are from veen anus situation. >> it will be a part problem. >> the fact is president trump must stop holding the american people hostage and creating a crisis. >> first that call to postpone the state of the union and the forced post penment of a delegation. >> do you view this as retaliation? >> i would hope not. i don't think the president would be that petty, do you. >> hoping that the president would end the shutdown that is now the 30th day. >> this is not a solid structure from sea to sea. >> these are steel barriers in high priority locations. it is time to reclaim our future

from the forces that fear compromise and stick to open borders. >> $5.7 billion for border wall and lift the threat of deportation of daca for the next three years. democrats rejected that proposal, quote, it was the president who single handedly took away daca and tps protections. offering some protections back is not a compromise but more hostage taking. with me, democratic strategist and cal perr and correspondent. i'll start with you. something we could have saw where he listed a lot of things

that have been talked about. >> i have committed vast swaves of that to memory. so far, it's reality as trump defines reality, which is unreal. the odd thing is that the wall has been totenic. even this compromise, or a compromise by one half of the negotiating table. even in a normal world might be the sort of thing democrats would go for because he made the wall so totemic and means so much more than how he is defining it. if there are structures you could take video on promises made, promises kept, democrats are not going to say yes. >> let's play with

interplantarry communication. it hasn't been working out that well. republicans didn't know what the president was going to say until he said what he said. there was a conference call after the speech. democrats issued a statement before hand. that didn't happen. what do you make about the total and complete break down in communication in washington, d.c. >> it is all a hot mess. we are seeing the president in a way that he behaved. they don't even know what the guy is going to do and can't plan accordingly. in terms of being a communication break down. we have the president of the united states right now essentially holding americans hostage. these workers are about to go into the second paycheck he's going to miss. he's holding 800,000 people

hostage to his desire to have some really, really racist wall. that is what we need to communicate is that is where we have with the state of affairs. >> as i listened to the president yesterday, i heard the most realistic vision of what the wall looks like or what it would look like. >> it is not really a wall. >> it is not sea to shining sea. >> i few this through fox news world and i think the president is living in fox news world. i think it has been, well the president has lost ground. that meeting was a little embarrassing. the art of the deal is really the art of presenting how the deal came about. things we would say very straight ford. he dropped s hole countries and

blew it all up a year ago. this is a man who is compromising. those bottom four things of things he said he was going to carry out are things the border needs. needs more judges and personnel. 75 new immigration judges. these kids were waiting for months. i spent a day sitting in this federal court. it is a joke. he's rewrapped it in this art of the trump deal. fox news going to say all week, the ownness is back on them. >> that system as it was backed up is even more backed up. >> it is a skreeching halt. children have forgotten about the children and the families who need to be reunited. he is the person who ended daca

and tps. the central american minors thing. i'm this grand officer like the emperor in the wizard of oz. offering refugee asylum. here is a news flash, we had that. last year in 2018, he stopped that. what are you offering? something you already took away? >> it is the art of the deal. >> he tries to take status for vietnam he's refugees. what he's offering is an anticipation of what the courts are going to rule anyways. and targeting on the backs of daca young people. he is literally saying i'm going to maybe let these kids stay here a little longer if you give me what i want. >> the courts have already given that time.

>> exactly. and no guarantee what will happen after three years. no deal. >> can you convince you that the fox news feedback loop will never change. he says it is brilliant. he watches it. he backs off the kids in cages policy although it is worse than we ever knew. there is some injection of reality. where do we get the injection that moves it. i'm worried it is going to be, say, an airport crash. if we hit tuesday, that is another paycheck missed. i've worked inside of federal government. i have furloughed people. working in airport security, by the way, has to be -- that is a very difficult job. i think it is airport shut down

