that's our show. "hardball" with chris matthews is next. >> primetime loser. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. the president has nowhere to go and nothing to say. he walked out refusing to even budge they fund his border wall, saying he has nothing more to say. rudy giuliani told roiters today that president trump is done taking questions from special counsel robert mueller and told him so. our president is acting like a

spoiled child who, when losing the game, says it's my ball and i'm going home. we'll begin with that dramatic oval office confrontation between trump and the democratic leaders of the congress. the latest round ended acramoniously after less than a quarter of an hour, less than 15 minutes. senate minority leader described the moment of collapse. >> unfortunately the president just got up and walked out. he asked speaker pelosi will you agree to my wall? she said no and he just got up and said then we have nothing to discuss and just walked out. again we saw a temper tantrum. he said it was a waste of his time. that is sad and unfortunate. >> the president did lit tooling challenge that dedescription, writing just left a meeting with chuck and nancy. a total waste of time. i asked what is going to happen in 30 days if i quickly open things up, are you going to

approve border security that includes a wall or steel barrier. nancy said no. i said bye-bye. nothing else works. as it stretch under to its 19th day, vice president mike pence disputed schumer's characterization and argus democrats weren't in good faith. >> he walked in and passed out candy. he left the room today because speaker nancy pelosi said even if he gave her what she wanted, she would never agree to the border security priorities that we have on the table and that was unacceptable. >> i think you heard him right, in fact i know you did. he was talking about the president handing out candy, we're told it was m and, ms. >> we've been having conversations with him but you cannot come to a conclusion that

the president of the united states says my way or the highway, there's nothing to negotiate, either agree with me or it's over. it wasn't even high stakes negotiation. it was a petulant president of the united states. >> president trump went to the capitol to strengthen senate republican's spines for keeping the government close. >> i think we're going to win. we need border security. very simple. whatever it takes. >> well, the collapse in talks after he made a nationally televised pitch and a smaller odd yngsz than they got in their response. and no new arguments for the wall and instead grim assertions of what he cast as a national security crisis at the border. preliminary vote ratings gave the president's speech that was

followed by pelosi and schumer. they got higher ratings than the president himself for his performance. the "new york times" reports privately he dismissed the need for speech. in an off-the-record lunch hours before his tv address, trump made clear in blunt terms he was not inclined to give a speech or go to texas this thursday but was talked into it according to two people briefed on the discussion. quote it's not going to change a dam thing but i'm still going to do it of the border visit. this is one that fact checkers are likely not to disagree with. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" and david jolly a former republican congressman who is no longer affiliated with his party, the republicans. a president of the united states shut down the government in perpetuity.

a speaker of the house saying building a wall is an immortality. it's gotten that iconic. that lack of give on either side which is bringing the government to a halt and also the president saying with regard to the russian investigation, i'm not talking to the prosecutor. no, no, no is the answer the president'sancers to all questions. >> look, it's a high stakes moment for the president and the speaker in fact. you actually summed it up. both sides have locked themselves into positions that don't easily give to any kind of compromise. if wall is immoral and it's immoral whether it's 5 billion or any amount of money. if it's vital to the security of our country, then cutting in half the money isn't really satisfyingancer to the president either. there's not an easy middle ground anymore. what that might lead us to is

the idea of the national emergency. he again said today he might opt for that. that's where he would declare to unilaterally move money away under powers previously given to the president by congress. there will be a fight of this andries raising the stakes even further. >> the expression don't throw me in the brier patch, don't make me do this. that allows the government to open up again. it allows him to meet objections or claims or screamings of rush limbaugh and gets him some money from the army to build the wall. at least until the court says no. >> i think that's right. this is maybe the way out because otherwise it's hard to see how they reopen the government without some middle ground and it may not be allowed by the courts. he's ultimately told he can't do

this. but either way he gets to tell his base look how hard i'm fighting for you. i'm doing everything possible to protect this country and if the courts were to stop him, that would be one more point to make to his supporters, look what they're trying to do to stop me. >> so often we sit around this table and say he can't fire the attorney general, he can't fire the defense secretary, he can't fire his chief of staff, he can't, he can't, he can't. who says he can't declare a national emergency and have a big court fight? >> i think he believes obviously he can declare a national emergency. here's where i've believed this is going to end. this week paychecks are suppose 250d go out to 800,000 workers. small businesses are effected. you've gone through on this show all of the things that there impacted. those things are being felt by the senators and the it representatives in those states. they will be hearing from folks when they go home over the weekend. this is not sustainable.

