my thanks to kim atkins and jere bash, that does it for our hour. >> nicole, can you feel the urge, washington lawmakers really want to solve this, can't you tell? >> what is wrong with them? is it in the air or the water? >> it's as if they are like huh, whatever. it is crazy. >> i will go to my tv and watch. >> this is what democracy looks like. >> good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington. this shut down is not just poised to break the record, but it could shatter it after what the president just said. just 90 minutes ago, he said he was taking an emergency

declaration off of the able tabr now. he took his shut down off ramp and off ramped it. >> i will be sued, it will be brought to the ninth circuit, and maybe even if the wording is unambiguous, it will be appealed to the ninth circuit, and we'll probably lose there too and hopefully win in the supreme court. i would rather not do it because this is something that congress should easily do. what we're not looking to do right now is a national emergency. but we have the absolute right to do it. in many way it's is the easy way out. it should be up to congress to do it. maybe he thinks congress really

should be the ones to end it, not him, even though he engineered it all in the first place. never the less, it is growing. it will be the longest lapse of government funding in modern political history and since it began, a bouncing ball of negotiations have moved exactly this much, zip, zero. things are so deadlocked that it is really the only way out. after what we just saw from the president right now? there is no way out, no one want this is to end because both sides in this fight seem to believe they're winning or worse, if the compromise is that they will lose. kelly o'donnell is at the white house. former democratic congresswoman from maryland, and our panel,

and kelly, i think that a lot of washington thought okay, since there is no negotiations, we're going with this emergency plan and apparently that is off of the table, where do we go from here? >> there is a void. no negotiations at least publicly anounlsnounced or sche and the president used the word indefinitely when asked about the use of the national security emergency yesterday when he said if it can't be resolved legitimative legislatively, and they had a sense of maybe not so fast, and then the president, as you just outlined with clips of his appearance, put it on the shelf, so the president retains this power, talks about that, but is

definitely giving us the signal. there is no friday news dump and no anticipation of doing it right away. democrats come back to washington, the house and the senate have adjourned for the weeke weekend, to try to vote on this. and resolving the issue of paying for federal workers being restored once it is over, so that question is off of the table. does it alleviate the immediate pain but now settle in. and what we're seeing is an emphasis of what they believe. and the president's acts will act, and she had quite a colorful comment saying i'm a mother of five, a grandmother of nine, i know a temper tantrum when i see it. >> i ask you to hang there while i go to the panel.

he is begging the president right now. he was trying to work the deal yesterday. so pence shut him down and he said forget about it. he said just do this, now forget about it. that is a great question. there is no obvious off ramp. he doesn't have any incentive to pull pufoff. if you do this you set yourself up to lose, and the precedent could be very dangerous going forward. there is no emergency defining the way we have a national emergency at the border. despite all of the things that he had at the border. so who knows. he has not been much of a skilled negotiator in this either. >> you have been in congress in shut downs. you have been an aid to a speaker in four shut downs, shut

downs you didn't want, when does mitch mcconnell step in on this. >> one of mitch mcconnell's favorite sayings is there is no education in the second kick of a mule. in this case, he got kicked by president trump square in the forehead at the outset of this shut down. i don't see any incentive for him to do anything like that. look, this is a little more optimistic and a little bleaker than you laid out. optimistic because you can pick two senators, r and d, lock them in a telephone booth with a post it note, and they will come out with an agreement, but passing that agreement takes a change of heart by nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, mitch mcconnell, and president trump. >> i said all along that i always thought that today was the determinant day. this is the day that 800,000 workers are not getting their

paychecks. members and senators are going back to their districts and their states and they're going to hear the pain all weekend long. i think next week, monday and tuesday when they come back, it becomes a different conversation. and i think ultimately mitch mcconnell will have to call the president and say, you know, we passed a bill, we have to get that bill to the floor. i think that is the way to get out of this and the president, i don't want to say he has to give, but he can say "they wanted to do it and i'll let the congress do it. they did it to me." >> kelly, i want to get you to react to what lisa murkowski said on the senate floor. you know this place well, and i'm curious if you think that lisa murkowski is speaking more than for just lisa murkowski. >> count me in as one who says that shutting down the government is not governing.

