baseball, i will let you talk about it for a second. >> i will take my one second, thank you very much. even joe, a red sox fan is celebrating this guy. new class hall of famer heading to cooperstown including mike muhsinna and martinez and rivera and roy halladay and the best closer of all time, yankee great, mariano rivera. why is it obvious he is an all time great, he appeared on 445 ballots making him the first player ever to be voted in unanimously in the hall of fame. in his career, 11 runners scored on him over 141 post-season innings. that is fewer than the number of people, 12, who have walked on the moon, mike barnicle. a couple more stats. five world series rings, 13

all-star games, world series games, all-time best, for me as a yankees fan, the most important stat, if we reached the seventh inning of a baseball game i knew it was over because we could always go to mo. >> he certainly deserved the unanimous votes, something they refused to give to stan williams, mickey mantle and jackie robinson. a pitcher who single handedly gave up the greatest pitch in the boston red sox, bill miller's single in the ninth inning to drive in a run to tie the game in the 2004 american championship series. red sox went on to beat the yankees. >> i knew it was a mistake going to you. you remember what happened in the first season yankees opened up at fenway. fenway gives him a huge cheer because he gave up that hit and he stands and smiles and tips his cap.

that's the kind of guy he was. we yield our time back to you from mario rivera, i know there's other news in the world today. >> yes. i could have gotten extra sleep. to making a move on the shutdown since it began, the senate will vote to break the deadlock now in day 33. the republican proposal will provide $5.7 billion for the southern border wall and give trump his money for the wall, plus temporary protections for daca recipients and other immigrants. democrats will offer to fund the government until february 8th and continue negotiations. neither is expected to achieve the 60 votes necessary to move forward. majority leader, mitch mcconnell appeared to back off his pledge earlier this month not to hold quote show votes, votes that have no hopes of passing but failure could push leaders towards a compromise. party leadership remained locked in their positions tuesday.

senate majority mitch mcconnell to fund the wall and democrats to open the government first. >> president trump said give me the wall or i'll shut down the government and then unless you give me the wall i will keep the government shutdown. now, president trump is saying give me the wall and make radical changes to legal immigration or i'll shut the government down. >> open up government. open the government, let's talk. we cannot have the president every time he has an objection to say, i'll shut down government until you come to my way of thinking. understand, that is part of the point of this. if we hold them hostage now they're hostage forever. the president made a bipartisan offer that will accomplish everything democrats said needs to be accomplished

right now immediately. all that needs to happen is for our democratic friends agree it's time to put the country ahead of politics, take yes for an answer and vote to put the standoff behind us. >> so president trump tweeted yesterday quote never seen mitch mcconnell and republicans so united on an issue as the border wall. it's a sentiment endorsed by most capitol hill republicans including newly sworn in mitt romney in an interview with u.s.policy.com. >> is there any discussions within your colleagues in the senate about trying to put together something that would get 67 votes which would be enough to override a presidential veto. that's your power under article i. you are a ko equal branch. >> no question. i think it's extremely unlikely, would say, we're not going to follow the president's lead on this. now, who knows what happens a long, long time from now and

what kind of occurrences there might be. i think republicans will say, look, the president is negotiating in our behalf, we will try and work with the white house, not against the white house. >> michael steele, let's talk about where this stands in terms of the democrats. are they under any pressure to cave here any way? >> i still don't see it. i don't see where the democrats have pressure on them either within the process itself or with the public at the moment. within the process itself, nancy pelosi will negotiate but open the government first. you said you would take the responsibility of shutting the government down and proud to do so and you won't blame the democrats for that. fine, let's open up the government and go to discussion. publicly, the people are still siding with the democrats in terms of who they look at as the logjam, who is to blame.

as this gets into this week, for the second pay period you now have federal employees without paychecks and the narrative is increasing, mika, you're seeing more and more stories coming out of the heartland of this country out of those red states around the country that are showing just how hard this is hitting, the comments of mitt romney, he talked about you never know whatwha what's going to be happening down the road, you're down the road, buddy, this will hit like a you know what storm for republicans. >> this is what passes in then shutdown, we will hold two votes, not likely to get 60 votes, either of them. one, the republican vote to get president trump his wall, $5.7 billion. the democratic vote is to reopen the government temporarily without the wall and negotiate immigration as an issue. is this a step along the way to get somewhere else or purely symbolic for both sides?

>> one would hope it's a step along the way, but if you look at the content of those bills they have not moved one inch. the president asking for 100% of his wall and democrats saying no way. in the house there was a group of moderate democrats showing some signs of pressure in they're putting together a letter, let's at least let the man have a vote. we know it will fail. what has to happen is we have to decide if the democrats will give a face saving measure to this president because he is not going to cave, nancy pelosi is not going to cave but there is a way and road map for this we've done in past shutdowns, to have a temporary spending bill where there's a gentleman's or gentle lady's agreement to have a negotiation. what does that vehicle look like? who makes the first move? right now, i don't see any sign anybody is moving in that

direction. like tom said on this program last week, why don't we listen to the experts. the experts tell us, yeah, we need some reinforced barrier in some places. can the democrats allow the president to call that a wall and declare victory and give the other aspects the experts say we need, like increased drones and border patrols and most importantly infrastructure at ports of entry where we all know the real problem exists. >> this impact of the shutdown was real. because there was no agreement to open the government by midnight last night, hundreds of thousands of workers will miss a second paycheck. tsa workers are among those who will go without pay. in a press release the agency said there's a 7.5% of unscheduled absences up 4% from a year ago. a union representing prison

offices in kentucky has put up billboards demanding senate majority leader mitch mcconnell end the shaun reading violent offenders are getting paid and members of law enforcement are not. members of the coast guard about to miss their second paycheck in a row. many have been required to work without pay until the end of the year. the commander of the coast guard called this situation unacceptable. >> we're five plus weeks into the anxiety and stress and your non-pay. you as members of the armed forces should not be expected to shoulder this burden. ultimately i find it unacceptable coast guard men and women have to rely on food pantries and donations to get through day-to-day life as service members. >> the fbi is receiving calls to reopen the government that shutdown is affecting law

enforcement operation. claims the funding freeze is hampering efforts to crack down on terrorism, sex and drug trafficking and violent crime. one agent says the shutdown is affecting an investigation into ms 13 gang members. the investigation has gone on for three years and resulted in 23 indictments but the probe has been hampered by an inability to pay for a spanish interpreter. they claim the bureau has not been able to pay for safe places to meet with its informants or pay them for their information. this means not being able to make regular meetings and missing out on information all together leaving a concerning gap in intel relating to national security. steve rattner, this is getting real across the board. at some point does the overall economy begin to suffer? >> i think the overall economy

is already suffering. the first quarter gdp number we began on january 1st. estimates starting to suffer. i have charts i'm sure we will get to later showing those estimates are coming down. the white house itself said the shutdown would cost .13%, sounds like a small number but multiplies for each week of the shutdown. no question this is already having an economic effect and not just disappear when the shutdown ends. >> eddie, the republican party, since 1968, has notoriously known as the party of law and order, gone out of their way to be the party of law and order. the fbi association released a report how disfunctional the bureau is becoming because of the shutdown is quite revealing. i talked to two agents yesterday, one, they can't get buy money for sources on the street. the other was even more troubling. they cannot retain right now, because of the no pay structure,

because of the shutdown, linguists who listen to intercepts from overseas, which is quite a critical component. yet, in the united states senate no matter what they're talking about it basically comes down to roberts rules of order versus common sense, life on the street. >> we're in a bizarre world situation. the idea of holding the republican party to its past history with regard to law and order or fiscal responsibility, all of that seems to have been thrown out the window. what's important for us to keep in mind, at the heart of this, this is a manufactured crisis. at the heart of this whole thing are a whole bunch of lies. what does it mean to think about two sides, democrats and republicans, engaging each other in good faith as they try to end the shutdown when at the heart of the whole thing is a lie. we have to keep that in mind.

if we lose sight of the fact donald trump has lied about the crisis at the border, he's lying about the effect of the wall. he's lying about public opinion with regards to the desire for the wall, then to keep asking democrats to capitulate to that lie seems to me to give way to something that will undermine the very fabric of the country. sninting what eddie said about the lie, speaking to one of the fbi agents, he suggested all the talks about the dangers of the wall and drugs coming in, in a more certified fashion, the suggested they send the transcript of the "el chapo" trial to the president to read. >> the "el chapo" trial has been fascinating laying out all the ways drugs get into this country. getting over the wall is not one of them. >> a little over a month, december 19th, there was no crisis, was not going to be a wall, a story on the front page

of the "washington post" that said president trump backs away from the wall. that same day, ann coulter and others went crazy and said you will have a joke presidency if we don't get that wall, here we have this crisis, can't hire interpreters and people not showing up for work at the airports -- >> and a big tunneling of the wall happened last week and a portion of arizona that is steel, 400 people went under and over the wall. >> what about the democrats here? we heard again yesterday from congressman clyburn on the show. he said, we can't set the precedent when president trump wants to get something done and he can't get it done and shuts down the government and takes his ball and goes home and we say, okay, we give you what you want. we can't do that. where does that leave democrats in negotiation. if you say they have to give a little to make a deal and let

him save face. >> let me underscore his point here. yes, he's right. an unpopular president if you look at the poll ratings, there is no telling what the next issue will be that he decides is an emergency. back to the other point what the vehicle is, again, all we have is history. when you look at history of these shutdowns because we've had a lot of them in recent history, the way out of the morass has always been a temporary agreement. i believe if the democrats were willing to say to the president, we'll give you some portion of the wall, it's really semantics, wink wink kind of agreement, that essentially is reinforcement of the current structure or maybe a little bit of extension of it and allow him that face saving type of agreement, maybe that is the way out of it but i don't see that right now.

