here in new york.od it's day 27 and the shutdown drags on. house leader nancy pelosi is calling on president trump to postpone his state of the union address until the government is refunded or suggests he can deliver it in writing. plus isis claims responsibility for an attack that killed four americans in syria. it happened the same day vice president mike pence claimed the terror group had been defeated and senate democrats are demanding answers following an explosive report the lengths president trump has taken to keep his communications with vladimir putin quiet. good morning, everyone.

it's wednesday, january 17th. i'm ayman mohyeldin. alongside louis burgdorf. it is day 27 of the shutdown and a bipartisan effort to refund the government has hit a major snag. a group of senators have planned to send a letter to president trump requesting the government be temporarily re-opened in exchange for a serious debate about border protection but wording to politico the effort failed after the letter's signers fell short of the 20 senators in both parts that supporters were trying to accrue. many republicans wanted more of a commitment from house speaker nancy pelosi in order to move forward with the letter and others thought it was a pointless endeavor to endorse it if there was no signal from trump that he may accept it. senators hoped to set up a meeting with the vice president mike pence yesterday afternoon but that never happened. republican senator lindsey graham is still urging the senate to take the lead on this. >> the house is not going to be the center of gravity, it will be the senate. i told the president based on

doing this for a while that the best play, sit down with a bipartisan group in the senate, see if we can meet your priorities and do what the democrats want and we can agree to. get a big vote in the senate and the house follows. >> president trump met with the bipartisan problem solvers caucus of the house yesterday. white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders said that it was a constructive meeting tweeting they listened to one another and both have a good understanding what the other wants. a group of new house members went to the senate floor looking for senate majority leader mitch mcconnell to discuss the shutdown with him but couldn't find him. >> okay, guys, we went to mitch mcconnell's office where we went to the senate. hash tag where's mitch? >> according to an analysis by the "new york times" the 800,000 federal workers that hadn't been paid during the shutdown have missed on average more than

$5,000 in wages so far. combined that's more than $200 million per work day and while the median federal salary is $77,000 about one fifth of the workers make less than 50,000. many said they have less than a month's worth of savings. here's how widespread the hardships have become for americans across the country. >> over a million people a day are flying. every day. nobody is checking that the system is functioning properly. >> faa aviation inspector said he and his colleagues haven't had a paycheck in weeks. >> we're asking the government to put us back to work and start paying us again. it's putting a lot of stress on the family. we don't know when our next paycheck is coming so we're paying attention to our money. >> he found a good job installing cable as a contractor. >> in order to be an independent contractor, just as it sounds, i have to be an independent

proprietor. they require an ein number. >> he applied but received this message. when he called the number as instructed -- >> it is not available at this time. normal operations will resume as soon as possible. >> here i am, looking for temporary work. >> with a masters degree and a bachelor's from the naval academy in annapolis, maryland, he's overqualified to work here in a flooring warehouse. >> i'm doingwilling to do whate can. i refuse to become a victim. >> he was furloughed from housing and urban development. >> we don't want to get so far behind that we're bleeding our savings and that's where we are right now. >> eddie and his colleagues are

mostly invisible to nil loans of people who board flights each day but their role is essential. air traffic controllers are not getting paid during the government shutdown. neither are faa safety inspectors. >> as of today we're fine. but if there was a safety event today the people that would review that have been furloughed. >> faa say 2,200 inspectors will be back on the job at the end of this week but won't get paid until the government is fully re-opened. >> my daughter means everything. she's the reason why i push every single day. >> in the meantime she uses snap bests or food stamps. in the middle of a government shutdown the defendant agriculture will give out food stamps for february but funding for march and beyond is uncertain. >> i'm very concerned because if it does dry up i don't know how i'll get food. >> there's days i'm choosing, okay i can't make it in today because i have to pull weed for

a family member to make $20, $30 for it was so i can take my oldest son to therapy. >> he wants to work and provide for his family. >> i love being a correctional officer. right now it's affecting my son. 28 days after president trump proclaimed quote we have defeated isis in syria by only reason for being there sadly four americans are now dead following an attack which isis is claiming responsibility for. two u.s. service members, one defense department civilian and one contractor supporting that department of defense were all killed. three other u.s. service members were injured. the single deadliest day for american force in syria. u.s. officials say they were part of a team conducting a routine patrol at the time in the northern city of nanbij. the following shows the moment of the attack and it is highly disturbing. a kurdish security official