nobody is winning in this. maybe question get a short-term reprieve. let's do a short term cr to allow us to process this, but let's not keep the government shut down while do thwe do this. we can figure these things out, everyone is talking about leverage. it is all political leverage. well tell that to the people who are really worried. >> she is used to bowing alone in opposing president trump these days. there is a silent growing morality against the president. >> she was alone in opposing justice kavanaugh, she has been tested politically. she won a write in save yourself return to the nat. that is not an easy thing to do. not with her last name.

>> precisely, yes. all of those letters, spell it right. she is echoing what is the most reasonable position that many office holders have. she also has the strength of what she just described in terms of her own political fortitude. and coming from a state with high workers employed in alaska. he just had serious problems with earthquakes requiring the help of fema. so she has credibility and a willingness to use it to spend it. this is the kind of position that many senators would likely have, but they're always being judged by their home state, their time in the cycle, and where they think things are going. and lisa murkowski is on the edge of that branch, how many will follow her, there is a handful of republican senators saying "we have to get past this." but how it will move the president is a big question. she is not likely to be the one

to move the president. lindsey graham is more likely. >> walk me through nancy pelosi. one of the things that makes this likely is donald trump, nancy pelosi, and mitch mcconnell have one thing in common, they can absorb a lot of political pain. it is an asset, but not in this moment here. >> i would say that unlike mcconnell right now, she has the overwhelming support of her caucus in this. >> if it was fraying, she would not still be steely on this, right? >> i think she speaking for the call discuss. she also has their permission, i think, to fit down and negotiate

something for border security and thinking about that broadly. she has the per noise do that if mcconnell -- >> why don't the dcs propose double the amount of money, but no wall. saying we're for the security, we mean it on the wall, and almost daring them. >> that is why it is so frustrating. it is not a real policy necessarily. even if democrats pass that tomorrow and some rump group of senate republicans went along with schumer and passed that out of the senate, the president is not willing to sign it. >> he doesn't know how to declare victory sometimes, he could have declared victory several times. i wish it were a wall, but some day he will beg me for it. >> i think he felt burns.

they're watching it through a very particular media luns to say am i winning or not. it is a mill ways you could slice this, but i think he feels burns and is es tant to do that. it is the perception that he is giving in on this singular idea of the wall. there will not be a wall from one end of the border to another. it is a physical impossibility. you will not put one sing l huge wall in place. will he just go out and convince people that he did? >> what point does donald trump, he may not be playing by the rules, all of these things may be true, at what point do they feel like they have to figure out how to get the government workers paid?

>> it is really clear that they're not going to put down money to build a wall. and i think that the white house will signal that they're willing to sign something. >> i thought that was the case three weeks ago though. >> again, the learning curve, the president has a slow learning curve. >> does the white house view fuse night's speech as a success or failure? >> it is still their position that they want to sell. this that there is a real humanitarian aspect to this to try to soften how the president is perceives about the wall. but that is not what we're talking about. when you talk about political

pain, i asked pouch political pain he could withstand. he hesitated and he referred to his party and he said that they didn't have the guts to stand up for this. he seems to be wanting to prove that what some senators have voted for in the past, which is true, they have voted for a wall or barriers in past immigration related border security measures, and the fact that he promised it, we have seen all of the gymnastics around it. he was saying they didn't have the guts, that tells you a lot about the thinking of the president, that he will try to project himself. but he can't do it alone. but i could tell you he -- he never takes the logical offramp

