moing go by without talking to your rheumatologist about xeljanz xr. where are me when i'm defending a democratic who is using bad words. >> i thought you were going to swear. >> i think it is the best calling card, but i know check is on the other side and there is nothing that chuck wants more than a long soliloquy about the power of positive profanity. chuck, can you hear me? where are you? >> chuck in his head is swearing at you. >> you know what? it is so hard to be mad at him because she so amusing.

i have tried and tried and i can't quit him. thank you nicole. >> that is f-ing amusing, chuck. >> if it is wednesday did a trump shut down just lead to a trump melt down? good evening, we start with big news involving two enormous crisis facing this president. the shut down and the mueller report. it feels as if this is going to just bleed together. the shut down is a crisis he has to fight now and he has no way out. as he tries to hose down that fire, we have now report might drop sooner than you think.

we're thinking next month, possibly, or early martian. march. we start with the fire raging for this president right now. it is a fire after his lackluster appearance last night that he apparently didn't even want to do. first off last night did nothing to move democrats. they spoke to reporters after wrapping up a meeting with reporters where wow the talks basically imploded. >> it is cold out here and the situation was not much warmer in the situation. he said will you agree to my wall, so he just got got up and said we have nothing to discuss and walked out. we saw a temper tantrum because he could not get his way and he walked out of the meeting. a few minutes later he sort of slammed the table and when leader pelosi said she didn't

agree with the wall, he just walked out and said we have nothing to discuss. >> republicans in that meeting say it didn't go down exactly like that, but the president did confirm that the meeting was "a total waste of time." he met today with republicans and the message that he delivered was simply this, hang together. you want more indications that things have gotten worse for the president, look at how many times he spoke publicly today. if the big speech goes well. let the speech do it's talking. instead we got this. right now if i did something that was foolish like give up on border security, the first ones that would hit me would be my senators, they would be angry.

we have tremendous republican support. i don't think the democrats have great support because they know that we need border security. >> tremendous republican support and i think we're going to win. the republican party i can say, and i just left an hour long meeting, we had a great time, actually. there was no discussion about anything other than solidarity. >> and folks, do you want a headline sure to grab the president's attention, the democratic response to his address got bigger ratings in preliminary overnights than the president's address himself. we know how much he loves to speak in ratings, that is something he will not like. a lot of action on capitol hill and in the white house. and ann, michael steele, former rnc chairman, and maria

teresa-catar. garrett, you had the big scoop of the day, at least one senator did confront the president on one side of the aisle, did she get anywhere? >> the first part, no, she is showing her willingness to break with him in the past, told several he and that people in her state are starting to feel the consequences. a lot more folks are dependent on their national parks. she said we just have to stick together on this, and one of them asked her if she went back at the president, and she said that was not the opportunity for

a lot of give and take. she did not get much cover from her colleges that came out largely with their arms locked. i talked to mitch mcconnell and they said they are standing with the president. >> i noticed that, but it is an eye. they're not enthusiastic, but they're doing it anyway, is there a time limit? is it unlimited? what do you sense in. >> i think part of it is that there is not a lot of options right now. throw in their lot with nancy pelosi, which is how it will probably be gathering kor risca.

there are republicans senators like lindsey graham who have been trying to flooth various compromises in the last few days. a bigger deal than something on daca. it doesn't seem to have a lot of momentum, it trades you one set of problems with the hard right to the other. but maybe that is a solution here. but i think right now that the rank and file are left with two unappealing options. >> a great way to put it, thank you. thank you very much. michael steel, a house republican, a sense of where the party is headed. here is what he said today. pelosi and schumer cannot onation victory. i do not think we will or we

should. so to go to garrett's point, they basically say i have to peck between pelosi and trump. >> what people overlook is that you still pang and that is what will happen here. the party leadership will be hungs by this president. there is no way off of the nice that is average their neck. they have rush limit baa and company waiting to do that. they say we have nothing to give you because we have no reason to give it to you. and not just their base, but national polling shows that the country is not in league with doing this. they spent a lot of time with some of us yesterday trying to

make their case of what they were going to do, and what was amazing to me is how the speech was a rewritten verse of a stump speech. this is trump from last night and from the 2018 campaign. >> i.c.e. made 266,000 attentrr of aliens with criminal records. they were thrown out last year or put in prison by i.c.e. >> including those charged or convicted. 30,000 sex crimes, 12,000 sex crimes, and 4,000 violent killings. >> they decided not to have new information or a plan, it was a

stump speech in a more formal setting. >> a lot of people are learning that. he looked like he didn't want to be there. it was the closest thing to a presidential hostage video that i have ever seen. >>. >> until you got to the response. >> it was way better. >> yes, we will give you 20 minutes of network time, go. >> but to your point, i think they didn't have anything new to say so they didn't say anything new. he, that brings you back to the original question of why do it? is it simply so the white house can say look, we have done everything, we have doning in that the president has never done before. when they don't get what they want. >> you think this is an

