welcome back to "up." we begin with hour with a look at how president trump turned a traditional conflict zone visit with u.s. troops this week into a blunder-filled international escapade. so much so, in fact, that the end of his visit on the 706th day of his presidency, some iraqi lawmakers demanded u.s. forces leave the country. to start off with, the hush-hush christmas night journey was uncovered by an amateur photographer and plane enthusiast in england who recognized air force one flying

overhead and in posted the pictures online. then he had had a speech that looked more like a political rally. >> you've received a pay raise, unless you don't want it. we had plenty of people that came up and said we could make it smaller. we could make it 3%. we could make it 2%. we could make it 4%. i said, no, make it 10%. it's been a long time. it's been more than ten years. >> for the record, military members are due to receive a 2.6% increase in 2019, the biggest since 2010. then what appears to be a breach of operational security, the president sweeted out a picture of himself and the first lady posing with members of what looks like u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s at al assad air base, a unit whose whereabouts are normally a

closely guarded secret as well as their identities. with me this hour, glenn kirshner, liz plank, and kevin barron, the executive editor of "defense one." kec kevin, let's start with you. 706 days into his presidency, finds his way into a military zone. how successful was it? >>. >> i was a pentagon reporter. the troops love these visits when they get to see especially the president. so the way they talk about it is a little different than what they'll talk about when they get back home. this was about the least controversial safest, quickest way to visit troops overseas, to

get to al assad air base, which is western iraq, which is far from the capital to not visit baghdad, not go to any other country in the region, not meet with the head of state or anybody else from the iraqi government, not even have them come to the base and say we support you are all breaches of protocol and past practice. so after we found out he was on the way, a lot of this was in the news for a while. it's a bit of a double southward or whatever you want to call it, it's good that he finally went, but boy, did he step in it in so many ways like you saw, including making it political and troops showing up with their maga hats in germany. there's a lot of ways to break it down there. >> the idea of breaking protocol feels like a normal day in the trump presidency, in the trump white house. is this normal, actually? it's what they do now. it's what he does every day.

>> and remember when the biggest threat to foreign policy was obama's mom jeans? >> those jeans were really high. >> yeah. >> and now look at what we're dealing with which is this breach of protocol, of national security rules and regulations and also, you know, this comes at the heels of him being very cozy with dictators, instead of being confrontational with dictators, he's confrontational with canada and democratically elected leaders. this is all part of this pattern which is just another day the in the trump administration. >> so i actually have a question about the hats. they brought the hats themselves, the service members. they brought them themselves. so in your mind, is it okay that he signed the hats given that the service members, the troops, brought them for him. because you touched on it, i'm curious. >> so, yeah.

notice, by the way, we're not talking about syrian policy. we're not talking about turkey and -- >> because apparently we don't have any. >> we're happy to talk about that, as well. >> it's an important point. there's extreme protocols for this point. the troops are selected, the back drop is orchestrated. in a professional, normal presidency, all of this stuff is incredibly orchestrated. usually troops would be told, you can't bring your maga hats to the rally. people absolutely bring things for the president to sign. there is nothing wrong with the president signing things. but the maga hat, you've seen plenty of veterans online saying no commander should have let that happen. >> my psychic powers tells me glenn has something to say here. >> i was stationed up in alaska and i can remember general

schwarzkopf coming up and talk with us. we were excited, we were enthralled. we were inspired. it was apolitical. and we all left that speech feeling good about what we were doing. when i watched the president give what is a glorified campaign rally filled with inaccuracies and outright lies, i can we deserve better. then you see him tweeting out from the white house on christmas day, aim here all alone, poor me, and we look back at the reporting, senator john mccain virtually every christmas as a senator went out to be with troops in the field. talk about night and day. the troops deserve better. >> so i will say as someone who attends a lot of the president's rallies, it can get a lot more political than that.