and so i think the president has run into a rabbit hole. congressional republicans are sitting on top of it but they all got to get off and you know what's on the table? the senate bill, $1.3 billion for border security. something that passed the u.s. senate. and so it's not right for republicans to say that democrats haven't offered anything. it's sitting there and it's waiting in the senate. >> president trump's visit came amid reports of growing cracks in gop support over this shutdown. house democrats, meanwhile, increased pressure late today to fund the treasury department and the irs, although that bill is dead on arrival in the senate. five republican senators, susan collins, north carolina -- and alaska's lisa murkowski. have all spoken out in favor of ending this shutdown. after today's lunch with senate

republicans, president trump insisted republicans remain solid and united. >> any republicans today tell you that they want you to pursue a different track? >> we talked about a couple talked about -- a couple. talked about strategy, but they're with us all the way. the republicans are totally unified. >> well, senator mccokousky said she did in fact challenge the president. >> i did suggest that there was some separation in terms of how long the shutdown would continue. the meeting with the president? um, i wish that we had a little more clear direction as to how we're going to get there. >> this is a tough one for your former party, david, because the way i set it up and peter, agree with me. you have a guy who says if you don't have a wall, you're not a republican. j lindsey graham says if he

doesn't get the wall, he's going down and if you're a democrat, you're with pelosi. equal iconically important saying it's an attack on hispanics and goodness in this country. it's a bad signal for the country. we can't do that. what do you do if you're republican? >> i think the senators have been giveern breathing room and mitch mcconnell's going to protect them. mcconnell's not going to allow a vote. they can say they wish they would have a vote. but look, i don't think donald trump gives in because he does have the most to lose. you pointed out it could be the end of his presidency if he gives in on this issue. he can't go into 2020 without his base which is why here's why i think donald trump ultimately and i think could be very soon, declared it. he can turn around and restore pay for our coast guardsman and

women. he can restore usda food processing. he can be the guy that has higher approval rating historically and say this is exactly why i came and taking hits for being an autocrat. and i'm going to be the empthetic figure that solves this and then they're just challenging the president on taking extra constitutional authority. they can't challenge him on the merits of reopening the government. >> that's so smart. the old thing about the brier patch, but it seems to me an interesting metaphor. is trump really saying when he told somebody yesterday at the white house luncheon, reporters and anchor people, that this wasn't something he wanted to do, holding a speech last night. going down to the border and all this pomp and circumstance is just pr as far as he's concerned. is he setting himself up to

declare a national emergency and go a bit tyrannical? >> it does seem like he's not bought into this idea he can bring the public along and exert enou enough pressure on congress to bend on it and doesn't seem to be 24 hours later that the speech did change anything and undercutting it by telling the anchors he didn't think it was going to be a successful strategy but we'll see what happens. it is a photo oopof course. it will heighten pressure and we'll see changes. i think we might be heading towards the declaration of a national emergency. >> you know television. i got to tell you something. this president is very good at the theatrics. you might call it the craziness of these rallies. he's interactive. he's terrible last night. he's staring in there looking at

the prompter, a little bit off i noticed. it wasn't theatrical. he got nothing out of last night and the fact that pelosi and chuck schumer were not tv people especially beat him out in the ratings must kill him. >> probably does and it the thing is the president never is good at reading what he doesn't believe and so he's reading a statement. he clearly doesn't believe it. and he couldn't do it. and so i think the break you're seeing is when you see senators west virginia, she's not usually on those lists. that's what we're going to start seeing over the next several of days. >> thank you very much. donna edwards who knows her stuff, peter jolly. coming up rudy giuliani told