tells nbc news the patrol was approached by a man wearing civilian clothing that had explosives hidden underneath. the explosion took place outside of a restaurant where u.s. troops routinely eat. president trump has not yet tweeted on the attack. however hours afterwards isis did claim responsibility for it. vice president mike pence had this to say in a speech to diplomats in washington. >> thanks to the leadership of this commander-in-chief and courage and sacrifice of our armed forces, we're now actually able to begin hand off the fight against isis in syria to our coalition partners and we're bringing our troops home. the caliphate has crumbled and isis has been defeated. >> all right. so meanwhile shortly after the attack president trump did hold a meeting at the white house with members of his national security team and select republican senators and afterwards senator rand paul tweeted he has never been

prouder of president donald trump. in today' meeting he stood up for a electronic american and stood vastly aposed to foreign wars. putting america first means victory in afghanistan. >> brian meade tweeted perfect timing for this tweet. right after four of our guys get killed as isis celebrates our ill-timed exit. nothing like high fiving a pre-9/11 approach to fighting terror. senator lindsey graham also said that he recently went to that restaurant in manbji where that attack occurred and offered up this warning. >> my concern by statements made by president trump is that you set in motion enthusiasm by the enemy we're fighting. any time a president does

something that people on the ground are rattled by usually comes back to bite us. this is the beginning of what happened in iraq. isis claimed responsibility. if true that shows that they are not defeated and they have been emboldened. my advice to the administration i under why you want to re-evaluate our footprint every where, it makes sense but take this as a warning sign of what could be coming. >> democratic senators are demanding answers after "the washington post" reported that president trump took his interpreter's notes after meeting with vladimir putin and instructed the interpreter not to share anything with any other administration officials. senators bob menendez and jack reed have sent a letter to the white house requesting confirmation that president trump properly preserve all records of his communications with the russian president. quote your insistence on secrecy related to helps interactions with our own staff is alarming,

unprecedented. the senators requested that the white house permit congress to interview the interpreters who were present at those meetings. meanwhile the kremlin struck back at the "new york times" report that federal investigators looked at whether president trump was, in fact, a russian asset. bloomberg quotes top russian officials mock the claims that trump has been working on russia's behalf. that's stupid top russian official. having the president of the united states be an agent of another country, just think about that. foreign minister sergei lavrov accused the american news outlets for lowering their journalism standards. lavrov denounced u.s. lawmakers for challenging what he described as trump' right to conduct foreign policy, quote,

this right is under attack from congress and this doesn't make these attacks constitutional or less illegal. senate republicans on wednesday fought off the democrats attempt to hold off roll back of russian sanctions. sanctions against oleg deripaska will be lifted to reduce oleg deripaska's stake in aluminum giant and two linked companies. oleg deripaska has emerged in russian investigation for ties to paul manafort who wording to "the washington post" agreed to give the oligarch private briefings as he chaired kaine chairman. there was a $10 million loan from oleg deripaska wrote, how do we use to get whole? 11 republican senators joined all the democrats except one who did not vote for a tally of 57-42 falling just three votes

short of that 60 vote threshold to advance the measure to keep the sanctions in place. "washington post" columnist wrote, very disappointing to see mitt romney did not vote to maintain sanctions on a russian oligarch, so close to paul manafort. joining me now reporter for "the washington post," eugene scott live in washington, d.c. let's talk a little bit about the government shutdown and efforts to end. it. we have some democrats and republicans going for a bipartisan effort to bring to it an end but they seem to be falling short. why are they falling? >> reporter: it seems like a significant lack of communication. sarah huckabee sanders responded to the meeting yesterday said this was an opportunity for each side to listen to one another and understand what they want. if that's where we are at this point more than three weeks in where people are coming around to knowing what the other side wants those are very elementary steps and something that many people on the receiving end of this shutdown would have