to that point, he had been talking about border security. that was related to their service. but he did move into border security by talking about the terrorists could come in over -- you know, that's why we need a wall. but i'm just saying i think that the reaction back in washington was a little bit of shock that he brought up democrats and started slamming them in the speech to the troops that was supposed to be over christmas. . >> first first speech to troops, he went down to tampa, central command, jsox down there and he gave his first talk to the troops. in that talk, this was right after he went to the cia and he stood before the wall and stars and got political there. and i wrote a piece saying this is a dangerous precedent. you don't do this. what should the troops think when you're watching your commandser in chief saying don't trust the media, not just democrats. you know those reporters, he made some reference like they're not even reporting correctly on the terrorism wars because they

don't want to do that for you guys. it's a dangerous precedent when the president is saying, don't trust the media. they're all the enemy of the people. but the four-star commanders of those command, the chain of command for those regions make it a point to take reporters with them into dangerous war zones. i've gone with them. lots of my colleagues have gone into syria, into raqqah to say this is what we're doing. this is why it's important. they put their lives on the line by bringing them with us, trusting us with operational security. we go with them and find lots of paperwork. it's a real partnership. >> and one quick point on this, he also said, though, that he didn't you trust his generals. you want to talk about foreign policy? let's move into foreign policy here for a second. he said his generals kept telling him that he should stay in syria longer and they asked for six months and it ended up being a year and a half. and he said he didn't listen to those generals because he believed that he knew better

than they did and he said no, we're leaving and that's why he pulled the troops out. and i think that is a salient point and it goes back to miss belief that i alone can fix it. if his defense secretary says i don't agree with you on syria, he says, okay, you can leave. get out. >> and that world view -- so there is a combination that i'm starting to hear here about morale and about something that's supposed to make people who are serving far away from home on a brig holiday feel better about the country and the undermining of somebody's norms and protocols. when you put those together, glenn, he also said we're not the suckers of the world any more. and he actually talked down the united states in front of our service members who are literally over there putting their lives on the line on behalf of that flag, the institution and its country. what is the impact of talking

down about america to the people defending america? >> on the one hand, the soldiers probably tune it out. they know what their mission is and they're going to perform regardless of what this president says. but the one thing i don't think we've expressly tackled, he tweeted out military operational decisions to pull out of syria without consulting his own leaders in the defense industry. how reckless is that. and how far are we now from a time when he tweets out offensive military maneuverers without checking? >> and this is a guy who didn't want to broadcast things like the invasion of mosul which was an operational decision to, you know, help that city flee or get out of the way -- >> no one can accuse the president of consistency, that's for sure. >> or withdraw dates. >> i think this is a moment of change in the president's foreign policy where we've had two years of him somewhat listening to generals bhe wanted out of afghanistan and instead we got the south asian policy where it was, no, we need to

stay and have a regional plan, work through local partners, help train, keep poreses there because that's where the threat is, that's where they train, that's where they're planning and plotting attacks on the american homeland. that is what was happening. that's also what the president said ept he wanted. in pulling out of syria, he should we should have other countries fighting for themselves. that's what was happening in syria. that's why the u.s. only has 2,000 troops there. not 150,000 like in the hite of iraq. >> john kelly is leaving. all of the generals are leaving and another thing in his speech that i thought was very, very interesting and as he was talking about we're going to get out of syria and turk canky says they're going to come in and they're going to eliminate isis. after that, saudi arabia is going to come in and rebuild.

my initial thought was so turkey and saudi arabia are going to come in there and they're going to play nice? >> we're going to have to wrap up for now. >> watch the city of imagimanbi. they're the ones who have -- they have to either give it up to the turks, which is a u.s. ally, or give it to assad and they're choosing assad. >> and that says a lot right there. thank you so much. coming up, we're talking shutdown and we're doing it with congressman hakim jeffries. that's next. congressman hakim jeffries that's next. i hear you, sister. stress can affect our minds. i call this dish, "stress." stress can also affect our bodies. so, i'm partnering with cigna to remind you that your emotional and physical health are more connected than you think. go in for your annual check-up. and be open with your doctor about anything you feel. physically, and emotionally.

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many of those workers have said to me and communicated wsh stay out until you get the funding for the wall. these federal workers want the wall. welcome back to "up." that was the president saying federal employees are fine with the shutdown because they want the border wall. but the truth is many federal employees just want their paychecks. more and more employees are tweeting their concerns about not being able to play their bills. deena told the "new york times" we're sort of being held hostage in the middle and we have families and obligations. don't know if i'm going to be able to make the rent. joining us is congressman and