reporters today president trump is over answering robe mueller' questions and they will have to be -- the findings of the trump -- of the mueller -- the mueller report which can is coming out in two months is going to be horrific but this president will not respond to questions. plus what is the crisis they're trying to push and what will happen if they the president does decide to declare a national emergency? i think he will. what he will do if trump declare as national emergency. and vice president pence is thanking rush limbaugh for bringing the country's attention to trump's top agenda issue. we're going to have the audio of that craziness coming up. let me finish with a president surrounded by wall of his own imagination. this is "hardball." this is "hardball. [heavy gui]

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welcome back to "hardball." rudy giuliani told reuters that president trump's team has issued a final rebuff, the u.s. president will not answer anymore questions in the probe. as giuliani told reuters as far as we're concerned, everything is over. that means mueller must make do with the writ answers submitted in november or subpoena. and a story breaking minutes ago a beefed-up white house legal team is gearing up to prevent president trump's confidential discussions with top advisors from being disclosed to house democrats and await the long-awaited report. the white house could try to invoke executive privilege to keep portions of mueller's report from getting to congress and the public.

meanwhile "vanity fair" reported yesterday -- so what do you make of this? they're going to go executive privilege? we're just talking during the break. that means anything to do with obstruction of justice is off the table. anything that president trump says is off the table. >> and no congress would be able to hold them accountable, basically f basically for the history books for the archives. >> so anything president nixon did to get fbi into the action wouldn't have been counted. >> he would have served four more years. >> let's talk about the couple big news. no more answers. in other words no live interviews with the president. zeer eo. >> that's not how somebody

representing an innocent man would be talking and if the president wanted to cooperate in the interest of a country, he would say it would take wild horses from coming forward to talk about mueller but with more and more evidence that his campaign chairman was seeking to work with the russians, he's not going to. >> all along we've been looking for arms reaching from moscow, lawyers, people we never heard of before all connected to putin reaching in to the trump campaign, trying to make deals, meetings in the trump tower and we have all kinds of weird people. a lot of them are weird people, coming from the trump crowd, trying to reach into the pockets of putin. do you see this latest connection, the thing about what we just heard now where he's giving him poll data from the campaign, the russians. >> they wanted to work with america's enemies and they kept offering more.

even the president standing at press conference saying russia, you will be rewarded if you further hack hillary clinton. they took meetings, also natalia, we learned she was a russian spy that president's son met with while russia was attacking us. they never said no to the russians because they welcomed their help. >> what would the it russians want to know about our poll data that the campaigns hold? what would they want that for? >> i believe to weaponize that information. so as they do their social media attacks on twitter and facebook and youtube, they would know where it the better targets are. >> so they would go after the african-american vote and say we can turn them off to hillary? >> anything else they can read in the "new york times." why would they need internal polling information? i saw cucanlutiollusion from th beginning when they were so

eager to work with the russians. but i think this is more color for collusion. >> if this president declare as national emergency and grabs 4 or $5 billion for the wall, is that a article of impeachment? >> i don't think so. i think it's reckless. we would fight him in court. but i don't want to be reckless with impeachment. i want us to have really an air tight case, bipartisan and the it american people -- is >> how do you stop him? >> you go to court and say he hasn't made the case and we would vote in the house to do that. >> it looks like it's going to. member of the intelligence committee. deputy attorney general who had over seen the special counsel's probe will leave the justice department after mueller is finished with his investigations.

that's according to a source close to rosenstein who says he intends to stay on until the prosecutorial work is done. that would mean rosenstein would stay until early march and while rosen steen as the been a frequent target, he has not been pushed out by the white house. axelrod, the former deputy attorney general who served under sally yates. help us out here. who's in charge if rosenstein leaves? who's over seeing the investigation by mueller? >> that's the right question, chris. because the short answer is we don't really know. bill barr has been nominated and his conformation hearings are next week. normally f he were confirmed, he would over see the probe. the regulations provide its arer the attorney general who supervises the special counsel.