elaborate rollout. >> i think it is two pronk. i think one is definitely that and to check the mark. and he wants to show this is why we need border security. more presidential powers underneath him, possibly, but he bookended his speech with fund raising e-mails. he will start using the oval office more because in his mind the 2020 election has already started. >> i thought fill -- phil cline did it really well. he said in 2017, he just won the president think. at the time, he had significant

political capital among republicans that would have been to look at coverage over his base, and they expect nation mum resistan resistance. that is making all of us saying what are you going in that is the federal piece. you had two years. >> right, he had two years to do it and the political capital gained from doing this two years ago is not the same as what he is gaining right now. >> what is he gaping? >> the kind of tight that he likes. i think he will go down to the border and it will not surprise me if he announces and declares at that moment that it is a national emergency. let all of the court belling ring and all of the prognosticators clambor.

what will be dominating the conversation. so you stick this in your back pocket and you wait and wait and wait. >> but even the president himself says when i get lost i just say "the wall. >> and this is an opportunity to consolidate more of the systems of power. he likes to demonstrate what he likes to do. >> but he didn't go all of the way there because he didn't do the national urgency, the executive powers, they ordered the military to do this last night. it was fairly clear by yesterday morning that it was unlikely that he would do that, but the fact that he didn't suggest that they are still drawing some boxes here around what he is believing. he could do it tomorrow. >> he did what he did, and he

gave a version of events, let me play that because i am curious here. >> the president said if i open up the government quickly, would you agree to border security and a wall? the speaker of the house said no. and a i thought the president thought that there was no further reason to be talking at this meeting. we had leaders with them before they left, we hope they will come back to the table. >>. >> but chuck schumer has always believed deeply in border security. he has espoused modernizing it. >> this idea that the democrats don't want any border security in nonsense. specifically with the people that the actors that are negotiating with the president. >> but the flip side to the vice

president's point, and the question that he put to nancy pelosi, if we give you a bill with six institutions that can sans, and we negotiate it separately, will you sign the bills? it's not that we don't want to negotiate on border security and the wall, but let's open up the commerce department and itself etc. >> i wonder if he will regret walking out because he let democrats off of the government again. i think the president regrets being in the oval off with nancy pelosi and with schumer.

>> i think you can't call it a negotiation, right? they each restated their position, the contact act accouf them, the bth said he had nothing to discuss and walked out. i think mueller keeps sitting on the horizon there, and it could drag out for awhile. it is better than mueller. >> ann, michael, and maria, more on the president's apparent melt down on the border. we think it is also for mueller. we will speak with someone that ran the border. jay johnson joins me next. errd jay johnson joins me next. (clap) every day, visionaries are creating the future. ( ♪ )

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you know why it has gone down. because of good management, me? my people? it is brutal. we have more people coming up, you have caravans. it went down and we kept it down because we're managing it well but we can never do a great job unless we have a wall or a barrier. and i mean a real barrier, not a little one that doesn't work. it is only down because we do a great job and i have incredible people. >> the single most inconvenient fact. the fact that the southern border issues are not as bad as they were 10 years ago. it doesn't mean they are not bad. now joining me is someone that ran the border in a previous administration. he is jeh johnson, secretary

johnson, welcome back. >> you used to be a neighborhood, we have a nice fence between us at the bureau and the homeland security -- >> the parking lot at homeland security is empty. it is closed for business. >> all right, you have been through shut downs, you have been through fights about it, you're an observer and what do you say. >> as a concerned member of the public, what i see is an emerging security crisis. we're taking the people that we depend on. those that screen for explosives, guns, luggage, our coast guard, those on the high

seas, they are introducing into their personal lives stress, anxiety, and anger because this pay period, this week, will be missed. and i know this workforce. their families are worried about when and if they will be paid in the future. it's not the work force you want to mess around with. the anxiety they feel now will only get worse. we hear reports about tsa officers staying home, phoning it it in, and that will get worse before it gets better as long as we're telling these people that you must work but we're not going to pay you. >> let's go down to the border. in 2014 during that first influx that we had that i guess we didn't call caravans, but we knew we were getting more man

what president trump has asked for, should the democrats agree to the money but not for the wall. >> it depends on what it is for. in 2014, illegal migration on our southern border is a fractufra fraction of what it used to be. it was 12.6 million a prehaen apprehensions. the mexican economy has improved. in the last several years, through clinton, bush, obama, multiple administrations, it is a fraction of what it used to be because of the investments, the smart investments that we have made in border security and because of the improving economy in mexico. but the demographic has changed. instead of single adults from mexico it is women, children, and families coming from central america. >> it seems like the tools you

had are obsolete for things like dealing with family asylum issues. they're gaming the system a little, are they not? >> i think that is fair. migrants and the mugglers they pay understand our enforcement policies and they understand ways around our enforcement policies. very clearly. but simply building a wall for the sake of building a wall is not the answer. you ask border social security expe -- border security experts, they will tell you more surveillance, boats, planes, lights, perhaps more border patrol agents, and perhaps fence or wall in places where we need to fortify it along the southern border. we have a wall built pursuant to the secure fence act of 2006. >> this is my frustration here, the way you just described it and the way i know of -- we're not far away here.