you can't have that if the two sides aren't talking. >> no one sees an end. you wonder, one thought is to give him the money. remember, captain ahab's obsession with the great white whale which proved to be his undoing as readers reached the end of herman melville's classic moby kick. in the city lines of the muddy potomac, washington, it is a driven and disturbed president's focus on imaginary invasion of migrants that is proving to be the final undoing of his once iron grip hold of a certain brand of american voter. even these trumpists have decided shuttings down the government and damaging the economy and making air travel less safe is not worth winning a political punchline. there's too many things wrong with trump's imaginary wall to name. and no one, including republicans ever thought it was a good way to secure the border.

no one. besides, president trump assured his voters mexico would pay for it and clearly it's not, we are. donald trump owns the shutdown. now, the question is what if democrats start thinking about ways to own the solution. democratic congressman colin peterson's cry to give trump the money for the wall, it seems wrong headed but might be the beginning of democrats' efforts to seek common ground if trump starts grounding himself and border arguments in reality. in many ways it would be morally and uncomfortable for democrats to give an inch. it is clear. why should they? trump is slowly withering away politically, that is clear. perhaps the widespread human suffering caused by the shutdown and the danger could make some democrats feel the need to seek common ground, go higher when they go lower and do their best to try to get the government employees back to work.

trump will be immature and obstinate. that is a given, we expect that. maybe just maybe democrats should take the high road, and one possibility would be they do that, give the money, get what they can in return for the wall and do what donald trump won't do, which is show humanity for the people who are suffering. it might be worth a try, something to consider at this point in day 33. still ahead on "morning joe," there's yet another contender jumping into the democratic presidential field. can a midwest mayor break through? plus, congress sends a message to the white house by strongly backing america's commitment to nato. but not everyone was on board. why some members are still clamoring to abandon the global alliance. first, here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. good morning to you. a roller coaster winter continues, more rain in the east coast and another arctic plunge

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reported president trump has frequently asked aides about withdrawing from nato. yesterday, the bill's sponsor, congressman jimmie panetta, had this to say. >> what we have to realize is nato is not just a transactional relationship. our sole focus can't just be on who pays what and who gets what. being a member of nato is not like being a member of a country club. >> michael steele, the republicans who -- i don't get it, in terms of this clear message to the president, at this point, hopefully he will at least step back a little bit and stop talking this way about alliances that we need. >> there's been some scuttlebutt in some of the circles around the president around what he said. there's been an effort to dial it down if not walk it back completely. yesterday's vote was a reproach

by the republicans in the house, not just the democrats, as you noted. you did have a small group of republicans who stood with the president. you kind of expect that from the freedom caucus. they're his wall, if you will, inside the house. there's an overarching concern more broadly, what does this say to the rest of our european allies and our friends how much they can count on the united states. i think that, more than anything else, is a driving concern going forward. they see the impact it's starting to have globally with the president coming out with these offhanded remarks, we'll withdraw from nato and not engage in this particular relationship. that has both short term and long term impacts, and discussing it. >> the first openly gay candidate to seek the democratic presidential nomination joined the race this morning.

pete buttigieg, mayor of south bend, indiana. harvard educated rhodes scholar, veteran of the afghanistan war announced saturday and his message contrasts with the president's make america great again slogan with a message for a new generation. >> the show in washington is exhausting, corruption, lying, the crisis, it's got to end. the reality is there is no going back and there's no such thing as again in the real world. we can't look for greatness in the past. i belong to a generation that is stepping forward right now. we're the generation that lived in school shootings and served in wars after 9/11, and we're the generation that stands to be the first to make less than our parents unless we do something different. >> the entrance of mayor pete gives us eight democrats who announced their candidacies or

exploratory committees for the 2000 presidential election. so, professor, as you look at this field as it's shaped up so far and factor into those we expect to get fully into the race down the road. what's it say about a big big party. >> first of all, it's a big big party. second of all, that message is powerful and i think all the folks running should pick it up and the internal intentions of the democratic party. there's a core, third wave of democrats. >> you looking at me? >> those folks. and then you have the progressive base and the question is how the primary works it out. i'm interested to see who shows up, what happens. it's going to be an interesting fight. i just hope the party is wise enough to come out of it unified so we can respond to the disaster, donald trump. >> pete buttigieg?

i got it right. was actually quite an exciting person at the dmc. if we're not going elect him now, because of the way that he talks because of the generational change. also, he's from the midwest. that is something in this cycle, a huge focus, who can talk to those midwestern voters about real kitchen table issues. the generational thing is huge. both rudy guiliani and donald trump have said, hey, if there are problems in the future, we will be dead, climate change, school shootings, these are things really persistent problems will be faced by the next generational leaders under-represented in this party. >> if you listen to what we just heard, the mayor's message, there's one striking difference between his message and the

messages delivered thus far by united states senators thinking of running for president, he addressed how average people actually live day-to-day in this country. that's a key. >> that's what works everyday. >> and the problem is pete buttigieg, if i got that right, however town they are, however much they represent generational change, however much they speak to problems of ordinary americans, you already have what we already have a group of americans with such star power and presence -- >> and money. >> and do have money. there will be 25 or 30 of them who will probably declare before this is all over, it will be very hard, not impossible, you go all the way back to jimmy carter in 1976, people who broke through when they weren't expected to j they will have a fight for airtime with kamala

harriss and others. >> i think they're happy to have that fight this time where there are different points of view within that progressive spectrum to debate it out instead of one person and hillary clinton controlling the debate. >> be careful what you wish for. it doesn't always play out that way. right now, you have a real serious discussion inside the democratic party about who they are. are they represented best by alexand alexander cortez's or pete buttigieg, and the midwest mentality within the democratic party is a struggle. the bottom line, as we all know, when you go into the voting booth in the primaries, can this person defeat donald trump? can this person win in november, not just about winning the primary, about convincing the

nation in the following november this one is better suited to be president than the guy who currently occupies the white house. >> and pete buttigieg will be on a show tonight. and senator sherrod brown will be our guest at the top of the hour. before, the presidential administration briefings happened almost daily. so far in 2019, there hasn't even been one. what the president has to say about that. whether it's the shutdown or volatile stock market or trade war, volatile signs are beginning to emerge. "morning joe" has more on that.

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the global economy is starting the year on a decline, according to new forecasts from to the imf. it was warning given to leaders at the world economic forum in davos, switzerland, and heard by wall street, which snapped its four-day rally yesterday. steve rattner, you have some

charts for us. this is not looking good for our overall economy. >> no. there are a variety of factors when you put them together are not looking good for our economy. let's look at what's going on in the u.s. and customer confidence and this relate -- consumer confidence and this relates to that. this shows you what has happened to consumer confidence since the shutdown. it had been, to trump's credit, at the highest level since 2002 and now back down to where it was at 2016, when he was elected. the government shutdown in 2013 had a similar effect. it bounced back very quickly. there are other things going on in this economy may not lead it to come back quite so quickly. economists are beginning to revise downward their first quarter gdp forecasts you can see clearly on the next chart we have, means in the early part of

the year we were looking at a 2.4% increase in gdp. i'm not getting my pointer to work, okay. we had something like a 2.4% increase in gdp since the first part of the year. since the shutdown began, you can see revisions have come down very sharply, the function of the shutdown but a function of other things. for example, the front page of the "wall street journal" says slumping housing market, 4.6%, could extend on into this year. we have a variety of things coming together, a weak manufacturing report and you heard mika talk about the imf. and economists are becoming more and more pessimistic about the economy going into recession. you can see here we're up to 25% of economists who think the economy will go into recession sometime in the next year. that's the highest it's been

since back here in 2000 -- actually, higher than here, all the way back to 2011 before you see a level of that magnitude. if you ask economists in 2020, happens to be a re-election year, 57% of economists think the economy is likely to be in down turn by 2020 when donald trump is up for re-election. >> how much is ebb and flow and how much can you put into policies implemented by donald trump, like tariffs? >> that's a good question. recovery has been going on for a long time. recoveries don't go on for everybody. a recession would be inevitable. this one is somewhat self-inflicted, shutdown a piece of it and the trade war a piece of it. the two things kind of come together. >> what impact do you think the fed interest rates and relationship the fed chairman

has with the president or lack of relationship has anything to do with the fear of recession? >> it has something to do with market confidence. i think the fear of recession itself is probably grounded in more fundamental things. the relationship between the chairman of the fed and the united states is as poor as one has ever been in my 40 years of covering this stuff and it shakes confidence where things are going. >> if the president loses his case, he's been making, there's chaos going on with my white house hand the russia story, but the economy is humming along, look at all these statistics he's been citing and not wrong about a bunch of them. if we start to lose those numbers and i hope we don't, dip towards a recession, what does it mean for the president and the country? >> i think it gets real ugly. the underside of what president trump has said and sometimes up top, appeal to our fears and our

hatreds. that will become his complete playbook, his two-minute offense, buffalo bill style. if the sugar high of the tax cut, we come down off of it and the things steve lays out happens we will be in a hell of a mess because he will appeal to the most ugly dimensions of our country. coming up, if the house oversight committee was considered a spectacle, get this, abc has been added to the panel. it's unclear where it will happen. back and forth between the house speaker and the white house, next on "morning joe." >> tech: at safelite autoglass"

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celebrated writers, russell baker, has died at the age of 93. the two-time pulitzer prize winning author was one of the best known humorists of his time with his irreverent observer column appearing in the "new york times" and hundreds of newspapers nationwide for nearly four decades. that column earned him the pulitzer in 1949 and he won once again in 1983, for his critically acclaimed autobiography, growing up. a graduate of johns hopkins university, baker trained as a pilot in world war ii and began his journalism career in 1947, as a police reporter for "the baltimore sun." he also notably became only the second host of masterpiece theater in 1992, at the age of 67. baker died monday at his home in

leesburg, virginia. from one literary giant to two others, jimmie breslin and pete hamill writing defining new york city journalism for a generation. they probed issues and their honest and passionate journalism resonates today. now, those two columnists and their friendship are featured in the new hbo documentary film, "breslin and hamill," deadline artists. it profiles the two newspaper giants while touching on classic stories and many major events of the last half century. >> i went to dallas on november 22nd, 1963, when kennedy was shot. i thought that every minute of every hour i ever had worked prepared me for writing about this. this is a marvelous emotion for you to have when a guy with a wife and two children get shot.