but he sent a probe about the mueller probe. and if confirmed, mr. barr would need to recuse from oversight of the mueller probe. >> do you have any sense of why mr. rosenstein would know that the probe is going to be over by march? would he have been give an heads up by the mueller people? >> yeah, i -- look, that's possible. i'd say first, i think the only person who knows when the mueller probe is going to end is special counsel mueller and frankly, he may not even know because investigations develop in unextected ways. i'll give you an example which is until today my understanding is and still i believe as of today that interview transcripts from the house intelligence committee have not been provided to the mueller team. ed a schiff is going to provide them.

it's going to take time for them to look through those transcripts and assess what follow up work needs to happen. i think rilgit's hard to predic when this thing will end. ty cob rr famously said it would end by the end of 2017. here we are in 2019 and it's not over yet. so i wouldn't make any bold predictions when it's going to end. >> william barr did meet with law makers on capitol hill just today. senator lindsey graham says barr told him he wouldn't suppress mueller's final report. >> i asked mr. barr directly do you think mr. mueller's on a witch hunt? and he said no. do you think he would be fair to the president and the country as a whole? and he said yes. and do you see reason for mr. mueller's investigation to be stopped? he said no.

when the report's handled over to you, what do you intend to do with it? go through the process of what i can share with the congress and public airing on the side of transparency. >> there's a process we've known through history that president kz do things that look awful but get away with it. nixon did finally get rid of his special counsel. what happens if the president and whitaker, the acting attorney general or barr, when he gets the job if he does, you know what i'm going to put that report in the bottom drawer and i'm going to turn the key and leave it there. what's to stop him from doing just that? >> well a couple of things. i think would likely play out isdo isdis democrats would subpoena the report and it would get fought out there. i got to say and i'm glad to

hear what senator graham said, that mr. barr's approach would be and we'll see what mr. barr himself says during his hearings next week. i think he really needs commit to letting the mueller probe complete its work unimpeded and providing the results, whatever evenchal report there is, providing that report to congress, i think that's what everyone is expecting and needs happen for the it rule of law. >> right. and this president has a lot of legal challenges facing him and something to lever with. can he get out scott free >> i would say that is an unlikely possibility. i think for a number of reasons.

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welcome back to "hardball." president trump is doubling down on his threat to declare a national emergency if democrats don't agree with him. the president today said it's still on the table. >> why not declare a national emergency? >> well, i may do that at some point. if chuck and nancy don't agree to the fact that our country is really got problems with crime, with drugs, with a lot of other things that come through our southern border. i don't care politically. but i'll tell you it's a very bad political issue for the democrats. >> well, some republican law makers say don't think it's a good political issue for the

military to pick up the tab for the president's border wall. >> you should thought take money from the it department of defense or anything else. >> i'm not prepared to endorse that right now. >> reporter: are you glad he didn't declare a national emergency? >> i thinkts to the rr that's a. adam smith of the state of washington. what would you do tomorrow if declared he's going to take 4 or $5 billion from the defense department and spend it on the wall? >> number one, we would sue. s it's a 1976 law. i don't think this falls under the heading of a national emergency. i think it would be an illegal act. we would produce legislation to block him and whatever he pass

would have to be pass the senate and be signed by the president so would probably go through the courts. >> that's the one thing he brings about, the drugs. is this liking the swine flu? >> he can claim that. but look, boarder security is important. democrats are acknowledging that. a wall is the exact wrong way to do that and we've invested massive amounts of money inboarder security. so much so that number of unauthorized entries are at historic lows. we've inivisted and built a wall where it makes sense. he's fixated oen a wall instead of what would really work for border security. >> there's a lot of people that would like to see this block aide end. a lot of people i argued last night most people aren't coming

