who might that be? that could be the president. "hardball" starts now. you sold your country out. let's play "hardball." good evening. the man president trump chose to be his national security advisor sold his country out adding that he was disgusted by his crime. those were just some of the explosive comments made inside a washington courtroom today where michael flynn was expected to receive a lenient sentence for lying to the fbi.

instead at the judge's suggestion flynn agreed to postpone his sentencing to cooperate with investigators for at least another three months. the surprise development comes despite mueller's recommendation that flynn serve no prison time on account of his, quote, substantial assistance to prosecutors yet throughout today's hearing the district judge made clear he was not feeling as generous. he said, quote, arguably you sold your country out. i'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense. he added that, quote, i cannot assure you that if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration. specifically judge sullivan objected to flynn's question to question the fbi's conduct in their initial inventory. in a filing last week flynn's lawyers complained that they did not provide general flynn with a warning of the penalties of making a false statement before, during or after the interview. echoing that sentiment, white

house press secretary sarah sanders went further today claiming that before the hearing flynn was ambushed by the fbi. >> are you arguing that he was entrapped? >> look, we're arguing that he was certainly ambushed. certainly i think one thing is definitely clear is we think the fbi went outside the bounds and the scope of the way that they should operate in the way that they conducted interviewing michael flynn. >> however, judge sullivan gave flynn every chance to press his case against the fbi in court today asking, quote, do you wish to challenge the circumstances under which you were interviewed by the fbi? backing down, flynn said, no, your honor. sullivan's harsh judgment of flynn was a blow to president trump who wished flynn well before the hearing. quote, this is trump, good luck today in court to general michael flynn. will be interesting to see what he has to say despite tremendous pressure being put on him about russian collusion in our great and obviously highly successful political campaign.

there was no collusion. i'm joined now by peter baker, chief white house correspondent. a former federal prosecutor, eli stockle and glen kirchner. the judge, it was like a character out of "the bond fire of the vanities." the judge asking me, don't ask me to send you today. >> masters of the universe. >> right. >> here's what we saw. i was in the courtroom. i've appeared in front of judge sullivan as a federal prosecutor. we saw the fiercely independent judiciary standing up and showing its force because judge sullivan, listen, he is known as somebody who hates government wrongdoing. what form does that take? when we're in there trying cases in front of him, if we're not doing it fast enough, well enough, to his liking he's yelling at us. today general flynn represented government wrongdoing and that's why judge sullivan came down on him and said, you want to go to

sentencing today? i cannot promise you you're not going to jail. you want to cooperate some more, come back in three months and try again. you know what he said, i'm still not promising you you're not going to jail. >> what do judges think of flippers, guys who rat out their boss. >> judges know they are an integral part. >> they don't have to like him? >> no. we cannot infiltrate criminal organizations. when they make a stearnsing recommendation the prosecutors know the value of the assistance the cooperator rendered. this is a little bit of a departure. the defense said 0 to 6 months. the judge said not so fast. >> this may be a question for a swami, why would president trump be wishing him good luck today? what does he get out of a guy who has already spilled his

beans on everything trump did assumedly? what do you think is going on here? >> i think he's hoping against all hope he can keep him quiet. i think it also invaded the courtroom. flynn comes out of his car. he's smiling. he's chatting with his lawyers. he's getting these little kisses from the president on twitter. not taking the thing seriously. he comes in there and judge sullivan has a come to jesus meeting. stand up. answer the question, speak up! and he obliterates the defense of you knew what you were doing was wrong. he obliterates the i want to withdraw my plea. sullivan was not fooling around and trump's little twitter comments did not help him. >> eli, give me a background on this guy. here's a judge -- general flynn, who's sort of an amateur. he goes over to russia, gets his picture taken with putin. jill steinman is there of course

and then he lies -- he never admits, never signs up. he's getting paid. he lies about the meetings with the russian ambassador. he does everything wrong and he gets caught and trump is rooting for him. explain. >> today the judge made sure to put him on the spot and say, did you know what you were doing when you talked to the fbi? he said, yes, i knew what i was doing. i knew that i was lying. he was probably lying because he knew that those other behaviors were not right. they were against the law. there were transgressions of various sorts. that explains his lying and setting the record straight today. why is the white house so invested in portraying michael flynn as a victim here? as some sort of malfeasance by the fbi? they're all in. >> what's this ambush thing? >> saying everybody is being victimized by the over zealous prosecutors. i dmoent why he has more empathy

