francis rivera. it is 9:00 out west. here is what's happening. new reaction from the sundays showing to the shutdown stalemate, who will brink first? >> i don't like some of the democrats using these as political pawns. >> you had two young innocent children die in american custody. >> nothing will get out of the senate without walls slash border funding. >> i think it's everybody's fault. this is unacceptable. >> john kelly opening up about immigration and what it was like, hear from the reporter who worked with him. the trump administration facing the prospect of facing the new year with a partial government shutdown. blaming democrats for not negotiating an end to the

stalemate. >> the president tweeted yesterday he wants to make a deal with border security. >> they haven't gotten a phone call from the president in 19 days. >> they know where he is. they know where he has been the entire time. >> bulaming democrats for the death of two migrant children at the u.s./mexico border. >> at the end of the day you had two young innocent children die in american custody that should never occur. >> the president has made to public appearances in the last 48 hours. they say he will remain in the white house to ring in the new year with his family. a leading republican joyce weighing in on whether president trump might blink. joining us now is kelly.

>> this is a time when we have the president alone in the white house. his family is in florida and he has been using twitter the try to fire out some of his messages about the shutdown situation ch. he will be having lunch with lindsay gram. he told our colleagues at cnn on their morning program he want today have this lunch to talk about the president's decision to pull out of syria hoping he would reconsider. he was also asked about the budget impasse and the immigration issues at the heart of the fight over border funding. gram is someone that has been down that road many times. several years ago when i was covering it the senate did pass its own attempt and gram was a big part of that. it didn't go any where. it has been one of the most devicive issues for several years. sheer gram talking about where

he thinks things go and what has to happen. >> president trump is not going to walk away from this fight without border security funding, money for the wall for lack of a bet are way of saying it. democrats have a better way to work with me and other to bring legal status to others that have very uncertain lives. i'm asking people to sit down and rearrange the deal that was offered before. >> so what we are seeing today is different players in this dra p drama are offering ideas. we have lawmakers saying stop the blame game. you have them blaming democrats and arguing for his border funding and in his comments there you heard him say wall or for lack of a better term. one path forward may be how they define border security, can

democrats get behind funding if it includes things to other sorts of technologies and barriers. those may be some of the things we'll see playing out over the next several days. we have been in this protracted period of no negotiations happening including the 800,000 federal workers, many of whom are home, not getting paid and workers that are on the job and not getting paid. >> we'll see if anything comes out of that lunch. thank you. want to go now to mike. mike, some clear battle lines being drawn today. what are you hearing? >> opening the door to a trade. it was earlier in the year when democrats came to the table and were willing to give as much as 25 billion in exchange for a daca program and legalizing that

program that began under president obama. a very interesting opening there. it is questionable whether the president would actually go for that. other than that we are sort of back and forth to those talking points, the finger pointing, everybody looking towards thursday when democrats take over the house. among the sunday show guests were the majority and then the democratic governor of virginia. >> would you like to see him pick up the phone at this moment? >> well, he had that sit-down meeting at the white house where they were they didn't want to do anything. there is an offer ton table in the form of an actual bill. we passed it out of the house. >> democrats should not give an

inch. donald trump owns it. he said he wanted to own it. january 3rd the first day they ought to take up the bill the senate passed day one pass it and send it to the senate. >> okay. so he has a point there. the senate unanimously passed a bill that did not have the president's 5 billion the house could pass that and send it onto the sflat. the democrats talking about the wall president trump wants. it's mim moral. it makes it more difficult to reach any type of compromise. if they give any money they become comply sit. >> thank you so much for that. i want to bring in now abiga abigail and aaron and blake

let's take a listen. >> he said he is ready to receive a counter offer. it has been many days since the house passed border security. the steel slats the president has tweeted about and talked about. >> we are certainly prepared to provide additional funding, drones, satellites, sensor, cell phone towers and things the experts indicated would improve our border security.

we want to enhance the ability of our officials to conduct themselves in a humane fash sio. >> what's the hold up based on what we are hearing from them? >> the fact that we are talking about $5 billion in funding is relative when you're talking about funding the government. it is a philosophical question about whether that money should be use today build a border wall. i think it is sbretsing the democrats are facing right here. we have seen them become timid as far as talking about things like impeachment, was yusing hi as a campaign issue. he is urging his democratic colleagues not to counter offer, basically let it draw out and let the president own the shutdown going forward.

we'll see if they are willing to do that and not even throw a counter offer back at president trump. if they don't it will be a signal i think they are much more willing to play hardball now that they have control of the house of represent ifrs. >> is this about politics more than anything else? >> i think it has become a symbolic issue for both sides. as you saw democrats are making this a moral hill to die on. one of the things i watched the last few days is beto put out this video exposing the wall. i think you'll see a lot of these 2020 contenders make a stand on the wall and try to outdo one another. the video got millions of views.

