you know, for the role i played, i am deeply, deeply sorry. welcome to "kasie dc." i'm in for peter alexander, who is in for kasie, who is under the weather. right now super blood moon and things are extra weird. the president moving to end the longest shutdown in history, offering a deal for daca. we will find out what it will take to reopen the government as hundreds of thousands of federal workers struggle to make ends meet. and after the bombshell report that michael cohen said the

president ordered him to lie to congress, there is a reckoning around the mueller investigation. but, first, it was two years ago president trump was sworn into office. "the new york times" wrote at the time -- well two years later on this day after the longest shutdown the government has ever seen, we're asking ourself the same question. the government has been shut down for nearly 5% of the time president trump has been in office. the democratic response to his immigration proposal unveiled yesterday suggests this logjam is nowhere near broken. in his speech, the president offered to extend protection from deportation temporarily for some undocumented immigrants, including so-called dreamers.

in exchange for the $5.7 billion he wants for his border wall. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, he promised to vote on the plan as it drew criticism from both democrats and conservative figures alike. with that, which is a lot, we would like to welcome my panel, white house bureau chief of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst philip rucker. former republican congressman from indiana, david mcintosh. and senior advise are for move on.org and msnbc contributor. thank you all for being here. we want to get a take a full month after the shutdown began, phil, i'll start with you, are we in any terms closer to what the president did and white house said, hey, we're willing to negotiate. we went forward with some change in the equation. they say the democrats are the problem here. is there any real stalemate in this? >> and democrats in return say we're not going to renegotiate anything about immigration policy until the government reopens immediately so we're at a standstill, stalemate.

it would be very quick i think for either side to reopen the government and reopen bill it's democrats were to give ground on the border wall or if trump were to lessen his demand for the border wall in a way that satisfied democrats. but right now both sides are digging in and neither side feels an incentive to truly compromise and negotiate on a bipartisan solution. >> i want to pick your brain in a moment on some of the behind the scenes we know about, the interm battle in the white house over what the president did offer up. congressman, first, your take on this. the republican take here is the president's playing ball. he's willing to play. but is this legit? he's the one who revoked, tried to rescind daca. how he's saying i will give them back, is that really a negotiation? >> sure it is. and he's got some people on the right complaining about it. my group, the club for growth, doesn't take a position on any of this. in fact, we think the underlying bill is terrible. but the fight is about this

wall. i think you step back -- >> is the fight about this wall or the shutdown? >> i was going to say, it's really a fight about power. will nancy pelosi, with the new majority in the house, have more power or less power in dealing with the president? she's saying i'm not going to negotiate with you until i absolutely have to. and so he put something on the table. no, not even going to think about it. >> is there new pressure on the democrats now, nancy pelosi tweeted and democrats turned down my offer before they even heard it. is there real pressure on the democrats now? they're winning sort of america's view on this that the president is to blame. but will that change now with the president offering something up? >> i don't think so. we have to remember donald trump is an unpopular president. he's one of the presidents who has not averaged above 50% in his first term and he's going into his third year, and that says a lot. this wall is not popular. clearly the shutdown is not popular.

you mentioned in the top, this is two years, or today is 30 days of the shutdown and in two years, he shut down the government three times, having republicans in the house and in the senate. so you have to think it must be deliberate, right? and he basically is holding 800,000 people hostage for a wall. and here's the thing, there is a bipartisan bill right now. all mitch mcconnell has to do it put it to the floor, a bill he had already passed. >> clearly, that's not what mcconnell has in store this week. >> right. let me show you something that said the presidents and republicans concede on the wall demand, this would effectively be a fatal blow to the party. take a listen to this former congresswoman. >> i believe if the president backs away from border security, his border wall, he will lose the presidency and republicans will have a really hard time. i think that's the reason why we're not getting counterofficers.

