what do you do with a thing like that in a situation that you're in >> haven't even looked at it >> reporter: where do you put it >> it's in my mom's basement she's moved a couple of times, and it's in her basement m kasie hunt we're live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight, the hangover the government reopens, but the lasting impact will affect workers and families for weeks to come. i'm joined live by senator doug jones of alabama as the clock starts ticking to figure all of this out or shut down again. plus, get me roger stone, a man who has relished decades of dirty tricks, arrested by the fbi, and he's as defiant as ever

i will talk to his longtime friend and trump campaign aid michael caputo, who was questioned in the mueller investigation. and an estimated 20,000 people turn out as kamala harris officially launches her campaign but we begin with the wake of the preventable, predictable shutdown as of today, some portion of the government has been closed for more than 5% of the trump administration so now congress heads to conference to try to figure out all of it for real and which just three weeks in which to do it what is left behind pessimism. in the latest nbc news/"the wall street journal" poll just 28% of americans say the country is going in the right direction that's the lowest of the trump presidency and at the same time weaving in and out of the program, are headlines like these -- michael cohen, defeated by the senate after postponing public testimony in the house paul manafort back in court with special counsel saying he shouldn't get credit for cooperating.

of course, between poses invoking richard nixon, roger stone indicted on obstruction charges. with all of this going on and denied the opportunity to give a state of the union, the president sought to have the last word with a nationally televised speech >> if we don't get a fair deal from congress, the government will either shut down or on february 15th again, i will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the constitution of the united states to address this emergency >> with that i would like to welcome in my panel with me here on set, presidential historian and msnbc contributor jon meacham. white house reporter for "the l.a. times," eli stoeckels and nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian welcome to all of you

jon meacham, let's start with where the president stands today in context here, because this, the longest government shutdown, the overarching view is that he lost this battle badly to the point that there are headlines on the front pages of "the new york times" saying his team is worried about a primary in 2020. >> and rightly the two significant primary challengers in modern history, reagan to ford in '76 and ted kennedy to carter in '80 didn't help both men lost pat buchanan running against george w. bush in '92 weakened him as well. it seems to me he's got to win something, and simply moving the goal posts and saying, all right, on february 15th, by god, we're going to figure this out, this is part of a pattern, right. does he have that reality tv instinct of saying in two weeks, tune in, x and y but i think we're seeing yet again how the reality tv vernacular vernacular

is not kmemz rit with the presidency >> mulvaney was on the sunday shows saying the president is willing to shut it down again. >> they're aware of the fact this is not a good moment for them, the president's base is upset and the president's poll numbers and his standings with independent voters and other people who voted for him 2016, his standing is down with them they will say this isn't a retreat. they will attempt to reframe this so say he's stepping back to have better leverage to negotiate getting money for the border wall. we saw five weeks of a stalemate and it did not produce a dollar for donald trump's border wall even though they thought they could do it with pressure and miscalculated at every turn. and as jon said, this is part of a consequence and administration that doesn't bring in people with experience to give him advice and doesn't come up with a plan beyond the next day and

dominating the next news cycle headlines. there was another a reality-based plan for how to actually achieve this money. there was just a nervous reaction to some of the complaints they heard from the right from people like rush l limbaugh that they weren't fighting hard enough but they never figured out the end game here i think they still haven't figured it out, whether in three weeks the president calls a national emergency or perhaps congress puts something together in a conference committee, funding bill, and they actually can get another money for border funding that the president will call it a win. >> the reality is this really hurt a lot of people who probably voted for president trump, and who looked around and said, this is not working for me

