they are talking about the lima group and this is something they feel supported right now, but no, i mean, nobody right now, nobody is stopping to think okay, what is behind, you know, trump's support because trump is not the only one. >> yeah, there is a coordinated -- >> and that -- >> there is a coordinated international effort. >> movement. >> anna, vanessa herrero who is in there. thank you for making time tonight. that is "all in" for this evening. good evening, thanks, my friend, much appreciated. lots of moving parts here tonight, we're after course in day 34 of the government shutdown with the federal -- with federal employees warning about an air safety environment that is deteriorating by the day. that's an alarming assessment with food stamps slated to stop all together for millions of families across the country with the fbi warning darkly about

active serious criminal and counter intelligence investigations being brought to a halt. with hundreds of thousands of employees being required to show up for work with the risk of being fired if they don't, even if they are not being paid for a second month now, the president's top economic advisor has said that it's nice these federal workers are volunteering to come to work without pay, they are not volunteering. they have to come to or they will lose their job. the employees and soup kitchen to feed families now that they are going into a second month with zero paychecks. wi wilber ross said today when asked if federal workers were doing that, he was asked and replied quote, i don't really

quite understand why. why are they doing that? then the president himself commented as far as he understands, local people and specifically local grocery stores are undoubtedly happy to help people out in circumstan s circumstances, don't frogrocery stores give you stuff? isn't that how it works for you local people? so it's been a connday in washin with the demonstrated ability to understand, let alone empathize with the kind of pain they are causing here. th we'll have much more on that fight about what happened today and about what is going to happen next, we'll have that

coming up over the course of this hour. i have to tell you, i have bumped a little of that coverage down a few minutes in the hour tonight because just within the past hour, nbc news has broken what appears to be a very big story. this actually just broke in the middle of chris hayes' hour last hour, nbc news just posted it. this is a super serious story and i want to make sure that you have seen this tonight. again, this is broken within the last hour about something apparently quite unprecedented going on in the trump white house when it comes to security clearances. security clearances are how our nation to make sure people that have access to dangerous information can be trusted with that information so that it doesn't end up in foreign hands or the hands of people that might use it to hurt us. the security clearance process has been a reoccurring worry in the trump white house. there is an alarming news report a year into the trump administration, dozens of senior

administration officials that apply for the permanent security clearances still had not been able to get them. almost exactly a year ago, senior white house advisor jared kushner was unable to obtain a security clearance for at least his first year working in the white house, when the president never theletheless was allowing senior advisor to read the highly classified presidents' daily brief every day while he couldn't get a security clearance, just this week we have been on this story, the committees in the new democratic led congress are getting membership lists squared away and chairmen and chairwoman men elected and as they get geared up, we learned from the oversight committee chairman elijah cummings, democrats are pursuing from the trump white house critical information about how the security clearance process was handled for.

mike flynn is awaiting sentencing and the white house this week, we know comings and his committee want information why they didn't yank his clearance after warned repeatedly and explicitly by the justice department that flynn was compromised by the russian government and he was lying about his dealings with him. after they got that warning, they took no action in terms of restricting flynn's access to secret, top secret or compartmentalized information despite the fact the justice department is telling them the russian government had one over on him. anything that he had access to presumably was liable to ending up at the kremlin. why didn't you yank his clearance? elijah cummings this week inquired about the security clearance concerns over mike flynn, also mike flynn's son who worked on the transition, also flynn's deputy mcfarland that

lied about communications with the government and another deputy of flynns who was reportedly rejected for a top security clearance while working as a senior figure under flynn under trump's security counsel. what was that about? you installed this person and that person could not qualify for a soak kecurity clearance? did you put the cart before the horse and inquired about kushner's clearance and the current national security advisor given his past interactions with maria butina who pled guilty for acting as a secret government trying to infiltrate the republican party. did y'all check out bolton with regard to butina before you made him national security advisor? did that go through the clearance process? did you know about the video h did for her group with the russian subtitles? we know the security clearance issue in the white house is a serious one and a live one.