speak pelosi is moving a opportunity to say, i will give you $5.7 billion but i want daca, i want temporary protective status. i want to make sure we have dreamers taken care of. i want to make sure we have families who can stay together at the border. she can ask for anything and at least start there. >> this is why i feel the president sticks to the $5.7 billion. he knows he can't go back. initially he said he was okay with what had been voted on. that's why senator mitch mcconnell put it up for a vote several weeks back. now having heard from ann coulter, sean hannity, rush limbaugh, he can't go backward. he has to try to go forward and say let's put other things on the table and throw balls in the air, right? >> president trump used this wall as so consequential as determining whether he can win re-election in 2020. >> is this about re-election? >> coalition. you talk to white house advisers, i'm sure they tell you about the same thing, the president is only thinking about protecting the american people,

he's only thinking about securing the border but he's also thinking a lot about politics, he's watching the polls and feeling the heat. he knows if he backs down from that wall, his coalition could crumble in a way that could be perilous for him politically. >> and today among other things, this is not amnesty because there has been criticism from ann koemter, among others. in the tweet he said amnesty will be used only on a much bigger deal. that doesn't seem to make the conservatives satisfied. their fear is amnesty and now he says amnesty is what i'm up for. what do they make of that? >> the hard-koranty immigration folks will be troubled by that. although we ran against him in the primaries found out that was only part of his coalition. i think the interesting thing here, back to who's going to be running things in washington is the immediate blame goes to the president, he acknowledges that. but in the end i think it's dangerous for the democrats because it erodes their main

promise, which is we'll get back to business as usual. and what they're showing is we'll hold up everything in order to show we can win this bottle. >> carin, mark warner said this morning this is a starting point. is this a real starting point? it seems like as a democrat, your feet are locked in. >> though he also said let's open up the government, let's end this shutdown. here's the thing, donald trump is not an honest broker. we've been here before, about a year ago, 11 months ago. the democrats, which i didn't agree with it at the time, gave him -- the president $25 billion for -- for daca, and he turned that down because, they said, it was amnesty. the far right told him you can't do this. it's amnesty. >> so democrats say yes to permanent protections? >> no, we're at a different time now. 11 months has passed by. november 6th hand. the american people who a majority of them came out and voted said we do not want this. we do not want this border wall. we want you to hold this president accountable.

he should not be holding 800,000 people hostage for this border wall. it should just not be happening. >> what i hear coreen saying, whatever the president's offer, we're not going to do it. whether we liked it before or not. we will not accept anything from donald trump. >> why not open up the government and then have the conversation? 800,000, people who cannot pay for rent and day care. let's not stop forget -- >> the government -- >> let's pause for a second here now. >> a president who's historically unpopular, under investigation. democrats said yes to him a year ago. and he backed out. >> let me interrupt, because the debate -- >> you're saying never. >> i will ask you guys to pause for a second. phil, let me ask you, there's a debate not too dissimilar from this one happening inside the west wing between jared kushner

and steven miller, the allegiances inside the west wing good what president should even have offered up at the time. break that down. frankly, there was a lot of discussion maybe there would have been more clout if the president offered daca for all eligible for daca, not just the 700,000 who are recipients of it. what is behind the scenes? >> extending the daca protection for the so-called dreamers has been a big priority of jared kushner's for some time, as well as others in the white house. steven miller has been the opponent of that internally, the one sort of keeping the president's policies the most hardlined on immigration and an

a dispute broke out over what the president would offer yesterday and his remarks for the temporary extension of daca protections for dreamers. >> i want to keep talking about this sort of moment in this shutdown right now. it started the last several days. it's hard to believe how quickly this stuff gos. this fight over the state of the union, remember nancy pelosi said either you cancel the thing or wait until it's over. can you do it in writing if you like. heck, can you do it from the oval office. it's still supposed to take place officially january 29th. nancy pelosi obviously raised all sorts of concerns about that right now. the president today finally reacted to that and said basically we haven't made up our mind yet on the state of the union. is there any better sense -- i will remind folks at home this is the same week the president canceled her trip to afghanistan to visit with the troops right now. phil, to you, is there any better sense of what the white house thinking is, when this thing will take place? what they're planning to do? does this turn into a rally? does he do it from the oval office? what happens? >> the president said he's considering a lot of options and there are allies saying, look, give the state of the union address. it doesn't have to be in the congress. it could be out in the country somewhere. he's a showman. i think he's going to try to do something big and get attention and try to use his bully pulpit