>> one thing we are hearing over and over again is what is entailed and what is the president looking for, what does he want? you heard senator gram suggesting there is a real opportunity when it comes to a deal involving dreamers. why wouldn't there be a response from that ? >> i think it is still very unclear as to what he would sign and what he wants. when you look at the democrats right now, particularly nancy pelosi, on january 3rd he will wake up to democrats having the house. they will have more leverage to push push on some of these issues that donald trump hasn't delivered on such as daca and other immigration reforms.

democrats are hoping to send that message and that's what they will be doing. >> your headline reads with trump weakened democrats prepare for d-day. what are their plans there? >> i think when you look at the ways in which democrats are preparing they will sort of pick up the mantle in terms of ov oversight with this president. you have multiple committees to investigate his family and business and administration, some of these more controversial issues we have seen. i think one of the things is that democrats are ready for it. they are preparing to fight donald trump on a myriad of issues. for him fighting it on the wall might sort of be his last stand before his reality is turned upside down.

>> it is outside a border wall, the shutdown. he gave his first interview since announcing his departure. you wrote that kelly painted a dim portrait of the president. what stood out to you? >> i think this interview is a more subtle version of that. he talked about how kelly said that his greatest success, the thing he should be measured by is about what the president didn't do while he was in the white house rather than what he did do. he talks about how the president was given lots of information about the decisions that he was making but that some times it was disregarded. it was the interview of a dheef of staff that knows that his legacy is tie today the president who doesn't necessarily agree with some of the things he has been doing and

wants to explain he wasn't always regarded as a confidential or somebody who the president would always listen to and the president basically did his own thing despite what people like john kelly were providing him with. >> especially with expectations that he would be the grown up. blake, to you we have them saying most of the reporting on the chaos at the white house. is that how you see it? >> he just confirmed what we have flown for a long time. john kelly saw his role as preventing the president from doing things he viewed as dangerous on the world stage. what he was really saying is that old song it wasn't me. i tried to my best. he has a powerful will of his

own. he was saying listen, we gave him good information. that's on him. that's not on me. >> and we talked about the 18 months despite the personality and policy clashes. he said duty all three of you. >> thank you. this slew of investigations, which ones will get the highest priority. one of top investigating democrats joins me next. democrats joins me next. has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today.

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the bottom line is they want fruf trump to lose more than they want -- but everybody is changing their position here and most americans are pretty tiredover it. >> all right. that is lindsay graham. joining me now is jerry who is on the oversight government reform committee. thank you for joining us here. >> great to be with you. >> thank you. >> there is at least one part you agree with that americans are pretty tired of all of this. what is your reaction though when he says democrats want trump to lose more than they want america to win? >> you know, i think we have to step back and remember history that's not ancient in the last

two weeks. we had a deal that would keep government operating and functioning through february 8th. it did not include funding for a wall. trump did a come mplete about f and shut down the government. we didn't shut down the government. we had an orderly funding bill that was ready to pass. all of a sudden people like lindsay gram and of course ke y kellyann conway want to come to the white house with some kind of deal on the wall. i reject that. we believe in a clean funding bill. we believe in the $1.3 billion provided for border security.

>> let's talk about that. let's remind our viewers about what she had to say. >> the president likes the 5.6 billion that was in the house package. incoming acting chief of staff have offered less than that as a compromise. we have heard nothing in return. >> so your response to that and what would be a clear insent ifr for the democrats to come forward and come up with a deal? >> i rejet thct that we are obl. we believe there are lots of other alternatives that are far more effective. it is to try to redeem a pledge which was two parts.

