controversial and big issues she's raising. other than that, it's a great twitter feed. it's a great twitter moment. now you're in congress, you got to do the big thing you were sent there to do and that is to legislate. you don't start off by cutting off knees from the very members you'll need to get your bill out of committee. >> we are hitting the top of the hour. i don't want to let you all go before i ask you, rick, what are republicans afraid of? do they look like her as a foil? >> she a foil. kamala harris doesn't want to go on the view and talk about alexandria ocasio-cortez. she wants to talk about her book. she would do better to spend more time -- she has progressive views. she needs to educate the country about her progressive views. if that wins the day, congress will move. rather than spending time to convince people in other districts their congressperson or man or woman is not

progressive enough. >> okay. thank you so much for staying with me through julian castro announcement and answering some of the questions on all of this. thank you so much. >> thank you. we are just hitting top of the hour here. we begin this hour with new revelations adding to the political challenges facing the president for firing fbi director james comey. after the president fired comey, the fbi began investigating whether trump, as a sitting president, was working on behalf of russia against american interests wittingly or unwittingly. the times reports the counter intelligence inquiry constituted a national threat. the president appeared to say he fired comey because of the russia investigation. >> regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey

knowing there was no good time to do it. in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story. >> the white house dismissing that report as absurd. let's go to the white house. what is the president saying here? >> reporter: the president is hitting all of his familiar targets. former fbi officials, hillary clinton, democrat, members of the special counsel team. these five furry fiy filled twes his he response to the new york times report that says fbi officials were so unnerved by the president's actions in the days following his decision the fire james comey that they took the extraordinary, unprecedented step of launching a counter intelligence investigation to

find out whether the president was knowingly or unknowingly a russian asset. in these tweets the president says a few things that aren't entirely on the level including the fact he reverted back to his explanation saying he fired comey based on his handling of the clinton e-mails when as we just saw, days after he axed james comey, he said it had to do with that russia thing. the president said he's been far tougher on russia than bush, obama, clinton. that entirely depends on whether krou take into account the president's own words and actions or the administration's actions. the trump administration has leh levee ed sanctions. if you take into account everything that president trump has said, everything gives the impression that donald trump wants to align the u.s. along side russia.

james comey fired off his own tweets. he said i ask you to judge me by the enemies i have made. he's echoing the words of fbr, some seven, eight decades ago. the take away from the new york times report is that this counter intelligence investigation is now under the purview of robert mueller. what we don't know though is if this portion of the investigation is still proceeding. >> all right. thank you so much for that. we go from that conversation to joining me now. betsy woodruff, john harwood.

put this in perspective, how significant is this? >> it's extraordinary reporting and unprecedented in the history of counter intelligence work. this is the stuff novel, movies and conversations by counter intelligence professionals over several years might be the stuff of but not reality. putting the president's name in the subject line of a counter intelligence investigation is a sobering thought. i think it's important for the american people to understand what that means and what it doesn't mean. there's sufficient enough evidence to cause the fbi to wonder if the president was the target of recruitment. you can open case for that as well. it's not something done in vacuum. it's not some silly decision made by a couple of agents in a

break room one day. this requires levels of approval, legal review, going to the department of justice and having them look at the evidence. with my experience sitting in that lead seat, i'm going to need to see even more than the public antics of the president and some irrational conduct. i'll need to see some intercepts, human source reporting in order for me to say i've got a reasonable suspicion he's working for another team. >> two more questions to you. that being how long does an investigation like this go on potentially? would it be correct in surmising it might be over or it's going on. the word wittingly versus unwittingly. how important is that as you look at this investigation, frank? >> that may have been the whole purpose of opening such an investigation to try and figure out is he acting like this seemingly in the pocket of the

the russian government because he has signed onto their team or is he acting out of complete self-interest and not realizing the gravity of what he's doing and how they are characterizing and exploiting him? that's li that's likely the purpose the case was opened. it's important to remember that unlike a criminal case, which always has the objective of determining the truth and getting to prosecution, if necessary and conviction, that's not the case in counter intelligence. you may remember several years ago the sleeper cell of russian illegals operating inside the united states. that went on for ten solid years until they were certain they wrapped up the entire cell. only then was the decision made to wrap it up. it's all about identifying everything, penetrating the operation and neutralizing it. it koultd take years or it could

already have been end p many months ago. >> betsy, i know that you've been hearing from experts. >> it's still ongoing or has it formally been shuttered. one of the important context here as frank noted, i'll defer to him on many issues. these investigations can go on for years. a former official i spoke with late last night who is familiar with the way counter intelligence investigations get managed said that in the broad time line of how long a probe like this might take, a year and a half is something like a rounding year or the blink of an eye. the idea that a probe of this nature could be initiated and shuttered within this period of time, within about a year and a half since it first started,