but what nbc news just broke tonight is about how the white house is apparently been subverting the title, it's dozens of people including at the very highest levels at the white house including jared kushner. here is the lead. quote, jared kushner's application for a top secret clearance was rejected by two career white house security specialists after an fbi background check raised concerns about potential foreign influence on him. but their supervisor over ruled the recommendation and approved kushner's clearance. again, this is nbc news reports from this past hour siting two sources familiar with the matter, quote, kushner was one of 30 cases in which that supervisor over ruled career

security experts and approved a top secret clearance for incoming trump officials despite unfavorable information. the two sources said the number of rejections that were over ruled was unprecedented and it had happened only once in the three years preceding the arrival of that supervisor. and then he did it at least 30 times? who is this supervisor who keeps over ruling the rejections and handing out security clearances, anyway? any cording to nbc news, here is carl kl irkine. he was the executive office of the president in may 2017. so that's like four months-ish into the new administration. they put someone new in the office of personnel security in the white house. nbc says he carl kline was asked in connection with the story and didn't reply. four months into this

administration, they put this new guy into the office of personnel security into the white house. a lot of the reporting about the initial security clearance problems were people were working at the white house without being able to get a clearance. four months in, they put somebody in to get a problem solved. once he was in there, he was over ruling when career security clearance folks said no, no, this should be a rejection. this reporting is that 30 times, at least this one supervisor who trump put in there, 30 times at least this guy handed out a clearance to an incoming trump white house person who was otherwise flagged as two risky to get a clearance approved. 30 of them. at minimum. christ. for very basic context here, as far as i understand it, there are basically four levels of

security cler raarance. there is confidential level and secret next level up and top secret and above that someone that's actually quite different, it's called sensitive compartmented information and that requires a different level of scrutiny. in terms of jared kushner being rejected by career officials and okayed by this guy installed by trump, here is how this new reporting explains how that went. it says -- this is a little nuts. quote, the white house office only determines eligibility for secret and top secret clearances. above that level, the cia decides whether to grant sci, whether to grant sensitive compartmented information clearances to senior officials after the cia conduct as further background check. quote, initially kushner's application followed the normal path for security clearance. the initial request was made by the white house and end with to the fbi for background

investigation. and that is where the problems reportedly rose. quote, kushner's fbi background check identified questions about his families business, foreign contacts, foreign travel and meetings he had had during the campaign, the sources said declining to be more specific. i will just note here this sort of comports with other reporting that we've got, right? we know that two days into the trump administration, jared kushner initially applied for a security clearance and listed no foreign contacts, not even like the trump tower meeting and not even like the meeting with the sanctioned russian bank ceo and nothing. he listed nothing. we know that he had to revise his security clearance application more than 40 times over the course of him starting em pliemtd evunemployment and t reported he had to come to warn him jared was the target of

foreign influence operations and report in february, at least four different countries had been heard by u.s. intelligence agencies strike thategizinstrat. so the fbi background check on kushner turning up questions about him in terms of foreign infloi influen influence, it's not a strucetch not a surprise but what is a surprise and what is brand-new here is what nbc news says happened next. quote, following the fbi investigation, the case went back to the white house office of personnel security where a career adjudicator reviewed fbi information about foreign influence and foreign business entitlemen entitlements. on the basis, the adjudicator deemed the application unfavorable and then handed it to a supervisor. the supervisor agreed with the

unfavorable determination and then gave it to carl kline, the installed head of the office who over ruled the unfavorable determination and approved kushner for top secret security clearance. now, at this point, this trump installed official being put in to run that office and at this point having had that official grant jared kushner a top secret clearance, this white house official did that despite the red flags turned up by the fbi and career people that review fbi information at the white house, the career people that review this information at two different levels looked at what fbi turned up and said no way, don't do this. but nevertheless, this trump installed official said i don't care, i over rule you.

give him the top secret clearance anyway. the white house said all we can do is give him a top secret clearance but let get him the even higher level, too. let's go to the cia and get him a really good one. as a very senior official kushner was seeking a higher designation to grant him access as sensitive compartmented information or c.i.i and something the white house can do has to be approved by the cia and the cia does its own background check for that. check this out, after kline recommended kushner for a top secret clearance, kushner's file then went to the cia for a ruling on the sci clearance. after reviewing the file, cia officers that make clearance decisions balked. one called over to the white house security division wondering how kushner even got a

top secret clearance the sources said. quote, the sources said kushner has not granted clearance to review sci material. this trump appointee installed four months in -- four-ish months in and that person over rules the career people that say no, don't do this for kushner's top secret clearance. they give him a top secret clearance and want to give him the next one up and the cia handles that and would not push over onhe highest level so the cia didn't grant him that. but of course, the president himself could over rule that if he wanted to. has he? seems to be treating this matter with real seriousness, right? joining us now is brad moss, he's a national security attorney that specializing in litigation related to federal empl employment and federal security

