house democrats could do in terms of oversight. >> i think they can do a lot. >> they can answer the question of where does this come from? >> absolutely they can. >> it is indicated in realtime there are concerns here going back and saying we're looking at what these pryor folks have testified too. there are some issues. >> thank you, michael steel, great job. and tim o'brien, that does it for us, mtp daily starts now. >> thank you for coming back to work on friday. >> i know, thank you. >> yeah, three hours instead of four on friday. >> nicole, always good to see you. if it is monday, it is about time.

good evening, welcome to "mtp daily." in a few hours this will official i will be the longest shut down in nearly 40 years and we start with the utter ridiculousness as the president readies to deliver a prime time address tomorrow before visiting the border on thursday. both signaling that the white house's current strategy is not working. the president will no doubt talk about the money for the wall that comes from the congress, but the current state of negotiations are arguably a mess because he says that he doesn't need the money or the congress. and poof, now it is not even a wall. >> i informed my folks to say that we'll build a steel barrier. it will be made out of steel.

it will be less obtrusive and stronger. under the way the law is written right now it is technically not a wall. >> do you think this is a wall? the white house's answer is yes, we do. in a letter to democrats they called it a wall. a physical barrier wall. perhaps the only thing more ridiculous than a wall that isn't a wall but really is a wall is claiming that it desperately needs to be built and it has already been built. >> the work has already been done, they say build a wall, i don't say that any more, i say finish the wall. we have done a lot of work. >> no new sections of border fencing have been built under this president. none, absolutely none, that brings us to one of the administrations core arguments for why they need the money they claim to already have.

to build a wall that is mostly built. >> we know that roughly, nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists come into our country illegally. >> i studied up on this, do you know where those 4,000 people are captured? airports. >> not always. >> the state department says there have been no terrorists they find -- >> it's by air and land. >> nbc news fact checked that too, zero immigrants have been arrested at the border on terrorism charges in recent years. according to u.s. customs and border data only six immigrants were stopped at the border in the first half of 2018. and now the president is threatening to declare a national emergency to build a wall he says is mostly built and is not technically a law so he can bypass congress to get money

that he doesn't need to stop all of the suspected terrorists that are not crossing the border. i'm not saying that border security should not be taken seriously, i'm saying the administration's argues are very hard to take seriously. they left democrats with little to no incentive, but something has to give, something has to break eventually. hundreds of thousands of federal workers are not getting paychecks. millions could see severe cuts. everything from airport security lines to national parks are being impacted. nbc's jeff bennett is at the white house. a distinguished fellow, and the editor at commentary magazine. jeff, this prime time address that the president has suddenly scheduled alongside a visit to the border, is that because as

we expect that his arguments are frankly not working? >> the shut down has entered the third week. both sides are not en scheduven scheduled for additional meetings. he will do what he thinks he does best. he will make a public sales pitch. there is a national emergency, a humanitarian crisis on the board that that is best solved by a concrete barrier that he wants to build. but the question you could ask is why now? the white house, katie, i'm not, is trying to get ahead of what happens on friday. it is the day you have 800,000 federal workers that have been affected by the shut down. they won't get their paychecks. you will have low income american that's cannot get assistan assistance. there will be court that's are closed, there is a domino affect

here. the white house in any abscess of a semilance of a deal -- >> the white house's administration seems to be willing to say anything to get money for this wall. most of it is not grounded in reality. sarah sanders is talking about repeating the number over and over again. most of them, a large number again coming from the southern border, and now it is even more e agree joust. our reporter just got numbers that say that six immigrants that matched names on the terror watch list were stopped at the southern border, that is a far cry from suspected terrorists being stopped from coming in. >> it is a reason why congressional democrats are

lacking a willingness to do a deal with the white house. they say it is bad policy and it is not emblemmatic of the values. it is really poisoning the well. and so many democrats make the. >> what will break here? >> he will leave indebtly, i don't think there is any incentive as they just said to work on this, the public stands with them with the sentiment that trump is the one that is causing this. they blame him more than democrats, it is hard to see why they would come to the table and say fine, you win, we will build a wall.