that is called news reporting. >> you have the press conference and everybody gets the same information, so you all go off and write it differently but it's the same pool of information. >> most journalists would have said, fine, i have enough, i have a deadline. this is the estens sense of breslin, i want more than every other journalist. he pursued malcolm perry and got an interview with him and found out everything including what the guy ate for lunch that afternoon. >> he opens up with the doctor who gets called to see if he can save the president's life. jackie kennedy is standing there and you're in the room and he's telling their stories. >> many notable figures from journalism and entertainment appear in the film with their reflexes on breslin and hamill including our very own mike

barnicle. take us back and bring to life these two icons. >> we started off this segment talking about russell baker, wonderful newspaper guy and wonderful human being and jimy e breslin and pete hamill indicated parts of the newspaper business that has been diminished by cutbacks and especially smaller regional papers, but they brought you into the lives of ordinary people, places they witnessed and people you would never meet in the course of your life. they exposed issues of race and class and privilege and what happens to people who live on the edge, pay academic to paycheck and look forward to a future being this weekend instead of down the road. they brought you a glimpse of cities they covered, new york, specifically but the larger world they were a part of.

they were unique. unfortunately, in newspapers today there's not much space for guys like breslin and hamill. >> i texted my dad. he was a metrocolumnist and i texted him the news that russell baker had died and my dad said, sad, he was everything i wanted to be. he reached down to guys at the metro desk, was an icon but wanted to help people who saw him as a literary god. >> pete hamill was very much like that and is like that. jimmie was a little different, contankerous. pete hamill was very open, always there with advice and counsel, whatever you needed. up next we talk to sherrod brown on repeating bills to reopen the government and new reporting on how the president

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hiring of more than 600 nurses and support staff over the next three school years. it cuts moderate standardized testing by half and calls for the state to establish a cap on charter schools. the district and mayor's office agreed to advocate for increased staff funding. picketing the streets, 900 schools responsible for educating nearly 900,000 students. attendance ranged from 50% to 40% across the district. the deal lays the groundwork for teachers in oakland set to vote on a strike of their own next week. to end the l.a. teacher's strike, at the end of it, comes as educators in denver have voted to hit the picket line for the first time in 25 years. more than 90% of the city's 5600 teachers voted to strike yesterday after over a year of

negotiations. the main sticking paint was over increasing base pay including reducing teacher's reliance on one time bonuses for having students with high test scores or working in a high poverty school. teachers also want to earn more for continuing their education. the superintendent of denver's public schools says the district will rely on substitute teachers and administrators with teachers' licenses to keep the schools open. we will be watching that just before the top of the hour. we have msnbc contributor, mike barnicle, national political reporter, heidi, former treasury official, steve rattner and former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele. joining the table we have democratic senator, sherrod brown, of ohio. he joins us now. joe is under the weather. let's start talking about the

shutdown. there are the show votes happening. they're not going to get the job done. can the senate create some sort of end to the shutdown? >> of course the senate can. mitch mcconnell has to do his job. >> how? >> what we did five weeks ago before the government was shut down we passed a resolution anonymously. vice president pence told the caucus lunch earlier that day to go ahead with this and the president would sign it and the right wing attack machine, after we passed it unanimously, went to work. paul ryan with his tail between his legs ended his isnamonious -- i calls wanted to use that word -- on a high note. it's not going to end this. we all know if he gets the $5 billion, three months from now, whether debt ceiling or another opportunity like this, he shuts

the government down. this is a $30 billion wall, this is only $5 billion. he will keep doing this, we know that and mitch mcconnell has to stand up and do his job and open the government and we'll all be there for him. >> i don't agree with what you said. if mitch mcconnell sticks with the president, there's a lot of suffering and we're in day 33. are the democrats going to hold to their position and this will continue as is indefinitely. >> democrats understand if we give him the $5 billion as i said, he does it again and again and you can't run the government that way. i wish president trump and wish mitch mcconnell would do some of the things, lincoln used to talk about, getting out of the white house and getting your public opinion baths. i talk to tsa agents all the time at airports and walk around to different gates. they talk about going to their bank to get a break on their

mortgage, to their landlord. they have to get childcare because they're still working. how do you tell childcare person to wait three months for your pay. >> the easy part is covering the suffering. we understand the suffering that is happening clearly and we will continue to do so. the question for you is how can democrats come up with a solution. you already said what mitch mcconnell should do, can do, what can democrats do to bring this to an end? >> we continue to offer -- we obviously support strong border security. we are sickened by what's happened at the border with children taken away from their parents. we understand technology and more border agents and helicopters and all can keep our borders safe, the choice is either give president trump the $5 billion knowing it will encourage him to do it again. he'll have a worse problem the next time or after that.

or to continue to organize in our communities to put pressure on republican senators. this generation of republican senators is not going to go down in history as having the strongest most vibrant backbones of any in u.s. history. they have to stand up. corey gardner started, uchbsi understanding he's in a state in a difficult election. and others are understanding this from their tsa agents. one thing almost never talked about, the federal contractors who prepare the food at federal buildings who make $12-15 an hour, they're totally forgotten, they've lost their jobs and you know they're now going to payday lenders and that downward spiral that will cost them maybe eviction in the end. when they reopen the government they haven't been taken care of in the past and senator smith

from minnesota and i are working on. >> that's a group outside the 800,000 federal workers we are talking about. you say you want them to move closer to you, republicans, it looks like they're moving closer to the president's position. let's hear what senator mitt romney had to say yesterday. >> is there any discussion with your colleagues to get 67 votes, enough to override a presidential veto. that's your power under article i. you are a co-equal branch. >> no question. i think it's extremely unlikely that republicans would say we're not going follow the president's lead on this. who knows what will happen a long long time. i think republicans will say, the president is negotiating in our behalf. we will try to work with the white house and not against the white house. >> what do you do with that?

you have somebody not moving off their $5 billion figure and you have moderates moving towards his position. there's no point of overlap here. it appears from people not getting their paychecks, there's no way through this. >> of course senator romney will -- senator romney took real hits inside his caucus for showing a shred of courage in his first day in office when he spoke out. i think he feels a little burned by his colleagues talking to him, and i heard some of those conversations. they're not saying we're going from three republicans to 25 to have a veto. it's a question of there's a pressure point and tipping point and the public blames them and blames all of us, i get that. maybe they can find a way to get mexico to pay for it, the promise the right wing seems to have forgotten.

>> what do you say to those workers, on friday coming up to missing a second paycheck, into our second month of the shutdown. when they ask you what the hell is going on, what do you say to them? >> overwhelmingly, the workers i talked to, nobody has had a harsh word for me and all frustrated and share their stories and mostly all angry at the president that he's dough in and that the country doesn't support -- and we know the president is about dividing things and preaching things and preaching phony populism while the wall street looks like executives that care only about those issues. i've heard about the announced closing of the lourds auto plant and see he's betrayed workers. that's sticking to him. he understands that. then, we begin to get

republicans siding with us to reopen the government. we're not close to a veto override yet but those numbers will come quickly. >> it's already taken a long time. >> i hope not. it's already taken way longer than it should have. i think if mitch fiscal colonel and others go out and get public opinion baths, say what's happening to you? do you have a spouse that has a job? what's happening with childcare? how are you paying your mortgage? is your bank giving you a break with interest, while they're protecting us. guard and border patrol, all of these. >> senator, we've been talking about the shutdown for some time now. the rule of thumb used to be if you miss a week's pay, it takes you a month to catch up. there's a lot more going on with this presidency than just the

shutdown. you say if you give him the $5.6 billion he'll just do this over and over again. there's also nato, there's also the mueller investigation. let me ask you, do you think donald j. trump presents a clear and present danger to our democracy? >> i think more and more people are concerned what he means around the world. i don't know if i would say that exactly. i would say whoever the new president is, one of the first things that president needs to do is reassure nato and re-engage at the paris climate awards and look what we do with iran to make sure they aren't on the path to nuclear weapons and look at a trade regime, i was opposed to tpp, but i also think we need to engage in the world with trade policy towards workers and not trade policy. what it's always been.

why i voted against it consistently. we need a president to engage that way. this president will not do that. but having somebody with the incredible skills of nancy pelosi in the house, i think keeps him from being the danger if she weren't there moderating and tempering him. >> i have covered shutdowns in the past couple of years. i see your point you don't want to set a precedent. the way out is a temporary spending bill, face saving measure where maybe you agree to have a discussion that will include some funds that include what the experts say we need, like reinforce structures. is there really not a middle ground, bridge where you are not caving to him, not giving him the money but agreeing to have this discussion over some funds the experts say we actually need.