law. mr. moss, thank you for your time tonight. really as prieppreciate it. >> i know you spoke with our colleagues at nbc news as he was researching this story. i wonder if you could just give us a sense of how abnormal this is. there is a line in this reporting from nbc news tonight in ken's story that says this sort of thing that happened at the white house is over ruling of the career officials on the basis of the fbi background information happened once in three years before this particular supervisor got there. nbc says he did it more than at least 30 times. is that as much a break from standard practice as it sounds? >> i'll say this, in 12 years of representing people akrolsz tcr intelligence community, government personnel, military personnel, i've never seen this. i'm certain there are certain exceptions of the rule. there are times it's happened over various decades that we've had clearances.

but the fact that it was done here, this is what we always feared, this is what we were worried would happen when the president broke with the custom of not having and not bringing kids in, not bringing family. this is what we figured would happen. they brought kushner and ivanka trump in. there were obvious concerns. foreign personal financial ties and extensive foreign contacts and travel and questionable judgment how jared handled stuff in a transition in terms of wanting to use the russian government's secure line to conceal it. all of those things, if it was one of my clients, they would have been walked out the door, laughed out of the room and would never have been a consideration they get cleared. that the two adjudicators said no, makes complete sense to me. it's exactly what would have happened to my clients. this viblindividual, mr. kline,

did he over rule them and grant the top secret clearance raises questions whether there was improper political inflew we think so a-- influence and showing cia balked and said are you kidding us, we're not giving him sci access. >> i feel like there is two lenses to look through for this story and one of them is definitely a -- this is why there is rules against nepotism story. one of this is this is a very dramatic story about the president's son-in-law being elevated to a position and given what appears to be very special and potentially dangerous treatment in that position. but there is also this reporting that this supervisor has done this at least 30 times f. jared kushner didn't exist, the idea there are 30 people working in the white house who have been red flagged as unsuitable to receive a security clearance who have nevertheless been given these clearances, which means

with those clearances, they have access to the kind of information you can't see if you don't have one. to me, that feels like a quiver ing national security disaster that we've been living through and didn't know it. >> i would certainly like to see more reporting and more detail on what these cases were. it could certainly be, with this 30 cases, whoever the number was, part of it was they got backlogged and caught up because so many people that president trump brought in, his friends and business colleagues have extensive business holdings, have extensive foreign ties because of the nature of their business careers and security was struggling. that's not normally what you have with people holding security clearances. it's possible for some of it this is an issue of a backlog and kline was trying to clear it out. what i'm particularly worried about and want to hopefully as reporting continues on and look

forward to hearing more is whether or not improper political considerations are brought in for the president's children, ivanka and reporting stuff sebastian gorka allegedly had an interim security clear reasons after having applied for a foreign clearance. so there is certainly a lot more detail we need to find out whether or not this was just kline coming in trying to fix a log jam or if there were truly serious important pryties. >> he said this is at least 30 cases kline over ruled experts and approved a top secret clearance for incoming officials despite infavorable information. it's not just he said short circuit this, i'm sure it's fine. approve these guys. there is unfavorable information

that indicates grant in clearance and they are granting it anyway. those kind of red flags, we don't know what the red flags are as you point out in case to case but this is a big story. mr. moss, national security attorney. thank you for being with us. >> any time, rachel. lots more to get to. genuinely busy night tonight. stay with us. genuinely busy night tonight stay with us -ah, the old crew! remember when we all used to go to the cafeteria and just chow down midday?

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do you know this man? he's in his mid 50s. he has kind of light brown hair. he has a nice smile. sometimes he rides trains. sometimes he use as cell phone outdoors while smiling. sometimes he takes the escalator. pleasant brown haired man that may seem familiar though not the most recognizable senior politician in our government. in case you don't know, he's democratic senator michael bennet. he was elected in 2008 and has done a lot of work in his home state and very well liked at home but not that well-known

nationwide, there was some recent chatter that michael bennett migbe bennet might make a run for 2020. he's a soft spoken moderate perhaps fitting with his mild words and he might run for president, his the full quote is that. all of this to say senator michael bennet is not much of a chatter box and an effective senator but he's in the room. this happened today. >> so the only thing that is necessary to pass a clean bill paying the salaries of every man and woman in the coast guard is for the democratic senators to withdraw their objection, is that correct? >> that's correct.

