>> reporter: they know nothing of the appeals. cassidy has grown. her father, her mother, snatches of memory ever farther away. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning from msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is 7:00 here in the east, 4:00 a.m. out west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." >> i am here today to break the logjam. >> not so fast. the president's plan stopped in its tracks after another national appeal rejected by both democrats and some of his die-hard supporters. shutdown day 30 dawns with no end in sight. some key dates ahead as the battle between congress and the white house escalates. economic impact behind the numbers of the shutdown and how it could be worse than expected

for the country. an inside look. a new report this morning about what really prompted robert mueller to dispute a story about michael cohen, donald trump, and the russia tower deal. new this morning, the white house and members of congress heading to another round in the political impasse that has shut down the government for 30 days now with no end in sight. a forceful and unequivocal no from democrats, rejecting president trump's new offer to end the shutdown. hardline anti-immigration advocates are decrying it as amnesty. here's the president's proposal. he wants $5.7 billion for a border wall. in return, he would lift the threat of deportation for 1 million immigrants, but only for the next three years. that includes 700,000 young immigrants brought to the u.s. as children and 300,000 with temporary protected status. >> this is not a 2,000-mile concrete structure from sea to sea. these are steel barriers in

high-priority locations. it is time to reclaim our future from the extreme voices who fear compromise and demand open borders. >> house speaker nancy pelosi declared the president's offer a nonstarter, even before his formal announcement. senate minority leader chuck schumer called it more hostage-taking. democrats condemning the president for not offering a permanent solution for immigrants whose lives are now in limbo. and this week, the economic and human pain caused by this shutdown is likely to get worse. if the government is not funded by this tuesday, 800,000 federal workers will miss their second consecutive paycheck on friday. nbc's mike viqueira joins me now from capitol hill, where i think you must have a room, because you are always there during the shutdown talking to us. but look, mike, we ask this question every day, are we any closer to an end? >> reporter: alex, you know, i guess the good news today is that there is movement after the

president's speech and all the reaction and back-and-forth yesterday. the bad news is there's movement, but it's in opposite directions. as you pointed out, democrats preemptively panning this speech, even after the speech top democrats calling it a boondoggle. one senator, senator brian schotts from hawaii, says you don't negotiate with your own vice president and your son-in-law. this is not how this works. so, dismissing it out of hand. but it's clear that republicans, including mitch mcconnell, who's largely stayed behind the scenes, as he usually does, but has not put anything on the floor that would reopen the government after the house has passed bill after bill that would do just that. he felt it was time to change the dynamic. and after a couple of days of huddling with vice president pence and the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, they came out -- the president came out, made this statement speaking in sort of the idiom of the traditional white house, direct to camera from the diplomatic room with all the trappings and solemn circumstance of the white house itself. it did not appear to work, at

least initially, although this is going to play out over a couple of days when we see what the larger public reaction is. mitch mcconnell acting in concert with the president, hitting send on a statement as soon as the president finished that said in part "everyone has made their point now. it is time to make a law. i intend to move this legislation this week." the way the senate works, alex, it's not that easy. he will need cooperation from democrats to even bring it to the floor. that does not appear to be forthcoming. for her part, nancy pelosi before the speech even happened dismissed it as a nonstarter. here's what she said in a series of tweets -- "what is original in the president's proposal is not good. what's good in the proposal is not original. democrats will vote next week to add additional border security funding for ports of entry, advanced technology for scanning vehicles for drugs, and immigration judges." and in fact, there you have it. the house and the senate are going to be working on two completely different solutions to this problem. the house once again sending the

senate so-called clean spending bills to reopen the government. mitch mcconnell has said time and time again he's not going to bring those up for the simple fact that the president isn't going to sign them. he's not going to make republican senators walk the plank and take politically risky votes. meanwhile, mitch mcconnell says he's going to be trying to take up the president's proposal. >> which by your description does not bode well for everybody getting on the same page. thank you, mike viqueira. joining me now, summers, political reporter with "associated press," lauren baron lopez, national political reporter for politico, and sean sullivan, congressional reporter with the "washington post". big good morning to you all on a sunday morning. laura, with his announcement, did the president succeed at all in shifting any of the public pressure to the democrats? i mean, which side do you think is on the defensive now? >> well, i think that that certainly was when he wanted to do. the president did this in order to turn the tables on democrats, to say that, look, i'm trying to negotiate.