advanced by now. obviously, both sides has values and priorities that their base is promoting and wants their representatives to advocate for in washington and they are sticking to that. we'll see if that changes that right now there's no suggestion that it will any time soon. >> let's switch gears and talk about foreign policy. you have the president reiterating his position to pull troops out of injury, even rand paul praising that, one of the president's own party that's celebrating that decision. it comes just hours after troops were killed in syria. in fact, even claimed isis was no longer a threat in syria. you heard the vice president declare isis was defeated. is this instance exactly what former defense secretary jim mattis alluded to in his resignation or where do we go from here when you hear the president claim isis is defeated? >> reporter: this is what mattis was alluding to. you have people affiliated with

think tanks calling the president's decision reckless and premature. isis their influence and power has significantly decreased since 2015 but doesn't mean they are defeated. as recently as november there was an attack that we think was affiliated with the islamic state in eastern syria that killed dozens. in iraq there's been an increase of assassinations and kidnappings and so the idea that isis is completely dead and perhaps the u.s. should not be as involved in their defeat is just one that doesn't have the support of think tanks and scholars and researchers and department officials more knowledgeable of this issue than the president himself. >> certainly those that are spending time on the ground as well. thank you very much. still ahead what the white house now saying about republican congressman steve king's recent remarks about white supremacy. plus a win of sorts for british prime minister theresa may just one day after parliament overwhelmingly

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survived a no confidence vote in parliament yesterday that could have set the stage for her leaving power. the 325-306 came one day after parliament defeated the brexit deal struck with the eu. may previously survived a no confidence vote back in december days after postponing a vote in parliament on her brexit deal. yesterday may said that the brexit referendum had quote divided our nation in half. we dearly need to bring our country back together. with that let's switch topics and bring in bill karins for a quick check on your forecast. >> huge storm into california overnight. winds gusting up to 90 miles per hour in the mountains. blizzard conditions in the central portions of the sierra nevada range. we have a couple of flash flood warnings for burn scar areas. heaviest rains shifted south to monterrey. now heading towards santa

barbara. this will kick down to los angeles. if you notice in the mountainous areas they are getting plastered with a lot of heavy wet snow. as far as the storm alert, blizzard warnings, storm warnings, these red boxes in here. these are flash flood warnings. this will transition down to los angeles. today is when we finish up with california. then the storm will be on the move. let's get into 8:00 a.m. friday. snow breaks out in the central plains. as the storm intensifies by friday evening snowing in omaha, des moines towards the quad cities. the storm isn't that strong. by saturday it strengthens. looks like interstate 70 northward in between st. louis, chicago, cleveland, pittsburgh, areas of central new york and central pennsylvania heavy snow by saturday night. sunday morning icy mess in areas of southern portions of new england. here's how the snow portion of this, this is how i see it.

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welcome back, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin alongside louis burgdorf. it's the bottom of the hour. let's start with the morning's top stories. president trump boasts he knows the art of the deal but privately asking aides why he can't get one in the shutdown.

with every poll showing americans holding the president responsible the "new york times" reports president trump has told top aides he believes over time the country will not remember the shutdown but it will remember that he staged a fight over his insistence that the southern border be protected. privately the president is worried. quote we're getting crushed trump told mick mulvaney after watching summaries and coverage of the shutdown. why can't we get a deal? "the washington post" notes that trump is a proud counter puncher. but when it comes to house speaker nancy pelosi he's pulled back on his judge. the president believes she would help protect him from impeachment and because he considers her more reasonable than other democrats. privately one adviser said trump complained about the quotes he reads from pelosi but impressed by her political savvy.

in the words of democratic congresswoman, anna eshoo, he's just untethered. nancy pelosi is calling on president trump to reschedule his state of the union address over security concerns. she made her concerns yesterday. she suggested the president could deliver the speech in writing. the speaker says the shutdown has put strains on both the secret service and department of homeland security, raising questions over the security planning that goes into the annual address. homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen refuted nancy pelosi's claim tweeting her department and the secret service are fully prepared to support and secure the state of the union. a spokesperson for the house speaker said she was motivated to make the request after her office was contacted by a furlough dhs employee. that employee expressed serious concerns that the department has insufficient staffing levels to