than he does, say, for michael cohen. >> he doesn't. what is this all about ambushing? you have to tell the guy if you lie, it's a crime. do you have to ask like a british bobby? do you have to do that snnchts not under the law and the equities of the system. were you ambushed? no. defense team, ambushed? no. the judge said mr. flynn was not a.m. bushed. his plea stands and therefore says he was ambushed. that was so detached from the reality of what went on in the courtroom. >> you know who taught her what to say. she's not freelancing out there. >> she's -- >> despite flynn's cooperation with the special counsel, he did cooperate. president trump has continued to praise him while attacking michael cohen as the rat on this. here's what sarah sanders asked

why so mean to michael cohen and so nice to michael flynn? >> you met with them 19 times. is there any particular reason why the president said he is a rat. >> we know michael cohen to be a liar on a number of fronts. i don't see any reason to go beyond that comment at this point. >> peter paint the painting. the story of trump. this guy is sort of a saintly figure as the president treats him. what's it all about? they're both witnesses against him. they're both state's witnesses? >> we know what michael cohen has told prosecutors about michael trump. he said it in open court. the president had directed him to carry out an illegal scheme

to pay hutch money to women to keep them quiet before the election. we don't know what michael flynn told the prosecutors. we don't know what michael flynn had to do with the 19 people you might want to change that michael flynn will be there. we don't have any reason to conclude that somebody would come to that. it depends whether one is seen as hostile, one is not. >> eli, what about the possibility that the president has a liking for men with uniform. >> flynn was the only high ranking person to join on with his campaign. >> so he has some gratitude? >> you're laughing.

go ahead. >> sessions was one of the first ones to endorse him and look what that got sessions. cohen has told everybody trump did this and this and this but flynn didn't. >> does the judge want more out of flynn? >> yes, he does want more out of flynn and he's gotten his attention. there's a saying grab them by the cajones and their hearts and mind will follow. remember this also. that is that this whole thing started with flynn. it all started when trump tried to protect flynn. he is afraid of flynn. he went to comey and said can't you -- can't you somehow not go

after my friend flynn? he called the dni. he called pompeo. it's all about flynn. flynn knows something that he is protecting the president on and the president hopes he hasn't given it up and the rest of us hope he has. >> i want to get back to peter on this. what would the what be? he's talking to him about all of the strategic plans they have. if there was a big grand scheme, grand deal involving putin, he would know all about it. he would know why he was talking to kisylak. he would know all the picture, he would know it. is that what they're trying to get from this guy, what trump was up to overall? >> yeah. he was not just his national security advisor, he was basically his national security advisor on the campaign there. he was there through the entire 2016 push of the campaign when robert mueller was very

interested in knowing what was taking place about any meetings that might or might not have taken place. in those early days there was discussion in that white house about whether or not to pull back on some of the sanctions that had been applied to russia. obviously general flynn can provide robert mueller a better picture what that was about and whether there was any kind of connection to anything else that was going on. >> could it be possible that there was collusion by this president, donald trump during the campaign, and flynn didn't know about it? first peter. i'll hit everybody with that question. is it imaginable that his national security guy wouldn't know what he was up to with putin? >> well, it's hard to say. you would think not. he wouldn't sit down 19 times just to say the same thing over and over again. we just don't know what it is. >> i'm asking a logic question.

how can the president run a campaign based on colluding with the russians, getting the dirt on hillary, without the national security advisor not knowing about it. in other words, if it's there, he should have it. if it's there, wouldn't flynn know it? >> you might presume he would know about it. the trump campaign was not an ordinary campaign run by a tabled organization and a chain of command that you might normally see. one thing might happen, another part might not know. we can't go too far in making a sense. he was in a position to know presumably because he's spent 19 sessions with robert mueller's prosecutors. >> he may have the crown jewels. trump's allies had expressed hope that judge sullivan would take an aggressive stance

