress. they're going to try to rehabilitate government, all while investigating the trump administration and what i think is a level of corruption unlike anything we've ever seen. >> what are you seeing in the areas i've outlined. though i'm a republican, i've been critical of the republicans not investigating some members of the cabinet who, frankly,

have needed to be investigated for various issues, some of them now leaving. there's nothing bad about the democrats holding investigations into the white house, if anything it keeps the executive on their toes. i get the sense the president's not ready for what's coming. >> wow, well, katie, what do you see? look into your capacity to predict the future >> my capacity to predict the future is limited, but i will say that one thing to watch is how republicans respond to the president's ability or lack thereof to get results for them. one thing we were talking about during the break was republicans have been very quiet on trump. they have not criticized him, and that's because he's delivered for them again and again in 2018. he gave them conservative judges, brett kavanaugh, a huge tax cut. but what does he have on deck for 2019? the democrats, they're going to make it hard for him to get wins. if he cannot continue to give republicans what they want, you actually might see some of his

support in congress start to wobble >> infrastructure, yeah. >> we saw the poll where 70% of republicans are standing with the president despite the fact that some of his inner circle has come out and implicated him in things that are crimes, if, in fact, that is how it's charged. is that the reason we're not hearing republicans really come out strongly and question or even condemn this president as katie referred to, that they're seeing that republican base is still there with them and they don't want to go up against that base in their own primary, some of them facing them in two years? >> 70% is actually low compared to where it was. i think there are a lot of republicans who are still licking their wounds in trying to assess the damage. you had the upcoming head of the republican congressional

committee say republicans don't have a problem in the suburbs, when, in fact, they do. they're going to have to figure out a way to get around the president because right now he's not going anywhere. for all intents and purposes right now, he'll be on the ballot in 2020, so what do republicans do to mitigate going forward down-ballot races, including governs and state legislators? they don't want to reduce their executives they control >> will wave government shutdown on friday? >> we very well may. although the president said he would take blame for it, maybe we should wait until january. >> will we have a shutdown? he did this big dramatic showdown that kind of back fired with nancy pelosi >> kind of back fired. >> i was trying to be kind. >> too kind. it was an absolute pr disaster for him. earl thought it was going to be

the "apprentice." >> thank god they weren't contestants, they were leaders of the house and senate. >> exactly. like eric just said, though, we saw him blink a little bit this week when he basically said maybe we shouldn't have a shutdown, maybe his daughter explained to him what that would mean to him. but the idea of shutting down the government over the wall, which he said mexicans were going to pay for it, mexican government is going to pay for it, it's not going to be a winner. the vast majority of americans don't would not that wall and don't want to spend the money for it. if he goes for the wall and shutting down the government, we know that the christmas holiday motivates these legislators more than anything else. i don't think it will happen, but what we know about president trump, he's not good. his word is not good. >> we do know the mexicans will not pay for the wall. >> no. >> katie, let me ask you. what should we expect, if anything, from the new attorney general nominee? >> i think the new attorney

general if he can be confirmed, and i actually do think he can. the republicans have a big majority in the senate and he is a really traditional republican attorney general. i know that progressives have a lot of problems with him, but certainly of all of the folks in the cabinet right now who are potentials, he's upstanding now. we can expect he will continue republican policies around race conscious, you know, affirmative action policies. >> like the harvard case. >> i don't think we're going to see things really change course from what jeff sessions did. he might not be as upset about things like marijuana use, but certainly this tough on crime policy will stay. now, what we won't see is what i think we're worried about with matt whitaker, the acting attorney general, the idea that the justice department will start actively colluding with the white house.