the next chair of the democratic caucus, what kehakim jeffreys. you're also my rep so i have some questions to talk to you about off air about the neighborhood. >> i look forward to it. >> to start, you're not at work right now. 25% of the government isn't at work right now. we have this satal stalemate. >> house democrats continue to stand prepared to reopen the government. we've put forward at least three different offers to extend funding into the new year either in february or perhaps through the next fiscal year. so that we can get these federal workers back to work. they don't have to worry this holiday season about how they're going to pay the rest, pay child care, pay medical expenses. this is a very unfortunate moment that we find ourselves in. this is a presidential temper tand rum as it relates to a

border wall that is a fifth century solution to a 21st century problem. it's ridiculous that he wants us to spend $5 million on a medieval border wall that every expert says will not make our country safe. and so at the end of the day, politics is about the management of public money. we can manage it efficiently or we can waste it. the president wants us to waste it. we're prepared to negotiate for an efficient border security plan that does the right thing by the american people. >> my mother was a federal employee. i can remember furlough moments and nerves about government shutdowns and reopenings. is there any additional assurance or alleviation of that financial pain that this new congress would be able to offer with or without a formal deal with the president or does it require him to act, as well? >> well, the incoming democratic majority leader, steny hoyer, has made clear that one of our first orders of business is

going to be to make sure that every federal worker who is either furloughed or who is working without pay is going to receive their backpay. but that still doesn't resolve the short-term issue that we have. but that's something democrats are committed to making sure that happens. >> 40 new democratic members, the most diverse in history. and a lot of different opinions and positions in this democratic tent. what is top of the list for this new democratic congress to push its priority? >> we're going the reopen the government. >> so basic stuff. >> basic stuff. but once we get that done, we're focused on our for the people agenda which we have been communicating with the american people about for the last several months. we're committed to lowering health care costs, to reducing the high costs of prescription drugs, making sure we protect people with pre-existing conditions from the attacks that

have taken place by my colleagues on the other side of the i'll. we want a real infrastructure plan. and we have to clean up corruption, defense the dreamers, fix the voting rights act in the era of voter suppression once and for all. a. >> and is there a world with the president is a partner in any of these things? many of your constituents want both things. you spoke of corruption. they want some accountability to be placed on this administration with a republican-led congress was willing to walk away. >> there absolutely will be accountable from the standpoint of us in the house being a separate and coequal branch of government. we have a responsibility to serve as checks and balance on the out of control contract. we're going to be there to

extent the part of partnership to the other side of the aisle. we just got that done. we can do it on other issues. >> i have something to share with you. it's from politico. it's about you. sheer what they said. what obama had, he has that. i don't think they're talking about the dad jeans. jeffries' stock rises as pelosi's successor. the newly elected democratic caucus chairman could one day be first avenue can american speakers if he can get past hurdles in his own party. there's a lot of talk about 2020, which wing of the democratic party, but there's another 2020 position that would open up which is speaker of the house. are you interested in that job. do you want to make some announcements here with these pastries? >> i'm focused on the job that we have right now to do as democrats and it's an honor to be -- have elected as the next house of the democratic caucus. nancy pelosi has a phenomenal track record of success. i look forward to serving with

her. >> we have a government shutdown we're dealing with still. yesterday, incoming acting chief of staff nick mulvaney said the white house could come off the $5 billion demand and they would be willing to take something over the $1.3 billion or $1.6 billion that has been offered. do you have any idea what number they would be willing to take at in point? >> well, that's not clear right now. what is clear is that this is the third trump shutdown of 2018. they've gotten themselves into a difficult situation and they're looking for us as democrats to get out of it. but we are not going to allow the american people to be held hostage to a $5 billion or somewhere south of that ransom note in order to build a ridiculous border wall that will not make anyone safe. >> so on there's been talk that it could be around $2 million or

$3 billion. since you can give them $1.3 billion, why not give them $2 billion and reopen the government? we have a broken immigration system. we need to strengthen it. we're willing to provide increased funding for things like enhanced fencing, technology, drones, satellites, things that the experts have said will make the border safe. we also have to make the border more humane and democrats want to proceed in a fashion that does both. >> thank you so much, representative jeffries. also, as a suggestion, maybe we want to talk to mexico. they were the ones who were supposed to pay in the first place. you might know somebody down there. i'll be in touch with you about those neighborhood issues i talked about it earlier. >> looking forward to it. >> hakim jeffries talking about the shutdown and more. coming up, the revealing piece of evidence robert mueller has on his hands. ands