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by the way, comes from michigan, a swing state that voted for president trump. happy new year. >> chuck, happy new year to you but it is not really happy. >> it has not started, it feels like we have not wrapped up the business of 2018 and in your case that is literal. the president taking the national emergency declaration off of the table, are you relieved or not? the first thang ing we did, i h been talking all week to people, but when you sit with people not getting their paycheck today and how scared they are, when they have a real word discussion. you're going to see it happen across the country, i hope to god we see a change next week in

attitud attitudes. >> let me play something to you from president trump today. he had a message for democrats, let me ask you about it on the other side. >> this is how i ask the democrats to come back to washington and to vote for -- money for the wall, the barrier, whatever you want to call it, it is okay with me, they can name it want. >> okay, so now you can call it paechs, i guess, let me set that aside for a minute. it is interesting the way you worded this, you hope that the calculus changes next week plp you have to give them something for some barrier. >> here is what i think, the nat voted 98-2 to fund six

departments and open the government for a few weeks. the house voted to reopen those departments, fund them through the rest of the year, and give us an extension for a few weeks on homeland security. we need to stop putting public servants in the middle of this. reopen the government back into regular order and have a discussion to get this done. there is no one i know on either side that doesn't care about national security. we need to reopen the government, it is inexcusable right now. >> here is the -- it seems like you're battling, you have an issue in your own party, what she said about this shut down, take a listen. >> he is an a moral hostage

taker. he makes no difference between right or wrong and he doesn't give a rip. he is a hostage taker because he has taken 800,000 of federal employees and thousands and thousands of contractors hostage. and we don't negotiate with a moral hostage takers. >> can you negotiate with him and sell that? >> here is what i will say. he has taken hostages, but these are human beings that need to be able to make a mortgage payment. they're worried their credit rating will go down. the catch 22 of the real stories right now is nightmarish. to me this is a human issue. i care about every one of those government workers that are not getting paid, that are cared about how they will live, and we

should care about the services not getting performed. keeping us safe in the skies, to food being inspected, to food stamps, the list is endless. he has taken us hostage and we can't let him do that. let's get back into regular order, let's negotiate but what is happening right now is just not okay. he doesn't deserve to be negotiated with because of what he has done, i understand that. if he is amoral, it means he will not be moved by any of these arguments so you may just have to deal with it. is that what the solution is? give him his tw2.6, call it peaches, and move on. >> first of all, don't negotiate on numbers.

i know that i'm a personal that reacts to human stories and i get upset, but i think that my experience, and i wasn't alone, many members of my delegation. >> there is nothing wrong with that, that is crazy, i know. >> but i think a lot of people will hear the stories and they hear the human side and they will hear the service that's are not being delivered. i'm one of 100 senators, if people's heart and souls are not being touched by this by the end of the weekend, i worry about if this is really a representative democra democracy. >> it is bizarre to me there is not even anything on the schedule for a meeting for talks, we're just -- okay, maybe monday, is that what we're looking at? >> we don't know what will happen. i'm an optimist, i always like to think good, so i'm going to be an optimist, so this meeting,

this one tsa worker burst into tears, we say all of these things, she just heard that we had all gone home and no one was working, and he said this could go on for years. we're not going to threat go in for years. we have to do something. you know the likelihood, i'm not a bser ether, i hope to see movement. >> this is perhaps the thing we knead to hear to move congress to act.

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harassment. this is the same part of the democratic party that embraced sanders early on in the 2016 came pain. the same group that launched him in the 2018 campaign, and perhaps this group is telling senator sanders that perhaps his time has comb and gone. joining us now is march coast. >> thank you so much, good to see and talk to you, too. >> i'm going to put up that poll here again, i want folks to do math in their ahead here, warren at 22%, o 'rourke, harris, biden, sanders, that is saying

that they want something new, two to one, new to old, is that a fair examination of where your folks are. >> yeah, this is very sophisticated. one of the reasons that beto is doing as well as he is is they spent the year finding money for him. when you look at what is happening to bernie sanders this week, how much is sanders problems with this portion of the electorate is about things on his campaign and how much of it is simply is you were 2016, we're looking for something else. >> i don't think that me too stuff on this campaign really had an affect on these numbers,

if it did it might have been on the edges. i think it is mostly about people are realizing that in 2016 there was a buy fainaray c, and it was bernie or hillary, there is now about two dozen people looking to run. there is clearly great options and people don't really have that choice any more and i don't think hi did a good job in the last couple years growing his base of support of addressing the shortcomings that he had in people of color and women. people are now more than happy to look at what else is out there. >> you have not been shy about your affection for e lilizabeth warren and pamela harris, what about beto o'rourke?