>> sure, there is. if the government opens and we can do real negotiations. the problem, in part, dealing with this president, he made an agreement on daca one time on a border wall and changed his mind because of the right wing. this is a president that doesn't -- this will shock all of you -- doesn't have a lot of depth and strong views about these issues. he's malleable. i've been with him in meetings with trade. his lack of understanding, even to all of you who cover him, when you're in a meeting to cover him. he doesn't have a basis to dig in and have a real strong view unless it's something like the wall that's a political thing for him. he changes his position when the right wing weighs in with him. >> you could just call it a wall. >> i'm open to all kinds of things. i think democrats are, too.

let's open the government and negotiate what we need to do in all of these and we can come to an agreement then. this holding the wall over 800,000 people, as you say, the tens of thousands of workers that don't work directly for the government, work for a contractor living paycheck to paycheck. >> i think we can all agree with that. to help our viewers understand the democratic position, is this a fiscal matter or moral matter. $5 billion is a tenth of 1% of government spending, about $50 for an average american, even if you do the whole $30 billion over a period of years, it's a trivial amount of money in the scheme of our finances or moral issue democrats don't believe there should be a wall, other kinds of security but not a wall. help us out. >> i would take door number three. >> i only gave you two doors. >> i know you did.

but i'm walking through -- one of to the joys of being on "morning joe." the third option the most troubling and straining, it sets the pace for him doing this again and again. you can call it a fiscal issue or moral, but you can't take one issue and dig in and shut the government down particularly when there is a political party in this country totally the president's political party. i've been in congress more than a couple decades now, i've never seen a president with this hold over his political party and they will do know how immoral how he directs them to. his poll ratings low and as the election gets closer as they are republicans tend to jump away. >> how do you explain that? what is the question and how

does the president inspire this kind of loyalty. >> they're getting everything they want, tax cuts for the rich. right wing young judges and getting attacks on environmental and womens rights and environmental issues and weakening regulations and all the things their big millionaire contributors have wanted on labor, energy, oil, environment. and the other thing, they're scared of their base. the trump base is shrinking but it's so solid because no republicans stand up to him. if you live in indiana and in republican and like trump you never hear republican house members or senators criticize the president. why would you not continue to be loyal. there aren't many jeff flakes who have been critical of him as you covered on this show lots of times the last couple of years. >> senator michael steele is in washington with a question. >> quickly, i want to go back to this idea how the president is

using this as leverage for possible future threats to shut down the government. you have within your own democratic caucus, representative colin perkins of minnesota -- peterson, excuse me, of minnesota, who said give trump the money or put strings on that? are democrats thinking of going down the road to give strings you cannot in future leverage workers or shut down the government in order to get your way? what does that say about potential cracks in the democrats' wall to stop republicans' efforts and what does it say about opportunities to create a space to find a way to move this thing forward? >> i think democrats are open to any ideas that don't encourage or entice the president to do it again. i don't know how you can put strings that the president can't

keep acting like a jerk. i don't know how you do that. that's president finds ways to do it no matter how constrained in his life. i'm open to it. i worked in my first year in congress in the fight against north american free-trade agreement. i worked on the ag committee with him and got me to show this place can work, got an agricultural bill good for conservation and keeping lake erie clean and good for food stamps and family farmers. we can do things when we have our minds set. when we have a president so dug in, a bigot, does all of this, makes it so much harder. i'm open to what collin might propose. >> what do you think can be done if anything about restoring unions diminished so badly the past 20, 25 years, a key part of the economy.

can anything be done to bring back union strength? >> sure. we missed by one vote seven or eight years ago employee free choice act that would have made a difference for organizing unions. we now have a supreme court that puts its thumb on the scales of justice for corporation over workers and wall street over consumers. one of the ways to do that, i talked to the president and said he liked it. the next day, the staff said he didn't, called american jobs act, and the new tax law says if you shut down production in youngstown, ohio and move to mexico you go from 21% tax break up. and close that loophole and it provides a rebate at the dealership for cars made 50% made in america, about 95 different models. we could do some things like

that. that's not empowering directly and strengthening unions. i was talking to the head of the culinary workers. it said 50% of americans would join a union if they had the opportunity. people who do the makeup and on air people and people behind the cameras here, too often the company can dictate their hours. if you don't have protection for a union, that means you arrange childcare for next tuesday and the company decides to call you in on monday and wednesday instead. the whole dignity of work, workers have lost so much of their place and authority in the workplace if they don't have unions, about better wages and benefits and about a less inflexible schedule, where the company, in that sense, owns you. >> so, senator, i want to ask you about 2020. the field is growing for sure.

it was a big moment when america elected an african-american, the first time for president and then a reality tar. a -- reality star. i have to ask you is america ready for a middle-aged white guy from ohio? >> connie and i are thinking about this. we're going on a dignity tour in each state. it has to be somebody's centerpiece for the campaign is dignity of work. i've seen so many national democrats look at this as you speak to the progressive base or workers, working class voters of all races. if we have to choose between the two we choose. to win ohio and midwest industrial heartland, you have to speak to the progressive

base, as i have all my career but talk to workers and live where they live. if you love your country, you fight for the people who make it work. too often, the white house looks like a retreat for wall street executives except on days it looks like a retreat for the gun lobby and people aren't fighting for or talking to workers. a physical therapist in reno or working at a diner in concord, working a manufacturing job site in columbia, south carolina, all workers in terms of fighting for a broad middle class and people who aspire for the middle class. >> and senator, mika came up with idaho, new hampshire, nevada and south carolina. >> and connie and i will make this decision. i understand the cynicism of "morning joe," even without "morning joe" himself, the

biggest cynic of all. we're going to those four states. understand everybody who announced for president so far has been planning this for a year, two years, five years, 10 years. i never thought i would run for president. you never heard me talk about this. i'm concerned about winning. i'm concerned about this message of work democrats don't talk enough about. somebody said to me the other day no presidential candidate really centered the campaign around work and what it really means. whether i run on not i hope to have an influence on this narrative. >> senator, sherrod brown, thank you for being on this morning. >> thanks. still ahead on "morning joe," white house press briefings, they're out. the state of the union is in. the president's team says it's pushing ahead on a yearly address to the public despite roadblocks and the president's moves to unilaterally manage the

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we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. nancy pelosi invited the president. he accepted. she cited security concerns as a potential reason to delay that. the secret service addressed it and we're moving forward until something changes on that front. >> will the president consider other options if the house is not open? >> if nancy pelosi chooses to go in that direction the president will continue to speak to the american people and sure he will do that on that evening. >> nancy pelosi does not dictate to the president when he will or will not have a conversation with the american people. >> what's the president's plan b? how will he deliver it?

>> there are many ways he can deliver the "state of the union" address. i went get ahead of how he would announce. >> the white house says the president still plans to give his "state of the union" address despite the house speaker's request to save it for when the government reopens. the white house reportedly sent an e-mail to the house sergeant at arms requesting a walk through in preparation for the speech. the "washington post" reports the president is preparing two versions of the speech, one delivered in washington and another elsewhere. when asked about white house plans to move forward despite her request to delay or deliver the speech in writing, writing saying we just want people to get paid for their work. and white house press briefings gone from a daily occurrence to non-existent. white house press secretary

sarah sanders has not held one since december 18th. the white house said the briefings will make a return when they're needed. and weighing in on the dramatic decline, the reason sarah sanders does not go to the podium much anymore is that the press covers her so rudely and inaccurately, in particular certain members of the press. i told her not to bother. the word gets out anyway. most will never cover us fairly and hence the term, "fake news." the president of the white house correspondent's association, olivia, says the trump administration move sets a terrible precedent to say the least. joining us from the "new york times," peter baker, the one issue at the white house standoff for a border wall we places other priorities. what's the reporting for press

briefings but state of the union. this seems like norms are being pushed right and left. i have real concerns about it, even though sarah sanders was frustrating at times, that press briefing seems to me to be something fairly sacred in the history of how the white house and the press convey information to the american public. >> that's exactly right. i always think of the press briefings the way churchill described democracy, the worst system except for all the others. not a particularly useful function for imparting information for a number of administrations for years. the important part is one opportunity in which a representative of the most powerful person on the planet is required on the record, on camera, to respond to questions they might not want to answer or not respond, as the case may be, on the record not responding. if we don't have a press briefing, what you end up having

is anonymous aides this or that. you don't have the accountability a white house press briefing brings. in fairness to the white house, the process brings his own press briefings. he in effect briefs the press once a day or several times a week. he doesn't want her doing a briefing because he likes to do it himself. in the end he picks and chooses when he does it, when convenient to him and which questioners he might take. he does get out there a lot more than other presidents, directly on the record answering questions. that part is good. i don't think the press briefing should go away, it will be another bad precedent and there will be another president coming along who doesn't talk as much to the press and you will have a hermetically sealed presidency with no accountability. >> you cited one administration saying we've become a one issue

white house that the wall and only the wall has consumed the president's mind and his time. what are the implications of that on other agenda items and the business of running the country? >> it's rather remarkable. we're only one month of the year and this is the only issue on the plate for a while. there are other operations going on, the president hoping for a summit with north korea leader next month and the china issue. basically, it is a one issue for the white house, the president saying it makes it's easier for nick mulvaney chief of staff coming in and doesn't have so tough to juggle. the president promised a tax cut in the new congress. we haven't heard about that. a new trade agreement with canada that has to pass to go into effect. we haven't heard about that. a lot of issues he might normally be talking about are put to the side because this has

become the be all end all with the white house. in some ways understandable. he has staked his presidency on this and feels he has to win in order to maintain credibility going into election year next year. >> also, on that list, a series of vacancies at the cabinet level and all throughout the government going unfilled. >> it's stunning, some absolutely critical, state department, some cabinet officials, stunning. peter, this is a weird thing happening here, among many weird things. to my memory, donald trump gives the press more access than any president i can recall, on the walks to marine one, he'll stop and talk, stream of consciousness. you have access to him and he tells you what's on his mind at that moment. back to the white house press briefings, what would you guess would be the reaction if going forward there were press briefings but they were not

televised? >> that's a good question here. before clinton, the daily press briefing was not televised. mike mccurry, the press secretary, allowed the cameras to tape them in full. he's come to regret it. he said he wishes he hadn't done it because it turned the briefing into a theater rather than a way to impart information. he's got a point. i don't see a way to put the genie back in the bottle. there would be a certain degree of preening and theater even if there weren't cameras there. what worries me is the idea that a white house is forced to respond to questions that they choose -- they wouldn't choose to answer otherwise. it's one thing for them to come on fox tv and say, we'll answer the questions on topics we want to talk about. briefing is the one chance a lot of different types of reporters, people who don't have access to senior officials all the time get a chance to put their

questions in that otherwise go unaddressed, off the main agenda of the media, things that get overlooked. i think that's an important function of accountability and democracy. >> this is eddie glaude from princeton. you talked about with regards to the wall, what was his legislative agenda and who was in charge of leading it before the wall became one issue? >> that's a great question. in transition of chief of staff, nick mulvaney has it as acting chief of staff. he did have legislative agenda, what this week was supposed to be about. the days of "state of the union" address was the beginning of the rollout, the president coming up with the agenda for the new year, i say his, eventually, it will be hers and saying day after day, here's something i will do and packs it in a major

address to the country, this is where we will take this year. you haven't heard that kind of rollout and not clear how much the state of the union would be about new ideas and proposals for the border wall which has become his main focus. >> it will be fascinating to see what he does on state of the union. a freshman democrat just appointed to two powerful house committees. "morning joe" is coming right back. he background and she's watching too, saying [indistinct conversation] [friend] i've never seen that before. ♪ ♪ i have... ♪