are you guys going to meet me halfway? but if he were serious about negotiating, the president and other members of the administration would sit down with democrats behind closed doors to try to work out a way to get out of this shutdown. and again, this proposal that he's offering is one that democrats throughout the last year, they never wanted just a three-year relief for daca recipients. they wanted permanent relief. but the last year they were trying to work with the white house on some kind of deal for border security in exchange for relief for daca recipients, and the administration wasn't playing ball the entire last year. and when they controlled all the government, when they controlled the house on top of the senate. but now trump appears to be trying to push this new deal, it looks in order to turn the tables, try to get good press for himself. >> do you think, shawn, and juana, basically the same questions to both of you -- did the president shift any of the pressure or was this just a very transparent attempt to try to

shift blame? shawn, you first. >> well, i mean, he certainly tried to, but now you have a president who is also on defense on a number of fronts. one, he's back on defense against conservatives who don't like this compromise, and he's going to have to explain himself to members of his base in the coming days. and you know, democrats are clear when they look at this over and over again, they've said we are not budging. that hasn't changed. so we haven't seen a lot change. one thing that's interesting that has changed is mitch mcconnell, who's sort of on the sidelines of this debate, has now sort of inserted himself back a little bit. he has said we're not going to move forward on something that doesn't have democratic support and white house support. well, this doesn't appear to have any democratic support, but he's prepared to move forward on this, and that shows you the political pressure that mitch mcconnell is under to stay with the president, not stray from him, and you know, not draw a backlash from conservatives. >> juana, same question to you. blame, where does it lie right

now? >> right now there's a big game going on in washington of who's going to blink first. as the shutdown heads into its fifth week, if the government isn't funded by tuesday, there's more than 800,000 workers that you mentioned that will go again without a second paycheck. and politically, that makes this a really tough situation for those senate republicans, particularly those who are in more purple states, states with more democratic voters. they could be seeing a lot of political trouble for this. i think the question really is here, is whether or not the sides can come to any sort of agreement. i think a lot of democrats have expressed their frustration because they feel like they've been here before with this president and a lot of the things that he put on the table with the so-called olive branch are actually undoing addition decisions he made himself early in his presidency. so they don't see this as an earnest deal, but another pr approach by this president to try to put the onus on democrats for a problem and crisis they say that he has manufactured himself. >> so, we have hardline immigration conservatives who are labelling the president's offer as amnesty. you have ann coulter who tweeted, "we voted for trump and got jeb."

just this week a new poll showed the president is certainly losing support among his core supporters. so, laura, are we seeing the president trying to appeal now to a different voting group? i mean, who is the president's intended audience with this announcement yesterday? >> i think part of it was his base, but again, the president is certainly frustrated and feeling as though he's in a corner because nancy pelosi has effectively pushed the majority of the blame onto him. it's also difficult for the president not to take blame when he said that he would shortly before the shutdown took effect. so, i think that, again, he's trying to shift the narrative a bit, get some good press for himself, show that he's willing to work with democrats and that they're not being the reasonable ones by not coming to the table. but again, i'm not sure how effective that is going to be given all of the polling we've seen that has shown that a majority of americans are not happy with this shutdown and that they blame the administration for putting the

government in this place. >> so, sean, i want to get back to what you were talking about with mitch mcconnell bringing this to a vote. he says he'll do that on the senate floor this week, but does he have the votes to do that? might this turn out to be a massive debacle, because not only does he need every single republican on board, but he's got to bring seven democrats over the line. what is the likelihood of that happening? >> well, given the initial reaction from democrats, that's pretty slim right now. i mean, you know, we've seen almost all across the board right now democrats pan this idea, say look, we're not going to move forward on this. and if you're mitch mcconnell, you know, you are sort of stuck in a difficult position right now because if you don't move forward on this vote, you potentially anger the president, you anger the white house, and of course, mitch mcconnell's up for re-election this year. but now he is sort of moving forward on something, potentially, that does not really have any chance of success, and that goes against what he said he was intending to do, at least a couple weeks ago. >> okay, you just answered a