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welcome back to "up." house republicans have published the findings of their investigation into the fbi and its handling of the russia probe. in a letter sent to acting attorney general matthew

whitacre and if congressman, tray gowdy said been quote, whatever product is produced by the special counsel must be trusted by americans and urged by a second special counsel. rudy giuliani is calling for a probe into robert mueller. >> they've investigated that exhaustively, both the koirnt intelligence probe that preceded it, that which was i think completely illegitimate and possibly illegal. the inflations and unethical activity and to some extent behavior that almost approaches illegal was -- did happen. and it happened on the part of the investigators. >> how about destroying the 19,000 text of struckel page right in the middle of their texting each other we hate trump, we're going to get trump. we're going to prevent him from being president. we're going to have an insurance policy if he becomes president. that should be investigated fully. do you want another special

counsel? get one for that. >> francesco, glenn, liz and kevin are back with me. glenn, can you make sense of rudy giuliani for me? >> no. no, i can't. people have heard this before, but in the criminal practice, we have a saying. when you have the law on your facts, pound on the law -- yeah -- i'm sorry, when you have the law on your sides, pound on the law. when you have the facts on your side, pound on the facts. when you have neither, just pound on the table. what we see is a whole lot of table pounding. when they can't overcome the facts that are against them, they attack law enforcement, this this ae tack the prosecutors. i've had it happen to me many times over the years. that is a sign of weakness by giuliani and company. not a sign of strength. >> is he wrong to not want to

know what happened to the 19,000 messages? >> he's not wrong, but i don't think that's is what the focus of the neamerican people's concerns are right now. we can go back and get other wrong doers, assuming they did wrong, but ride now we have to focus on who is running the country, who may be undermining the free and fair elections, who may have tried to suppress damaging information from porn stars and playboy playmates in order to undermine free and fair elections. that has to be what we focus on now. >> jewgiuliani has gone back ane said over my dead body a few times about president trump having an in-person interview with mueller and then he says they're still open and negotiating. he has an absolute position of over my dead body. maybe i might not dead, but then a very open position of we're

still open, everything is on the table. what does that signal in terms of the strength and weakness of their position? >> i will jump in. you were mentioning the inconsistencies and he said there was never a letter of intent that was signed for the trau trump tower in moscow and it comes out that there was a letter of intent to sign and then he comes back and says i don't recall saying there was never a letter of intent to sign which he did and it was the president of the united states then the head of the trump organization who even signed that. and so i've heard from sources that the problem with rudy giuliani is that he's often you acting as the spokesperson rather than an attorney when it comes to these matters and that could be very damaging for the president, these inconsistencies that ruledy giuliani is making

on television regardless of what the president did or didn't do. ruledy giuliani is getting involved in the situation. >> high anticipation. but you talked about him being a spokesperson. and you see this with matthew whitacre. you see this with rudy giuliani. they perform for president trump on cable news outlets, on right wing cable news outlets. so giuliani maybe isn't being a lawyer. is this how he talks to the president? >> you have to wonder, you hear him speak and every time it seems like he's very confused and you almost feel bad. you almost want it to end. in a way, giuliani speaks, he talked about the stormy daniels case, we have information showing that donald trump is

basically an unindicted coconspirator. of course we're focused on mueller. we want to know what is going to be coming out of this investigation. we already have an impeachable offense coming out every week, but also out of the district of new york. so you do have to wonder why there's so much focus on mueller when we already have so much evidence already. >> glenn, i can see you out of the corner of my eye. you have that doughnut. good job. can you tell us where we might be standing on impeachment? >> i actually am hopeful that bob mueller will take a long, hard look at indicting the president. over and above impeachment. and here is why. if we let presidential candidates commit crimes to skew the election in their favor, they then get elected, can we not hold them responsible in a court of law? and doesn't that encourage more candidates to bend the rules or

outright break them in order to get elected, knowing i can then hold up the presidential shield against prosecution. so once the democrats take power in the house on january 3rd, i suspect we're going to hear about articles of impeachment pretty quickly. but even over and above that, i hope mueller applies for an exception to the department of justice policy that says you can't indict a sitting president. that's only a policy memo. it doesn't have the effect of law. as i said recently, we have the supreme court precedent. guess what? societal norms change. we progress and we say, we don't have to follow that any more and that's the same with the memo. >> and the idea of not sticking is norm eggs and proolicies is