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in the last hour a new york federal judge sentencing cohen to three years in prison. we're following a number of fast-paced developing stories this morning. eveloping stories this morning oversight committee, republicans on the house oversight committee are concerned about what michael cohen will say about the president when he testifies before the panel next month. in a letter to the committee, congressman want to know why the president's former lawyer is testifying if he won't discuss matters under investigation by the special counsel's office, the southern district of new york and new york attorney general, what's he going to say.

jordan and meadows questioned the relevance of cohen's testimony to the oversight committee claiming they were told by cohen's media advisor, lanny davis, the sole purpose of his appearance is to share antidotes about trump saying he pushed cohen to testify. they also questioned who was paying davis, if he is providing free media services or legal services or someone else is paying davis' fees, it adds to the perception cohen's media stunt is financed by a democrat political operative as a way of scoring political points against the president. joining us now the vice chair of the women's caucus, madeleine dean of pennsylvania. she was recently appointed to the house judiciary and house medical services. congratulations. welcome to the show. great to have you on.

>> i'm delight to be with you. thank you very much, mika. >> every answer to this question so far has been mitch mcconnell needs to do his job and needs to do something. if you were in charge of strategy for house democrats, in terms of ending the shutdown, what would it be? what could democrats do? >> you know what, i have been sworn in now for 20th days. we are in day 33 of a shutdown. what i would say is we should do what we're already doing. i'm somebody who really hates cliches. there are two that apply, that we hit the ground running from day one. we've been legislating since the swearing in of the 116th congress to reopen government. that's what we must do. we must number one reopen the government and recognize the human suffering caused by the president's shutdown. >> so that's a perfect segue to my next question. that human suffering is real. we are seeing it. there's an impact on the economy, people are feeling it.

so the president will not bundle on this wall and mitch mcconnell so far sticking with him. what would be the consequences of giving him the money or a lot of it? >> you know what, i learned something long ago, when i was raising three sons with my husband. my sons are now grown. you cannot rule a house by tantrum. we cannot be governed by tantrum. that is the one thing i know the majority party in the house responsibly believes. we cannot acquiesce to the president's feet stomping of $5 billion for a partial wall, an ineffective wall. so what we have to do is just do what we are supposed to do constitutionally, which is legislate. i over the weekend visited with some air traffic controllers in philadelphia, philadelphia international airport. i just want to convey some of the stories. number one, i know the senator talks about this, the dignity of work. i wish the president would understand and recognize the dignity of work.

the air traffic controllers love what they do! you know what they relayed to me, they are in a high stress jobs they have moderate breaks for and cannot take a break from their stress. when they go home, one gentleman said to me, my 7-year-old daughter as i put her to bed, said i heard you and mommy talking about not being able to pay the bills. governments should not be in the business of making families less safe. >> right now it is. he's having his tantrum and that tantrum is hurting people. all experience shows the president doesn't have empathy and won't be movement here. if that tantrum is hurting people and you can end that tantrum by giving him the money, what would keep democrats from doing that? >> there's another way. i'm pleased to tell you just last night the senate will take up two bills on thursday, one is a bill we passed, a package of bills we passed on the 16th of january, continuing resolution which will reopen government and

then we can talk about comprehensive immigration reform. we hope the president gets that passed. we know that's a high bar to get to the 60 vote required. i think the senate will do its job. the american people will see whether or not they constitutionally pass legislation to reopen the government. >> yeah. there's a chance they won't. all signs are they won't get the votes and we will be stuck in this shutdown. we're at day 33. again, i ask, like at what point do you give him the money to end the shutdown or do you hold and do these people continue to suffer because, yes, the wall is not wanted by most americans. most americans think it's stupid. most people who know more than me about immigration know it doesn't impact border issues and better ways to use the money. we get all that. most people at this point see the rationale using the money in definitive ways but he won't

move. >> i agree with you. we certainly know from past experience the president will not move. to your point, could you give him some part of a win? democrats have always been for border security, smart border security, what our whip calls a smart wall. we have legislation that is $1.5 billion worth of resources to be used for smart border security, including $500 million for judges, to process these families and these cases much more expeditiously. let's remember, we still have children separated at our border. maybe, mika, what we can say is between the senate, i hope, doing its job on thursday and actually getting that legislation passed to open government, and the democrats continuing to put forth smart legislation that includes border security dollars maybe the president will see clearly we're all doing our job and he just needs to sign. >> congresswoman dean, it's willie geist. great to have you on the show this morning. >> hi, willie.

>> we've been talking about groups like churches and food banks filling in the gaps for workers. that's an astounding place for ne united states to be, for millions of people, not just federal workers and crackers to go to a food bank to get food and contractors to go to a food bank and get food. they don't care, they want this to end, we want to end this, what do you say to them exactly zwlmpt i'm nexactly? what do you say to them? >> i agree with you and i want to give a shout-out to those in my area. we have more than 12,000 in pennsylvania and many contractors. think of it, the coast guard is recommending folks go to food pantries, they have garage sales. it's an absurdity.

what do i say to people? i will hold the line and make sure we are actively passing legislation and hopefully we will persuade republicans on the other side, most specifically, mitch mcconnell, he needs to lead. the silence, abhorrent silence of the leaders in the senate, i hope we actually have a break on that. we had heard on thursday they are going to take up the legislation we passed in the house on the 16th that would reopen the government. i tell people i'm doing my job. i will say to you, to a person, no one has said to me, of those federal employees i talked to, no one has said to me, yeah, you ought to fund that wall. we all know it's a misnomer. $5 billion is not enough to build a solid barrier across the southern border of our country and know if we learned nothing more from the "el chapo" testimony we know people can burrow under, climb over or go through walls. one of the things i care deeply about is the drug epidemic in this country. we know illegal drugs are coming

through ports of entry. imagine the absurdity, cruel irony that what we have done is make our ports of entry less secure. our border patrol agents are being forced to work without pay. the thing we want to do if we want to make sure our borders are safe, make sure we fund tsa, air traffic controllers and the epa, to make sure our planet is safe, how about food inspections? in terms of safety, i think people get -- even the furloughed or laid off or working without pay employees get what we're doing is not right and actually this is trump's shutdown. it is his temper tantrum. he said he'd be proud to own it. i believe reasonable minds very soon will come forward and force a re-opening of government. we never should have shut it down. >> to congresswoman dean's point a new poll out this morning

shows 71% of americans don't believe the wall is worth this government shutdown. >> yes. exactly. >> for so many reasons. congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you so much and congratulations. thank you. good luck with this. >> thanks for having my son on earlier last year. >> he was great. >> he's great. >> thank you. >> wonderful. a family affair, here at "morning joe." thank you. update on the north carolina house seat marred by claims of election fraud since the mid-terms. a north carolina judge refused to certify election results in the state's ninth district. in a court hearing yesterday the judge rules against republican mark harris who leads democrat by 909 votes in unofficial election results. the judge ruled it would be highly unusual to declare a winner while the race is still under investigation. house democrats have vowed not to seat mark harris until the

probe is complete. the decision now falls onto the state board of elections plate dissolved in december after twice denying to certify the race in question. the state board staff released a statement yesterday promising a public hearing once a new group is seated on january 31st to give north carolina voters a full picture of the issues that affected the ninth district election. up next, the tough decision some federal workers are being forced to make to get through another week without pay. more from that poll that willie just mentioned, 71% saying the border wall is not worth the shutdown. we're back right after this. bac. i've got to tell you

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new polling on the shutdown just released this morning asked in the cbs news poll if the border wall is worth the shutdown. 71% say no. just 28% say yes. asked what should president trump do now? two and three, 66% say he should agree to the budget without money for the wall. 31% say he should refuse the budget in exchange for wall the funding. for democrats, 52% say they should agree to budget with wall funding, 43% say they should refuse to fund a border wall. president trump's approval rating has slipped three points down to 36%, 59% disapprove. michael steele, i'm thinking ahead of democrats, one congressman raised the idea of giving him the money. a thought i'm pushing because i'm wondering what the other options are? it's ridiculous. americans see that it's ridiculous.

you can do the math. people can crawl under, climb over walls. the wall is the stupidest idea on earth. we get that. but if he doesn't have empathy, which all indications shows he does not, he doesn't care people are suffering. how does this shutdown end? how does congress and the nature go around the president if mitch mcconnell won't budge and republicans won't budge and how do democrats not lose the narrative that this is trump's shutdown. >> well, that is the conundrum that nancy pelosi and her team find themselves in and certainly having some democrats, at least one, you know, come out and say give him the wall but put some strings on that may offer a way forward. ate difficult one. behind each of these posts whether it's donald trump or nancy pelosi, is an animated and an excited base core of supporters who want them to stay in the loss locked positions.

nancy pelosi would have a very hard time explaining to a lot of her own members let alone a broader coalition of her season in voters out there why she capitulated and gave the hostage taker the goods. and that's the rub here. so maybe that sweet spot does exist. both sides right now just don't find it. the american people are giving them some guide posts here and saying what they absolutely do not want to see happen and the question is whether or not the leadership has the, you know, the strength to pull in that direction. >> the more the president addition in, steve, as we look deeper into the cbs poll the lower his approval ratings go. he's at 36% with a disapproval at 59%. and to michael steele's point, being president isn't about appealing to your base, at least it's not supposed to be. it's supposed to be governing the country, the entire country. you have these federal workers out of work.

contractors aren't working. he doesn't have the humanity to look at that piece of the story. >> look, i think the president, though, has a purely political matter has handled this as badly as you could going back to famous meeting in the oval office i'll own the shutdown. the general rule of thumb is the party that shuts the government down owns the shutdown. when the democrats shut down the government last year it ended quickly because it was damaging to them. it's not hard to see how two rational parties can come together. pence has said there's flexibility. simply the president being stubborn. >> you can see why democrats aren't giving in here because by every barometer both in this cbs

poll and nbc maris poll. the president's approval rating has dropped seven points since december. suburban men down 18 points since december. this is all revolving around the shutdown. "the washington post" had a great story, talking to trump voters, i don't know what he's doing here, i'm not for the shutdown. the president is taking the lion's share of the blame. >> the president's tweeting, you know, basically urging republicans to stick with him. we'll have much more on the impacts of the shutdown ahead as fbi agents warn that the impasse is affecting law enforcement operations. plus, congresswoman alexandria occasio-cortez says a system that allows billionaires to exist is immoral and now she may be in a position to do something about it. we'll explain it ahead on "morning joe".