>> and i think people underestimated the impact that federal employees have on the economy, and that contractors have on the economy who are not going to get back pay. there are several hundred thousand contractors who are trying to figure out what does my financial reality look like i think what's important is the trump administration's m.o. for the last year has been to say we can get 3% economic growth, we can get 4% economic growth we haven't seen that before we're going to have growth out of this world and in reality what the shutdown has done is taken a lot of money out of everyday americans' pockets. we don't know the impact on growth yet because most of the economic advisers are furloughs. when they come back, maybe we will get data on what the impact will be. but i think this is going to ache a bite out of what the administration hoped it would create with tax reform, deregulation and a lot of the president's economic pillars >> some early estimates $6 billion in damages ken dilanian, everyone thought it was rather -- let's say there was significant speculation perhaps the president decided to end the shutdown on friday because of roger stone >> yeah, that's right. that was just a horrible set of headlines for him. his close associate roger stone

indicted for lying to congress nonstop cable news coverage. suddenly the president decides to hold a news conference and call an end to the whole thing there are reporting he decided to do that the night before but i also want to point out there were real consequences in the shutdown to the fbi which was paralyzed, wiretaps, negotiations s and you saw the fbi director take an angry, strong stand in a message to employee that's may have helped move things along. >> jon, what's your sense of the irreversible damage that was done to organizations like the fbi? >> one hopes nothing is irreversible it was a significant shutdown clearly the political impact is clear. fbi director take an angry, strong stand in a message to employee that's may have helped move things along. >> jon, what's your sense of the irreversible damage that was done to organizations like the fbi? >> one hopes nothing is irreversible it was a significant shutdown clearly the political impact is clear. the economic impact is clear there will be a cumulative cost that people are going to have to sit and with some distance and reflection, not qualities that are in oversupply in the

american political life are going to have to figure out was this flyer that the country took on an unconventional president worth it was it worth it to the fbi was it worth it to institutions like the press broadly put, which he has attacked relentlessly what it worth it to the idea of a common vocabulary of facts which we can then figure out whether we agree or disagree what to do about the facts but by undermining information that you simply don't like, that has created this remarkable, i think, and perhaps most pernicious thing he's done is undercut the idea that there is a objective reality. there are not alternative facts. there are alternative idol jis

and choices in terms of policy but if we can't have a conversation -- and other presidents may have wanted to launch this kind of assault on reality, but they didn't really. and that is -- everything is precedented in some way, but that is unprecedented. and it will ultimately come out. my sense of talking to folks is they're ready to hear from director mueller they will make a judgment then i'm sure you're hearing this >> everybody is ready to hear from mueller, me included frankly. and then we'll figure out what to do about it but stone -- i mean, alan drury couldn't have invented roger stone it's remarkable. the fact he's now where he is and did the fbi arrest him even though they're working without pay? they were so happy to go do it >> the black vests were not paid that day >> it was pro bono that tells you something. >> ken, you spent the last couple of days digging in to this indictment. one of the key things here is this question about who in the trump campaign potentially directed future contacts with stone and wikileaks. break down what you think we're going to be talking about this going forward. >> taking a step back, we all knew roger stone would be

indicted he said he would be indicted when you look at the universe of criminal charges robert mueller could have brought against stone. this isn't actually the sexiest thing. this is lying to congress. there's no conspiracy in this indictment there's no russian collusion explicitly there are tantalizing hints. it suggests roger stone knew in advance he had hillary clinton's e-mails and he was directed by a campaign official and was directed by an unnamed person -- and when you think of who can direct a campaign official, the candidates are small so many believe there's more coming on this this was kind of an opening salvo to see if stone with cooperate, rouse him out of bed at 5:00 in the morning with heavily armed fbi agents, charge him with the kitchen sink, not yet, but show him what the potential other charges are. another view is this is all mueller has. he doesn't have russia

collusion. he's poised to file a report soon - >> is there a university that doesn't care because stone wasn't working for the campaign at this stage of the game? >> i'm not sure that was material because he as we talking to the campaign. in fact, if he was talking to donald trump and they both knew they were getting stolen e-mails from the russians, arguably that can be the conspiracy everybody is looking at. >> remember, the campaign was about three people literally i remember talking to people who interviewed for vice president and one of their concerns was it wouldn't even take a minivan to hold the people who were relevant in the campaign it's a very, very small universe. >> for sure. we want to turn now to the day's other big political story. according to the city of oakland, more than 20,000 people turned out to see camilla harris officially announce her bid for president. she said, my whole life i had only one client, the people. she talked about climate change, sexual assault, the war on drugs and aftermath of the recession and about race in america. and she said this about the current state of the white