to do evil, they're trying to get a job and hear there might be a job in philly or chicago or whatever and they're going for it. they get a word from a cousin, there's a job open here, you got to get up here. should we allow guest workers? >> that's the larger problem. is the legal immigration system is broken and under president trump's leadership, he's trying to block immigrants in every conceivable way. >> possible guest worker programs? >> absolutely. >> you say you would sue if the president of the united states took 4 or $5 billion from defense and spent it on the wall. >> we can do it legislatively and the republicans control the senate and the president has to sign anything we do legislatively. >> nearly 800,000 government employees don't know when

they're going to see their next paycheck including more than 800,000 members of the coast guard civilian work force. the coast guard published a list of suggestions to help them make it through the financial strain of the shutdown. they include having a garage sale. getting a baby sitting job, a dog walking job or becoming a personal shopper. >> 800,000 people are suffering, the people they're supposed to be serving are suffering and they're suffering over a legislative policy dispute. i've had things that i've worked on for a decade to try to get passed. that's all this is is a legislative policy dispute. you should not shut the government down over it. take your case to the american people, win the next election and go forward. but to shut down the government every time you have a disagreement over where year spending money, that's a recipe for suffering and chaos and these people are suffering and

the president just blows right past that and i think your illustration shows how ridiculous. >> a sad one and ridiculous. chairman of the armed services committee of the house of representatives. up next president trump thanks rush limbaugh for the key role he's played in the trump administration. is he a dido head? is he a dido head? it. ran out of ink and i have a big meeting today >>and 2 boxes of twizzlers... yeah, uh...for the team... >>the team? gooo team.... order online pickup in an hour and, now buy one hp ink get one 30% off at office depot officemax and, now buy one hp ink get one 30% off ♪♪ i'm 85 and i wanna lifego home ♪savannah ♪ [ding] [boxing bell ding] [applause]

if we undercut the president, that's the end of his presidency and our party and we edeserve to be punished if we give in now. >> if we give in on a wall. that was senator lindsey graham reminding the president and his fellow republicans what they're up against. senate republicans overwhelmingly supported a move to fund the government without extra money for the wall, a move that he seemingly agreed to

until rush limbaugh and anne coulter disagreed. vice president pence took time to call rush limbaugh and thank him for his support. let's listen. >> we couldn't be more grateful for your voice on the airwaves of america every day. everything we've accomplished over the last two years, rebuilding our military, reviving our economy, setting a record for conservatives appointed to our courts, america's growing at home, we're stand tall on the world stage. rush, we don't thank you enough. but thank you for all that you've meant to this movement and the progress we've made in this country." >> i think that was a bishop talking to his pope. "washington post" deputy editorial page editor. george, i want to ask you about the republican particulaty. who's the boss? >> trump.

>> not limbaugh? >> well, sort of a sock puppet. no it's trump's party thoroughly. >> who's the organ grinder and who's the monkey? >> what difference does it make? >> tend to your columnist here. >> i would not presume to do that. i think -- you know, we're used to the vice president lavishing up praise, fulsome praise on the president. it was remarkable to see him attending to rush limbaugh with the same excessive devotion. >> i think fulsome means -- not really genuine. >> lavish praise. >> why does kissing up to be crude about it to rush limbaugh? an audience of 10 million people. not a big chunk of 330 million people.

>> for being a heart beat away from the presidency, vice president pence has mastered acweesing to everybody. he's been that way to president trump and everybody else. >> you mean he has the soul of a vice president. >> exactly. what lack of soul he still has. lack of spine and soul. the it catch is rush limbaugh is about as trustworthy as president trump. he is criticized the president before. just because you're on the air kissing his but -- >> you're at the barber shop you don't get asked please turn on rush limbaugh? >> no, no. >> and meanwhile, a show of solidarity with the president only this afternoon. >> we're all behind the president. we think his border security issue is extremely important. thank you for your leadership. >> thank you. >> when do you think it will crack? this solidarity behind the president of keeping the

government closed? >> not if he declares his national emergency. this is a good time to reread the steel seizucases in 1952. justice jackson's nuance description of how the implied and inherent powers of the presidency varied and you have to read the 1976 national emergencies act when congress did what it does best, which is p premisc wsly -- and he's applied tariffs in the name of national security. it's all perfectly legal because all presidents are cloaked with enormous powers that congress have premisc wsly given away. >> dueio have a sense that he didn't want to give a speech last night, doesn't want to go down to texas tomorrow. it's that brier patch. don't throw me in the brier patch.