it feels like we're in a symbolic moment. at what point, you're dealing with -- he is taking hostages. you may, at some point, do democrats have to deal with the hostage taker? >> i would not put it like that. >> i understand why they don't want to deal with him now. >> as the former secretary of homeland security, familiar with what is required on our border and familiar with all of the things on our border, and a lawyer that negotiated all kinds of complicated deals. i say to myself if we could just extract autoof this all of the emotion and the politics, two good lawyers, who are good word smiths, could fiction this in 45 minutes. there is fence, wall, concrete wall, when does something become a fence versus a wall?

and i took a little bit of comfort from what the president said last night because he used the phrase border security more than he did wall. signaling perhaps, or at least those that wrote the document for him, there might be compromise out there under the general rubric of security. >> do you worry some democrats are so caught up in trying to deny him the wall that a fence is too much like a wall. >> i worry that the people that we're depending on to protect us, that is the elephant in the room. >> there is one other thing that could take a whole other segment to go down. the central problem is in central america. what can the united states --

those guys have to deal with their issues, and this is suddenly a problem for us. what shall we do to help the neighborhood. >> there are always things that we can do to secure our own border. an fy 16 we started down the road of making investments in in central america to deal with the violence. the congress since then has been doing the same, but it is going in the wrong direction sdplp there is a lot of disinstruction for some of those leaders, right? >> clearly and there is ways to do this with strings attached, the limited money that we invested so far is maerking a bit of a difference, but the smugglers an the word in central america right now is make a run for it.

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intelligence. with me now is danny, let me start first with what we learned yesterday from this accidental redaction issue. how, when this happened, how easy is it for something like this to happen. how much can you experienced accidental unredactions like this. >> there has been a shift from paper filing to electronic filing. you create them on your computer, create a pdf, and electronically upload it. in the old days people used markers, they drew lines through what they didn't want to appear. now the redaction techniques can be tough, they may use a black

highlighter and it doesn't cover the text correctly. it is a new problem because of our new technology. >> all right, let's talk about what we learned in it. it is almost as if manafort's attorneys are admitting so certain things that mueller found. what did you take away. >> the burden of proof from the government is so easy to show that manafort breached the government, but they will try to dispute it later on. the government gets to determine whether or not he breached the agreement. for the information in there, that develops one of the theories of liability which is that paul manafort may have been selling access to the campaign

and ultimately the presidency. at best paul manafort was selling that access possibly and president trump knew nothing about it. at worst, what if paul manafort was selling that access and they had some awareness. that is one of the connections. >> i want to talk about the other nice that we heard today. we heard that rod rosenstein will be leaving soon. mueller extended his grand jury another six months. but they are supposedly going to have the report in late february or early march. why do you still need a grand jury.

>> the safest bet is that he will extend beyond february. long term investigations like this, the large etc. white collar investigation in our nation's history, is likely going to take longer than expected. the sixth months extension is one indicator of that. as they turn they give more information to investigators and create new tendralls of the investigation. michael flynn who stayed and continued his sentencing so he could continue to cooperate. and that continued cooperation may yield more information. so while it is possible it could all wrap up by the enof february, i caution folks that with the large est investigatio in our nation's history, it could last longer. >> bigger than enron? >> bigger in the sense that talking to all of these

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coop r cooperators. this is a very large investigation spanning the length of this country. paul manafort sharing polling data at the time that he was running the campaign with a russian intelligence asset. what is the most damming piece of evidence? >> the connection with russia. the next dot to connect is who in the russia -- the trump circle, knew about this and condoned it or even accepted the fruits of it. that goes a long way to showing that magic quid pro quo that will hang that hook of criminal liability under federal law. >> danny, as always, sir, i appreciate you coming on. complicated and good to have you on, thank you. >> up ahead, billionaire tom