according to the new york times reporting. while it's plausible is not necessarily particularly likely. >> betsy, in that regard, rudy giuliani saying this has been going on for 18 months and if they had something, we would already know about it. this is nothing burger. he didn't use that phrase but it has been used before in the administration. is that just not true? >> rudy giuliani is incorrect. if they had something, we would not necessarily know it. if they had something and once this investigation is concluded, there's no requirement of any sort of public reporting. it's often quite the opposite. the findings will sometimes stay within the united states intelligence community. they don't go to anyone else. >> betsy, when you said it has to be signed off in the highest of the doj and fbi. would that mean that both christopher wrey, 18 months and jeff session, would have had to say, okay. >> my understanding is that

christopher wrey probably would not have been install ld ulled director. sessions had already recused himself. i don't feel comfortable speculating about the names of individuals in fbi or the justice department. it would have to be somebody very senior and at the rod rosenstein level. >>on, how is this in the context of the mueller probe? >> i think it fits in a long pattern that people have observed over the years and have been reluctant to tie together. remember over the last 20 years

president trump and his company by the statements of his own family have gotten a ton of money from russia. has done business with people connected with the russian mob. he ran for president talking about better relations with russia. he hired a campaign chairman who had been working indirectly for vladmir putin. he had multiple aides with contacts with the russians. they lied about those contacts. his national security adviser who had gotten paid by russia to go attend a dinner with vads mirr vladimir putin, give a speech, he lied a ed about his contact. the president fires the fbi director and brags to the russian ambassador in the oval office he had taken the pressure off of himself. then subsequently he goes to helsinki. has a meeting with vladmir putin in which there were no notes

taken of what was discussed and lately on issues ranging from montengro to afghanistan, he's echoed russian talking points, russian propaganda. why is all that happened? could all those things be innocent? yes. it sure looks strange. the decision to open a counter intelligence investigation when you consider that range of facts, doesn't look quite so unusual when you think about it. >> stay right where we are. i'm going to switch to tipics a remind our viewers of the developments as no end in sight for the partial government shutdown. day 22 and counting. it's the longest shutdown ever in u.s. history. congress is now adjourned until monday. there's no weekend negotiations scheduled. the president said that he will not declare a national energy, quote, right now. he is still warning democrats that he may later bypass

congress later to build his border wall. you have 800,000 federal workers have started their weekend a paycheck. it's first missed payday since the government shutdown. furlough workers protesting across the country. they are calling on washington to let them return to work. a few moments ago i spoke with federal workers and spouses whose lives have been up ended. their livelihood now at risk. >> it hit me pretty hard. my wife has been working a lot of over time to help us make ends meet. >> i'm a mother of two special needs kids. both kids are on the spectrum. we're trying to figure out how to make the mortgage payment, the car payments, pay for they weres a-- medications and by fod for my kids. >> he was born at 32 weeks. >> we're good until march or april. if this drags on, i have no idea what we'll do. >> hard to hear all those stories. as the president appears to

being bag off tcking off an imm declaration of emergency. i think it was thursday he was by the border and friday things changed. what happened in span of 24 hours? >> i wish i had insight in the white house of what was happening during that span of time. we know that jim mattis and john kelly are in trump's immediate order. there are still a few who are of the same mind of the conservative view on defense and on national security law. the president is not surrounded solely by advisers who are encouraging him to go with his gut declaring a national emergency.

early in the day there was a lot of reporting. we were receiving indications that the president was on the cusp of declaring a national emergency and now we know that didn't happen. there is going to be pressure on democrats fairly or unfairly. much more so there's going be a ton of pressure on the white house because the government would be open if trump would just sign off on the legislation that congress has passed. the ball is in his court on this particular issue. >> with the president eyeing several different scenarios in terms of trying to get the funding for the wall, which do you see as being the most likely to form? >> i still think the declaration of emergency is the most likely because it, in theory, could accomplish all the president's

goals. he would be pursuing a wall. he would be taking executive action. he likes to portray himself as a man of action and it would get him out of neg ative consequencs of the government shutdown. he's gotten some sworn about the idea of the right from republican senators who don't like it on use of executive authority grounds and from other who is say this is just an escape from the shutdown. it's not going result in the wall being built which is correct. i think it will not result in the wall being built. i think the principal goal ot the president is not the wall, it's to erodes support in his base. the country is not under siege but president trump is under siege legally and politically and what he's trying to do is act in a way that does not cause his base to defect.