don't make me stop this car. daddy always said don't make me stop the car, because then i'm going to do what i have to do. >> he might pull this off. we just have to have the secretary of defense call for it. it's go to be a big ugly legal battle. it doesn't hurt him among constituents. it may hurt republicans inboarder states. and texas are suffering right now. >> what happens when this happens? when he says i'm going to use the expanded power of the presidency, implied or not under the authority of 1976, i'm going for it, watch me, kids? >> boy, if it's an emergency, you might have declared it an emergency earlier because the fact that you're only declaring it an emergency because you

can't get a deal with congress, somewhat undercuts your emergency argument. >> a strongly progressive website on the left just released a new straw poll of 2020 presidential democratic candidates. nearly 35,000 votes counted. e-elizabeth warren is lieding the pack with 22%. former texas congressman, bet it o o'rourke at 15 in second place. and kamala harris. in third. four people close to beto orork teal politico he's leaning towards the running. i think it's early but i think elizabeth early has done the right thing. fast breaks work. >> it was smart -- was not smart for her to initially handle the dna test the way it was handled. but it was not smart for hillary clinton to handle the emails the way they were originally

handled. but elizabeth warren proven to be a little more nimble. she's taken on the questions and answering the questions. >> she's not issuing a video the way secretary clinton did. which is very classy but it doesn't give you a chance to let people grab at you and that's what warren did this weexd. people pestering with the dna stuff. it made her look like, okay, i'll take it on. >> it's iowa voters making the decision. >> that's a special group of people to start. >> so they're going to have 15 visits from her and maybe ea only eight or nine from joe biden. she's getting in their minds. so she would have already stabbed a brand. >> is there a profile they should be looking for or they just have to see who's the best

candidate? is there a profile answer right now? >> yes, i think it's someone who can compete in the midwest, particularly in the three states that produced our current president, wisconsin, pennsylvania and michigan and and specifically pennsylvania because pennsylvania looks very difficult for the republicans to carry in 2020 and difficult 250 get to 270 republican electoral votes. >> actually i heard from a conservative as well that the white conservative vote too, be blunt about it, men and women is shrinking and democrats are getting smart about digital and if trump does run again, he has to be smarter than the first time. >> he is going to have a bigger challenge. he managed to find his way

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let me finish tonight with our president. i think he's at the end of his rope. the it democratic party, the media perhaps, the courts. his defiance came through on two powerful points, one, the mueller probe. the president will not answer anymore questioness.

no kw no questions beyond what he did in that take-home late last year. and the zero, nothing, nada. this means this historic investigation is going to end perhaps in the next few months without any direct in-person questioning of the president. mueller will be able to say he gave the president a chance to defend himself in actions of possible obstruction of justice but mr. trump chose not to. number two, the wall. there he was late today huffing his way to the door after failing to get any democratic buy-in on his wall along the mexican border. whatever else this walk-out will produce, it has produced a democratic argument that they came down to the white house, only to have the president storm out of the room and leave them sitting there. so twice in a day we get word from trump world. you want to investigate me? go into it yourself. i'm not answering more of your

questions. you want the united states government up and running, then give me my wall. that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> we saw a temper tantrum because he couldn't get his way and he just walked out of the meeting. a cornered president storms out. >> bye-bye. >> as the mueller probe closes in. >> this appears as the closest we've seen yet to real-live actual collusion. >> tonight what looks like the end of the collusion debate as the manafort bomb shell lands on c capitol hill. plus what we learned of the fate of rod rosenstein and as the trump shutdown continues. >> this is not a fight i wanted. i am proud to shutd down the government. skblrks on the government workers held hostage.