that grinds things to a massive halt. imagine if you read this from a foreign government. separating children from families, disappearing kids, losing track of them. we would have travel warnings. >> we would say argentina has slipped back. >>a author airian regular seem is what we would say. >> people watching fox news are regular, working class people. you are talking tsa workers. people not living high on the hog. >> he didn't even address them yesterday. he didn't even say, i feel for you but there is a reason i'm doing this for your safety. this is who he is. he's built his entire business off of not paying people. not paying them and not honoring

those agreements. >> i'm going to read from politico. the white house is couching the president's proposal not just as a means of ending the shutdown but as the opening volley in a series of conversations that could potentially result in a comprehensive overhaul. >> i'm concerned that we are 30 days in and this is being called an opening volley. >> this is how you negotiate and a huge failure. >> huge. >> i do think that chuck schumer induced moment of i'll take the mantle of it hurt him more. a sound bite can still slay. that one is as bad as can be. i do think, this racist wall. i think this is a big part of it. a wall isn't racist. a wall is a wall.

it is structure. becauses it associated with trump. >> it becomes a trump memorial. >> right. i don't see how they can acquiesce even in the moment we got together and got a deal. they know they'll be dunking on them. >> it is a see-through steel barrier that you can cut with a home depot saw. he made concessions but he's on mute. >> let's be clear, no concessions were made yesterday. those hadn't been on the table a year ago. he decided he was going to repeat and regurg stairg tate. numbers that were wrong. mothers giving birth control

pills to their daughters on the caravan. fact checked to be wrong. >> what happens this week. mitch mcconnell has been absent literally. he has worked with the white house and says they'll bring this up. i guess thursday is the soonest we'll see a vote. >> it is pressure points. what happens this week with tsa workers. federal workers live across america. they are not very well paid. a lot of them are important civil servants. >> fear mongering. >> the thing about prayer rugs seems to be like a hollywood

movie thing. >> he's living in a media world. the answer is, what does fox news say? does he feel like that is grounded out. this memorial project getting in the way? there have been pressure points ignored. >> yes. at some point, you talked about mitch mcconnell who has been hiding in a cave and completely disrespectful. republicans on the hill will have to start demanding change. we'll have to see how many republican senators are saying i got to get reelected.

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>> despite a one sentence statement saying, quote, buzz feed's description to the special counsel's office regarding the testimony are not accurate. when the article broke, democrats took to the airways to respond. >> if the president of the united states, if the report is true, the president of the united states violated the law. if he told michael cohen to commit perjury, that goes to the discussion about whether or not he the president should continue in office. >> this is obstruction of justice if these facts are true. no question it is an impeachable offense. >> this information is extremely serious. no question about the definitions of what is criminal

activity. >> we did a little media criticism in the last hour. i want to stick with this first. this is a report that they believed in, they thought was accurate. your reaction of the speed with which they moved. >> i think they need to move even faster. it seems the democrats are still not confident in their ability to start impeachment proceedings which would allow for an opening of investigations. they have all the reason in the world to do so. is there some real evidence he's probably obstructing justice? yes. is he a danger to america? and a threat to public interest? is yes. we are going to investigate and

start these proceedings. they are looking for cover, the democrats. so because the article is great, we'll look at this. buzz feed aside, the reporting that is unfolding every day aside. congress needs to claim this investigation. reel in this president and do their job and stop trying to hide behind whatever media says. >> i was struck by the environment of this story. bill barn was on capitol hill hill. i want to play this exchange. >> you wrote on page 1 that a president purse waiting a person would be obstruction. is that right? >> we, yes. any person who persuades another. yes. >> you also said a president

convincing any person to change testimony would be obstruction? >> yes. >> on page two, a president impairing the availability of evidence would be obstruction is that true? >> yes. >> what do you think? >> the buzz feed article stated there was sub onation of perjury. that president trump ordered cohen. the insin uation is that it was coming from the mueller investigation. that is why everybody started running and the democrats got on board for this. the reality is there is a current, come pent investigation going on. let it go. everybody has heard the rallying cry.