>> thank you. >> madam president. >> senator from colorado. >> i seldom rise on this floor to contradict somebody on the other side. i work very hard over the years to work in a bipartisan way with the presiding officer, with my republican colleagues but these crocodile tears that the senator from texas is crying for firstry respond -- first responders are too hard for me to take because when the senator from texas shut this government down in 2013, my faith was flooded. it was under water. people were killed. people's houses were destroyed. their small businesses were ruined poforever. this government is shutdown over a promise the president of the united states couldn't keep.

and then america is not interested in having him keep. this idea that he was going to build a medieval wall across the southern border of texas, take it from the farmers and ranchers that were there and have the mexicans pay for it isn't true. >> if you stuck today's news cycle into a 3 d printer, that image, that is what would come out. the mild-mannered moderate soft spoken don't mind me senator from colorado yelling himself absolutely horse on the floor of the senate. this is where we are now. welcome today 34 of the government shutdown, everybody. we've never had one this long and this one doesn't look like it has an end. today the senate voted on two bills to reopen the government. any spending bill needs 60 votes to pass the senate before it heads to the president's desk under the rules they use now.

the first bill was put forward by republicans that had money for the president's made up wall and died 50 votes to 47. the democrats tried putting up their bill that could keep the government funded with a few weeks with no money for the wall. that died but check out the vote. the democratic bill got more votes. it got 52 votes. who controls the senate again? six republicans broke ranks and voted yes with the democrats to reopen the government without giving the president a wall between us and mexico. you know, which is not nothing. that means that the effort to end the shutdown, the democrats' effort to reopen this and fight about the wall some other way, the democrats managed to pick off six republican senators, six, six republicans crossed the isle to vote and that gets them closer to the 60 senators you need to pass a funding bill that got 52 votes today and need 60 to pass the senate. here is the bigger problem,

though, if the stars aligned and you polished your lucky rabbit's foot and danced around a patch of four-leafed clovers and got a bunch more republicans to agree on a single bill to reopen the government, that still wouldn't be enough after it passed the senate because as long as the president doesn't get his wall, he says he won't sign anything. he'll veto anything other than his wall. that means in order to reopen the government, you need a veto proof majority, you need 67 senators, not just 60. so you can set your watches for that happening at hell freezing over o'clock. but who knows? maybe the president will wake up tomorrow morning, let off some steam with a few early morning rage tweets and then try to call the whole thing off? right? stranger things have happened. honestly just today stranger things happened. today the president acknowledged reality on the state of the union thing for instance. nancy pelosi told him he couldn't give the speech in the house until the shutdown is over

after lots of beating his chest about it over several days, today the president gave in to that reality and announced he'll deliver the state of the union in the house once the shutdown ends. just like nancy pelosi said. the national crisis died with this wimper today, right what nancy said, okay. and both senate bills failed today. negotiations began on some new maybe short-term fix. the white house insisted that the new fix included something the president is calling a down payment on the president's wall, like there is somebody he's paying for it. i don't know. nancy pelosi put that one to bed right quick today. >> do you know what he's talking about? size down payment? >> i don't know if he knows what he's talking about. >> prorated? >> i don't know what that means. >> so to quote senator michael

b bennet. congress doesn't know when this will end, only the president knows because only he's the one that can make this stop and while we wait, we really are, i shouldn't say he's the only one that can make it stop. mitch mcconnell could work his side of the aisle to get enough republicans to cross over with the democrats to get 7 67 voteso when the president vetoes this bill it would be a veto majority. mitch mcconnell could do it, the president could do it by admitting the government should we open and drop his demand or mcconnell could work around him but that's kind of it. that's it and we really are in the scoping stage as long as neither of those two men do either of those things. hundreds of thousands of government employees are about to miss their second paychecks. some are coping better than others. today the troubled commerce secretary went on tv to say he just cannot understand what the

problem is with government employees not getting paid. he cannot wrap his brain around why people who haven't been paid money for weeks might need to go to food banks to feed their families. why would they do something so irrational? does not compute. after those comments today from commerce secretary today, the president suggested an alternative for federal employees that don't have enough money to buy food, specifically responding to what wilber ross said, the president today said that people should go to their local grocery store and work something out. he said we're all just working along he says. the stores, the banks, the people not getting paid, we're all working stuff out. you know, the grocery stores. the president, remember, also believes you need to show a photo i.d. to buy cereal. but while the president and his cabinet muse over the merits of