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not long ago, ronda started here. and then, more jobs began to appear. these techs in a lab. this builder in a hardhat... ...the welders and electricians who do all of that. the diner staffed up 'cause they all needed lunch. teachers... doctors... jobs grew a bunch. what started with one job spread all around. because each job in energy creates many more in this town. energy lives here. good morning. welcome to "morning joe". it is wednesday, january 23rd. joe still not feeling well. i think he'll be back tomorrow. along with willie and me we have mike barnicle. heidi przybyla. professor at princeton

university. steve rattner. and former chairman of the republican national committee now an msnbc political analyst michael steele. we'll get to the very latest for the shutdown in a moment. but, willie, i guess, you know, in honor of joe, heidi and i are going to clean our purses. there was a big story in the world of baseball. i'll let you talk about it for a second. >> i'll take my one second. even joe a red sox fan. a hall of famer heading to cooperstown. mike mussina, edgar martinex and roy halladay. the best closer of all time yankee great mariano rivera. why is it significant? he appeared on all 425 ballots

cast by the baseball writer's association making him the first player ever to be voted in unanimously to the hall of fame. >> wow. >> here's an amazing stat. ready for this? in his career 11 runners scored on him over 141 post-season innings. that is fewer than the number of people 12 who have walked on the moon. mike barnicle. couple more stats. five world series rings, 13 all-star games, 24 world series games. all time best 652 saves. and for me as a yankee fan the most important stat is if we reached the seventh inning of a baseball game i knew it was over for about 15 years because we could go mo in the eighth if we needed him and shut it down ninth. >> he deserved the unanimous votes. something that baseball writers refused to give to people like ted williams and jackie robinson. congratulations toto him. he single-handedly gave up the

greatest hit in the red sox. a single in the ninth inning to drive in a run to tie the game in the 2003-2004 championship series. red sox went on to beat the yankees. >> you remember what happened the season after that first game the yankees opened at fenway, fenway gives him a huge cheer because he gave up that hit. we yield our time back to you. seriously let's get to the shutdown in its first move towards ending the shutdown since it began, the u.s. senate will vote tomorrow on competing measures to break the dead lock now in day 33. the republican proposal will provide $5.7 billion for the southern border wall. it will give trump his money for the wall. plus temporary protections for daca recipients and other

immigrants. the democrats will offer to fund the government until february 8th and continue negotiations. neither is expected to achieve the 60 votes to move forward. mitch mcconnell backed off his pledge not to quote hold show votes, votes that have no hopes of passing but failure could push leaders to a compromise. leadership is locked. mitch mcconnell to fund the wall, democrats demanding to re-open the government first. >> first, president trump said give me the wall or i'll shut down the government. then president trump said unless you give me the wall i'll keep the government shutdown. now president trump is say guy me the wall and give me radical changes to legal immigration or i'll shut the government down. >> open up government. open the government. let's talk. cannot have the president every

time he has an objection to say i'll shut down government until you come to my way of thinking. understand, that's the part of the point of this. we hold the polim hostage now. >> the president made a comprehensive and bipartisan offer that would accomplish everything democrats have said needs to be accomplished right now, immediately. all it needs to happen is for our democratic friends to agree that it's time to put the country ahead of politics, take yes for an answer and vote to put the standoff behind us. >> so president trump tweeted yesterday quote, never seen mitch mcconnell and republicans so united on an issue as the border wall. it's a sentiment endorsed by most capitol hill republicans including newly sworn in mitt romney in an interview with utah policy.com. >> is there any discussion within your colleagues in the

senate about trying to put together something that would get 67 votes which would be enough to override a presidential veto because that's your power under article i. you are a co-equal branch. >> no question. i think it's extremely unlikely that republicans would say, we're not going to follow the president's lead on this. now, who knows what happens a long, long time from now and what kind of a crisis there might be. republicans will say look the president is negotiating on our behalf. we'll try to work with the white house not against the white house. >> all right. michael steele, let's talk about where this stands in term of the democrats. are they one any pressure to cave here in anyway? >> mika, i still don't see it. i don't see where the democrats have pressure on them, either within the process itself, or with the public at the moment. within the process itself, nancy pelosi said we'll negotiate, but

open the government first. you're the one who said you want to take on the responsibility of shutting it down and you would be, you know, proud to do so and you're not going to blame the democrats for that. okay, fine. so let's open up the government and go to discussion. publicly, the people are still siding with the democrats in terms of who they look at as the logjam here, who is to blame. and as this gets into this week, wherefore the second pay period you now have federal employees without paychecks, and the narrative is increasing, mika. you're seeing more and more stories coming out of the heartland of the country, in the red states of the country to show how hard it's hitting. the comments of mitt romney you never know what's going to happen down the road, you're down the road. this is about to hit like a you know what storm in a big way for republicans. >> in the middle of this

shutdown, that we'll hold two votes. they are not likely to get 60 votes either of them. one from the republican vote is to get president trump his wall the $5.7 billion. the democratic vote is to open the government temporarily without the wall negotiating immigration as a separate issue. is this a step away or symbolic for both snieds >> one would hope it's a step along the way because we're voting. if you look at the content of the bills they have not moved an inch. the president is asking for 100% of his wall and the democrats saying no way. i will say in the house there was a group of moderate democrats who were showing some signs of pressure in that they are putting together a letter saying let's at least let the man have a vote. we know it will fail. but what has to happen here is, frankly, we have to decide if the democrats are going to give some kind of a face saving measure to this president because he's not going to cave.

nancy pelosi is not going to cave. but there is a way and a road map for this that we've done in past shutdowns to have a temporary spending bill where there's a gentleman's or ge gentlelady's new york stock exchange. who makes the first move? right now i don't see any sign that anybody is moving in that direction. but like tom cole said last week let's listen to the experts. the experts tell us we need some reinforced barrier in some places. can the democrats allow the president to call that a wall and declare victory and then give the other aspects that the experts say like increased drones and border patrols and most importantly that infrastructure at ports of entry where we all know the real problem exists. >> this impact of the shutdown is real. because there was no agreement to re-open the government by

midnight last night hundreds of federal workers will now miss a second paycheck this friday. tsa agents at airports across the country are among those employees who will go without pay. the agency says there's a 7.5% rate of unscheduled absence on monday up 4% from a year ago. a union representing prison officers in kentucky has put up billboards demanding senate majority leader mitch mcconnell end the shutdown. they read violent offenders in kentucky are getting paid, law enforcement officers are not. members of the coast guard also about to miss their second paycheck in a row. about 42,000 members of the coast guard have been required to work without pay since the beginning of the year. in a message to service members, admiral carl schultz, the commandant of the u.s. coast guard called this situation unacceptable. >> we're five plus weeks into the anxiety and stress of this government lapse and your

nonpay. you as members of the armed services should not be expected to should they are burden. ultimately i find it unacceptable coast guard men and women have to rely on food pantries and donations to get through day-to-day life as service members. >> and the fbi is renewing calls to re-open the government as agents warn that the shutdown is affecting law enforcement operations. a new report issued by the union that represents fbi agents claims that the funding freeze is hampering efforts to crack down on terrorism, sex and drug trafficking, and violent crime. one agent says the shutdown is affecting an investigation into ms-13 gang members. the investigation has gone on for three years and resulted in 23 indictments, but the probe has been hampered by an inability to pay for a spanish interpreter. the report also claims that the bureau has not been able to secure safe place to meet with

informants or pay them for their information. according to this report not making regular meetings and missing out on information all together leaving a concerning gap in intel related to national security. steve rattner, this is getting real across the board. at some point, at what point does the overall economy really begin to suffer? >> i think the overall economy is already suffering. the first quarter gdp number we obviously just began that on january 1st estimates are starting to soften. i have some charts those estimates are coming down. the white house itself has said that the shutdown would cost something like 1.3%. sounds like a small number but it multiples for each week of the shutdown. there's no question this is already having an economic effect and one that will not just disappear the moment the shutdown ends. >> coming up on "morning joe" there's a new name in the democratic race for president and it's not the easiest to say.

37-year-old is running for the white house and looking to make the primary a generational battle. first bill karins a check with the forecast. >> you did that well. good morning, everyone. a lot of weather to talk about. fast-moving weather pattern moving across the country. we go from early spring to heart of winter in many areas with a snap of the fingers. big rain storm this morning that's soaking louisiana to the ohio valley. snowstorm under way and plowing going on in wisconsin, northern illinois, iowa and even just north of chicago. we've had freezing rain overnight in detroit. that's start toi that's sorting to improve a little bit. the snow not going to be a huge ordeal. we may deal with lake-effect snow for the next two weeks. one of the bigger stories

tomorrow, about 44 million under a flash flood watch from boston, i-95, new york city, philadelphia, baltimore, washington, d.c. all the way down into the mountains of virginia. it's about one to two inches of rain. the problem, the ground is frozen. none will get absorbed. all runoff. the rainfall forecast, again, about one to two inches. i also mentioned that cold, after we get done with this storm, this will be some serious cold that will be with us for the next two weeks. easily the longest stretch for long cold. right now not too bad. look what happens as we go into tomorrow. fargo's wind chill negative 32. this next cold blast will be with us for a while. i'm talking about into february for many areas from the great lakes all the way through the northeast. so if you have travel plans i want to talk about new york city, boston, d.c., the airports tomorrow morning at this time a lot of heavy rain, gusty winds and significant delays. keep that in mind for your travel plans. you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back.