as the president to drive his agenda forward on the shutdown. whether it's the state of the union at the capitol january 129th or whether he goes to some rally somewhere or does an event with angel moms or with border patrol officers or finds some creative way to deliver that speech, i think he's going to create a television moment one way or the other. >> does this thing have to end before the president delivers his state of the union? >> that's a good question. in the end congress really benefits for having him come there and give that speech. the constitution only requires him to send a report. so he could do it in writing. but i think it helps the country to know -- >> i think we all agree there's no way the president delivers this thing in writing, right? >> no. >> it happens somewhere. >> he will do a beach. >> this is a man made for television, built on television. >> look, donald trump can end this shutdown any moment. he really can. all he has to do is call mitch mcconnell and say put the vote to the floor and let's get this done and that's how -- that's how he's going to get his state of the union, if ends the shutdown and not keep 800,000

people hostage. >> ironically, mitch mcconnell said he would only put something on the floor if senate democrats and the president agreed. about to put this on the floor and it's clear the democrats don't agree. this has been a very interesting day. i'm in for my friend kasie tonight but we're also in a pretty nice studio. this is the home on sundays to "meet the press." the studio we usually host "kasie dc" in suffered a serious fire last night so they've been kind enough to host us here tonight. we're not the only ones affected by this. chris wallace of "fox news sunday" had to relocate his show too as a result of that today. we should quickly say thank you to the washington fire dept, building staff, technical staff for all of their hard work. this was not the kind of day expected here at nbc. we're grateful nobody was hurt, minus the studio. when we continue, the president actually praises the special counsel as the office casts a shadow of doubt on that buzzfeed story. we will dig into the latest reporting on what the president did or didn't tell michael cohen to do.

later tonight, i'm joined by the president senator james lankford of oklahoma. i'll talk to him about whether the story and controversy surrounding it changes the calculus for his party. as we go to the break, the tit for tat over whether there will be a state of the union before the year is through. you're watching "kasie dc." >> the white house is striking back at a tip for tat. >> tit for tat. >> tit for tat. - i think the best companies succeed as a team,

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are you 100% confident that are you 100% confident that the president never once asked michael cohen to do anything but tell the truth to congress? >> 100% certain of that. >> can you share what

communication the president had with michael cohen about trump tower moscow? >> before the investigation, during the period that they're looking at, they did have conversations about it. the conversations lasted throughout parts of 2016. the president is not sure exactly when they ended. probably up to -- could be up to as far as october, november. our answers cover until the election. so any time during that period they could have talked about it. >> that was president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani this morning reacting to the bombshell report from buzzfeed that has since been disputed by the special counsel directing michael cohen, his former longtime lawyer, to lie to congress about negotiations to build a trump tower in moscow. in an extraordinary response by robert mueller's office, spokesman peter carr released a statement that says -- buzzfeed's description of specific statements to the special counsel's office and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office regarding michael cohen's

congressional testimony are not accurate. buzzfeed's reporters said one more today they stand by their reporting. but when buzzfeed's leopold reached out to carr, he declined to comment in part because leopold made no reference to the special counsel's office or to evidence it uncovered. joining our discussion to break it all down, national investigative reporter for "the washington post" and nbc news contributor carol leonnig. thank you guys all for being with us. carol, i want to start with you quickly. we're going to start with the buzzfeed backlash, bombshell, whatever you want to call it. but first about what rudy giuliani did say today. he made significant news in this conversation with chuck this morning, where he said among other things, that the conversations about trump tower moscow, that the president was engaged in, went all the way through 2016. previously, we only knew those conversations had taken place through june of 2016.