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welcome back to "up." the trump administration is responding to the death of another child in the custody of u.s. immigration. homeland security secretary keers tin nielsen is visiting

the border in arizona today. yesterday she met with government workers in el paso and her trip follows the death of phillipe gonzalez who crossed the border in el paso with his dad. he became the second migrant child to die in u.s. custody in under a month. this adds another dimension to the president's battle for border wall funding. let's talk about this with everything going on politically as well as humanistically or not at our border. liz, what can you share with us about the meaning of this, about this little boy's life, about the circumstances that may have led to his passing. >> right. this is a really tragic story. what we know is that he spent six days in some kind of detention, which violates the flores settlement and agency policy. you're only supposed to have children be in detention for up to 72 hours. so this is far beyond what is

allowed or legal, basically. and he was shuffled between four different detention centers and, obviously, as we know, died. although it's not clear if he died of the flu or what exactly happened. that's still being investigated. there needs to be a thorough investigation. and we need to -- you know, to the point of the congressman earlier, this problem is not going to be solved by laws. this problem is going to be solved by investing those resources, those billions of dollars into more humane establishments and centers because the biggest difference in the immigration crisis we've seen unfold over the last 20 years is 20 years ago, it was mostly single men that were crossing the border illegally. and now what we're seeing is that it's primarily families. it's gone from 10% to 60%. so we have children and we need to treat this crisis very differently when we have so many children. >> one question that i would

like to see asked more and hopefully answered, we talk about the families when they arrive, when they cross, in holding and mexico. we rarely talk about where they've come from. and what pressures are happening in guatemala to lead a family with a 7-year-old or an 8-year-old to walk 2,000 miles. it's not a luxury vacation. what's going on down there that they're running, walking so hard from? >> this is a question i think of all the time. i'm in the business of securing, covering it and the idea we're not talking about children dieing in custody. there was always an excuse for the wall. immigration out of control or crime but then it becomes about the children dieing in custody or the caravan at the wall or isis hiding in the caravan or something like that. i'm a father. how bad is your life that you're willing to take your kids out of your bed, out of your home, and

walk them through the desert to try to make it across the border. i think it's an indictment of american policy policy that does relate to security. not enough is being sdon to try and improve the security of the countries where these folks are coming from. even a guy like john kelly, a real enemy to the liberals right now as he leaves the administration, but when he was the south com commander, i talked about this with him. when you're in charge of everything, troops south of mexico, he says, look, the problem is that we don't do enough to help the economies and the living situations in those countries to prevent the desire to come, anyway. especially when it comes to the drug trade and security issues. >> is examine what we're seeing is that the president has threatened to custody ate aid. so if you want to fix immigration as a problem, the worst way to do that is to cut aid to the countries and not solve those underlying issues. >> so the policy of the previous

administration, previous administrations, had been to give those countries aid, that went specifically to programs that helped to improve their lives there so that they wouldn't want to come all the way to the united states. so when the president says that he wants to slash central american aid and cut it out entirely, it would be those programs that are primarily affected which is why you kind of see this one. to pull even within the current state department where they are pledging money to mexico, to those central american countries to work on those things. >> it's pennies on the dollars, though. i don't blame republicans or democrats for this. i blame them both. i blame the country. historically we would say the entire state department is 1% of the military budget. so it's less than penny on the dollar for all of aid to the world, not just central american countries. and even back in the day, i've had this frequently, when president trump was in the white house and bob gates, the republican wab was at the

pentagon and the democrats have both houses of congress, where was the big increase in the state department in foreign aid in these kinds of programs? people thought, oh, well, republicans want this and democrats want this. but -- >> i think you're right, when there's unified power, they did not use that power to try to -- >> there's no constituency to try and increase triple fold what would be needed to increase the beacon of hope and whether it was a government managed contract program to flood these zones with aid and resources and education because there's a lot of -- there's a lot of fear that it may not work, it's wasteful. >> there's a ploy to be considered from the white house perspective, which they might not be actually interested in solving the problem. does he need this as a campaign -- >> of course he does. so -- >> it's possible. >> yeah. one thing i want to say, though, in the obama administration,

when they had the influx of migrants, the flood that was coming across the boarders, they did respond to that by increasing aids to the central american countries. however, as it comes to the white house's position, what struck me about the current situation and the migrant children dieing is that this white house has distanced themselves from this story. when you say it's the trump administration is going down, it's kiersten nielsen who is going down there to the border and the president said he plans to go down to that area himself next month to see his border wall being built. >> but i think it's part of a strategy, too. if they sent kiersten nelson, who is leading the white house down there, then she becomes the face of this, not the president and not the white house. >> plausibility. before we say good buy to 2018, i have my take on the biggest stories of the year and the ones we'll still be talking