house. >> when democratic values are under attack around the globe, when authoritarianism is on the march, when nuclear proliferation is on the rise, when we have foreign powers infecting the white house like malware -- >> she seems to be having fun. joining me now from oakland, california, nbc senior policy reporter she established herself as a top-tier nominee for this election what did it feel like on the ground >> it was a really

good event you and i have covered a lot of these campaign rallies over the course of our career i have covered a lot of these campaign kickoffs this one looked really strong. the outpouring support of the hometown of kamala harris was extraordinary. 20,000 people, as you said, was the estimate by the county of how many people were actually in the perimeter. outside the perimeter, the roads were lined with people they were just all over the place, blocks and blocks away, they couldn't even see her and yet they came out from this big rally. from a crowd perspective, it was really, really strong. the other thing she did, she's running to be the first african-american woman president. of course, african-american woman is the most important group in the democratic party and certainly that probably will help kamala harris with a leg up it's not automatic that black women will vote for her but it will not hurt she's the first woman of collar in this race we saw through the african-american influence on the choice of speakers there was a gospel

choir there was a paster who gave a very stirring invocation there was a hip-hop group who came along and then kamala harris came out and spoke forcefully about race. she talked about young black men being incarcerated and shot for just walking down the street, minding their own business she's definitely leaning into the issue of race. she's definitely leaning in to her biography, somebody who was a prosecutor for many years. that may cause her problems with the left flank of the democratic party but she talked a lot about the dignity and respect of law enforcement people, even as she talked about how attacks on race need to stop and then at the end she brought her family up on stage, and it was just a very nice moment, sort of a benetton commercial of different people and blended family to support her. all in all, yes, as you said, kasie, she set a high bar. >> beth fouhy in oakland, thank

you so much for that on-the-ground perspective. we appreciate it >> she occupies a very interesting space she made a statement, as beth pointed out, and made several statements on running on being a black woman. which we should in many ways celebrate because it used to be something a political coupleant would tell you to run away from. her first stop was in south carolina also if you dig into her polling numbers, she appeals to a lot of well educated whites that's another constituency that has people comparing her to the obama model. >> she pitches herself and especially today at that rally, she pitches herself as an every-woman, an 'tithesis of donald trump, 99 to 1. but she was borrowing from the darlings of the democratic party like universal pre-k and debt-free college. >> medicare for all. >> exactly >> interestingly, she also pitched a middle class tax cut and said she would pay for it by

rolling back the big corporate tax that the president put in place last year. when have you heard a democrat run on tax cuts? well -- yes. in recent history. but certainly she's trying to borrow a little bit of everything from the different factions of the democratic party and certainly trying to pitch herself as the candidate of the young person and as everyone >> stark generational difference from some of the others we expect to run. we have so much more to come here on "kasie dc. we will talk about what congress has learned about the second kick of the mule on that government shutdown. and roger stone's former driver and campaign aide michael caputo stops by to talk about what's next for his close friend as we go to break, it's been an insane news cycle here are just some of the things that hand on friday >> as though we didn't have enough breaking news to follow this morning, we have more roger stone has been arrested. >> seven indictments today >>

laguardia airport went into a ground stop. >> major delays all over the country. >> roger stone to appear in court any moment >> we're getting something else in just now. >> i'm about as angry as i have been in a long, long time. >> we've got some breaking news from capitol hill. here comes the news. the president will speak at 1:30 p.m. today >> we have reached a deal to end the shutdown >> he gets nothing for his proposed wall. >> what a day it's been. >> wow, what a day - i think the best companies succeed as a team,

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throughout the spending stalemate, we watched as president trump emptied the play book to try to get money for his border wall. it all started with that remarkable oval office meeting back in december, when the president said he would be proud to shut down the government over wall funding once the government did shut down, the president made a pitch directly to the american people in his first primetime oval office address then the president made a trip to the border, flanked by border patrol agents. but it later came out that the president didn't really want to go at all. leaking from a meeting with tv afrpgers, he said, quote, it's not going to change a damn thing but i'm still doing it then the president made another speech at the white house, unveiling a deal that included short-term protections for some undocumented immigrants in exchange for wall funding. that plan failed in the senate