the fact of the matter is this was on the president's mind in some form all the way until the election. why is that so important? >> i'm not entirely sure that rudy really means that he has evidence that the president -- i'm sorry, the candidate donald trump was discussing it all the way until november. what he said is it's possible because i know our questions from mueller go all the way to that time. i think it's really important in this situation to look at the pleadings in this case and see that michael cohen had ail cuted after talking to rings of prosecutors in the southern district of new york and special counsel's office that he was conferring with donald trump

about this up until he became the nominee, republican nominee, which could have been summer of 2016. i'd like to stick with what's in the actual court record. i think that's a good place to be. >> and we also heard from rudy giuliani today on this topic saying he wouldn't rule out the idea that the president and michael cohen had spoken in some form about the testimony. while it's been disputed now that he said he told michael cohen to lie before congress, of course, rudy giuliani says that's not true. special counsel's office said the buzzfeed article is not accurate. but giuliani couldn't rule out there were conversations. is that in any way problematic the two were speaking in some form? >> it could potentially be problematic based on what they were speaking about but the fact just that they had a relationship and were speaking doesn't seem to raise any -- any red flags. i imagine mueller's investigation has determined more than we know publicly right now the substance of those conversations, and we're going to have to wait and see in that report what those were all about. the relationship, we know trump and cohen had an intimate lawyer/client relationship for more than a decade. >> perhaps the best game is patience as much as inpatience across this country. carol, let me ask you about what "the washington post" reports about this initial buzzfeed reporting. he said carr told others woe have discouraged others from proceeding with the story if he knew that the special counsel

directed him to lie or claimed the special counsel learned about this through interviews with trump organization witnesses, internal company e-mails and texts. that's according to people with the matter. so did buzzfeed misstep in the way it reached out to peter carr, the special counsel's office here, that perhaps could have avoided this whole situation from blowing up? >> i mean, i think everyone who's a reporter is gasping at that little piece of information because in the high-wire act we're all engaged in, writing about one of the most sensitive issues, whether or not the president was involved in a conspiracy, whether or not the president was subordinating perjury, that's a huge claim to make. in that high-wire act it's incumbent on us to stress test that reporting, put it against any person we can who has a reason to dispute it. if you don't give yourself an opportunity to hear a foe or even an evidence-gatherer say you're wrong, buddy, then you're doing yourself out of a valuable reporting material.

and i want to say one more thing, if i can, i don't think anyone should be cutting other reporters. it makes me uncomfortable, but this is an era in which we never want to be wrong ever, but in this era, we don't want to feed the fake news claim when all of us are sleepless and working tirelessly to get it right. >> is it striking to either of you, and i ask both of you from "the washington post" as reporters at the table, this is really the only time, first time the special counsel's office came out and said that is not accurate, which raises questions about all of the other things we've seen attributed over the course of these many months, phil. >> there's been an extraordinary amount of reporting over the last year plus about the russian investigation, about trump and his various contacts that the

special counsel's office has not disputed. so the fact they would dispute this speaks to how egregious the buzzfeed reporting oversight was. but it also speaks to how there hasn't been another example that bad in the last year. so a lot of the -- >> the vast majority of the other reporting has been pretty close to something. >> david, let me ask you, congresswoman, one thing that's striking me is all of a sudden you heard president trump in a way celebrating the special counsel's office here, thanking them for coming forward like this. >> yep, that's right. you only heard criticism of him before. i think this put the special counsel in a real bind. part of the trump defender's strategy is make him look like he's out to get trump and not a trustworthy prosecutor. if that report is not accurate, not correcting it would have hurt him, hurt mueller i think. so they did the right thing, and it's good the president acknowledged that. >> and careen, isn't there a lesson for democrats. we heard from congressman castro and gillibrand, even after the fact, we have to get to the bottom of this, is there a risk

for democrats to celebrate things so far in advance before actually knowing what the heck things are? >> let me say this, it doesn't surprise me democrats jumped on this. the past two years when republicans had control of congress, they didn't really put forth a legitimate oversight on this president. what we had to really look towards was the media, who did incredible, excellent reporting on what was going on. and that's where we were learning all of our information. now that's changed a bit because congress -- well, we have the majority in the house, so now things have changed. so they have oversight. there will still be great reporting i'm sure but now oversight and democrats who can actually dig in a little bit and see what's going on. >> the fact of the matter is our friend at axios is reporting tonight how about a lot of freshmen democrats are bamminging at this idea of focusing on impeachment right now.