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trusted supreme court. my panel is here to help me look back on all that and more. this is the last saturday of 2018. these are the last saturday pastries of 2018. >> i forgot about the zourt. >> and you forgot about the supreme court. that is what a year it has been. what do you remember from 2018. >> well, two things. the last couple of weeks, it was national security. i'm the guy on vacation. i was like the guy in "clerks." i wasn't supposed to be there. i was at the airport picking up my parents when i heard mattis resigned. i said, oh, man. >> what did you do with your parents. >> they were understanding babysitters. maybe i said it before. everything is about to change with foreign policy with president trump, where he was able to listen to the generals. that seems like it's all been gone. we're pulling out of syria, afghanistan. i'm curious to know what's going

to happen with the rest of the places fighting counterterrorism and for me, the parkland shooting, i have family down there, cousins at that school, i grew up down the street where where the pulse club shooting was. i was saupposed to be on this show. gun security is an issue as well. i'm curious how americans and communities are trying to exist more safely with guns. that's my take. >> liz, what is your take? >> i'm on the me too, women's rights. 2017 was a big year. but 2018, men came on board. one of the least reported and my favorite -- i know we're not supposed to talk about data, but i have to bring it up. >> please.

we love data. >> men who were supportive of the me too movement were more likely to vote for donald trump in the midterms and i think that's an interesting highlight coming out of the kavanaugh hearings. there were a lot of men upset about that too. i'm hopeful we're going to hear more of those voices. >> what have you got? >> i'm sorry to say i'm going to look back in sorrow because as we see the president engaged conspiracy in plain sight, obstruction in plain sight, we see our elected and appointed officials not standing up and taking their oath seriously. general mattis has just done that. he stood up and said no more. more elected officials, more appointed officials should do that. i always thought there was a

base line of patriotism at which people would not sink below. i think we're going to see a resilient american people in 2019, a re-emergence of the rule of law and i hope a renaissance of ethics in government. >> renaissance of ektdices. i think we found a new book title. fran chess cesc francesca. >> he's wiped out his cabinet. he's moving toward the cabinet that he wants now to have. at the same time you see voices like paul ryan who had no problem saying w inwhen he disan

somebody. bach co bob corker is gone. it's shifting rapidly. who emerges as a leading voice on that will be something to watch in 2019 as well. >> i'm curious if we'll see senator mitt romney show up in a difference way. i've watched that documentary about that a few years ago. there's a person in there that has something going on. >> clearly he has thoughts on it. >> or senator graham. lindsey graham was the right hand. he's the guy they all go to. he's not charged with the senate armed services committee. >> that's an interesting fact. >> he's going give trump what he

wants. >> i will add that climate has been a big story. the national climate assessment, poland. there have been youth movements around that. i've been very impressed with it. in a world where we're looking for grown-ups in the room, we seem to be finding them in the is voss of children, and they're stepping up to the occasion. >> allies in the military. >> exactly. because they know what's up. >> one last thick. democrats will control the house, republicans will control the senate. gridlock, can this president get anything done in his final two years. >> open question, which we'll answer shortly. finally in 2018 i want to talk about the name malcolm. it sounds a little word, but we have to go there. we know some malcolms that we love. then there's actor malcolm-jamal warner, the last huxtable hero.

and frankie, i watched the show. but we have to give a nod to msnbc's own malcolm. mr. nance. i want to welcome to the world malcolm guerra. congratulations, david gura. just ahead. warren radford goes behind to see if there's any wiggle room. 2019 is almost here, but it's 2020 that's all the buzz. we'll tell you why in just a moment morgan, wacanda forever. r

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that's it for me today. you can find me on twitter. thanks for watching. msnb live begins with morgan. wacanda forever. >> forever, man. so good to see you. i'm morgan radford at nbc headquarters live in new york, and i'm so happy to be with you this morning. a.m. joy will return next week. the government shutdown enters the second week, this as the president issues a new threat. shutting down the border is costs a million dollars a day? is the president serious about doing that? also, the secretary of homeland sec