sufficiently manage the security needs for the address due to furloughs of critical staff. pelosi was asked further about the motivation behind her request yesterday. >> do you hope he sees this as a consequence of the government shutdown? >> this is a house keeping matter in the congress of the united states so we can honor the responsibility of the invitation we extended to the president. >> republican lawmakers were swift to condemn the call by speaker pelosi for the president to delay his state of the union. take a listen. >> it is not a security issue. that's politics and you know it. it's pure politics and it's wrong. it's unbecoming of a speaker to do this. >> we can come to the senate if mrs. pelosi done want him to come to the house. i just think that sort of tactic is making things worse. the problem here and i'm not just speaking of speaker pelosi

and president trump. we just got too many people in this city who are drunk on certainty and virtue. >> now the democrat on the senate judiciary committee is raising doubt whether she will vote for gamation of william barr. dianne feinstein said she would not vote to confirm barr unless he commits to releasing mueller's report on his investigation to the public. now during the first day of his confirmation barr said he did not believe that mueller's final report was required to be made public. during yesterday's proceedings, feinstein praised barr's answers about mueller understanding the need for independence and importance of protecting the justice department along with mueller from potential interference. she stressed the nominee's description of what he would do with the special counsel's final report was confusing, adding that the public needs to see it with exception of national

security concerns and adding that there shouldn't be much redaction. coming up on "morning joe" the national urban league marc morial will discuss his opposition to barr's nomination. >> last night president trump's personal lawyer rudy giuliani made a major walk back of statements about russian involvement in the trump campaign. giuliani says his claim of no collusion only applied to the president a statement that seems to even contradict what the president was saying on saturday. >> everybody knows there was no collusion whatsoever, they won't find collusion. i was a better candidate than hillary clinton. >> i never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. >> yes you have. >> i have not. i said the president of the united states. there's not a single bit of evidence the president of the united states committed the only crime you could commit conspired with the russians to hack the dnc. >> joining me again, eugene

scott. let's pick up on that last southern bite. a bit of a head scratcher. rudy giuliani stands on potential collusion in the trump campaign. talk to us about these comments. are these type of comments helping fuel the mueller investigation or is fwgiuliani going off script because he sees something happening? >> reporter: it's helping to fuel the investigation. it's an investigation into the possibility of collusion between the campaign. and russia, during the 2016 presidential election. statements like this are why so many americans want to see the investigation continue, despite the president and his team calling it a witch-hunt and suggesting that nothing happened. when you say things like that, what rudy giuliani said and leaving holes in there that lead to followup questions people want to know more and they need to know more. this is a threat that our intelligence agencies told us could continue to be a athlete our country as we move forward in future elections. >> definitely caught people

offguard to hear giuliani say that. let's talk about the government shutdown for a moment. this kind of impasse between house leadership and president before the state of the union address somewhat unprecedented, no? >> yeah. that's also because this entire shutdown is unprecedented. we're seeing responses to a situation that we just never have been in before. you know, the state of the union address does not have to be delivered in person. i believe it was 1986 after the challenger explosion when the president ronald reagan did not deliver a state of the union address. that's a completely different situation. pelosi said it was a security concern. obviously her critics think politics were involved. at the end of the day what we want to see american people, media and voters included is just a resolution to this very real issue related to the shutdown that's affecting so many people even beyond employees. >> i think the baseline people want to see a functioning government not one that's

shutdown. we'll see you in a little bit on "morning joe". "washington post" reports president trump could officially announce he's holding an expected second summit with north korea's kim jong-un as early as tomorrow according u.s. to and asian diplomats. this comes as secretary of state mike pompeo is reportedly set to host his north korean counterpart in washington for talks tomorrow. cho is expected to deliver a letter to president trump from the north korean leader. trump said he and kim quote fell in love due to the beautiful letters kim sends him. the administration has not announced the north korean's envie visit. vietnam is likely the venue for the second summit. last time trump met with cho at the white house he rushed administration officials out to announce he'll be in fact meeting with kim. this comes as vice president mike pence yesterday told a group of diplomats in washington that north korea has not taken

any quote concrete steps to dismantle the nuclear weapons that threaten our people and our allies which stands in contrast to trump's claims. u.s. military weigh concerns over potential recruits. and the space force comes to life. sort of. hollywood star bringing the new military branch to life on the small screen. plus bill karins is back with details on a major snowstorm making its way across the country. stay with us. us