question i was going to ask you. to you, now, juana, on this one. the president made his announcement after hosting that naturalization ceremony in the oval office. what do you think the president's intended optics were by doing that? >> sure. so, this is a president who rose to success, really campaigned on this wall, but he's also known as a great negotiator. you know, donald trump is famous for "the art of the deal," and this is a deal he hasn't so far been able to make. this is one of the biggest, highest-stakes negotiations of his presidency. and i think after -- and laura's quite right that this is a shutdown he said he'd own. i think he came out for the second time this week speaking to the american people, trying to put the onus on senate democrats, making it clear to the public that he has extended an olive branch, what appears to be a compromise to many people, saying you know, i've put something out there and senate and house democrats are refusing to take it. so, it's very clear he is trying to shift the blame and shift the

responsibility for those workers for a lack of focus on border security to democrats. now, whether or not that will work is an open question. democrats, of course, would say that the president has not been an honest broker and what he's offering is unacceptable. >> sean, time's ticking, right? you've got to have this shutdown resolved, an agreement done by tuesday before another paycheck is lost for these 800,000 federal workers. what is the likelihood of that happening? let's keep in mind tomorrow is a holiday as well. >> yeah, slim to none, given the immediate pushback we've seen from democrats in the last 12 hours or so. and time is ticking. and republicans i've talked to worry that the longer this goes on, the more time that passes, the more political blame they stand to suffer. they're looking at the same polls that everybody else is. they see that the white house and congressional republicans are the ones being held culpable for this, not democrats. and so, i think that's why we're seeing the president come out there and try to come up with some sort of solution to this issue. but look, democrats are standing firm.

they've looked at the situation. they think that they are not under any pressure to budge off of their position, and they are not changing. that hasn't changed at all. we have not seen any change in the democratic position at all over the past few weeks here, and i think it reflects the dynamic, the fact that the republicans are the ones that feel they have to maneuver, they have to put new offers on the table. they have to try to resolve this. >> yeah, and these 800,000 furloughed workers are working without pay and have to tighten their belts further. juana, i want to take down to the fact that you are in des moines right now. i know you were following senator kirsten gillibrand's -- i know she's exploring the possibility of running for president here. talk about what you saw as she was interacting with iowa voters. what's their reaction to her? >> sure. so, senator gillibrand, this is her first trip to iowa. she has cast herself as someone who will fight for the children of america just as hearth as she would fight for her own two young sons, talking about being someone who values her family and working in a bipartisan

manner. one of the things i found interesting, she was asked by a voter last night in des moines about that it's easier said than done to bring two sides that are as deeply fractured as the political parties in america are together and how she'd do that as president. she said if we start from a place of common ground, that people actually believe in the same things. she said one thing all americans believe in is that we all love our kids. and if you can start from that place of togetherness, you can find a way to work together. took a lot of questions this weekend about her political views, particularly in issues where her beliefs have changed, particularly gun laws, for example. when gillibrand was elected to an upstate congressional district in '06, she had an "a" rating from the nr ank and now is one of the most liberal members of the senate. she said her heart was changed because she spoke to victims of gun violence and learned more about the issues and didn't feel there would be political risk for her among primary voters because people will see her heart and see she's learned and grown more as she's served in public life for 1 years. >> i think she has a "f" rating

from the nra now, if i'm not mistaken. >> she does. >> juana, laura and sean, good to see you all. sean, get some tea with honey, my friend, for the laryngitis. thanks, everybody. let's go now to the weather. this has been the scene over the midwest and northeast over the last 48 hours, blizzard conditions creating treacherous driving conditions, like crashes. this one you're seeing along the i-35 in minnesota. that wild weather bringing at least one tornado, in fact, in alabama yesterday afternoon, wrecking homes and churches, cars. what a mess! we've got more to come, though from this winter storm. e got moh from this winter storm >> reporter: as a system moves out, an arctic blast moves in. and the windchills will be brutal. on sunday, it will feel like minus 17 in pittsburgh. on monday, new york will feel like minus 12 and boston's windchill could be minus 13. >> bundle up, everyone. that was nbc's kathy park reporting. an inside look at the mueller team's decision to refuse that buzzfeed story.