rashida tlaib made news recently. there are a lot of younger democrats saying wait a second, let's hold on for a second. >> i think they want to see, like i said, an investigation. let's ask the questions. we know michael cohen will be going forward -- >> is that because a lot will come from districts where there are former trump districts, frankly, districts right along the line where they know they're speaking for a wider group of people than the deep blue sfoekz folks? >> many democrats did not run on impeaching donald trump. tlaen on issues. it was really important. and the linchpin was keeping donald trump accountable. but it wasn't -- impeachment wasn't the number one thing. it was health care. it was the economy. so i can understand why they're going that way.

and i think it is fair. i think it is smart to have an oversight because that is what they were elected for, to be an oversight. to be a check and to talk about issues that really matter to the folks that they're representing. >> carol, as our investigative reporter at the table, a lot of people at the end of this day and at the end of this week where we learned about a counterintelligence investigation to determine whether in fact the president was working on behalf of the russians, this was an insane wheek you sort of back up seven days and think how we got here in spite of the buzzfeed story about 72 hours ago. where are we in this investigation? is there any better indication we're nearing a conclusion? >> well, our indication is that the mueller report is in the offing. as we reported a few weeks ago, we expect it possibly as early as february. i'm as interested and impatient as everyone else to find out the evidence that mueller has obtained that's not public yet and, trust me, at "the washington post" there are a ton of people who are still going to try to find it out before it's actually leaked and/or shared with us as a result at the department of justice. i would like to go back to the buzzfeed item for one more moment. >> yes. >> there's still a mystery out there we have not gotten to the bottom of, which is michael cohen, who drives the president

to distraction every time he meets with a prosecutor or gets on a stage, somehow alludes that he shaped his story to congress, who helped him shape his story. did he do it alone? i'm not saying that the president did. obviously mueller already said he doesn't have such evidence. but something hand and there's something else about that moscow tower deal, another piece of the mystery that we still have to get to the bottom of. he said in his ail cushion that hundreds of millions of dollars were on the line if the kremlin backed that tower. what licensing deal does donald trump have that makes hundreds of millions of dollars? these are big, big targets we need to uncover soon. >> you're right. that's what we're all working on. nice to see you, thank you for being here. carol leonnig, thank you so much. one of the best in this business when we come back, as the presidential field is taking off, the democrats walk on their back foot.

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>> i'm not worried. bernie will be in his 70s while i'm a supply 6 9d. >> what do you mean by kirsten gillibrand? >> you mean kirsten stole my branned? medicare for all. what a concept. i have been saying that since 1963 when i was running the wells fargo wagon out of my town. >> she's so talented. elizabeth warren getting the treatment there on "saturday night live." meanwhile, we're still 22 months away until the next presidential election and white house hopefuls are already on apology tours of sorts. days after announcing a

exploratory committee, kelsey gabbert released a statement about the youtube video about offensive statements she made about the lgbtq in the past and also addressed the controversy in an interview this morning. >> i had spoken about my upbringing. i was raised in a very socially conservative household with views and believes and things that i no longer hold today. like most of the country, my views have evolved. >> bernie sanders is also apologizing to women who came forward with claims of sexual harassment and unfair treatment by his staff during the 2016 campaign. he met with two dozen former staffers who claimed they had been mistreated and he pledged to, quote, do better if and when he enters the 2020 race. elizabeth warren, meanwhile, continues to face scrutiny over her decision to release that dna test showing a small fraction of native-american ancestry, which was the very first question she was asked at a recent event in iowa. and then kirsten gillibrand, who came under scrutiny during her time in the house when she