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time now for "the lid." before i get to -- getting to mueller andman fort, i have to say that it is not often you go to iowa to announce that you're not running. you know? that is why you send a camera. >> we all thought we knew how it would go, but he wasn't around long enough to be missed, poor guy. >> i wonder if you're going to sense this. they got in early and said come on in. i wonder is she suddenly -- he have be a front runner. not the front unrunner, but the front runner. do you think there is going to

be some cold feet? >> i think there will be about ten. what congress brought in is a different type of youth. and going to be comfortable debating those spaces where a lot of folks are saying we don't want your personal money. we want you to prove yourself. >> elizabeth warren said that. we don't want self-funders. >> so does the public, the voter. >> taking hits for the -- i think she was very, very crafty in the way she rolled out her success in her touring in iowa was profoundly important. i think it laid, to your point, some real markers for everyone on the sidelines. i think there are a lot of people now that the press and some pundits are braying over. will not get into this race. i think the range is somewhere between 10 and 12 at the end of the day, and it's going to be a very tightly fought, tightly

engaged race for the democratic nomination. and we'll be surprised more about who is not in it. >> that's what i think. all right. let me get to manafort and all of that. here was james langford earlier today, republican from oklahoma. basically creating distance between manafort and trump. watch. >> well, i think he knew he had connections to the russian government but communicating with someone about polling data and what's going is no secret thing in that sense. so again, looking for that as the smoking gun, i think would be a pretty big stretch. >> in fairness to what we know now, he's right. i wonder how comfortable republicans -- you know, there's been this line. yeah, manafort is a bad guy. yeah, michael cohen may have done bad things. maybe junior was naive but it's always about trying to build a moat around the president. >> the president has done this

carefully himself saying repeatedly that anything bad that manafort may have done, oh, wait, i guess he did do some bad things, but it was all before -- i didn't even know the guy. all before he worked for me. it had nothing to do with my campaign. now we know that mueller's pursuing a meeting and series of conversations that took place during the campaign. and then you get to what were they talking about? internal campaign polling? why? >> why with a russian intelligence officer? >> well, you can imagine why the russians might want it, but why would he be willing to give it up. >> i had been going back and forth about this idea that manafort, long time dirty guy had done his whole things and maybe stumbled in and he was doing one thing and all this. but there's a pattern here. as soon as manafort came on to the campaign in spring, then you have a trump -- you have this and the trump tower. all of it happened in sort of that 100-day window for that short period of time that he was

on the campaign. >> but his associates stayed on. so there was still communications that they've been able to demonstrate within the white house, even with cohen as late as january of last year. so it is -- there is a steady -- it's increasingly difficult to say there was not some sort of conversations happening between cohen and with the russians and with manafort. you don't like to have conspiracy theories but the more you start reading even the redacted documents, talk about an unforced error on manafort's part, it really starts saying, where is the president going to go now? and his behavior now, this increasingly erratic, almost speaks to, is there something -- another shoe about to drop. >> michael, he seems to be -- here's what i don't understand. he threw cohen away. he won't throw manafort away. he's afraid of manafort. i don't know what it is. >> that's a connection that has entanglements that go out further and probably a lot

deeper than even we know right now. >> i think part of it is he could entangle his family, the kids. and i think it is that entanglement that he's trying to protect more than anything. >> and the interesting thing about moats. you can always find a way to cross them. >> shutdown versus mueller. the rest of the white house staff, what do they -- they've always tried to create this space for themselves when it comes to mueller. i think they like the shutdown fight because tarks lous them to avoid that. >> they are going to do something with governing, but in this case, not governing. it's a conversation about their jobs and their reason for being in the white house, i suppose, as to events that happened before he won and, obviously, hang over everybody like an anvil. it's not a pleasant conversation for kellyanne conway to be having on the driveway every morning, like why -- we had a

great story today about coast guard families being told to have yard sales. >> that's just -- >> and we didn't get the forest fire -- we got a lot we missed today. i've got to wrap. thank you all, we've got a mike to drop. o drop i hear it in the background and she's watching too, saying [indistinct conversation] [friend] i've never seen that before. ♪

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john, j-o-h-n. the president has fallen into the habit of calling john bolton mike. you know, mike, as in michael bolton. and something tells me this could be a bit of a thing for a guy named bolton. >> michael -- bolton? >> that's me. >> wow, is that your real name? >> yeah. >> so are you related to that singer guy? >> no, it's just a coincidence. >> oh. >> so, mr. president, i'm going to need you to go ahead and stop calling john bolton michael bolton. and if you -- so if you can go ahead and do that, that would be great. throw in a tps report if you could. we're here to help. how about visual aids. this is john bolton. and this is '90s soft rock crooner michael bolton. john bolton, michael bolton.

john bolton. michael bolton. one wonders how he's supposed to live with bureaucracy. the other wonders how he's supposed to live without you. one asks, how can we be in the u.n. if we're constantly miamied. the other asked how can we be lovers if we can't be friends. if we conflate the two of them, we all lose. just trust me on this one. all right. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "the beat with ari melber" starts. >> i love a good michael bolton reference. also, i don't know if you were looking, but i have the tps reports. >> you're the stapler guy, aren't you? >> we have a ton of staplers in the basement at 30 rock. i admit it. great movies. great music. see you soon. we begin "the beat" with the person who hired bob mueller now expected to leave the doj.