that's why he backed away in december from the what republicans on the hill had agreed to. that is a continuation of government funding while we talk about the wall. when he got flak on the right, he backed away. he was not willing to accept that kind of erosion. i think he's trying to look for way to not have it now. >> ann waucoulter calling him a wimp. we had a bunch of members of the fbi calling for a end to the shutdown. they are asserting the bureau's diminished resources puts national security at risk. how concerned are you about this? >> i'm concerned. over the course of my career as a senior executive, i've hand to stand in front of groups of employees and make very dollar announcements about who was deemed essential or non-essential which were always termed that troubled me and have people prepare their families for loss of income. there's a human toil here. i never viewed federal

employment as an entitlement or some kind of right. i'm looking at the facts here. the facts do not defend a national emergency. i've worked drugs and terrorism cases. i know where terrorists come from. it's not walking across mountain ranges on the southern boarder. we siege metric tons of heroin and cocaine at lawful ports of entry. it's not being carried in any large significant percentages on the backs of people crossing the mountain ranges of the the southern boarder. the national emergency is fab i fabricated. >> can't thank all three of you enough. look forward to seeing you again. thank you. congressman ted lu is joining me after the break on what democrats can do to help end the shutdown. mpl d the shutdown mpl

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thnchts is a big deal. this is unprecedented. you have the let this wash over you. the fbi, opened a counter intelligence investigation on the president of the united states is absolutely extraordinary. >> chuck rosen bu nrosenberg ase

legal significance that the fbi opened an inquiry to whether president trump worked on behalf of russia. joining me is democratic member from california, ted lu. it's always good to talk to you. let's get right into this. is the report of evidence of wrong doing on the president's part. does this further fuel your plan to investigation the president. >> the american people should never have to worry if the president of the united states is a russian asset. unfortunely because of the statements made by donald trump on russia, many are asking that question. we know donald trump changed the gop campaign platform to be pro-russian instead of pro-ukraine. donald trump refused to sanction russia for election interference until congress forced him to.

it's so important to continue to maintain the independence and that's what house democrats are going to do. >> another big day, february 7th, you have trump's former lawyer and fixer michael cohen will be testifying before the house oversight committee. what do you expect to hear from him and how critical do you think his testimony is after he admitted to lying to congress? do you think those who supported the president will use that issue in trying to deflect whatever michael cohen may say? >> i like forward to michael cohen testifying under oath. he strikes me as someone with a guilty conscious. i think congress should give him every opportunity to do so. there's a separate set of issues regarding whether donald trump violated federal campaign finance laws. last year kathleen rice, a member of congress wrote letter to fbi to open an investigation

because we believe he violated campaign finance laws and it seems michael cohen will see donald trump ordered him to do so. >> does the party feel a moral responsibility to perhaps come through this being the bigger person if they are in the room. come to the defense of those 800,000 workers suffering without any pay. has the shutdown boiled down to just politics? >> no, it has not. last week the house on a bipartisan basis passed legislation to re-open government. this week on a bipartisan basis. we passed legislation to re-open go government. next week we'll do the same. all the president has to do is get these signed. we're passing legislation to have back pay go to federal employees. i'm working on legislation to make sure they don't get their credit ratings messed up because they can't afford to make certain payments. >> no doubt they will appreciate

that if you can get that through. california is our home state. >> tubs fire, 2017. the president says he could divert funding allocated for these national disasters. different states that have suffered from natural disaster. what are you hearing from your constituents about how this could impact the preparedness of firefighters ahead of next fire season. aren't they supposed to be training now. >> this is an outrageous proposal by the white house.

he's getting bipartisan push back from both republicans and democrats. i've toured shelters in my district from folks who are affected by the woolsey fire. some of them lost everything. there's over 50,000 displaced californians and for donald trump to take away disaster fund sg out rageous. it continues to show he's unfit to be president of the united states. >> i always appreciate your insights and comments. thank you so mouch fuch. legal analysis of that bombshell report suggests the president's behavior was so erratic that the fbi looked into the possibility he was working on behalf of russia. ng e possibilii on behalf of russia.