earned an a-rating from the nra and had a different posture. >> you said you were a form opponent of giving amnesty to aliens. you said english should be, quote, the official language of the united states. you called for expediting deportation of undocumented immigrants. i know you have different positions today. but if trump immigration positions were racist, were they racist when you held some of those positions as well? >> they certainly were not empathetic or kind. i did not think about suffering in other people's lives. >> that's just a few of the democrats right now that have already announced. we've got a long way to go, obviously, until 2020. but not that long, frankly. this thing is already under way right now. i guess the question, karine, can these contenders who have to start on the back foot, can they regroup before the opening salvo? >> we have about a year before the first group of voters go out

and vote. there lr a lot of candidates who will rise and a lot of candidates that will fall and a lot of twists and turns. this is just the beginning. three months from now it will be different. six months from now it's going to be different. i think they're being smart talking about how they evolved and really talking about it head on and not letting like shaping message for themselves before anybody else does. that's smart. that's like politics 101. and like you said, there are probably 20 other others will will come out and who knows what will be out there for them to talk about. but they will be tested. we will watch how they will build their campaigns and watch their platform in iowa and the other states and see how it goes. >> kamala harris, a name a lot of people will mention. is she yet to announce? phil, what do you make of the damage-control moment for the democrats. regain the spotlight for themselves right now.

challenging positions, right, because you're really speaking to the base in some of key states like new hampshire and iowa, and right now a lot of them are doing a lot of explaining, as it were. >> and karine is right there's a year and that's a long time. but the democratic activists, voters in the country are so engaged, they're following this so closely right now, they want somebody who will defeat donald trump and take back the white house and end what they view as a very dangerous chapter in american history. there are so many democratic candidates they are jockeying for attention and to have a debut like kirsten gillibrand where she's immediately on the defensive to positions she used to hold that are not very emathlete cal to the voters, that's challenging. >> they are issues we're fighting back, center of the conversations. >> and gun rights. >> she's from a rural district. actually language she's used when she's been in iowa as a way of connecting. i used to represent a rural district as well. we could see a departure from this cabinet saying,

according to politico, the secretary of state marketplace marketplace marketplace, who confirmed less than a year ago, is considering a run for kansas in 2020. the secretary of state may say i'm pulling the rip cord and getting a seat in my home state. secretary pompeo has not made a final decision but leaders including mitch mcconnell are said to be aggressively wooing him. politico also said he met with high republican strategist ward baker. >> the trump endorsed pack endorsed him for congress. >> what does this say about the white house? this is one of the president's guys. he liked him so much at the cia he brought him in all of the time for the intelligence briefings. >> it would be a loss for the president. he's a great secretary of state. what i think you will see is he will tamp down expectation but not say yes or no for a year or so.

they have a very light primary in kansas. >> kansas is a competitive state. this is a place up for grabs in the trump era. >> he could win that hands down and make sure the seat stays in the republican's side. >> what would that mean? >> it's a significant thing he's even willing to entertain this option. he's the secretary of state. that's a high-ranking position. >> he has the president's ear perhaps as much as anybody. >> normally senators try to become secretary of state, not the other way around. but it indicates marketplace marketplace marketplace is looking for a political future beyond the trump presidency to create an opportunity for himself. i don't know if will he do the run or not but clearly he's thinking beyond this period. >> we thank you all very much for being with us tonight. >> up next, congresswoman val demings became one of two democrats to sit on the house intelligence and judiciary committees, meaning she has a lot of questions for the

president.

welcome back to "kasie dc." i'm peter alexander, in for my friend kasie, who's under the weather tonight. joining me now is democratic congresswoman val demings from florida. she's a member of both the house judiciary and intelligence committees. she's joining us now, congresswoman, we appreciate your time. i want to out of the gates ask you a little bit about the news rudy giuliani made in part today. he said on "meet the press" that the negotiations as it related to trump tower in moscow, those conversations went throughout 2016, which would be significant because it's further than the time frame we had been discussing before, which had previously sort of ended at roughly june of 2016. here's what giuliani said earlier today -- >> you said the president is not sure when talks ended.