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related push to target thousands of green card holders was blocked by a judge in federal court last year. the new policy which is still in development is likely to screen thousands of recruits per year who have what the pentagon considers foreign nexus risks including some americans who marry a foreign spouse or who have family members with dual u.s. citizenship. any recruits the pentagon flags for the screening will not are allowed to attend training until they are cleared in the process. reportedly that could take days or even much longer. let's switch gears. space force is coming soon to netflix. actor steve carell and greg daniels are reuniting for a netflix series inspired by president trump's call for a space force to maintain quote american dominance in space. the workplace comedy will center around the people tasked with figure out what exactly that means. a release date has not yet been

announced but for all "the office" fans out there i think it will be huge. still ahead, we'll get a check on your weather with nbc meteorologist bill karins. he joins us now with a look at that storm moving from the west coast into the east. >> a lot of people are trying to figure out their plans for the upcoming weekend. some people are trying to see if they can cancel their flights or change their flights. significant airport cancellations and delays especially new york city up to boston, hartford, providence, albany, beautiful, syracuse included. let's get into the stormy details. worst of the weather in the entire country is heading towards santa barbara. this is the area down towards malibu that we had the woolsey fire. this is torrential rain moving into that region. we'll watch this as it heads down to that area. couple of flash flood warnings and a couple of flood warnings. blizzard warnings. wind advisories. high surf advisories.

flash flood watches. it's a mess throughout much of california. travel is difficult to say the least. let's get into the snowfall forecast. highest impacts are in areas of new england and ohio valley. still plowable snow through iowa and illinois. indianapolis you could get your second storm in a week. chicago about three inches or so. st. louis not as much as the last one. we are worried about ice in southern portions of ohio. north of i-70 is the best chance for snow. cleveland and towards columbus. here's the real bull's eye area from albany from the mass pike upwards up towards northern new england. 18 plus inches of snow. saturday night through sunday. footprint goes from burlington to syracuse to buffalo to rochester, northern portions of pennsylvania. the area of i-95 gets very difficult. it's a front end dump of snow and then goes over to sleet and freezing rain. here's one of our computer model, the european model

telling us the amount of sleet and freezing rain combination. this area in here the pink and red half an inch to three quarters inch of ice. ice storm possibility if you live in these areas there's positive losing power with this storm. that's of great concern on sunday for many reasons. i know there's a lot of patriots fans in new england that are concerned about losing power and not being able to watch their football game on sunday. . heat is a bigger priority. depends how big of a football fan you are. >> when the pats play everything is on the table. another possible democratic presidential hopeful hits the road as their team hits the road. and prosecutors launching a criminal probe into huawei for sealing trade secrets. that and other business stories driving your business day. ll whe something to sell.

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>> former democrat senator beto o'rourke set out across the country. o'rourke's team are in the preliminary hiring stage for a grassroots presidential campaign. he's not yet declared his intent to run politico reports that he's leaning in that direction. former new york city mayor michael bloomberg is planning a return to new hampshire.

bloomberg is set to visit the early primary state on january 29th as he mulls a bid for the white house. then ohio senator sherrod brown who set a time frame whether or not to run for president. he plans to make a final decision in march, following his own visits to early primary states. let's turn to business. at the center of growing trade tensions between the u.s. and china, electronics giant huawei is now reportedly the focus of a federal criminal probe for alleged stealing of trade secrets. cnbc has more. >> reporter: good morning. the plot thickens here. it's the latest in a series of lawsuits against huawei. this latest one is that they are being investigated over claims they stole technology from t-mobile to test microphone technology. previously a jury found them guilty of stealing robotic technology from t-mobile. it's coming at a time when the u.s. has banned the company from