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national security concerns have emerged following investigations were launched into whether the president was working on behalf of the russian government.

zints this is something the public was not supposed to know about this given the magnitude of this inquiry and whether the president's actions are a threat to his own country. put this into perspective for us in terms of how explosive it is. >> here is the thing about the department of justice. you can't burp in the department of justice without ten signatures from the people above you. i think is very bureaucratic and it's done that way to protect and have all kinds of mechanisms to make sure nobody is going rogue. the amount and lull of scrutiny. wittingly or unwittingly of our longest and most feared

adversary. it's shocking that would happen. it had the go through every layer at the fbi and every possible layer ot doj. recognize at that time sessions had already recused. sessions recused in march of '17. rosenstein is in charge. he must have signed off on this. this was really right around the time that rose n stee nstein wa very oddly and stressed. he offered to wear a wire and those weird discussions about the 25th amendment. that happened at the same time as that they are opening the investigation. those pieces begin to fall into play. you cannot explain with enough adjectives how shocking this would be opened this early. i think we have come to some feeling because we have been watching this for several years

maybe he was compromised but way back then many the spring of '17, it's very shocking. >> okay. have you surprised by this revelation? >> nothing is surprising anymore. this is unprecedented. the fbi would open an investigation into whether the president of the united states is a russian asset is something we could only imagine in a movie. this is a big deal. it had to be signed off on by the highest ranks of the doj and fbi. it's a serious matter. take a listen. >> this nation is under threat and the threat is the person sitting in the seat of the president of the united states.

his actions, his behaviors, his staff, they appear to be this wholly owned subsidiary of vladmir putin. he has more loyalty to them than the constitution of the united states. >> this is a pretty extreme conclusion offered by malcolm but do you think anything mueller uncovers will clearly lead to this type of a conclusion? >> well, it seems very possible, doesn't it? for a long time i've wanted mueller to take his time and go slowly. because of this revelation, we really need to have an answer sooner rather than later. it's time to try to get the american people some actual answers as opposed to relying on the new york times. it's time to rely on bob mueller. we need to know. we need know if if the reason he's kowtowing to putin or refusing to condemn the russian

invasion of afghanistan or the murder of russian citizens on the streets of london or khashoggi, all these things he's doing that's so bizarre, we need to know if he's been compromised. >> does this fit into the special counsel's investigation and how? >> certainly. the fbi investigation two prongs. the criminal investigation into whether the firing of gym jim comey was to obstruct jft. they feed into each other and really interesti ining ways. the fact the president may have fierped co e fired comey to cloak the idea he's been compromised or something going on untoward with the russian government may be part of this as well. this is so serious and unusual and extraordinary. the entire time barack obama was president, we saw nothing like this. the most out rageous thing that

man did was wear tan suit in public. this is absolutely unbelievable. the fact that we're investigating whether or not the president of the united states is an asset for another foreign power is truly, truly extraordinary. >> we'll leave it there for now. ladies, thank you so much. tom steyer decided against running for president but he has critical races that could determine the 2020 race and it's not just his billion dollar fortune. race and it's not just his billion dollar fortune. ents first. i got a leaf right away. a leaf is a hint that is connected to each person in your family tree. i learned that my ten times great grandmother is george washington's aunt. within a few days i went from knowing almost nothing to holy crow, i'm related to george washington. this is my cousin george. discover your story. start searching for free now at ancestry.com these days we're (horn honking) i hear you, sister.

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i am a candidate for president of the united states of america. [ cheers and applause ] >> there you haerpeard it. it's official. former san antonio mayor, julian castro announcing in this last hour he's running for president. what's happening where you are and talk about the enthusiasm generated? >> reporter: the speech just wrapped and this crowd followed the castros out of this very historic plaza. his twin brother who promised to grow a beard if his brother were to become president. his mom made it official in two

languages. he said i'm a can understadidat united states presidency. let's play that big moment. >> i'm running for president because it's time for new leadership. stst time for new enerit's time and commitment to make sure the opportunities i had are available to every american. >> reporter: emphasizing a progressive agenda. things like universal medicare, universal pre-k, climate change and border security that's huma humane. he made his case before a crowd of about 2500 people. a big latino population. he made it initial this plaza

which is very symbolic for the latino community here, the west side of san antonio. his is one of the most high profile candidacy. one person not on the list is tom steyer. tom is joining me now from san francisco. you were heading to iowa. what prompted this decision? what was the nail in the coffin and go onto announce you're not going to run to iowa. >> i've said i'm going to do the thing that i think has the most differential, positive impact. >> you have. >> i think we have a huge crisis

in the united states. that crisis is the president. impeach and remove this president as soon as possible. that's what i'm going to do. >> if you're not running because you want to pursue impeachment, are you worried about that as being something of an empty goal because you have republicans holding the senate, impeachment will not get the president out of office. >> well, i think everybody is focusedmechanics of impeachment and i understand that. what really is going on is that the power is the voice and the opinion of the american people. the only way that this president is going to be impeached and removed from office is the american people where they are democrats or republicans or independents across the board

insist on it. that's what i believe is going to happen. that's what i believe we're trying to be part of. that movement to take back our country from the lawless, criminal president who is sitting in the white house and who is the crisis stopping us from moving forward in the way this country should and the way ma americans deserve. >> the president says i'm out. i'm either not running for election or would resign. this is so hypothetical. would you be satisfied with that? would you feel impeachment had won or are you determined to have this man impeached? >> i'm not vengeful about this. i want the united states, the people of the united states to have a chance to have the future, the positive future that they deserve, that we deserve.