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the report would even involve mueller, according to a new "washington post" report. joining me now, former federal prosecutor doug burns to sort all this out. doug, welcome to you and good morning. >> thank you. >> can you explain to us the importance of why mueller's name should have been mentioned in those e-mails requesting a comment, if the story was about michael cohen? is that not something that peter carr, the spokesperson, should have assumed? >> well, the key to understanding this and unraveling this, honestly, is the distinction between cohen's testimony and corroboration or information that backs it up. all of us when we saw the story saying the president directed michael cohen to lie, we all concluded, okay, michael cohen is indicating that. now, he has some credibility problems. that doesn't mean that every word he's saying isn't true, but as a shop talk matter, in criminal justice you have to corroborate or back up a witness who has pled guilty to lying. so, when we saw the next part of the story, which is two witnesses were interviewed by

mueller and documents, my goodness, because documents don't lie, people do, i said to myself, wow, that would be quite fascinating if all of that is true, and it sent up a bit of a red flag to me, okay? and so, the point is, mueller in a rare move stepped forward and disputed it. and look, it's legitimate to debate, is he really saying the whole thing's wrong or not. it's going to come out as we analyze it more. >> we talked about that all day yesterday. is it the whole thing? is it part of it? >> exactly. >> interestingly, the source is also telling the "washington post" that the deputy attorney general's office called to inquire if the special counsel planned any kind of response. so, what does mueller's office publicly disputing a report on an ongoing investigation and then rod rosenstein's office inquiry, what does that tell you about the severity of this report? >> it's a great question, because the point is, you heard the head of buzzfeed, alex, saying wait a minute, mr. mueller, please step forward, please clarify exactly what you're contending is wrong. that's not going to happen. >> oh, no. >> because in law enforcement,

they have every right all the time to say ongoing investigation. >> right. >> et cetera. but back to your initial question. if a reporter's going to give doj a heads-up about an article, obviously, they have to indicate, you know, a little bit more specifically about what they're going to write. was the beef that mueller felt? the other point i heard made, which is interesting, is that with a new attorney general coming in, william barr, you know, he may -- mueller may have felt that the new attorney general would call him in and say wait a minute, you never responded to this article, so he may have done it because he felt he had to. >> okay. here's the full statement from peter carr, the spokesperson for the special counsel. here's how it reads -- "buzzfeed's description of specific statements to the special counsel's office and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office regarding michael cohen's congressional testimony are not accurate." does this statement, then, doug, in any way indicate past reports have been accurate? because there was no refuting from the special counsel's office. >> yeah, no, i've heard that point made and it's an interesting one, which is, okay,

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day 30 of the government shutdown. president trump offered a deal yesterday but democrats refused his demand for nearly $6 billion for a wall at the u.s./mexico border. kelly o'donnell has more from the white house. >> reporter: president trump hosted a naturalization ceremony, swearing in five new americans in the oval office. >> you are now officially united states citizens. >> reporter: and with a new offer, he made government shutdown negotiations a national tv event.

>> i'm here today to break the logjam. >> reporter: the president pledging new support for a long-held priority for democrats, legal protection for certain immigrants. >> this is a common-sense compromise both parties should embrace. >> reporter: the white house offer would extend legal status for an estimated 700,000 young, undocumented immigrants and another 300,000 refugees from war-torn or disaster-ravaged nations whose status will expire. >> this extension will give them access to work permits, social security numbers and protection from deportation. >> reporter: the compromise would come with a price for democrats, emboldened by their political base to oppose funding the president's border wall, but president trump's demand remains $5.7 billion over five years. >> the radical left can never control our borders. i will never let it happen.

>> reporter: house speaker nancy pelosi issued a statement calling the president's offer unacceptable and a non-starter, as she insists the government must reopen before border negotiations. pelosi writes "the president has taken pride in shutting government. now he must take action to open up government." without a breakthrough, another hardship looms. tuesday at midnight is the payroll deadline for 800,000 federal workers who would miss another check. vice president mike pence reacted to early criticism of the proposal, rebuffing conservative opposition. mr. pence told me and other reporters the extension of legal status for qualified immigrants is not an amnesty bill. and for democrats who demand permanent protections for those groups, the vice president said this offer would provide three years of certainty as a compromise. now, strategically, the white house says it hopes that a