over 17,000 criminals are caught, more than 16,000 numbers, and when you narrow them down they're all far, far, far lower than what has been presented, and donald trump continues to make the dhas there is a huge danger and threat. he claims there is now a looming crisis. >> they're not winning, they being the administration, they are not winning on the issue of immigration. the 2018 midterms prove that with the blue wave that took over the house. when you look at poland, the majority of americans do not want this wall. most republicans want it,ly give you that, but the polls is not as definitive as the white house would need. and we're seeing there is senators that are uncomfortable with it. and at what point, if donald

trump is not feeling the pressure, when will mitch mcconnell feel the pressure? >> we have three republican senators that said we really need to sort of end this civilly and responsibly. i'm at a loss to understand the administration's rhetorical game here because the border wall is not about stopping terrorists from coming into the country. by the stand ard os of the people that have supported border fencing, it is to prevent illegal immigration into the united states. >> this reversion to a bizarre horror story, about 4,000 terrorists coming over the wall is a little crazy. and it is so easily dismissed that i don't really understand

anybody who is going to buy it is probably already a supporter of the wall. >> that's a good point, and if you remember the theme of this president's campaign, it was don't be afraid of them taking your jobs, because they're killing your children and rapeing your family members, that was always the play here. it was an existential threat. it is a dog whistle that is being used to further an agenda that is really actually about taking money and health care away from americans. >> it is a crisis that is completely manufactured by trumtrum donald trump. he made it into a crisis when it was no longer a crisis. the border crossings were down. the majority of people that were there did so, and they were coming in on a plane and think they just don't leave. coming over the border was not a

problem the way that donald trump sold it. tomorrow when he has this prime time address in the oval office, whose mind will he change? >> they have to have real-time fact checking. i'm very nerve us about the president being allow to address the public in realtime. he is really playing towards his base. he thinks that this is what got him into office. this is part of his ego. this is what we were sort of all scared of. this is really hurting real americans and yet -- >> what does realtime fact checking do and i ask that because duo a lot of real-time fact checking. wrap around fact checking. he is still the president of the united states, there is still some onus to take what he says live. i know there is debate about that because of how obama's immigration speech was handled. there is questions and they are

legitimate questions. but when you talk about him needing to be fact checked, who doesn't already know that a lot of this is bs? >> i wrote speeches for the president, and for ronald reagan, and the degree to which we scrubbed them to make sure that every individual factoid was not only defensible, but supported so that if the press office was ever asked a question there was documentation they could provide sentence after sentence after sentence, 14 different officers in the white house, going through these speeches, with a fine tooth koem, researchers, all of that, every word that came out of the president's mouth, this is a new reality in which they don't care whether or not what they say is or is not factually accurate.

trump can say we built a lot of fence, and then say we have a disaster emergency that means i need to override the system, and build a fence, and so i think the fact checking is perfectly fine. no one is doing it at the source. >> so we're acting as editors. and it was that -- i tell you, we may not have liked the previous presidents, and dislike them whether they were reagan or obama, but those speeches were milled for every possible irresponsible use of data and it was made sure that they were pristine and defensible. >> part of that is because those presidents were committed to not misrepresenting the reality to the american public, right? they believed it was incumbent

on them to be honest to the american public, even if they were using rhetorical arguments, they wanted to be factual. who is it that is out there. i think there are americans that have not yet internalized that he will not really say anything. . there must be something going on. there is not actually anything behind it. one other point that i think is worth pointing out is that i think it is absolutely the case that he was told throughout the entire campaign, you can't win this thing, and he won the race. he won on crime and immigration. i can keep winning as long as i keep doing this thing that wasn't supposed to work the first time. >>. >> i keep coming back to this tweet that donald trump sent out. saying all federal employees are

democrats, is that in -- >> most of them live in washington dc, they happen to be democrats that don't support him. even though the facts don't back that up, in fact we know that most federal workers, 79% of them live outside of the dc area. lots of them live in parts of the country that supported donald trump. there is lots of farmers that won't get those subsidies if the shut down stretches beyond this coming week. there is hundreds of thousands of people who are directly or indirectly affected by the shut down. partisan politics does not play into it. >> is it a possibility that the president declares a national emergency and tries to appropriate funds for his wall tomorrow. >> he could but we're not expecting him to do that

tomorrow night. tomorrow night the speech will focus on the president makes the case is that there is a national emergency of a humanitarian crisis at the border. the white house lawyers are still trying to figure out how and whether or not they could declare a national emergency. he had the discretion to declare a national emergency, not clear he could do it and use money to build the wall. >> jeff bennet, thank you very much. phil, heather, john, thank you very much. next talking to a member of the house leadership. f the house leadership every day, visionaries are creating the future. ( ♪ ) so, every day, we put our latest technology and vast expertise to work. ( ♪ ) the united states postal service makes more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, affordably and on-time. (ringing) ( ♪ )