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my name is antonio and i'm a technician at comcast. we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. with a massive victory margin in the house last night members voted overwhelmingly to send president trump a clear message on nato. a bill to prohibit the use of federal funds to withdraw from the alliance was approved by a bipartisan vote of 357-22 with only republicans voting no including several members of the house freedom caucus. there were also 28 republicans and 26 democrats who did not vote. the vote came a week and a half after the "new york times" reported president trump has frequently asked aides about withdrawing from nato. yesterday the bill's sponsor congressman had this to say. >> what we have to realize nato

is not just a transactional relationship. our sole focus just can't be on who pays what and who gets what. being a member of nato is not like being a member of a country club. >> michael steele, the republicans who -- i don't get it. but in terms of this clear message to the president, at this point hopefully he will, at least, step back a little bit and, you know, stop talking this way about alliances that we need. >> yeah. there's been some scuttlebutt in some of the circles around the president around what he's said and an effort to dial in down if not walk it back completely. yesterday's vote was a reproach by the republicans in the house, not just the democrats, as you noted. did you have a small group of republicans who stood with the president. you kind of expect that from the freedom caucus. they are his wall, if you will,

inside the house. but i think there's an over arching concern what does this say to the rest of our european allies and friends how much they can count on the united states. i think that more than anything sells a driving concern going forward, because they see the impact that it's starting to have globally with the president coming off and saying these offhanded remarks. we'll withdraw from nato or not engaging this particular relationship. that has both short term and long term impacts. republicans are now beginning to express concern about inside the white house. >> news about the 2020 field this morning, mika, the first openly gay candidate to seek the democratic presidential nomination joined the race this morning. the mayor of south bend, indiana has launched a presidential exploratory committee. the rhodes score and veteran of the afghanistan war turned 37 on saturday and his announcement video contrasts president

trump's make america great again message with a new message. >> the show in washington right now is exholocausting. the corruption, the fighting, the lying, the crisis. it's got to end. the reality is there's no going back and no such as again in the real world. we can't look for greatness in the past. i belong to a generation that's stepping forward right now. we're the generation that lived through cool shootings, that served in the wars after 9/11 and we're the generation that stands to be the first to make less than our parents unless we do something different. >> the entrance of mayor pete gives us eight democrats who announced their candidate isis or exploratory committees for the 2020 presidential election. so professor, as you look at this field, as it's shaped up so far and the people we expect to get in the race down the road, what's it looking like to you except a big, big party.

>> it's a good thing. it's a big party. that message is really powerful. i think all of the folks who are running should pick it up. i think it's also reflective of the internal tensions within the democratic party. there's a poll. you have the corporate wing of the party or third wave of democrats -- >> you looking at me? >> -- at those folgs and then you have the progressive base. the question is how primary will work it out. i'm interested to see who shows up. what happens because it's going to be an interesting fight. i just hope the party is wise enough to come out of it unified so we can respond to the disaster that's donald trump. >> peter judd was an exciting figure at dnc competition for the chair and there were a lot of democrats who said this is the future, even if we're not going to elect him now at the dnc and part of it is, the way

that he talks because of the generational change. also he's from the midwest. and that is something in this next cycle that's going to be such a huge focus is who can talk to those midwestern folks. the generational thing is also huge because both rudy giuliani, donald trump have said hey, if there are problems in the future we're going to be dead. climate change, school shooting, these are all things that are really persistent problems that will be faced by the next generational leaders that are underrepresented in this party right now. >> if you listen to what we just heard, the mayor's message, there's one striking difference between his message and even the messages that have been sort of delivered thus far by united states senators thinking of running for president or are running for president, he addressed how average people actually live day-to-day in this country and that's a key. >> that's what he works on every

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the global economy is starting the year on a decline according to new forecast from the imf. it was warning given tleerds at the world economic forum in davos, switzerland, and heard by wall street, which snapped its four day rally yesterday. steve rattner, you've got some charts for us. this is not looking good for our overall economy. >> no. there's a variety of factors going on when you put them together are not looking good for our economy. let's start what's going on here in the u.s. with consumer confidence. this does relate to the government shutdown and everything around it. you can see right here very clearly what's happened to consumer confidence since the shutdown began. it's plunged. it was actually to trump's credit at the highest level it had been at since 2002. now back to where it was in november of 2016 when he was elected. as a matter of interest, the

government shutdown in 2013 had a similar effect. it bounced back quickly but other things going on in this economy that will not have it come back quickly. economists are revising downward their first quarter gdp forecast which you can see very clearly on the next chart we have which shows that back in early part of the year, we had something like a 2.4% increase in gdp and really since the shutdown began you can see revisions have come down very sharply. that's both a function of the shutdown but a function of a bunch of other worrisome things. front page of the "wall street journal" today says slump in housing market deepens a declined of 6.4%, could extend on into this year. you have a variety of factors that's coming together. we had a weak manufacturing report, you heard mika talk about the imf forecast. but then there's a further issue that trump is facing, which is looking out, economists are

becoming more and more pessimistic about the economy going into recession. you can see here we're up to 25% of economists who think the economy will go into recession sometime in the next year. that's the highest it's been since back here in -- actually higher than here. goes all the way back to 2011 before you see a level of that magnitude. in fact, if you asked economists what about in 2020 which happens to be a re-election year 57% of economists think that the economy is likely to be in recession by 2020 when donald trump will be facing re-election having promised, of course, to make america great again. >> how much of this is natural ebb and philosophy economics and how much can you put into policies implemented by donald trump like tariffs, for example. >> that's a great question. it's hard to be precise. recovery has been going on for a long time. recoveries don't go on forever. recession at some point is

inevitable. but this one is self-inflicted. the shutdown is a piece of it. the trade war is a piece of it. the two things kind of come together. >> what impact do you think the fed interest rates and the relationship that the fed chairman has with the president or lack of relationship has anything to do with the fear of recession? >> it has something to do with market confidence. i think the recession itself, fear of recession itself is grounded in more fundamental things. but the relationship between the chairman of the fed and president of the united states is as poor as one has ever been in my experience 40 years of covering this stuff and it does shake confidence, it makes people nervous about where things are going. >> so, eddie, if the president loses his case the one he's been making that there's some chaos going on over here with my white house and the russia story and the economy is humming along, look at these statistics he's been citing and he's not wrong. if he tarts to lose those

numbers and we dip i hope we don't towards a recession what do you think his approach becomes? what does that mean for the president of the country? >> it gets ugly. our fears will be his playbook. buffalo bill style. that's what he's going to run. if the sugar high of the tax cut we come down off of it and all the things steve laid out happens we'll be in a hell of a mess because he's going to appeal to the most ugly dimensions of our country. up next we'll go live to the world economic forum in davos. how america's political dysfunction is factoring into the conversation there. "morning joe" is back in a moment. re "morning joe" is back in a moment

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the annual davos economic forum is currently under way in switzerland, notably without any representatives from the trump administration about which msnbc stephanie ruhle asked the president of microsoft. >> while we got 60 governments being represented this week, ours isn't. >> it worries us a lot. you know, really since world war ii the united states government has played a leadership role for the world. americans have benefitted from the better world that this has created. and we live in a very challenging, even contentious period of time. i think the world needs american leadership. >> you see across the country there's a gap and there's no way a company can fill in a gap. >> stephanie joins us live from davos.

i have so much i want to ask you. what is the talk about trump and the shutdown and everything that's happening here there? >> reporter: well just think about that for a moment. you have the president of microsoft saying we need government leadership. we got government leaders from around the world. hundreds of ceos and leading minds in philanthropy, science, technology, and they are having important conversations and we don't have a seat at the table. so if you're the guy from microsoft and you're saying we need to talk about cyber security, we need to talk about a.i., don't you want your government there? we know that the president and the delegation are not here because of the shutdown. but it's more than that. because a big theme is populism, is nationalism, and the president's america first mantra is the opposite of what happens at davos, multilateral agreements, collaboration. the ceos are trying to get the

president to see this is not good for business. >> it's easy for countries to say we don't want others to come. we're a little less welcoming in the united states or perceived to be a little less welcoming. and we should be careful about that because travel to the united states is economic growth in the united states, it's jobs in the united states. >> do you try, in whatever capacity you can, to impress this idea upon our government? >> absolutely, yeah. i've used exactly these words with the president. >> reporter: think about that. he's told exactly those words to the president. the president hasn't refuted it. but he's doer his base in his america first idea. his base isn't winning. think about all the people affected by the shutdown and there's not a ceo in this hill top town that's talking about bringing back jobs of the past. they are basically saying we got lots of factory workers around the world without jobs.

they are not going to become social media consultants. what do we do? they are looking for solutions. nobody is looking to the past, at least not here. >> wow. you know, mike barnicle, you know it felt like when trump was elected that a lot of folks in the money world quietly supported him because there were certain things like regulations and other things where the president might have been in line with progress moving forward making money. it doesn't feel like that any more. >> well, mika, you know, they were looking for -- >> reporter: it doesn't. >> go ahead, stephanie. >> reporter: i spoke to the former ceo of dow chemical. huge trump supporter. he was an informal adviser to fortunate. he put together those ceo couldn't sills. he said listen the president won the hearts and minds of the working man. he had good ideas but haven't been able to implement them.