it's your understanding it ended when, in january as michael cohen incorrectly testified to? >> it's our understanding that they went on throughout 2016, there were not a lot of them, but there were conversations. i can't be sure of the exact dates but the president can remember having conversations with him about it. the president also remembers -- >> throughout 2016? >> yeah, probably up until -- could be as far as october, november. >> could be as far up to october or november. how concerning do you find that revelation to be? >> yes, hi, it's good to be with you. >> thank you. >> look, i'm not really sure who rudy giuliani is really working for. last week -- the president has said and his personal attorney joined him in saying there's no collusion, no collusion, no

collusion. and then last week he said, well, no, he never said there was absolutely no collusion. and then today this new revelation that the president was involved in those discussions, it sounds like right up to the election, is just very, very shocking to hear. but i'll tell you what, as a member of the judiciary commity and now the intelligence committee, we are committed to getting to the bottom of it and getting to the truth. and we will be relentless in our efforts to do that. the american people who have entrusted this responsibility in us as members of congress working on these committees expect it and we're going to

keep working until get to the bottom of it. >> and congresswoman, democrats, as you witnessed in the last 48 or so hours, were quick to jump back on the drumbeat of impeachment talk surrounding the president after the buzzfeed report broke. it's since been described as not accurate by the special counsel's office here. did democrats jump the gun? is this something your party needs to be careful about going forward that it doesn't put itself in this position before they have all of the facts? >> let me just say this. i have made a statement before that we're certainly not running to impeachment but we're not running away from it either. we need to do our jobs. i know when i'm home in the district as i am now and my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, running to some of their constituents who ask about it. for the last two years, we have just seen and witnessed and heard one thing after the other about the russian investigation, about the president's involvement. so it's an issue that will be on the table. we certainly are committed to allowing the special counsel to do his work. but we are not waiting on the special counsel to finish his work to subpoena witnesses that we deem necessary, to subpoena documents and other materials to

hold hearings that we deem necessary, and really to get to the bottom of the president's involvement or any of his enablers in the involvement of undermining our democracy or undermining the 2016 election. >> congresswoman, let me ask you about the shutdown right now. as you know well, we're in day 30 of this. 800,000 federal workers still either out of work or working and not getting paid, not to mention all of those contractors and others being impacted that will never get paid for this period of time right now. are you certain the democrats are unified in what is sort of the leadership's line right now, that they should reject the president's latest deal outright? why not help end this thing by having a real conversation about this right now? >> let me tell you this, there's not one day that goes by --s it's almost not one hour now -- that i don't think about the

800,000 federal workers, 200,000 contractors that are going without pay. i have talked to many of them here in the district, a couple who worked for the tsa for example and they don't have a paycheck to fall back on because there's absolutely no money coming in. some with children in college, special needs kids, they're unable to pay their bills. it's just not fair. it's not right. but let me remind you and others the president basically brags about the shutdown. he says he owns it. it's his shutdown. the president said there's a deal on the table. you know he made a deal. for someone who wrote a book on "the art of the deal" maybe he should read it himself. >> are there pressure on the democrats now, 30 days in he threw something out there, what are you offering in return? >> one month ago the house voted unanimously as well as the senate did. the president agreed to support that legislation. he pulled back. the deal he offered yesterday was really no deal. it was something that had been rejected before. and it just demonstrated to me and others that the president is really not serious about putting the 800,000 people back to work. he's not serious about honoring the will of the american people, overwhelmingly the american people do not want a wall.

there are other modern ways to secure our border. but we are hoping every day, thomas, that the president will sit down at the table, reopen the government and we can continue our discussions on border security. >> congresswoman val demings, we appreciate your time on a sunday night. thank you so much. >> thank you. add downy fabric conditioner for up to 7 days of downy freshness. downy and it's done.

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after democrats reject the president's new offer before it was even announced. the big question now, where do we go from here? plus buzzfeed stands by it's reporting that donald trump ordered michael cohen to lie to congress besides it being disputed from the special counsel's office. we will hear from one of the report's writers. when did the trump organization stop talking to the russians about building a trump tower in moscow? the official timeline changes yet again. good morning, everyone, it's