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prime address, what would you like to hear from him? >>. >> i would like some truthful information. what i'm afraid i'm going to hear is the more of the same, which is chaos and misinformation. >> so if he comes on to declare a national emergency. >> he is saying it is within his power to declare an emergency. we want to get it on the record saying that the president is con flating these things, he wants to be clear they building an emergency is probably the worst public policy idea that he has ever heard of it, it would be horrific, what would the democrats do if he tried to

declare a national emergency tomorrow. >> the whole idea that if there is truly a national emergency, that your response would be to build a wall, that i would assume would necessitate years or possibly the fastest you could do it is in months, that is like saying a hurricane is coming and i'm going to move my house in response. this whole idea of declaring a national emergency is ludicrous because there isn't one. and we think that he will try to sell the american people on this falsehood tomorrow, then what has he been doing for the last two years when he had republican control of the house and the senate. and the white house. it is dangerous to see our secretary of homeland security

out there endorsing this, trying to stoke fear and anxiety about an emergency that doesn't exist. >> are there any plans being made or meetings bed had by democraticic leaders about what you will do to push back against the president if he decides to declare a national emergency? any lawsuits at all? >> you know, we are talking about in the house is if he does that, we will look at what we can do as a congress. we will take legal action if that is what is necessary. at the same time this week we're going to move forward with our goal. one is to end this shut down immediately. getting our federal employees back to work. making sure the small businesses across the country that depend

on their contract, that will never see their money, start having the money that is due to them to come back. just today i heard a story of a woman undergoing cancer treatment and she was trying to refinance her house in order to have some income coming into her family. she was unable to do it because she can't get the documents necessary from the federal government. these are the sort of real impacts that we're seeing in my communities and around the country. so our goal is to end this shut down and get back to work. i'm not only having a real discussion and negotiation over border security, but getting back to addressing health care. looking at infrastructure, making sure that we're doing what we're going to put a bill forward for on tuesday addressing gun violence in this country. that's what people told us in the midterm they want us working on. and this wall is a political football for the president that

he is now dragging the american people, federal workers, and our economy into. >> what is your definition of border security? >> border current, for me, is defined by making sure that we have an immigration process that makes sense, that we are using the highest technology. and that people that seek to do us harm remain outside. that we are looking at how drugs come into this country which is usually through our courts. we are using tunnelling detection, that we are providing cell service to our border ma tro -- patrol agents that very concerningly are not being paid during this shut down.

just flying to washington last week, i had a dsa agent plead with know do everything we can so that he gets paid for the hours that he is putting in. i don't think donald trump has ever had to live paycheck to paycheck. and i don't think he understands that for most american families, the reality is that those bills don't wait, and there is not a huge pile of savings that last very long. and that this is a true burden on those people for a project that is just a policy that came out of a campaign rally. >> can you say there are no sections of the board near would not benefit from having a piece of the wall or any more wall? fence? >> i think there are parts of the border that would benefit from repairing fencing and other barricades that already exist

there. that is not what the president is talking about. he is talking about a wall that would cover 2,000 miles and now he is talking about taking private land for this wall. he never talks about the fact that it simply can't be build the way he envisions it. to watch the secretary of homeland security, and other staff, and others in the administration to buy into this fantasy takes us from the realm of the ludicrous into the realm of the dangerous. >> do you think it is too early to talk about impeachment? >> let me tell you why. i think what we have to focus on are the issues that we talked about earlier, the issues that matter to american families at home. impeachment will come as the facts are showing that it is necessary. >> are you talking about the mueller investigation specifically or is there is

there anything else. >> i think we definitely need to have the mueller information, but there may be other facts that come out. >> like what? >> right now our focus needs to remain on coming up with common sense solutions that matter to american families. that is why they sent us to congress, that's what they're looking for. >> what else do you think would be impeachable offenses? >> i'm not going to dictate our members of congress. >> if you're talking about the results of the mueller investigation, or if there is behavioral issues, et cetera. >> the mueller investigation is definitely the primary source that we're looking for and waiting for, but this is a chaotic president with lots of

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and mike spent the weekend in ohio and also has covered joe biden extensively. you spent a lot of time in 2016 and 2015. you spent a lot of time in 2018 and now 2019, how does it feel today compared to the last cycle. >> it is interesting, last time you and i spoke i was standing outside of senator warren's house and one of the questions is is it too early, why is she taking the step to quickly.