the fear that came out of special office is, one, special counsel's office that the leak was from them. and two, everybody was starting let's start the impeachment process now. i don't disagree those should happen. that is the trust of it. there is a moment we heard rudy giuliani praising counsel and sitting down with chuck todd on "meet the press." >> are you 100% confident that president never once asked

michael cohen to do anything but tell the truth to congress. >> 100% certain of that. giuliani has declared himself an expert of what is true. we have the statement. there is a lot of statement. that is true. you can argue the president made the statement that discredits the media. saying there was a missed report of moving mlk's bust in the white house. he's been talking about that since day one. i do have to 180 degrees disagree with what you are

saying. because to katie's point, there is an investigation. it is the mueller investigation it is not going to stop if there is an argument for that, it is something like if the president gets tired or bored. maybe someone in congress can cut the knees out of the mueller investigation. i don't believe that could ever happen. i believe breathless people in washington, d.c. jumping the gun. if we wait, mueller will come up with the facts and then impeach or don't impeach then. >> we have to come back and talk about the piece from the

atlantic. the breathlessness. the conversation we had a few weeks back tlp was disagreement within the party about how to proceed. do you see democrats seemingly unified? >> does it set them up as the enemy in the next elections. i think it is worse than you are even saying. i think people ran with this story. it dominated for 24 hours. then mueller comes out and says it is not accurate. it gives the president a lot of ammunition. there are two sides to this in the country. the liberal media is trying to unseat the president unfairly. it allows him to say these things and is incredibly

damaging to the media. to that point, they did an amazing thing. looked at what was in it and what he knew to be true. leave out that that was reported. focus on legal documents themselves. how do you pay attention to those things. does this change how we'll regard reporting. >> as a prosecutor and lawyer we look at facts and evidence. we haven't seen the full wardrobe of the mueller investigation. the only thing we can go on is what is put in court filings is limited. who hasn't denied it. trump hasn't denied it. he never said, i never told him. we know the white house administration with lawyers prepped michael cohen for his

testimony. at what point was donald trump going to have the accountability and say, that is okay. you know who else hasn't denied it, ivanka trump and donald trump jurior. they were mentioned in the article. >> these are why investigations matter. having a preceding means we proceed with questionings. and congress has the power to subpoena tax returns and force people to show um and ask people questions that mueller may or may not be asking. we don't know if we'll hear the whole report and if that will be made public. >> up next, the president laying out what he calls a concession. house democrat here with his reaction. action but when it comes to colon cancer screening... i'm not doin' that.

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welcome back. president trump facing backlash. now in the 30th day. many have set up go fund me pages, picked upside gigs to get by. a typical worker at the sec has missed over $12,000 so far. with four thousand employees

there, that's $56 million eek wall to 29,000 bottles of diet coke. equal to over 33 million whopers or take a typical justice department employee, they've missed over $6,500. with the doj owing over $200 million. all told, the shut down is costing employees $200 million a day in lost wages or $6 billion so far, which just so happens to be the price tag of the border wall at the center of this mess. a democrat from new york city. represents the 13th congressional district here.

tweets are coming fast and furious. wow, he writes. just heard my poll numbers with hispanics have gone up 19 to 50%. they know border security better than anyone. >> that is ridiculous. i don't know who he is polling but not in my district. by the way, there is eight congressional members that represent border districts. all against the wall. it would stranger economics. south texas, arizona. they would be devastated with this wall. >> i'm sure you heard from the president had to say in that 13 minute speech. anything in there give you optimism this is going to be worked out in the next few days? what do you make of what he proposed? >> it is like a shell game.

where is the red, right? >> he goes ahead and tries to do a way with daca and tps. courts step in in november and october. keep the programs soopen and moving forward. this is the shell game. doing away with the kri sies he created. those numbers are staggering. i have nasa workers that are furloughed. when i travel out laugd, they

say, go fight for us. i don't know where he's getting those numbers. if that question were to be asked, how did that affect your district, do you think? >> it would not only impact undocumented kids in funding for education, it would impact everybody. if you are a citizen, you have an aunt or uncle, sister or brother in your household that is undocumented. you may choose not to respond, then all those people are wiped away. >> you represent, what, around 700,000 people who live there. not citizens, people. if that goes ahead, that could be wiped away.