against judge sullivan. this is how janine peiro. >> a jurist unafraid of the swamp, a judge with a track record of calling out prosecutorial misconduct, a man who does not tolerate injustice or abuse of power. >> good set up. she went on to speculate that what would happen to judge sullivan throughout flynn's guilty plea. >> the amazing part of it is if he does, then the house of cards of robert mueller falls. >> glen, what do you make that? she's a good prosecutor but she got him wrong. >> not sure she could have been any more wrong. judge sullivan was upset but he was upset about mike flynn selling out. tonight is judge sullivan. he said, i don't care what the parties say. you need to sit yourself in jail

for a minute. >> they continue the mexican-american judge, the judge are going to do robots what they're appointed to do, right? >> yeah. >> they can't imagine a real judge. i like the spanish down in florida. thank you, cynthia, with your spanish word. coming up, president trump is facing multiple investigations. could he, as i have suggested last night, protect his family by resigning and asking for leniency for the kids. after trying to sway the elections russia's disinformation teams set their sites, can you believe this, on robert mueller. we found this out late last night. why were they so determined to protect trump against mueller. mitch mcconnell is trying to persuade the president not shutting down on christmas eve. will he listen to them even?

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welcome back to "hardball." the president and his family received another legal blow today with president trump agreeing, he did, to dissolve his personal charity, the trump foundation as part of an investigation into the charity's finances. the movement is part of a lawsuit brought by new york state against the president and his three eldest children. in a statement new york attorney general barbara underwood wrote, quote, our petition detailed a shocking pattern of illegality involving the trump foundation. with six trump entities under investigation, it's increasingly clear his children aren't

immune. walter de llinger, one avenue writing one possible resolution would be to offer a plea bargain in which the commander in chief agreed to resign the presidency in exchange for utmost leniency. he goes on to add the end of spiro ago knew's vice presidency is instructive and provides a good example why we should be able to indict a president. mr. dellinger, prosecutorial discretion amazes me. i watch it all the time. i've seen it with congress people in a quiet way without anything agree to end their political careers to avoid prosecution and incarceration. what's her chance that we'll see this with trump? something to protect himself more immediately and the next couple of months if not right

away next year, perhaps indictment of ivanka and indictment of donald jr. your thought? >> chris and ruth, i think that it is one way that a presidency can end and end swiftly, the way spiro ago knew's vice presidency is there. we only have 25 more months of the first term of trump's presidency. if he were not re-elected, you know, air force one would then turn into a pumpkin and he would be like any other citizen facing the bar of justice so that he would then have to consider what his options were and if, any major talent and was facing becoming a private citizen he or she would have to think about through their lawyers whether to approach the government and say, look, we'll hand over the -- our

guy is a criminal but we'll hand over the nuclear codes if you'll promise to let him and his family go free and if you will get all of the state prosecutors agree. >> ruth, you're a lawyer as well, an attorney. it goes to the larger question of we're looking up a rock in a hard place in the next couple of months. if the children get indicted, i find it impossible to imagine him to get re-elected with children in jail. that's the amazing pull to his people. they've got to come up. >> you're piling hypotheticals without it, that's hard. >> the notion of some trump children being indied is definitely potential, but then you have the question would this president really sacrifice himself, sacrifice his office even for his children? we haven't exactly seen a lot of

history of donald trump being so loyal even to his family. >> he's touchy about his kids. >> he is. but his loyalty is towards himself. the other question is, can you really protect the children? someone hypothetically wrote -- >> that's where we are. >> he's mentioning state attorneys general coming together to promise some degree of immunity. that's difficult to achieve. >> let's go the other way, walter. you've thought about it. you are the expert. how can you stop the next attorney general of new york ready to go out there. she said so about the southern district of new york. who's going to stop those prosecutors. not everybody is controlled by mr. mueller. trump has to deal with somebody along the line to get him free. >> the southern district of new

york reports to the deputy attorney general and the attorney general but the state prosecutors do not. there's nothing the federal government can do. that's really up to a jury. if they adopted him a bit earlier. i think we need to be conscious where we put a president's or political owe penance. proceed with great caution before we go to the indictment. even the former president. when spero ago knew was facing indictment for taking kickbacks as governor of maryland, he was guilty of basically a street crime, basically a bribery. he went to see the speaker of the house.

he said, please, put me in the judiciary. tip o'neill, my old boss, walked in and said, no deal. on behalf of the democratic cycle, we're just getting it. ago knew thought he was protected by this impeachment process. it really depended who the speaker was at some time. he might have been able to -- i just got a sense right now with the wildness of what's going on politically, prosecutors have a lot of discretion. i've seen it with congress people, how do they get it done. >> nothing in the papers. water. get stuff done. >> yeah. we have to ask ourselves, why was mike flynn willing to take the risk of lying?