after trailing her through iowa, she spoke to some 2,000 democratic voters across the state, i think the answer is that yes, voters in iowa are ready to start evaluating the candidates. i think it was interesting, no candidate in the field has had as much of a running start. no one used 2018 better than she did. each of her events she took questions from voters and reporters at most of these events, and the message discipline was perhaps frustrating to us, but she was sticking to an introductory message trying to help the voters understand more of who she was, she was not born on the harvard campus, but oklahoma. she was a public school teacher,

a voter asked her what is one of the accomplishments she was most proud of, she talked about a hearing aid bill, which was sponsored by chuck grassley. her aides were feeling confident and setting a high bar for other democrats to jump over. >> it is a little too early for a platform on her website, but what do you think? what do you think are the main parts of candidacy. >> everything she talked about. she was asked about foreign policy, she brought it back to this idea that we have a rigged system. that the i wealthy and powerful special interests need a real

fighter to help level the playing field. she kept talking about leveling the playing field being the fight of her life. as the campaign goes along, she will have a chance to delve in more deeply, she did talk about medicare for all. she did sneak broad strokes about that kind of policy being spg that she would put forward. >> she has been pretty consistent in her career, she has more consistency than a lot of folks out there. i think it is a mistake to dismiss her or as someone who is too progressive or too extreme for the american voter. >> i have the pleasure of knowing her since she was working on credit card debt and

credit card companies were drowning the american people in debt they could not pay off. i met her in 2002, she is sing e singularly focused. the question of how wall street and big banks have too much power. that is who she is. i also think that she is a very tough political talent. i was at a grocery store in massachusetts, and a woman showed me her arm, and sahe had "and never theless she persisted." but i looked for this. so catch fire, you have to catch change. i think there has been one since president obama, and they're going to have to become a

cultural figure. people that are not that into pickets are drawn to, and among the democratic field there is not anyone that has done that except for senator warn. she was killing it on colbert talking about the bankruptcy bill. >> she a dream or a nightmare for trump? >> he thinks she is a dream. the message is not about the -- if she can successfully make an appeal to the american middle class, that hardens the democratic shift, in the sp suburbs. a candidate that can voice a message that is middle class, not rich people, they are middle and upper class people and that message may resonate with them,

joe biden calls himself middle class joe. there is turf for making an argument that the middle class is getting screwed. >> joe biden saying that he thinks he might be the best person to win, what is your take on that? you're pretty plugged in. >> we heard more from him last month saying yes, i think i'm the most qualified person to be president of the united states. as i said before, they need to make sure if they're view that they beat trump, but a warning, joe biden is talking to a lot of people and a lot of those peek are coming away with different senses of where his thinking is at. his decision at the end of the month might be to not make a decision jest yet.

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saying that u.s. troops would be coming home from syria now, as in now, now. that was then and this is now. >> we are pulling back in syria, we're going to be removing our troops, i never said we're doing it that quickly. does he know when she on tape? now doesn't mean now and the president's national security advisors saying there is conditions for any troop movement in syria. carol lee is traveling with john bolton in tushlgy. >> that's right, one of the conditions that john bolten told us was necessary to happen before the u.s. would withdraw is that turkey agree not to go in after the u.s. was no longer there and attack the kurds that are a close ally in the fight against isis. that puts the draw in flux because the president er grerdo

has shown no interest. and they would draw those in the northeast, so that, again, is a change from the president's policy because he initially said that all u.s. troops would be leaving syria and if troops are left in the how's that is not necessarily a complete krau. so the times of this and the way the policy has been rolled out left the withdrawn in flux and we have seen the administration shifting, whether or not it is the time table or the conditions for ultimately removing troops from syria, that changed all over again. and he is here trying to articulate what policy will mean and what the path forward is. >> thank you, we will be right back. >> thank you, we will be right back for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials

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welcome back now. our guests are here now, i gave you guys full disclosure, i gave them the questions beforehand, i want to know who elizabeth warren wins that hillary clinton did not. >> i think the question of 2016 was the democrats who are not particularly enthusiastic about hillary clinton, this is what you're asking, right? who is the candidate to bring those people back out, the best candidate is trump. we saw a lot of democrats that were indifferent about hillary clinton. we saw numbers that suggested that she was a sure thing. i think your point is correct, but i think it will be fairly easy. knock on wood, it could be fairly easy to run against trump.

i think she has a real appeal to broad constituencies. donald tr minority voters to vote against him? do never trumpers vote for her? >> i think that who -- where democrats have advantages, like enormous polling advantages, right? they have enormous polling advantages with young people. they have enormous polling advantages with african americans. they have enormous polling advantages with women broadly defined, right? if you can get somebody the danger of an elizabeth warren or a joe biden or somebody like that is that they will seem -- she is 68. biden would be 76. >> she would be 71 when she is inaugurated. >> 71 inaugurated. biden 77 when he is inaugurated. can those people, will young people sing to them? not will they support her, because they would support her, but will they drag themselves