i want to build a wall and mebs koe will pay for it. >> when it come to -- how about those 55,000 federal employees in your district? how much of a compromise are you willing to make? >> i wouldn't have shut down the government. i don't bear some kind of responsibility. this white house does. do you forget that two weeks ago in a video that you -- your network showed he said i'll take responsibility. i want to shut down. you won't take any blame for it at all. why suddenly are you asking me what my responsibility is in terms of a shutdown? it is to provide good public policy. i never favored a shutdown. trump did. >> let's talk about senate

minority leader. the president said he would take responsibility for the shutdown. does it give license to democrats to hold out as long as necessary and say hey, it's not us that shut down the government? >> i donwe favor response gover nancgovernance. and so federal employees are his hostage. we don't believe in hostage taking. i never have. i believe in the orderly function of government. let's reopen government. if you want to talk about border security we are happy to talk about that. we are not going to have negotiations with nobody. that's another aspect of this.

can we even rely on trump? it is only to have him change his mind because they attacked him. who is it we are supposed to negotiate with? >> i want to shift now and talk about the first day of the legislative session here and what we are hoping for. we'll have that majority in the white house. i think the first order of business is to pass a clean funding bill and send it to the senate. >> a lot are terrified as doing anything that could be con trued and the senate has plenty of those people too. my hope is there is enough to

pass clean funding bill it is by the closer of nine federal agencies and a number of specialized agencies. tell us specifics, what's in those letters? what information is it that you're looking for? >> what a good question. it covers the waterfront of issues that we have been concerned about the last two years. everything from the issuance of security clearance to people at the white house to why did you add the citizenship question knowing it will effect compliance with the census.

so to answer your question one of my priorities is the census because of the timing. the census will be finalized in june. we don't think the citizenship question adds anything to the census and in fact detracts from the effectiveness and from the compliance rate. we need an accurate census for lots of things, flow of federal dollars and representations. >> all right. we appreciate your time. thank you for being with me. >> my pleasure. >> you too. giuliani talking again. this time he is challenging robert mueller. is he taunting the special council? council? gentle means everything,

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new today federal and state investigators are collecting evidence on the president's new jersey golf club and bl it violated laws.

according to the new york daily news the attorney representing five undocumented employees said he met after they receive add referral from robert mueller's office. let's listen to that. >> you're saying that the trump organization, according to your clients, at least two of them, provided these women with the false documents? >> yes. her picture for her green card was taken inside of the golf club at the laundry and the next day she was taken to a small town to pick up the documents. they were working in his house and being managed directly by a woman who has direct contact with the first lady. >> is there anything that would suggest to you that the president knew the imgags status of the people working at his golf club? >> we have no evidence that the president knew. >> all right. joining me is barbara.

great to hear from you, as always. we now have special council who referred this case to the fbi which is the sail thing he did with pliek l cohe with michael cohen. what does that tell you? >> it is interesting to hear that he would be looking at this. you know, if maybe one or two undocumented workers are employed somewhere it typically doesn't get the attention of federal prosecutors. they just don't have the resources to go after all of those cases my guess is that the part that caught his attention is the part relating to false documents. someone is producing, using or using false identification documents that is seen as a far more serious crime. those can get in the hands of people that mean us harm. we know the 9/11 terrorist use. the user trafficking became a

pretty serious crime that gets a serious look from prosecutors. it could be that's what he is looking at. i don't know what extent it mightli might link to. it is people working at the golf club. fal fal >> and the big question is if he knew at all. you heard him say that there was no evidence that the president knew about it. let's take into consideration what michael cohen said last night. let's take a listen. >> first of all nothing at the trump organization was ever done unless it was run through mr. trump. >> all right. so this investigation would look into who knew, how much they knew but what would be the legal implications for anyone who knew what was going on with this? >> knowledge is absolutely essential. in a large organization it could very well be that someone at a lower level was involved. someone at the level of president trump was.

that would be an important factor. it is a ten year felony per immigrant. >> yes. what would happen if these findings meant that, you know, that it was happening in other locations? what would it mean for trump's presidents? >> it could mean a number of things, criminal forfeitture. there are mandatory minute numb sentences affiliated with harboring of undocumented immigrants is done. there can be fines of $250,000 per violation. it could be consequential. >> the new reporting in time magazine saying that manafort

was millions of dollars in debt. he owed us a lot of money and offering ways to pay it back. what does this mean and what kind of impact would it have on the russia investigation? could it mean others knew about these meetings as well? >> yeah. one of the interesting thing about this new report is that paul manafort before the election continued to do work for a russian. for someone that is desperate for cash and owed $19 million, that creates significant leverage i think he had the motive and access and ability to do that. that is something she likely