negotiating with your local grocer, reinventing a barter economy, i don't know. in san jose, california, mate yo -- the mayor proposed a city ordnance that would block landlords from evicting any employees that cannot pay rent because of the shutdown. we're trying to save our federal employees from the federal government. and this isn't just a thing for federal employees, anymore. it's a thing for all of us. i mean, last night we saw that harrowing warning from the air traffic controllers. saying quote we have a growing concern for the safety and security of our members, our airlines and the traveling public due to the defendant shutdown. we cannot even calculate the level of risk currently at play, nor predict the point at which the entire system will break. it is unprecedented. to avoid disruption to the

aviation system we urge congress and the white house to take all necessary steps to end the shutdown when the air traffic controllers warn the air security environment is det deteriorating, today u.s. o airlines warned. the ceo of jetblue said we're close to a tipping point. the longer this goes on, the longer it will take for air travel infrastructure to rebound. it is day 34. it's up to one of two people to decide when this stops. it's up to one of two people to decide when enough is enough. one person who says he wants a wall he's not going to get and one person says this is not in his hands in the u.s. senate. day 35 starts at midnight tonight. starts at mniidght tonight. it in the background ad she's watching too, saying [indistinct conversation]

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profile but very rich business, middle class outer burro housing development, the young donald j. trump used that start in dad's company to become quite famous. he parlayed the wealth and assets from his dad's company in a racy built for the headlines love life and perceived business and phad a lively life as a fixture in new york city tabloids. parlayed that into a reality tv show gig and celebrity side project like trump-branded housewares and airline and trump university, which was not, it turns out a university. it was a fraud scream for which he paid a $25 million settlement before the inauguratioinaugurat. when it came to his business as a real estate developer just like dad over his decades in that family business, trump

developed a hard core business reputation for his financial obligations, for failing to pay bank ever ba back bank loans. nobody would take him on a customer anymore, except one. a big bank called deutsche bank. deutsche bank is the bank that continued to lend him hundreds of millions of dollars after he was unable to pay that same bank back on some of his earlier loans, even after he went so far to file lawsuits against deutsche bank when he failed to pay them back his side of the loan. he owed them $40 million and he didn't pay it, then he sued them aleleging it was somehow their fault he wasn't paying them back and he should pay billions of dollars. there are aspects that always seemed way outside the bounds of normal business dealings. they have been uncommonly generous to him and not just

him, it's him adjacent, too. it got more rich during the presidential campaign when they gave jared kushner several hundred million dollars in loans in october 2016 right before the election. and one of the reasons this financially inexplicable dynamic between trump and this one big bank, one reason it's of interest is because at the same time deutsche bank was the generous lender of choice for donald trump and his family no matter how much he abused them, he was also neck deep in a russian money laundering scheme. barely a week after trump's inauguration, deutsche bank got nailed for facilitating the laundering of $10 billion in dirty russian money and something that was called a mirror trading scheme in the business press. now it turns out that that $10 billion russian money laundering scheme, that might have been

deutsche bank's smaller russian money laundering operation, sort of the bank's j.v. league russian money laundering operation because deutsche bank now stands accused in a completely separate scheme of facilitating the laundering of 15 times that much russian money. $150 billion. this was elicit cash spirited out of russia through on overseas branch of the biggest bank in denmark, randomly. for years and years nobody thought it was odd this tiny danish bank branch in estonia was handling piles and piles of cash that weren't danish or -- bank that handled them was deutsche bank allegedly. deutsche bank reportedly has

been contacted by criminal investigators in the u.s. about this. we learned the u.s. federal reserve is also investigating do deutsche bank for $150 billion in russian money laundering. and of course, we don't know if there is any connection between deutsche bang's money laundering troubles and the inexplicable relationship with the trump family and organization. we know as of 2017, u.s. banking regulators were looking into the loans to trump businesses at the end of that year, there was a flurry of reporting counsel robert mueller subpoenaed records related to trump. "the new york times" later reported the news reports sent the president into such a rage he tried to fire robert mueller right then and there in response to those reports about deutsche bank. there is something as yet unexplained about the relationship between the president and this bank.