over glass to get to the polls on election day. >> the way that trump supporters did in 2016 and might do again in 2020. >> right. >> biden. is he the shiniest tool in the tool box right now because he hasn't officially announced and he hasn't had to go up against a number of other democrats? >> i think -- i don't think he is that shiny to base voters. i think there is a real sense right now -- >> he's the one that is the lead in all the polls. >> but i don't think that's base necessarily. i think there is an understanding among the democratic establishment, some that they want, a, again, as i think you were starting to maybe challenge, that really focused on the trump rural white men. and they think a white man who has sort of branded himself from scranton, pa -- of course he is also from scranton pa, is going to be the best sort of weapon to lure back those kind of trump voters. i don't think that is the path to victory for the democratic

candidate. and so i don't think that he's going to have the appeal, although i have a lot of respect for vice president biden, he is going to have the appeal. more latino voters and more millennial and younger voters are going to be part of the democratic base than they even were in 2016. >> one thing that biden has is that he can look the camera in the eye and say who can go toe to toe with donald trump? i've been vice president. i'm one of those people. if he comes at me with his crap, i will give it right back to him. you saw me do it with paul ryan. i took paul ryan down in that vice presidential debate. i mocked him. i teased him. >> so his argument is electability? >> i think his argument is electability. not just for those reasons, but somebody has got to take trump down. >> do you think elizabeth warren might have more of a chance, though, than many might think? when i hear her talk in iowa and she talks about corruption, she does have fire in her voice, and she does have specifics behind her, and she does have a record

of campaigning against special interests, against privilege, against fighting and for fighting for the middle class. i mean, she has that record there. >> those are issues. i'm talking now about performance and mien, right? >> it's visceral, you think? >> biden is don't you talk to me that way you rich little creep. while you were like partying and worrying about aids, i was sitting at the bedside of my -- i was taking the train home because my wife died in a car crash. that's what biden can do. >> you're saying 2020 is going to be more visceral than policy oriented? >> that's our politics now is visceral rather than policy oriented. >> i think that's generally right, but i think you're getting the wrong aspect to biden. biden's big selling is i was part of the obama administration. the reason hillary clinton lost those states wasn't necessarily because the white voters came out. it's because nonwhite voters didn't come out. and the best person to get those people out in the 2012 vote was barack obama being on the ballot.

i think joe biden's selling point is not that i'm a tough guy. >> the bottom coalition. >> i'm obama's today. i was in the obama administration. >> does that still fly in four years -- god, two years. four years. >> i don't think it's going to be enough. i think you have to get the essence of what obama was promising which was change and hope. that's what's going to do it, not the person whose name was next to him on the ticket. you need someone, who, again, is going to say i'm willing to shake up the washington establishment. i can't say it more strongly. every single race since the iraq war has been a change campaign. and we're going to have to get that. >> what's the opposite of donald trump? that's the question. what is the opposite of donald trump? i'll let you guys all think about that. philip, heather, john, thank you guys, all. not four years, a year and a half, everyone. ahead, saber rattling. with fidelity wealth management you get straightforward advice,

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like magic. at comcast, it's my job to develop, apps and tools that simplify your experience. my name is mike, i'm in product development at comcast. we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. in case you missed it, washington is still divided by the wall. the white house and congress just can't seem to agree on a barrier at the border, and all the while the government shutdown drags on. but there is an idea floating out there that's really starting to gain some traction. >> fencing along the southwest border. >> there is fencing at the border. >> fencing at the border. >> fencing at the border. >> border phelpsing. >> border fencing. >> border fencing. >> border fencing. >> border fencing.

>> fencing. >> fencing. >> fencing at the border. >> fencing at the border, by which i assume they mean this. >> en garde! >> parry, parry, cross, cross, good! ♪ >> very nice, very nice. thank you. >> if i were fencing, i would probably do that. en garde. i can see it right now. fencing as far as the eye can see. an army of swordsmen and swordswomen parrying and ripo e riposting. who would want to mess with those people? now you naysayers out there might say that fencing at the border just will not work. it is obsolete technology. it's prohibitively expensive. it's too simple a solution for our complex multifaceted problem. it's downright silly.

well, i have just one word for you. touche. that thankfully is all for tonight. we will be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "the beat" starts right now with yari in for ari. >> not only did you get that, you saw the problem at the border. >> i got to tell you, that's the best idea anyone could possibly have. >> i agree. let's go with it. i like that i was in your mash by the way. >> i heard my voice as well. the mockery goes spread far and wide. >> have a good rest of your night. >> you too. >> i'm in for ari. we're covering several developing stories. the top intelligence chair saying they're sharing information with mueller, and talking about perjury charges. also, an nbc news exclusive, exposing the trump administration's