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trumponomics. rick, good to have you here. what happened here? >> people lost confidence is part of what happened. it looks as if stocks will end the year down around 8 or 9%. it was the year lehman brothers failed. it was not necessarily a disaster. we had a market going back to 2009. so some of it came out of the stock market. we are waiting to find out is this a temporary nervous condition or is something wrong in 2019 and 2020. >> when the economy or stock

market are doing well it is because of the gop policy. which one here? which is it? >> most think the fed is doing the right thing which is getting interest rates back to something like normal levels. the problem with that is if the fed needs to cut rates during the next downturn. there is some likelihood that it will slow down the pace of interest rate hikes in 2019 which is what trurn wants it to do. maybe he will say things aren't as strong as we think they are. perhaps it is really is telling us something. he may actually get his way with the federal reserve.

>> is there any way to find that out? do they both rely on psychology here? >> i would put all of my money into the answer if i knew what it was. i think the stock market and the economy are not necessarily the same thing. there's a big divergence and the real economy which is going strong. we got through a holiday shopping season. they were comfortable spending money. retail sales were up. that's a good number. unemployment rate is still low. nobody needs to be freaking out right now. this is not like 2008. in 2008 there were a lot of things. i think what the stock market really might be telling us is we'll have slower growth in 2019 and 2020. there are worries which are raising costs for businesses and

consumers. >> do you see that the market is acclimating? >> no. i think the market is becoming more sensitive to some of the things trump is doing that are sort of harming the outlook for financial markets. when trump took office the economy was accelerating. you know, it helped drive up stocks as markets are anticipating that. it means they will be more sensitive to things they see that are alarming. this partial government shutdown it doesn't directly effect it but it makes it look like washington cannot solve problems. can washington handle it? >> so many versions to watch

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i don't like some of the democrats using these a political pawns. >> isn't that what the president just did? >> no. that is not. he does not want them coming on the journey to begin with. >> on the tragic deaths of two migrant children in border protection this month. any deaths of children or others are strictly the fault of. joining me now is republican strategist saw san and new york times washington correspondent and msnbc contribute to, charlie. susan, what is donald trump's calculation at this point specifically when he blames

democrats for childrens deaths at the border. does that help him in any way and to who? >> i think sit a reach to think he makes any type of calculations other than how he feels at the moment. he watches tv and he tweets about it. it was an inflammatory tweet meant to do exactly what is happening right now, create a spark and add fuel to the fire. of course the president is wrong but if you want to look at a bigger con vversation and what needs to be done perhaps moving more resources to the border to help people go through the process which is what every administration prior to this one has done, instead of trying to starve the process and hopefully people will get frustrated and turn away. what we are seeing is people are becoming ill and not being cared for. >> yeah. it was about this time yesterday that the president sent out that tweet. howard, can you hear?

i heard a hello there. okay. how do you interpret that charlie when it comes to the president blaming democrats for the deaths of these two children? >> what this is the president trump overtly injecting politics into this tragedy. in fairness, if that's the right word to him, i think it is about 1 inch below the surface anyway. i haven't seen any democratic leaders blaming trump for the deaths of first and now second child at the border in ten years. if you look at twitter you can see that sort of liberal america was reacting to these childrens deaths as an indictment of president trump's border policies. i imagine that what trump was doing here was trying to preemptively lay the groundwork and say well, it's dem ocrats, not me in turning around criticism of him.

for example, hillary clinton was the one colluding with the russians, i would put it in that cat dp category of things. >> you know, that's sense we have to come together. the president is fot not going to budge any colluding. and in terms of this shutdown, we have democrats saying, we don't even know what this is, and then he tweets something like this, howard. >> as i said before, i actually think the president is mentally incapacitated and i have thought so for quite some time. he says things that he knows aren't true, i suspect, and that somehow he thinks people are going to believe, and they just don't. so essentially you can't really make a bargain with somebody who is irrational, because they won't keep it, republicans have been quoted off the record as saying such a thing. i think congress and the republicans and the democrats in congress have got to do the best they can in the absence of a chief executive who is really a chief executive. and until the republicans