the reason we can't open the government is this president is having a temper tantrum. that's the only reason. >> you're fnot running. you have a pretty sizable war chest. there's a number of people who would love to be the benefici y beneficiary. have you decided whom you will throw your support ? >> i said i'm going to spend 100% of my time pushing more imfeaturemei impeachment of this president. we should be behind that and have a fire in our living room. if that's not the case, i don't think you should be president of the united states.

we have 7 million people who signed our petition. we're adding more than 30,000 people a day. we added over 10,000 people before i got on your show today and it's a saturday. i think people are coming around to understand it's critical to get them out of office. it confirms that he is the criminal that we know he is. >> tom, someone will want that list. you know that. sdplp >> it is the largest, active political list in the united states. it's growing by 30,000 people a day. >> remarkable. >> those are people who are engaged and who i believe are going to be contacting the house leaders. who will be contacting people who want to run for president

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we are going to becoming increasingly vulnerable to our adversaries in the world. there is no justification for what is going on right now and it's going to weaken the presidency, it's going to weaken our country. >> former defense secretary and cia director leon panetta on the ongoing government shutdown of the joining me now is peter emmerson. michael singleton and kurt bardelo. gentlemen, let's get into this here. that's a pretty alarming take from panetta on the shutdown. why aren't we hearing that sense of urgency from republicans who can do something about it, like mcconnell? >> because they honestly don't care. donald trump like every other president who came before him and all who will come after took

an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution. it talks about domestic tranquility and the general welfare of the people. with this shutdown, donald trump has essentially diminished the very meaning of those words. he talked this week about federal workers are green with this shutdown in supporting him. tell that to the single mother who's struggling to take care of her kid or the father who's the breadwinner of his family. you can't tell that to people who live paycheck to paycheck and he's only doing this because he ran on a lie that mexico would pay for it and republicans are sitting idly by essentially doing nothing which is essentially supporting this chaos and that is unfortunate and it means our country is headed in a direction that we may not be able to return from. >> i talked to five people in the last hour all of whom are suffering, federal employers. peter, is there a point in which increasing this eventual neshlt could be too much for the democrats to just stand by and let it happen?

>> as he already mentioned, it's too much more many american. it's the difference between are we going to put food on the table or we going to pay for the mother's cancer treatments. it's coming down to that. the democrats and republicans have already reached a compromise, they've already reached a deal. vice president pence twice committed the white house to that deal, trump's thrown his own vice president under his motorcade and now we have a situation where democrats and republicans can't trust the president. if you can't trust the president to keep his word, you can't negotiate. so it is a terrible, really almost life and death catch 22 we're facing. >> kurt, you had the president tweeting a bunch today and during a series of things he said that i do have a plan on the shutdown, but to understand that plan you would have to understand the fact that i won the election and i promised safety and security for the american people. is that another way of saying this is all about politics? it's all about holding on to his

strongest supporter and his base? >> no question that that's what this is all about. there was a deal. speaker ryan decided not to even bring that bill to the house for a vote because it would have actually have passed of the deal fell apart because the president's most staunch allies on the right went crazy over this deal. trump did a complete 180. it tells you this is all about politics. this has nothing to do with government workers, this has nothing to do with the welfare of our country, this is purely political posturing by a president who is so desperate to hold on to the small group of people he has left supporting him that he will do anything, including keep the government shutdown, allow people to willingly and knowingly suffer so he can get his way. democrats have to really keep this line because if they give in right now, there's no telling what else he'll try to get from them over the next year by having these temper tantrum.

>> the presidential address this week, it took networks a while to actually commit to airing that on tuesday night. historically is that the norm or have networks more quickly granted time to a presidential request like this? and if it's unprecedented, why? >> generally, networks quickly agree to a request from the white house for a presidential address from the oval office, however, november 2014, obama asked the networks for time for a speech from the oval office to talk about the broken steps that needed to be fixed for our immigration problem. networks said no, too political. four years later, donald trump asked for air time oval office speech from about the broken immigration system, networks say yes after some internal debate. i don't know what went on for them to reach that decision, but if too political four years ago, then i would suggest too many lies and too many fake facts to allow it to have happened today. >> gentlemen, i'll look forward to talking with each of you again. thank you so much. the perils of the government

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