i do think that we should expect him to do that >> of all the long list of potential democratic candidates, what do you think would be the one that would be the most problematic for the republicans at this point? i know it's early, but it's not as early as many think. what do you see of the candidates that would give the republicans the most problems if trump is, in fact, the nominee for the republicans to run for re-election? >> honestly, probably the one who may not be able to to get a shot, and that's joe biden. i long said he connects with blue-collar voters and wisconsin, pennsylvania and michigan in ways donald trump does, in a way that could offset the 60,000 votes hillary clinton lost in those three states. the president is already in a deficit in wisconsin and

pennsylvania, and biden connects with blue-collar voters. frankly, he doesn't scare a lot of republicans. everyone kind of likes him. >> what would be the two or three that you think at this point would have the potential to rattle? >> i'll give you one. >> give me one candidate? >> one that i think -- >> i'm not going to run, pete, but go ahead. >> i was going to say you. now i'm out. kamala harris, senator harris. she was amazing during the questioning of brett kavanaugh, and i think it's time for a woman, i think, more than anything else to unemployment another white guy, eric might be right in terms of what some republicans and older white democrats like, men. but i think kamala harris -- beto o'rourke is the real deal. i don't think joe biden or elizabeth warren runs or cory booker runs. senator harris is going to run. >> so you think it's kamala

harris? >> i do. i hope. >> you don't think cory booker runs. katie? what do you think? i know that's not exactly justice department talk, but you're a citizen and you vote and you have concerns >> i think that it would be great to see a woman who's qualified and fantastic run. i will just say that. i think for the democrats, the most important thing is did they learn their lesson from 2016, which is whoever is the nominee, you just vote for. i don't care if it is a man, a woman, i don't care about their race. if democrats want to win, they have to get behind the candidate that wins the nomination, which is something they were enable to do in 2016. you can't have another one of those. >> we can't have the perfect be the enemy of the good. >> i thought i was the one around the table that believed in faith. you talk about the democrats, that's a lot. thank you, eric. >> so you're not running? >> i'm out. i'm not running. thank you, pete. thank you, katie. up next, he was the first to

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attention, attention, we have the first 2020 poll, former vice president joe biden is topping the long list of potential 2020 democratic candidates for president. according to the first polling of potential iowa caucus voters, he is trailed by senator bernie sanders and representative beto o'rourke. although none of these contenders have officially said they're running for president. joining me now is a democratic candidate who has. back in july of 2017, congressman john delaney of maryland became the first democrat to announce he's running for president in 2020. congressman, welcome. >> thanks for having me, reverend. >> why are you running in 2020, and what is your plan to achieve winning the nomination? >> so i'm running because i

think one of the central issues facing this country is how do we take this terribly divided nation where american has been pitted against american and start bringing us back together again so that we can get things done that really matter to the american people. that, i think, it's most important issue facing this country. what we've seen the terribly divisive politics that have torn us apart, and they prevented us from doing the kind of things we need to make a difference in the lives of our citizens. i'm running for president to be the person who can bring us back together and can get us on a different track so we can start working together, getting things done, so the american people can once again believe that the future can be better, because i don't think they felt that way for a long time. >> now, you've made, i think, 20 trips to iowa already. >> that's right. >> yet you came back at 1% in this poll. how are you going to get your message out? >> one of the reasons i got in

early, reverend, is i think i'm the right person for the job, i have the right vision for the country. not a lot of people know who i am, and that's why i've gotten in early. my name i.d. is growing in national name id. but it's growing in iowa. i'm starting to introduce myself to voters. i've spent the last year traveling around the state talking to voters. i've been to all 99 counties, done a couple events in the state. very high name id. now the race really starts. it's hard to get people to commit to you at this point until they know who's running. i understand that. now that the race is starting i'm in a good position. we feel great about where our campaign is. >> to run and win a nomination you're going to have to run against people who do have name recognition. if a joe biden is in the race or kamala harris is in the race or cory booker, or beto o'rourke is in the race, what will you bring