what was in the involvement? there's also more of it or less of it, this is the greatest crime. americans were working with russians, too. >> buenos aires, he found himself. he was protecting something that didn't exist. i'm not willing to buy here. thank you, fox news. on fox news,le legal analyst andrew napolitano. his alleged role. a lot of people think this. he's already indicted. let's watch this. >> there's ample evidence. this doesn't require too much analysis to indict the president. the doj has three reports.

all three address the problem and all three you indict in secret, keep it sealed and you can't let it be in the way. >> he may be an already indicted co-con spiritor because we don't know what's been voted. >> highly unlikely. walter knows more about the department of justice legal opinions that i do, but the controlling wiggling departy says you can't invite a southern muller and i think judge mccall live thought it was cool. >> ruth marcus, thank you for explaining the thursday prospect.

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we learned russia never stopped meddling in our story. they used facebook, twitter, other social media platforms to increase our road support. these mentions were an attempt to shape audience perception. these overlap with the operation. perhaps most alarming is the timing. these operations continue after so once they were ratted out, they were still doing it. the russian reporter said it targeted former fbi director james comey. talk about john seifert. what do you make of this relengthless pursuit on behalf

of protecting trump by the russians? >> frankly, if relengthless search has been very consistent -- relent ledley trying to sell chaos. i think 2016 was unusual for a variety of reasons. it goes western civilized and it will make it easier to stoke. >> i've put politics where it was always about fear, envy -- envy and fear. you're either afraid somebody's coming for you so you have what they've got and you want it the other way. we want it to try to destroy america's relationship without nato. without america nato is nothing. it's all about credibility. putin has been consistently

trying to break it apart. one of the reasons for support is mr. trump. he's the chaos candidate. >> they didn't want him. they didn't want frenemies. hurt our country and our allies. >> absolutely. i think they did hate hillary clinton. she was tuch on them and worked past those issues. >> but trump is the chaos candidaca candida candidate. he takes hold. what about the god awful face. >> putin is a career service. they still celebrate it to this day so the russian state is almost like a large involvement and some virgin.

are they playoffs? sometimes they cleared out. >> yeah, i saw his snazzy i.d. card. it was going to work for us? let's be positive. how do we break out of this capture by the russians. >> the first thing we need to do is realize we're far more powerful to them. russia doesn't have a chance to stand up to us. the weakness is, we need a president pushing back. but if -- >> what's your take on trump? he's not stupid so why is he going along with this? why would you let yourselves in terms of supporting somebody like putin. there might be business instances. i think working with the

russians some version may be true. >> thank you so much. john seifert. up next, mitch mcconnell found the lights. that's why short of the names, you're watching hardball.

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mar-a-lago for a 16 day vacation. that sets up the prospect of a jarring photo op the president playing a round of golf out there protected by secret service agents who aren't getting their pay up to date. they would be among the roughly 800,000 workers furloughed. they rejected a bill that would provide $1.6 billion with an additional trump reform. >> a $1 billion slush fund is not what is right, what the american people want and it couldn't get votes in either house to pass. >> now i'm in consultation with the white house about the way to go forward and say about that, hopefully a little bit later

about what the president is willing to sign. >> i don't think so. white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders. congress not the president will solve this problem. >> we want you to see how they can pass. they have yet to take a vote. once they do that we're disappointed in the process and thir ability to put something forward. whuks they put something there you'll make some decisions. >> i'm joined by washington bauer row chief. thank you all. i used to think that you had eight, then you have ten, you solved it with a nine. that's the great thing about math, you find it with a number boll. >> this is about a president ran

on a wall because withson laps. the democratic congress which is very yuch set with the anti-immigrant nature to this president, neither wanted to give. >> the wall wasn't going -- >> why did they never build a piece of incredible. 11 this is soon through betsy. they're standing up to president trump. he won't get funding for his wall and it's commented by his spons sibility. >> democrats work on a hill two blocks from here.