selling its telecommunications equipment in the u.s. on intellectual property grounds. huawei denies doing anything wrong. they also say they are an independent company and have nothing to do with the state, . that is a story we're monitoring very closely. another tech story we're monitoring is that of apple. tim cook released an investor letter warning of slowing smartphone sales on the back of weaker deer mann eer demand and slowing hiring going forward. they haven't specified which units in particular, but it does give you the reflection of a company that is getting a little bit concerned about the future. >> and microsoft is poised to help the city of seattle address its growing housing crisis with a loan of up to $500 million. how soon does the company plan to invest this money? >> what's interesting about the microsoft story is they're not

technically based in seattle but they have announced to pledge $500 million in loans to help with affordable housing. $250 million will go to developers and $250 million to consumers at low interest rates. it's the largest pledge for the company in history and coming at a very profitable time for microsoft and it's in direct contrast to amazon. >> and also an interesting time for you guys in the u.k., a vote of no confidence for theresa may and brexit. how are you guys holding up over there? >> we're not really holding up. we just live from day to day and hope for the best. that's the best we can do right now. >> sounds like the way we do it here. thank you so much. >> coming up, a look at this

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welcome back, everyone. joining me here on set with a looks at axios a.m., nicholas johnson here with the "1 big thing." >> today's "1 big thing" is trump's virtual reality. he has a tendency to blurt things out in meetings leaving

reporters to scramle ble if thi are real. these are proposals he hasn't followed through. leaving world trade organization, there's a big challenge for reporters to figure out are these just ideas he's tossing out there. >> what about the ones he follows through on. >> there was one where he said he wanted to pull u.s. diplomatic staff out of south korea. the south was worried the north koreans would see that as a prelude to war. wto, wanted to draw out of that. but we're out of the paris climate accord, left the tpp, the u.s. embassy was moved from tel aviv to jerusalem. >> here's the kind of big 30,000 foot question, which is can you

tell whether some of these decisions when he makes them are thought through or are they kind of instinctual he goes by his gut? there was talk a couple of days ago he was considering withdrawing the u.s. from nato. you know, obviously that isn't shock waves through the foreign security establishment. >> these are ideas based on his instinct. and what we have to try and figure out are these ideas that then he backed off of or that then staff was able to kill. on nato, a lot of internal resistan resistance. >> are we likely to see the president go with another thing he's called for, the withdrawing of u.s. troops from afghanistan like he did in serious? >> we talked with rand paul. he wants to keep the u.s. out of afghanistan. he said trump is moving in that direction. he said he's very frustrated with the war. the president changed his mind and listened to advisers and

sent more troops to afghanistan. we could see like in syria where the president announced they'd pull out and there was debate. >> what are you hearing about in terms of the national security apparatus. are they on the same page or do you get a as soon as there are fundamental divisions on some of the core issues we talk about? >> a great way to frame that is look at syria. the president came out and said we're withdrawing and that policy has been walked by bit by bit by bit. there's definite tension there. >> the government shutdown, in new unchartered territory. >> record long. >> record long but also no end in sight. you have the speaker of the house nancy pelosi essentially selling the president please don't come to the state of the union, send it in writing. >> the white house wants to give the state of the union. the republicans on the hill are calling this a plolitical stunt. will the president did go there

and nancy pelosi bar the door? we'll see to see what happens. >> one of the senators offered that the president could come to the senate. >> or they could write it like they did in the olden days. >> imagine that. >> could do it from the white house oval office, put it on youtube and facebook. >> tweet it. >> let me get your final thoughts on all these efforts that seem to be falling flat on their face, the bipartisan problem solvers trying to do something and lindsey graham. we're not seeing any traction whatsoever. >> that's exactly right. i covered shutdown when i was a congressional reporter in my youth and this is one like i've never seen where there's no real negotiations going on behind the scenes. >> what is the way forward? >> as pain points grow, if tsa lines get really long, that's where we'll finally draw people to the negotiating table. >> always a pleasure to have you

here. >> thanks. >> to all of our viewers out there, sign up to the news letter by going to signup.axios.com. i'm ayman mohyeldin alongside louis burgdorf. "morning joe star" start right . good morning, we have jonathan lem ear, washington anchor for bbc, world news mrk katty kay and in washington, eugene scott. good to have you all on board. >> it is great to have everybody on board. mi mika, you, willie and i, we've been tough on rudy giuliani. >> well, willie special. >> it's kind of lik