he made the point look at unemployment it's solo. look at these great jobs that are out there. how do you make the argument that because of this administration there's all these great job opportunities, but at the same time you're demanding a wall being built because mexicans are stealing our jobs. and he had to give in on that point that it can't be an either or. the president's arguments don't work. >> what's interesting, stephanie is at a global economic forum and it's a very important forum despite the fact that most people think it's a ski trip to switzerland, which it's not. but the global economic forum where stephanie is right now, and the united states is slowly but surely due to the behavior, the rhetoric of one man, donald trump, is withdrawing from the global economic foundations. >> right. so we know that donald trump is highly skeptical, if not simply -- he just disagrees with the post-world war ii consensus.

he disagrees the idea of globalism and globalists. this is his language, right. remember he wants to reassert the three buckets, he was to reassert economic nationalism, america first. and so he stands over against organizations and institutions that reflect the kind of consensus that his nationalism rejects, right? but i want to also say that davos represents a real interesting moment for workers. every day ordinary people who are catching hell in the economic system that they are upholding. one of the things we have to begin to talk about and this is where donald trump taps into something, right? is the level of inequality. the levels of the depths of people working their behinds off and not being able to make ends meet while folks in switzerland are talking about how good the economy is and what they should do. so there's this interesting convergence. his skepticism of the post-world war ii consensus, his skepticism of organizations like that and the reality that every day

workers are catching hell as leaders are meeting in davos. >> congresswoman alexandria occasio-cortez has received a high-profile committee assignment. she was named to the house oversight committee which will have a major role investigating president trump and his administration, michael cohen will testify before that panel next month, of course. and commerce secretary wilbur ross agreed to voluntarily testify before the panel in march about the addition of a citizen question to census. meanwhile in an interview with rutter, alexandria occasio-cortez said celebrating the legacy of dr. martin luther king jr. the congresswoman had this answer when asked about billionaires. >> do we live in a moral world that allows for billion injuries. is that a moral outcome itself? >> it's not.

it's not. i think it's important to say that -- i don't think that necessarily means that all billionaires are immoral, it is not to say that someone like bill gates, for example or warren buffett are immoral people. i do not believe that. >> he kicks his dog. >> right i'm not saying that. but i think a system that allows billionaires to exist when there are parts of alabama where people are still getting ring worm because they don't have access to public health is wrong. >> so, stephanie ruhle, i first asked that to you and what the conversation is in davos, because i'm going to say something that, my father actually would talk to me a lot about his concern about ek sees, about the super rich, and the

responsibility to give back, and how some of these excesses actually contribute to the negative trends in our society? >> reporter: that may be the case, but in term of giving back, that's why so many of these super rich people are here. right? they are so rich that they could build a wall around their house and never care about anyone else. but microsoft is here and said we're going to give half a billion dollars to seattle because we realize we flourished in this city and we can have our teachers living two hours away. sales force was on the stage saying san francisco is the canary in the coal mine with a massive homelessness situation. so people like bill gates who is trying to wipe out malaria recognize this. >> one of the interesting things

and, stephanie, i have to disagree with you on a certain level. 26 of the richest people in the world own as much as the poorest 50%, as much as 3.8 billion people in the world. we know something is wrong. when she says it's immoral for there to be billionaires in a society that has extreme poverty, immoral for folks to have that kind of wealth when you have that kind of poverty. it reveals in interesting sorts of ways what we value. so part of what i think alexandria occasio-cortez is trying to -- go ahead, i'm sorry. >> reporter: they could be home in their diamond encrusted palaces getting massages but instead they are here sitting on panels and meeting with u.n. commissioners saying how can we help clean up our owings because there will be more plastic in the ocean than fish in 2025. >> this is that we have an

economic system that allows for this inequality and expect super rich flu philanthropy and charity to resolve the problem. we don't need charity and philanthropy we need policies and a system that's fair where ordinary every day people who work hard and have dreams can make those dreams a reality. not sitting on their billions and decide i give half a million here, half a million there. we need a much more equitable system. >> real quick on that point. i can't wait to figure out who will decide how much money i make and if i make too much. i want to have a discussion with a whole lot of people having a problem of people making money. you go back to the fact that the president not at davos. we understand the politics of why that is. you have theresa may at home.

xi jinping at home. emanuel macron at home. the indian prime minister modi at home. with the absence of these other major world leaders from davos, two questions. one, is there an impact there? is that having an impact in a way that you have seen versus other events at davos where all those leaders were there. and two, which leaders are stepping up to fill that particular gap right now at this conclave? >> reporter: well, on some level, listen there's a lot of presidents in the past that didn't come to davos. the bigger impact is there's no one from the delegate. when they are not here the big countries, the flashy ones, i think some more work gets done here because that celebrity factor gets sucked out of the system. what's interest is you're hearing from companies like paypal. you're hearing from technology companies who are saying, you know what? when we democratize -- remember

poor people, half the people in the world don't have a banking account because they are too poor. in the united states if your credit score is below 600, the banking system is locked out to you. so there are new businesses out there who are saying the people who lost their jobs in kentucky who aren't getting them back now they can do peer to peer lending and start a small business at home. you're seeing young innovative companies and a big topic for them is trust. think of the two most successful companies in the last ten years, uber, airbnb. they are based on community and trust. we're not so divided. >> all right. stephanie, thank you so much. when you come back it's you and joe versus me and eddie on income in equality. >> i don't disagree with eddie. >> i know. >> i'm just saying hate the player, hate the game and there are ceos here saying listen

democracy isn't working and capitalism isn't either we need to make them better. >> i totally hear you. can't wait to continue. ate great conversation. stephanie thank you so much. earlier we reported that senior republicans on the house oversight committee, jim jordan and mark meadows are questioning why michael cohen is testifying before the panel next month if he won't be answering questions related to ongoing investigations. the congressmen took aim at his former lawyer and current media adviser lanny davis pressurclai pressured cohen to testify. partisan republicans like mr. jordan and mr. meadows gripe at mr. cohen responding to questions that might interfere with mr. mueller's investigation. maybe they have a reason to worry about mr. mueller's investigation. that it is his response. still ahead, the humiliating handshake and near fistfight that the broke the democratic party, we're talking about ted

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>> one thought going through mine is that the audience is applauding louder for the man they did not nominate. >> he's now off the podium and out of sight of the delegates and most of the audience. and some people in the crowd still shouting "we want ted, we want ted." >> this is slightly awkward. >> august 14th, 1980, new york city. the final night of the 1980 democratic convention and what our next guest calls the peak of a brutal fight within the party that serves as a cautionary tale for democrats as they head into the election cycle. joining us political correspondent for yahoo news, john ward, the author of "camelot's end, carter versus kennedy and the fight that broke the democratic party." great to see you we're going to bring in our resident expert mike barnicle in just a second.

set the stage a little bit, the backdrop so people can reaquaint themselves where we are. >> that story you showed was the story that got me interested. teddy white said it was as if teddy kennedy shows up at the wedding of a chauffeur. carter wanted to get a photo of the two of them hands raised. kennedy walked around the stage for a good five minutes to avoid it. they took shands four or five times but never did the hands raised. carter was supposed to have been the giant killer. he had just beaten kennedy in this amazing showdown but he was humiliated and beaten that night and came off looking like a loser which set the stage for him to lose to reagan. >> mike, talk about the decision ted kennedy, a man you knew well, to get into this race. it's the last time there was a real serious primary challenge to a sitting president. >> john's book captures this epic event and the series of events perfectly.

so ted kennedy runs in the primary against the president of the united states fully expecting that he's going to beat him. to know his shock and amazement through a series of primaries especially the illinois primary we talked about off camera, st. patrick's day, booed his crowd, turned on him and it did something to kennedy internally not just politically. it did something to him personally i think. i believe you reference it in the book. his growth as a human being, not a united states senator, not a politician began to flourish more so after the defeat and after the humiliation of the defeat than it had before. >> he had to get the monkey off his back of running for president at some point, even in '68 after bobby was shot, there were calls for him then to run but chap question dick happens and by '880, as you said, the polls showed him up two to one. everybody expected him to be the next nominee and then to kind of

bring it into the current moment, things turn on a dime. everybody thought that kennedy would be the nominee but external events intervene. the same col happen now because trump, if he's going to be primaried, he looks pretty strong with his base right now. but what happened in '79 was the hostages were taken which rallied everyone to carter. external events play a very surprising and unpredictable role in how a president's fortunes can change. >> can you talk a little bit about '76 and the similarities to today with the crowded field on the democratic side and a tug to go to the left and what some of the lessons may be for the democratic party as we look at this epic primary battle. >> i think you know, before i go to '76, the lessons for democrats if you talk to somebody like joe trippi, he worked for the kennedy campaign. he obviously has gone on to become a well-known consultant. he remembers one of the lessons

was democrats lost sight of the big picture. they got so intent on beating each other they lost sight of the fact the main goal was to win the general election. that could happen in 2020 as democratses have this huge field. as you said in '76, there were like 1 candidates. we're going probably to that number, maybe past it this year. what happened was carter gamed the system at that point. the primary changes were pretty new from '6on and so carter knew how to gain the system. i think we know how to do that now. it's a little bit different in that respect. >> the all right. the book sk "camelot's end, carter versus kennedy and the fight that broke the democratic party." out now. jon ward, thank you. i remember that time. i remember it was sort of after four long years for my dad and i got him back, 1980. thanks, brings us back a long way. that does it for us this

morning. halle jackson picks up the coverage right now. >> thank you. i'm halle jackson in for stephanie rule who will be joining us from davos. deep impact and deep divide with the senate set to vote to try to reopen the government as the fbi says the shutdown is putting all americans at risk and making this country less safe. >> the failure to fund the fbi is making it more difficult for us to do our jobs, to protect the people of our country from criminals and terrorists. fund the fbi now. >> and all the president's lawyers' troubles might be catching up to him after some unforced errors, does rudy giuliani still have the president's trust. >> and new questions about how the presidents will deliver the state of the union and where. we start with new questions the fbi is raising about safety and security during this shutdown just as the senate is getting ready