"trump's down in marijuana. is that an advantage? >> i don't know. it will create, as you said in the beginning, sort of a video situation in which it will look like he is insensitive. the democrats are in a situation where this is a symbol to them too, right? he made the wall a ten yent of their campaign. the truth of the matter is sarah huckabee sanders said we night to eval u because because of enurged that is --

>> what good is building 1.6 of a building? why waste even a dollar on a wall that's not going to be completed. >> as you were saying before, it's a largely symbolic arrangement. it's almost god like or you don't. i think one of the problem here and i was looking back at the trump book:art of the deal. you're supposed to make these gr grandiose table, 11:13 functioning. there's nowhere to go. this is the government. this is the country. i r you can't just go and leave. he can kratz the deal. you canned take it and go home.

the lincoln memorial, do you think it's not going to have lights on it? zoo lights, do you remember? clinton the end of the world. it has less of a sense of urgency. >> who cares about the gov shutdown. >> they do get paid but they don't necessarily gate a great deal of country starting this and putting out the back paychecks. >> yes, but do you not want -- >> you're making the case. >> it's not every government shut down. there are hundreds of thouvgs ever piece. we have it tough.

the stock market is on track for the worst december since the great depression. how is that for a standard? when it was doing well he took credit. here he goes. >> the stock market which to me is jobs. the stock market hit an all time high again. think of it. >> the stock market is at an all time high. >> the stock markets yesterday hit the highest they've ever been in the history of our country. >> the stock market is at an all time high. think of that. do you like this jesus thinks he does? with all of the ap. he has nervously watched the

ticker. >> it is 500. it's terrible. >> we give the president's credit for a good economy and the previous one. he is going to suffer. particularly people will credit and he will -- we've been pretty careful about not taking. >> they'll still say the economy is the best it's ever been. he will publicly say that and tweet that. there is a group of supporters that he has will believe it. part of what he does is create its own reality anyway. country club and voted for

donald trump despite everything because of tax cuts and because they thought as a businessman he would goose the economy. he's done that with the big tax cut. he basically used all of his chips. he can't do another tax cut. the interest rates will skyrocket if he does. hello. we've got some ideas and he'll try to blame the became gang. >> we have a poll coming up later this week. if the economy goes south, there's no trurk as many. the next factor which would be the business academy. >> it doesn't make any economic

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prisoners, you talked earlier about the foundation, the trump foundation being shut down. that was the trump lawyers trying to go into a fetal position before the next attorney general of new york comes in, laity sha james who is going to investigate for criminal liability, not just the civil liability that had been looked at so far. bob mueller is tough to deal with. wait until he gets a load of letisha james. >> what do you think, she's going after this guy before she even gets in the job? >> i think the office was already set up to do that and she is walking right into it and she's going to keep on doing it. >> it's a powerful position, this new york city attorney general. >> how many votes did trump get in new york? not too many. . thank you to my panel. when we return, let me finish tonight where "saturday night live" began this saturday. you're watching "hardball."

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let me finish tonight where "saturday night live" left off saturday night. it imagine that donald trump isn't president, that we're free to have a government and country of our own. it's good to think of that once in a while if only to get ourselves set for when that day arrives, don't you think? let's go. a secure obamacare with ready options for improvement, a

strengthened relationship with democratic allies. an absolute commitment led by the united states to protect the planet from climatic disruption. east to west with strong arteries to the country's heartland cities, cleveland, cincinnati, st. louis, kansas city, omaha and lincoln, an end to the geographic polarization of east and left coast. a jobs program of massive building that replaces the smell of decay with the smell of construction. a comprehensive immigration program that brings citizenship to over 10 million residents and an effective border policy americans can be proud of. an end to one party obstruction in the u.s. congress, a new mandate that all popular proposals at least come to a vote. a restoration of supreme court nominations based on life achievement rather than life expectancy. a republican party return to its values of fiscal responsibility

and personal decency, a democratic party, strongly fastened so its roots as the party of the working people whose leaders speak loudly and unashamedly for the needs of the people they represent. you can no doubt add to h list yourselves. the key for the country and the resistance to trump is to have that list because we may need it sooner than we think. and that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." a funny thing happened on the way to the plea agreement. >> amn right. >> as michael flynn's sentencing gets dramatic. >> sullivan telling flynn you sold your country out. >> what we learned about what flynn did, the former cia director john brennan. >> what about the inquiry as to whether he committed treason. >> bad news for the president. >> the president has