>> well, to me, generally speaking, broadly speaking, i think we're in a political climate that is about the me too movement, it is about black lives matter, it is about the dreamers, people of color and women asserting themselves politically in a world that has not been kind to them. beto is kind of special because he transcends that in some ways, probably the only white male that could be competitive in this climate. i think it is time for a woman pth president and an all-woman ticket. i'm looking to pamela harris and elizabeth warren, kristin gillibra gillibrand, i think that is where the future of the party is at this time. i thought that beto raised a

great campaign in texas. i would be perfectly happy with him as well. >> you know what is interesting here, when you look at the campaign they're preparing for there may not be a lot of difference in policy, but there will be a difference in style. in 2008 they were looking for can't we just all come together? could barack obama take that same message today? could that work in today's democratic primary or do you think folks are looking for something else? >> i don't think it would work because of barack obama. people really bought into his message of unity. no blue states, no red states, one america, and they bought into that and the republican party from day one basically said without hiding it that they wanting nothing more than to destroy barack obama and everything that he did for years

to try to find that common ground basically used by republicans against obama, and we were watching the entire time. there is not a lot of appetite for anyone that says there are not red states when clearly there are and we have seen them. there are people right now that don't have the money to buy food because of the shut down. and i think beto and klobuchar might have problems with them because there is divisions and we need to confront them head on, and i expect that the candidates that make that clear are the ones that will come out ahead. >> you said it will be tough for any white male maybe outside of beto to transcend this moment, do you feel that way about the other two, particularly sheriff

brown, that may have more in common with warren and harris side logicald ideologically. >> i just think there is a moment now where women are ascending. white men votes with democrats, i think 39% last year. it is a party that is basically fuelled by women and people of color, and it is candidates that were most exciting in 2019, they were women and people of color, that is the energy. it is a moment that is not kind for candidates like sheriff brown or joe biden. any of these candidate that's are not women or candidates of color.

>> i had debby dingle on earlier, you can hear in her voice they want to get this over. they may come up with a compromise to give him a fig leaf, how will your communicate react to that? >> if it is a capitulation for trump, people will not be happy about it and there is really no reason politically for democrats to do that. it is clear in the polling and where the energy is and the party right now that democrats have the upper hand and there is no reason to get him out of something that he created. he boxed himself in. he needs to come up with major concessions or continue to wait this out. this is not good for trump, it has not been a good week for him. >> so you're not ready to move at all, not yet. >> compromise is great, there are lots of things that

democrats would be happy to offer as a compromise, but not a capitulation. >> it will be fun to talk to you throughout the year and figure out where this party is is headed. thank you, sir. >> thank you so much. >> coming up, a battle between pollsters where there is no margin for error. trust me on this one. in for errr trust me on this one

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this congress, state, and my congressional district. >> that was steve king, an iowa congressman, and she in hot water. it is time for "the lid" now. just to remind you, this little new fire storm of steve king started this week. white nation naalistnationalistt become offensive? why did i sit in classes speaking to me about the merits of our nation. they essentially implied he should have the decency to resign. this was him trying to save his political career, was it enough? >> i was reading the statement that his primary opponent put out, and it sounded just like the attack that was made against

tim poll. he is the only guy that has been too far to the right in the modern error and he was attacked for being out of touch with his district and not being able to deliver because >> rather than delivering for the farmers and small business people in his home district. >> i find it interesting that there is now, seems to be a campaign on the right to get rid of steve king. that is more concerted -- some folks say why didn't you do it three or four years ago, but there now seems to be a real effort. >> i thought it was coming to the head during the recent election but it's there now. >> he won. steve king brings disrepute on to the house of representatives and reading what tim scott wrote and republicans coming out, i