realize they have an obligation to the country, not just their party, that's not going to happen. >> when it comes to this and where the president stands, susan, is where does the president go? where can he move as far as getting himself out of this mess, but is this something that's going to be stuck with him? >> well, the situation at the border is going to be stuck with him. he's gone too far out there. as far as when it comes to what's going on in the government shutdown, that's a different story, but the president chooses to have this be a story that he likes to be associated with. so he owns it, like he owns the shutdown. he said it many times. >> charlie, is there a sense in the white house that the president is stuck when it comes to the shutdown, that he lost all leverage when he said he would take the blame for it, and now he can't sell it as a democratic shutdown, but yet he can't back down because of his base there, so is it a lose, lose, lose, anywhere you put it? >> i don't know if i buy that

analysis. the shutdown and the narrative that surrounds it which is about border security and the wall and his campaign promises is a good narrative for him relative to all the other ones that might be out there. if we were not having a shutdown over border security, we might be talking about the five or six other stories surrounding the maelstrom of trump which is worse for him right now. so talking about border security is the best thing for him right now. >> you have the white house and the president trying to portray all of this as stalemate nancy pelosi's fault because democrats are trying to protect her, fearing that if she angers progressives in our caucus as she faces a house speakership election here, if she cuts a deal before then, it would cost her any votes. anything to that at all? >> i just don't think it's credible.

everybody screamed nancy pelosi, nancy pelosi before the election and we picked up 40 seats. at some point this gets old. this is like all those ridiculous investigations, trey gowdy and whatever his name is from california was running the intelligence committees. this isn't going to fly. it just isn't going to fly. people are tired of it. they would actually like to get something done. pelosi has a great record of actually getting something done, and i think it's possible, but probably not with donald trump at the helm. and i'm not sure -- go ahead. >> go ahead. >> i just want to say one thing, it's possible to realize we're in day eight of the shutdown. nancy pelosi is not the speaker. the republicans are still in charge of the government. so it doesn't fall on nancy pelosi until at least january 3rd when she is elected. republicans are to blame. that's where we are right now. >> is it because of principle, susan, politics? what is it that's keeping either side from budging even in the slightest? >> republicans were ambushed by the president. they didn't see this coming.

the senate had a voice vote, they thought they were going home. the house thought they were going tie mo a similar situatio until the president exploded because of some cable tv folks not liking what he had to say on the conservative side. they were hit by just -- knocked out for it. because the president doesn't have a plan and doesn't even know what he wants -- if they wanted to come out of the stalemate, the president can propose maybe 3 or $4 billion in security or to control the wall technology and say, this is what i want. but instead he just throws out a number and says the wall. he's not doing this in a methodical, thoughtful fashion, and until he does, nancy pelosi, when she does become speaker, and chuck schumer, are just going to wait until he makes a concise offer. >> is that because of politics? who is playing it and who is holding out for principle?

>> i already outlined why i think trump actually likes the situation and would be happy for it to go on indefinitely, and democrats are certainly feeling empowered after the midterm election in which the republicans sort of fearmongering about the border and migrants moving our way did not at all impede their chances. they're not going to sell out their base or demoralize their base to caving to trump on the wall when they think it's not even a real policy that would accomplish anything, anyway, just a symbolic one. i think this is a recipe for this shutdown to continue for a long, long time. >> that's what i heard in terms of what the president wanted, something tangible, hear it, see it. howard, talk about that and is it the white house doesn't know what he wants, or they do and they're not saying? how much of that is a factor? >> as you know very well, his own staff is terrified of what's happening here.

this guy is a completely irrational person. here's the fascinating thing about this, because trump put his finger on it when the government shut down before, before he was in office. the president always gets the blame. if the stock market tanks, which it will at some point if this goes on for any length of time, trump is going to get the blame, whether it's his fault or not. that's what happens in politics. the top guy always gets the blame. he's going to have to figure out a way out of this. the longer it goes on, the more problems for donald trump. >> all right. howard, susan and charlie, as always, thanks so much. happy new year. >> happy new year. the search for answers surrounding the deaths of those two migrant children in u.s. custody. a former official with immigration and customs tells me what he thinks is most critical. ! (girl) nooooo...

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good to be with you on this sunday. it is day 9 of the partial government shutdown with no clear end to the impasse in sight. today republicans calling on democrats to negotiate. >> i do believe that the president would like to work with us. i think senator schumer, who i've worked with for years, would like to fund the government. the question is when do we stop the blame game and get to serious negotiations? >> the president asked for $1.6