>> two to three districts we could lose in new york. now my district which has a lot of undocumented. is the number one in the state to answer the census form. we did a tremendous job. we had boots on the ground. we want to get resources to go to the classroom to count for housing and seniors, et cetera. to make this clear, it is not politics or gain, so you can accurately represent the 700,000 people. >> last question here, what do you say about where this is going. we are in the 30th day of the shutdown. there becomes a normalcy to in this which is damaging. >> we don't have the numbers. calling from new york city, they don't have the numbers in the

house and i believe they don't have the numbers in the senate. this is a shell game. partly the look out in the game. they represent the real proposal we have. they set let's keep government open. in a security aspect. we'll come up with a solution. until that, dead on arrival. >> thank you so much. coming up, we'll take a look at the i word democrats keep hurding at president trump. not investigation. the word is impeachment. making his case for why it is time to impeach the president of the united states. you don't need any more hormones in your house. that's why you chose kraft natural cheese. made with fresh milk without the added hormone rbst.

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welcome back to "up." continuing to talk about that piece. what buzz feed said is that president trump told michael cohen had lie to congress. jake tapper asked him what has been called into question. let's listen to what he had to say. >> you just acknowledged that it is possible that president trump talked to michael cohen. >> which would be perfectly

normal. >> so it is possible that happened. that president trump talked to michael cohen. >> i don't know if it happened or didn't happen. i have no knowledge. >> one of the things he pled guilty to, i believe, is lying to congress. >> he's pleading guilty to get a reduced sentence which means he's saying what they want him to say. so what if he talked to him about it. >> is it not possible. >> i'll turn to you quickly before we get into the impeachment article. your reaction to that. and so what? have you ever said that in court? any officer in court has turned to the officer of the court. so what. he's a lawyer barred in the state of new york. all kidding aside.

he does the destruction of credibility tour of. every time he opens his mouth. what did he say today? yes, collusion on trump campaign but it wasn't with donald trump so that makes it all better. because they walled him off in a padded room. he said, yes. the trump tour conference went nool 2016. he said, it's possible they talked before he testified which is what buzz feed has said occurred. there was this prepped session between michael cohen white house and now it sounds like donald trump. we are all casual about it now in 2019. we talked about impeachment. there is a great piece in the hadn't tick. t atlantic. everybody here has made it

through the article in full. laying out the case for why the president should be impeached. joining us now from washington, d.c. we appreciate you making the time for us. i want to start with the weariness toward impeachment. there are democrats uneasy about preceding. >> you write, the impeachment's viet at. the vital protections against the dangers of a president like donald trump. >> i think we've got this wrong. we tend to think about this as an outcome of a process. starting the process is something that will do a great deal of good not just in partisan and tactic terms but help restore the health of the country from which two years of which norms have been discarded.

the whiplash is a vivid way we are having this discussion. in this debate, this is at least partially political. how much should politics govern that discussion i. >> that is not to say just a matter of approval. they discarded them and said, no, no. impeachment is high crime and mismeaner. it really means impeachable offenses cut to the integrity of the american democracy. considering itself rather than relying on second-hand leaks out

of law enforcement sources unnamed. this is the worst way to go about it. >> we were talking about one part of the peace that says the presidency has more to lose than to gain. this is the reality tv president. we don't know how the public is going to engage. that unknown might be some of the trep i hadation saying we are going to go ahead and ramp this up and do it. it is important the public have some sense of what is be egg found. ask the questions, read those answers. we still don't know what is

going on that ultimately benefits the rankings, if you will. we don't know that yes and people are on a wait and see. >> you get into that piece as well. what could be found out on the proceedings. dozens of things on this issues. how important is discovery to impeachment? i think you can look back to richard nixon. we had an impeachment process looking into the two processes working in tan dem including the smoking gun tape. it took both processes to force that out. look back to andrew johnson.