think it's the right thing because i don't know how you recover your party if you have somebody like that who gets to stand up and call themselves a republican. >> and just to remind people, this isn't his only sort of daldal dalliance with this. he said what does this diversity bring that we don't already have? he compared torture to hazing. he has earned this -- these attacks from his own party. >> sort of amazing it's only now coming to the front. what was so striking about that comment too is what does western civilization have to do with white nationalism? >> that's what tim scott asked? he goes, uh -- >> the argument is its nonsensical. >> it implies a rejection of white nationalism. >> exactly.

>> i have noticed since trump got elected that when there is an opportunity to condemn somebody who is spouting things that have been similar to the president, the party jumps on it. it's almost like it's a -- every condemnation of him doesn't work but we're not going to let anybody else pull that off. is there something to that? >> i see the argument you're making. it has more to do with being in the minority in the house of representatives. it's always easier to cast out bad seeds. it's always easier to be a little more pure. >> do you buy that? that it's easier to back somebody that you don't like? >> i think it does mean that you don't have anything to regret, right? so you get them out now so that on the off chance that you were ever able to recover the majority again, you don't have them as part of your party. >> we're building for a future majority that does not include people like steve king. >> it does seem as if the people

that rush to condemn some of these folks that parrot some of the things at trump rallies are some of the people at the beginning. >> president trump hasn't said he called himself a nationalist. >> but he never said a thing about steve king. >> everybody has anxieties about all of these comments because they're in that same zone of offensiveness and i think that you're absolutely right. it's much easier to attack steve king that has a much longer track record of this than to start talking openly and honestly about the many things the president has said about nationalism and the dog whistles that he has been blowing for two years. >> does he endorse him? when donald trump and that -- i mean, you know what's coming here, right? it's as a swing state. so it's going to get a lot of attention. steve king, this is going to be a primary that isn't going to just happen in a vacuum. >> i'm trying to think through the timing of such potential

endorsement. >> it is june. >> he may have other things on his hand at that point. >> that's interesting. june of 2020. >> between now and june of 2020, president trump may deal with a series of trials and tribulations. >> is that right? >> he may potentially be willing to reopen the united states federal government. >> that to me is sort of, if i were the congressional republicans, the only thing that would make me nervous here is that they have filed on and trying to figure out a way to steer money to king's primary opponent, that would be just, i mean if trump helps king or doesn't say a thing, that would be a moment. >> i tell you, i used to think it was for him but clearly it's not. >> i used to think the same thing, but clearly it's not. up ahead, putting the reality in tv. ahead, putting the reality n tv

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the plot line of one episode is generating a lot of attention. it's subtle. >> did you hear about trump. >> i bring you a message, a message i along was able to read in the fires of the universe. >> what are you selling? >> your name is trump. >> in order to arrest him, it has to have a charge. >> well, there has to be some way to stop him. >> i am the only one. trust me. i can build a wall around your homes that nothing will penetrate. you ask how do you build that wall? you ask and i'm here to tell you. >> you're a liar, trump. >> we are not making this up. not to put too fine a point on it but in 1958 cbs aired a sitcom about a man that tried to convince people to build a wall in texas and whose name was trump. apparently this extremely weird consequence was picked up a few years ago. candidly we missed it then. we didn't miss it this time and

now we have to live with it. how about finding the footage. we were happy about that? doesn't it feel just a little bit like we have travelled through another dimension? yeah, that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back monday with more and if it's sunday, it's meet the press, my guest, ted cruz, tim cain and claire mccaskel. >> only one quick question, is it my imagination or is your show getting trippier? >> only a dude from seattle would know about that. >> i'm feeling the vibes, it's friday. >> you feeling it? >> i'm feeling it, dude. >> i loved it and a lot of people were talking about that on the internet. that clip was incredible. >>