i mean, back in 2008 when things between them by all rights should have fallen completely apart. when trump owed $40 million he personally guaranteed and announced not only was he not paying them back but they should pay him 3 million, too, that crazy lawsuit. that is like a dramatic way to breakup with somebody. that is not a good basis for an on going let alone a renewed and deepened relationship but that's actually what happened between him and deutsche bank after that stunt. he couldn't pay them back $40 million he owed them. when they came for it, he's like no, i'm suing you for $3 billion. what? they responded by loaning him a ton more money. and the little twist in that that is always inexplicable is that what deutsche bank did there is they moved trump over from another part of their bank to their private wealth division. that's how they got that $40 million payment trump wasn't otherwise going to pay them.

they got it by letting him borrow it by this other part of the bank. they moved him as a real estate client into this other part of the bank, the wealth division that doesn't deal with real estate at all. it was always really strange. and this is where i point out that couple months ago, right after thanksgiving when german police raided deutsche bank's world headquarters in a new separate money laundering investigation that appears to be related to russia, the division that authorities swooped in to search was the private wealth management division. the weird part of that bank that they shuttled him into and started behaving really strangely towards him. as i said, we don't know if the tower of money laundering problems has anything to do with their relationship of president trump. maybe trump really knows how to pick them but there is a lot, many tens of billions of dollars of elicit russian money apparently pouring through du

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waters, announced that their committees will pursue a joint investigation into deutsche bank and its involvement in russian money laundering and its financial relationships with the president and his businesses. deutsche bank today confirmed they've received an inquire gary those committees on their ties to president donald trump. the bank had previously received inquiries from democrats on the financial services committee when they were in the minority but republicans had refused to issue subpoenas and the bank decided they didn't need to respond. now of course the democrats are in charge and they can issue their own subpoenas if need be. joining us now is congresswoman gwen moore of wisconsin who has focused on this for a long time. she actually brought this to our attention late last year as something we should have a heads up on in terms of congressional responsibilities here. congresswoman moore, thank you so much for being here. >> oh, i'm so excited to be here, rachel. finally. to try to get some answers. >> well, tell me why this is something you've been so interested in. what you think needs investigating here. >> well, let me tell you. low i.q. maxine waters has been

on this since march of 2017. and we could see that deutsche bank, just follow the money and deutsche bank was involved in this. your setup was really beautiful when you described the unusual lending activity of deutsche bank. but it came full circle for me this week when the russian oligarch deripaska and the treasury department lifted sanctions, relieved him of sanctions. and the money that is going to go right back into the laundromat, this vtb bank which is connected to deutsche bank, is where the proceeds from this oligarch will go. and so i'm trying to hurry up, rachel, because i realize you're short on time. i just want to get right to the point. we see it's gone full circle. donald trump, jared kushner, all

of them have benefited from loans from deutsche bank. and this week this russian oligarch has been relieved, given sanction relief, and those proceeds will go right back to vtb, which is associated with deutsche bank. >> and vtb, of course, is said to have been the bank that was lined up to be the financing organization for the trump tower moscow project, which ended up -- >> exactly. >> let me just ask you. i'm reading a lot today into the fact that the financial services committee, congresswoman maxine waters' committee, and the intelligence committee, that one which is now run by adam schiff, i'm reading a lot into the fact that they've decided to do this as a joint operation, that they don't see this as just a banking concern or just an intelligence concern. i see this as they're look for the nexus here. do you think that's fair for me to read it that way? >> that is very fair. because there very clearly is a nexus. when you think about it, think about paul manafort and what we know about him.

he was very, very indebted to this russian oligarch, deripaska. very indebted to him. and he in fact is connected to vtb, which again is one of these sort of boutique banks that process deutsche bank funding. so when you think about paul manafort and the whole question of whether or not there was collusion with the russians to deliver the white house to donald trump and you think about the indebtedness of donald trump to russian oligarchs, the indebtedness of paul manafort and the involvement of these banks, it's the kind of thing that makes you go hmm. >> congresswoman gwen moore of the great state of wisconsin. thank you for contacting us late last year when these things came together to say watch for congressional oversight on this. it really activated some work on

our part and helped us get our heads around it. but thank you for talking to us about it. >> and as rachel maddow would say, watch this space. >> thank you, congresswoman. we'll be right back. n. we'll be right back. all new lexus es. every curve, every innovation every feeling. a product of mastery. lease the 2019 es 350 for $399/mo. for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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