to the table that will distinguish you from these candidates, but at the same time not be divisive in terms of not bringing the democrats together and the country together as you state is your goal? >> well, you kind of answered the question to some extent right there, reverend. i think what i'm running on is really what the american people are looking for and it's really what i believe the democratic party should stand for. what the american people are looking for is a political party and a leader to step forward. and as i said, bring us back together, restore a notion of kind of respect and decency to this wonderful profession of public service. and actually start getting things done. for decades we've seen so many elected officials put their political careers and their party ahead of our country. and issue after issue where there's been opportunities to find common ground and actually make some progress we haven't done it. and as you know, reverend,

because you've spent so much of your life fighting for people who have been left behind, so many americans are struggling right now and they don't care about a lot of these labels in politics and how we categorize ourselves or classify ourselves. they want us to get things done that really matter to them, to their kids, put more money in their pocket, help them with their job, help their kids get a better education with health care, lower pharmaceutical prices. improve their neighborhoods. that's the kind of stuff people care about. if we're going to get some of that done we have to find common ground, we have to focus on some of the things we agree with each other on and we have to start making some progress. but we're not going to be able to do that unless we restore this notion of common purpose that i personally think has been the beating heart of this nation forever. we've lost our way. and that's what i think is different. >> you've already won one nomination and an election. you're a member of congress. >> yes, i am. >> will you vote for impeachment of president trump if it comes to the floor of the house? >> well, it's come to the floor

of the house already last congress and i didn't vote for it because i thought it was premature. i think impeachment is effectively a political process. there's no clear definition of impeachment. what the president's done in violation of the emoluments clause, why i'm one of the members of the congress that's sued him on that. but i think until we finish this mueller investigation -- >> would you vote for impeachment based on that? >> if we were able to get the information and prove all these facts that a lot of us suspect, i absolutely think what he's -- you know, he could be in violation of the emoluments clause and that could be or is, in my judgment, an impeachable offense. we've got to get to the bottom of all this stuff. the next congress is going to figure this stuff out. i grew up in a blue collar family, youngest ceo in the history of the new york stock exchange.

i've had the opportunity to serve my country. my whole life has taught me you've got to actually focus on getting things done and finding common ground. and impeachment is the same thing, what it means, it's a super majority of this country, what you need in the senate to conviction, which is 67%, believe a president shouldn't be in office then a congress has a way of getting him out of office. you should only start that process when you feel like that's where the country is. at this moment in time, even though i have grave concerns with a lot of things he's done i think we need to get more of the facts so that we actually do our job and go to the american people and say we've done the investigations and we can now decide what we're going to do. >> all right. so i'm going to keep you in the no column until you see more. thank you, congressman delaney. >> thank you, reverend. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. ♪

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senator minority leader mitch mcconnell said there will be a vote by the end of the year, and it's supposed to start discussions in the senate tomorrow. i stood just a few hours ago with new york senator kirsten gillibrand, another potential presidential candidate. and she said the next step ought to be ending cash bail on a federal level. when you think of the thousands of people that have been held in custody, in jail for no other

reason than they could not afford bail pending their trial. one single mother at the press conference today said she had to come up with a thousand dollars to get out because she had the child that he takes care of alone at home. it took her rent money and took utilities money, caused an eviction, on a crime she did not commit. when you look at the fact that according to reports about half of the people that are held because they couldn't make bail are black and latino. it is a glaring civil rights issue. as we make a first step act which clearly many of us say is only a first step. there should be a lot more added. the next step should definitely deal with cash bails as senator gi gillibrand and others joined us today, or we joined them.

people should not have to have a certain income to get a certain outcome to their dealing with the criminal justice system. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next saturday at 5:00 p.m. eastern. and to keep the conversation going, like i said -- this sunday all the president's investigations, michael cohen sentenced to prison and implicating president trump in the illegal tabloid hush money payoffs. >> he directed me to make the payments. he directed me to become involved in these matters. >> i don't think, and i have to go check, i don't think they even paid any money to that tabloid. >> this as new investigations emerge involving donations to mr. trump's inaugural committee and to the trump organization. we have a new