shutdown-wary public will call congress and encourage senate democrats especially to vote for this plan when it comes to a vote on tuesday. senate republican leader mitch mcconnell has told the white house he will bring the proposal up for a vote, and the white house is hoping public pressure will help end the impasse. alex? >> well, we'll see what happens, kelly o'donnell. thank you for that. joining me now to discuss it all, democratic strategist joel payne, democratic strategist ateama omara, co-founder of all in together lauren leader and former spokesperson for the california republican party, jen kerns. thank you for getting up with me early. jen, i'll reach out to you first here. how is what the president did yesterday anything more than a political stunt? because if he had a new proposal, why not bring it straight to democrats, rather than make such a meal of it all, bringing up the same old stuff? we heard about drugs and rapists. i mean, some are calling this political grandstanding. >> well, look, there was some serious policy considerations in the president's announcement

yesterday, including the $800 million for humanitarian assistance, which i thought was a good start. he has set into place answering some of the questions that the democrats have been posing to him, which are what about something more than a wall? how about some scanning for, you know, drug detection, smuggling detection, which he has put into the plan. you also have him increasing the number of immigration judges. that would certainly help the logjam there at the border. it would help the separation of family issues that democrats seem to care so much about. and look, i think it was really interesting that the president came back to the table and actually offered this. nancy pelosi has been nowhere to be seen, has not come back to the table on this. >> jen, i get what you're saying, and a lot of this stuff he is now implementing ideas the democrats have proposed, and maybe there is an acquiescence to a degree, but why not go straight to the democrats? why put up this -- what was it, 13-minutes long? we're all waiting, it's 3:00,

it's 4:00, a big tweet. was that grandstanding? wouldn't it have been more effective to go to the democrats and say let's get it done? i'm the big deal-maker, let's get it done? >> he is the deal-maker, the master of the art of the deal. >> really? are you still calling him the art of the deal master right now? >> listen, don't hate the player, hate the game. >> alex, this is too early. this is making me laugh. >> oh, god. >> no, you cannot blame the president for wanting to go in there and share this directly with the american people. >> they're not negotiating with anyone -- >> information -- >> look, we have a couple people who do want to either blame the president or react to it. joel, you first. >> yeah. i mean, number one, what would help stop ending the policy of separating families is if the president would stop separating families and putting kids in cages at the border. >> oh, like barack obama did in 2013-2014. got you. >> that's number one. number two -- good morning. good morning, jen. hi. number two, you know, the president should actually

consult his secretary of xenophobia, ann coulter, because he doesn't have necessarily a problem on the left. democrats do want to make a deal. that's why they voted to reopen the government nine times. it's his republican base that doesn't want to deal on the shutdown, they don't want a deal on immigration because it's not about actually fixing immigration. it's about installing a mean-spirited, ugly, nasty policy that separates families, that goes to a republican base that's shrinking. that's all that this is about. >> there is nothing mean-spirited about the president's proposal which actually puts into place 50,000 additional beds so children don't have to sleep on floors and cages like they did during the barack obama administration. >> guys, i want to bring into the conversation what my colleague, mike viqueira, did. he was speaking with tim kaine before trump's announcement. here's what he said. >> look, reopen government, and then that is a very -- there will be something to talk about in a proposal like that.

but i believe first reopen government. so, i hope what he's going to say is i'm going to reopen government and i'm willing to entertain this, let's sit down and talk. >> lauren, the democrats dismissed the president oo's proposal before the speech. might that be a risky move? might democrats appear to be just as unwilling to compromise as they accuse the president of being? >> well, the polls don't seem to bear that out. but i think, look, at the end of the day, that's the whole question about deal or no deal. it is sort of ridiculous. the vice president and jared kushner, and particularly the president, have not actually done the work on the hill, which is the standard work that you do if you are actually trying to make a deal that passes. the bill that they are now talking about is not going to pass. i mean, mitch mcconnell knows it's not going to pass, which then, there's sort of political calculus to sort of put this back on democrats. and my colleague a minute ago said it, it's true, that democrats have, in fact, passed a spending bill. they've passed nine times a bill to reopen the government. they had a bill on january 18th that went to the president,

which everyone expected he was going to sign. even mitch mcconnell was caught off guard when the president said suddenly he was going to attach all the border wall stuff to it. the way washington works is not by press conference. >> right. >> and the president has tried repeatedly to manipulate public opinion in order to make policy, and that's not how it works. these are extraordinarily complex issues. we've been working on it, trying to work on immigration reform for the better part of the last decade. we forget that president bush, who by the way, won over 30% of the hispanic vote because of his sincere and meaningful commitment to trying to create a better immigration system that recognized the hardship of hard-working families who want to come to america and make it better and make a better life for themselves. he had real support on both sides, and even he wasn't able to make a deal. so, to try to do this under duress with the government shut down, holding 800,000 workers hostage, is outrageous. and by the way, it is worth noting that last night the president did not say one word about the hardships that these poor families are facing.