there is a parallel. some of those were wild conspiracy theories and some were on the money. it took in johnson's case what verged on the edge of civil war and brought it back to an orderly process taking the debate out of the streets and into congress. >> i don't want impeachment. i wanted to lead to the conviction of the president. i worry if impeachment proceedings occur. the mueller report will come out, i worry that this will get in the way of the president rather than lead to it should the conviction be warranted.

>> you should forge ahead. confined with the dealings. a host of other problems and leading cohen to violate the frc finance clause. all of these form a picture. we have little fragments and we need to form that to one picture. >> join my colleague here tonight. john lewis, the life and impact of the civil rights leaders. stay tuned at 10:00 eastern. hope and fury, mlk, the heend movement. we'll be right back.

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dang e.u. in danger. >> if a block again. >> our foreign responsibility. >> who let this happen. hot takes. >> what happens this week. critical votes are expected again. where are we at this point? march 29 looms large. >> they call it a cross-party initiative, a bipartisan initiative going around the prime minister that we'll see this week. >> away from the executive in a way. >> correct. which is a powerless executive in many ways. theresa may just begs people to do things. >> support it. >> will they get it on the floor of parliament? everyone says we have until march 29 on brexit, no. that's like 35 days of parliamentary opportunity. this is all clouded in a dusty system. >> he does it all the time. help us understand how good the

parallel is. we drew it during the campaign. >> it's fascinating. trying to make it work. how similar is it compared to what president trump is trying to do. >> the narrating voice over the netflix special should be the same. it was a disenfranchised voting bloc in lived in parts of the uk influenced by a fear campaign having to do with immigration and how much did russia meddle in -- i mean, it's exactly what's happening in this country. when you look at, i would say, the ripple effect but the tsunami effect it will have on the world economy. we are seeing the pound drop, looking at perhaps what they call a hard exit out of the european union. it's amazing. to your point, it is an identifier of where we are in the anglo american, whatever you call it, saxon government. it's falling apart.

never before have we been in a place where the precipice is so close for the republic here. >> help us with the consequences here. in terms of what happened to the western world and western democracies, what comes next? >> well, you know, the real winner here becomes vladimir putin who has set out to destabilize the west as a way for him to then go in and essentially take over and have global dominance. that's what's going to play out. what is really sad and unfortunate for us is we are coming off the obama years which, frankly, were the epitome of the best of america. this weekend we are honoring martin luther king and looking at the nation which started to live up to her ideals. the backlash, the couple of people in rural areas that are

like, hey, we're going to retreat, is really telling us that we have to figure out how to get through it. the country could fall apart because of a handful of people. the consequences to the world are going to be -- >> seismic. >> i love that word. >> we'll leave it there. up next on "a.m. joy" representative eric swalwell on the second anniversary of trump's inauguration today. sary trump's inauguration today i never count the wrinkles. and i don't add up the years. but what i do count on, is staying happy and healthy. so, i add protein, vitamins and minerals to my diet with boost®. boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals your body needs. all with guaranteed great taste. the upside- i'm just getting started. boost® high protein be up for life.

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that does it for me. thank you very much for watching. a.m. joy starts with joy reed right now. >> this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. >> good morning. welcome to a.m. joy. there is a lot of news to get to this morning. day 30 of the longest government shutdown in u.s. history including donald trump's supposed compromise plan on immigration floated in a speech that didn't even mention the shutdown. we start with today marking exactly two years since donald trump's inauguration and his speech promising to end an era of what he called american carnage. what has actually been the american carnage? one might argue it's been two years of this. >> i'm establishing new vetting measures to keep