>> that's true. he never once referred -- >> so that tells you where the value in this process is. it's heartbreaking. >> look, atima, democrats have been taking this stance, that funding a border wall would be immoral. however, back in early 2018, the democrats were willing to trade $25 billion in border wall funding for a path to citizenship for the dreamers. >> that's a lot less than $500 billion -- >> how can they justify their current assertion of a moral high ground when 11 months ago it really wasn't a question of morality? >> well, good that you brought that up, actually, alex, because it was $25 billion for border security for 10 to 14 years of a path to citizenship for daca recipients, right? he turned that down. he agreed to it first, initially. trump agreed to it first. then he turned it down after talking to his immigration -- >> who was he talking to? and don't you think if he looks back at this, he's saying, wow, why didn't i accept that? >> well, he turned it down because of his immigration hawk and, you know, deputy secretary of xenophobia, stephen miller,

right? he turned that down. then dhs asked for a certain amount, i think up to $10 million, specifically senate appropriations was like, okay, here's your $10 billion that you want, and then trump said that still wasn't good enough. so you know, to concern troll, which is basically what he's doing, especially after being the king of we don't want immigrants in this country, let's end birthright citizenship, the caravans are coming, all of that lead-up to the election. now for him to say i'll give you temporary protection for daca recipients, which we had at one point -- >> we had it already. >> -- temporary protection for temporary protected status, people who are already supposed to be under temporary protected status because of the status of their nations. and then to say on top of that, i'm going to also give you back government workers, i'm going to open the government if you give me my $5.7 billion, and that's absolutely ridiculous. it's literally, he's holding these people hostage for $5.7 billion, but he's been offered deals before in the past that he has turned down. >> you just described the perfect negotiation and just proved my point.

>> $5.7 billion of taxpayers' money. oh, gosh, i thought mexico was going to be paying for that. >> yeah, also that, too. >> joel, to you. 800,000 people right now are on the cusp of missing another paycheck because of this. in the big picture, does anyone have the moral high ground here? how does anyone justify playing games like this when you've got 800,000 innocent people pretty much playing the pawn here? >> look, i've worked in government a long time, and people don't tend to separate out washington from washington. they tend to see it as a pox on everybody's houses. but in this case, the president has stepped out in front and said i own this shutdown. and you see the poll numbers reflect it and you see, frankly, how the congressional leaders around him are pushing this back on the president. mitch mcconnell drove this compromise yesterday because he's got members that are getting savaged out there. and so, i actually think that the president is taking on a lot of water from this terrible policy, and i think what you saw yesterday is a really feeble attempt for him to try to push

the responsibility off from himself and from his white house onto democrats. i don't think it's going to work. >> hey, alex -- >> it's completely 100% manufactured crisis -- >> he's not taking on that much water. i'll tell you this, as someone who has lived and died by the poll numbers at ballot box the last 15 years, he has lost exactly 2% to 3% over the last three days over the government shutdown. i do believe, and this might be controversial to say, i believe it is possible the shutdown could go to for 65 or 70 days with donald trump losing only about 5% to 7% in the polls -- >> and you're comfortable with that, jen. >> i didn't say i'm comfortable with it, and i'm not comfortable with people going without paychecks, but here's what i do know. the american people have now seen that the government is still functioning with 85% of them furloughed -- >> no, it's not. are you kidding? >> and that's not a good day at the office for nancy pelosi -- >> 100% manufactured crisis by donald trump, and he is trying to hold additional folks hostage

for some deal that is not even going to be acceptable if you're not considering actually giving permanent protections to these people, which ihae stripped protections from to begin with. it's absolutely absurd. >> the government may be functioning at a 75% threshold, but we are coming up going to talk about the economy and how that may suffer, and that is nothing that donald trump wants to have in his ownership. >> absolutely. >> that's for sure. >> agree. >> listen, great to talk with all four of you this morning. thank you so much. good to see you. not only are the furloughed federal workers feeling the pain from the government shutdown, but as i was saying, we could all feel it fairly soon. n.minim. they seem to be the very foundation of your typical bank. capital one is anything but typical. that's why we designed capital one cafes. you can get savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums. and one of america's best savings rates. to top it off, you can open one from anywhere in 5 minutes. this isn't a typical bank.

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decent, kind soul. >> part of what makes john humble is that he knows who he is, and he knows that he has sacrificed for greater good, so what else does he have to prove? >> reporter: although he still carries his scars of the days in the movement, lewis is willing to engage with those who hurt him. >> one of the klans member who beat us in south carolina came to this office many years later and said, mr. lewis, i've been a member of the klan. i'm one of the people that beat you. but i want to apologize. will you forgive me? his son started crying. he started crying. and i cried with them. it is the power the way of peace, the way of love, the power of the philosophy of nonviolence. [ applause ] >> thank you, brother. >> good to see you. >> he epitomizes what the nonviolent movement's all about. it's about soul force.

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now. ron, what did you think about what the president said? do you agree? >> the economy so far is in fine shape although there are sign z that certain sectors are slowing down. housing has slowed considerably. auto sales look like they have peaked and are beginning to roll over. and there are sectors of the economy that are struggling through the trade war with china. the agricultural community and others who export to that country have been suggesting that they are having some difficulty. but by and large, the economy is fine right now. the global economy is also slowing. >> and we have full year 2018 gdp report due out on the 30th. there are concerns that the shutdown will prevent staffers from even releasing that report. but more importantly, trump's great claim has been grow gdp. can the shutdown affect that and if so how? >> absolutely. the shutdown right now is cutting one tenth of a percent off gdp every week. there are some forecasters suggesting that the current quarter if it goes on much longer could actually turn

negative. and the next monthly jobs report could be negative as well which would break a 99 month treatment of job gains in the economy. granted once the government is back up and running, that will start to unwind itself and maybe figure are more strongly into future numbers. but it is an impact not just on those that are furloughed and much sympathy that goes out to them, but government suppliers are impacted as well. >> absolutely a domino effect. we have key dates. january 259 is tth is the next day, january 30th the gdp report, that will be affected if no easy are solution. federal workers go he without another paycheck this week. what kind of options do they have to try to help them make ends meet in. >> it is hard for those recalled or you look at tsa workers who cannot file for unemployment insurance benefits because they have a job. and the 50,000 that the

president recalled can't file for -- >> let me double check on unemployment. if they file and then they get their jobs, they have to pay back that which they got, right? so that is why a lot are saying what is a problem. >> yeah, rather wait for my catch-up pay to come in. but we've seen lines for food banks in washington, d.c. because as many people do, they live pay check to paycheck, and as a consequence, they can't afford the basic necessities if that money is not coming in as it is supposed to. >> i want to switch gears to taxes. alexandria ocasio-cortez, we call her aoc, she is pushing her top tax rate of 70% and there is new polling from the hill as well as harris x, it shows americans actually favor it 59% to 41%. and what is even more surprising is that the number of republicans surveyed, 45% actually support this too. so is her plan not so radical

after all? >> in the long history of u.s. taxation and we've seen higher ton marginal rates as high as 90% if you go far enough back into the 1950s and 60s. and that applies in her case to the 10th millionth dollar made. so that is $10 million and above. marginal rates kick in at different income levels as you go up the scale. it is not entirely radical. i'm not sure how effective or efficient it would be. there aare plenty of ways to ge around paying that type of text for ultra wealthy people, a variety of different trusts that you can use, a whole host of vehicles and tax avoidance schemes that are perfectly legal that would keep you from having to pay that. so the question about how much revenue it raises will be an open one. it may not be as radical in the history of u.s. tax rates, but whether or not it is effective is another question. >> and on stocks which have moved higher despite all of in, where does that stand, what is

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simple. easy. awesome. i'll see you again at noon. stay right where you are because it is time for "up" with david gura. ♪ this is "up." as the government shutdown continues, the president puts his cards on the table. >> i promised i would fix this crisis. and i intend to keep that promise one way or the other. >> but democrats reject the offer before the president speaks. they remain opposed to negotiation you can the president reopens the government. >> a president who has not had the common decency