on thursday. and the president saw six republicans abandon him. and so the next day, the president signed a short-term spending bill with no money for the wall functionally the exact same financial scenario this we would have seen had he signed that bill back then. >> 35 days ago one interesting thing about the poll numbers we were talking about earlier, how his approval rating has been dipping is no matter how unpopular the president becomes, he will still be more popular than congress. even though he said in that meeting that he would take responsibility for it, and his approval rating dipped to 40%, congress is still at 18% people still feel like congress is dysfunctional i have heard from many hill aides over the course of the last week the white house is actually the place that is dysfunctional. this is a steven miller policy all along, nick mulvaney, the acting chief of staff, has not been able to run the type of

process-oriented white house that we saw under john kelly, and then, of course, bill shine, who has taken the reins of communications, who has produced some of the moments, the trip to the border, the primetime speech, and you can argue those were ineffective as well you have to wonder whether there will be any shake-up at the white house in response to the fact the outcome we saw was the same exact outcome that you maybe would have gotten 35 days ago. >> and that's a good point about bill shine the events were almost things the president clearly felt uncomfortable with things he did not necessarily gravitate to naturally i'll old enough to remember during the midterms when several democratic candidates were unsure about whether nancy pelosi would have the votes to be the next speaker and some outright opposed her since then she consolidated power, and since then surprised the president holding her caucus together over border wall funding and state of the union >> it's called the state of the union. it's in the constitution we're

supposed to be doing it, and now nancy pelosi -- or nancy as i call her -- she doesn't want to hear the truth, and she doesn't want to hear, more importantly, the american people to hear the truth. >> politico reports, quote, during a tense meeting with staff thursday after watching negative coverage of the shutdown, highlighting insensitive comments made by his own top officials, trump complained, quote, nancy is never going to give me what i want on the border wall, according to two people briefed on his comments. "the washington post" reports at a meeting wednesday with conservative groups, the president accused former house speaker paul ryan of having, quote, screwed him by not securing border wall money when republicans had the majority, according to one attendee. he said ryan should have gotten him money before he left, but that he had no juice and had gone fishing ryan had reportedly warned the president against a shutdown and said it would be politically disastrous i'm sorry, i could barely hold it together reading all of this, jon meacham.

nancy is never going to give me what i want? he sounds like a kid talking about his mother >> yeah, it's sort of touching, in a way he's never going to get the stretch armstrong he wants or whatever it is at christmas we know he doesn't -- i think the first time he's alluded to the constitution was the state of the union this is not someone who has -- how to put it -- a grasp of how politics works and he thought that, and why wouldn't you he runs for office for the first time he blows up every convention, becomes president and the lesson he's learned is, keep doing what you're doing and at some point he has to decide -- that's why the numbers are so important, if those numbers stay low, he's got to change his behavior or not and if not, then maybe this all wraps up sooner than we think.

>> let's talk about pelosi for a second she has emerged this -- i don't want to i say a cult hero but hero across the board to democrats, many of whom wanted a changing of the guard. but i'm fascinated between the dynamic of her and president trump, just the nickname, i would like to call her nancy, every other nickname he has is to derogatory but he doesn't have one for her >> i have heard from people who support this president and said privately, she's been slapping him around ever since she started this go back to the meeting in december when she walked out and became a meme in her orange coat putting her glasses on she's been working him over it's really because she understands the process so much better than he does. he has -- as jon alluded to, never really grasped separation of powers thing in our government his entire life, anything that stood in his way, he found a way to remove that impediment and he cannot do that with the governor and legislative branch pelosi will see to it he can't and she has risen in stature for be being

firm with him the state of the union, some people think she could have let him give the state of the union and she said look, the security is too much and he caved on that one too he couldn't force himself into the house when the government was shutdown he tried to anyway he sent a letter hours later and next day, fine nancy, what she said was reasonable and we have seen it throughout the presidency the last five weeks of trump going moment to moment thinking one step ahead and not really having a real grasp or real plan long term. >> and kayla, the other factor here was mitch mcconnell's relative absence there was some reporting about pelosi remarking on this saying he's basically stepped out of the room but he was, you know, played a big role, we've learned, in convincing the president to on friday finally give up the ship because this was the last thing he ever wanted >> he was on the record before the shutdown even started being asked, will the government shut down over border wall fund and he said no or i think he was

asked, are you sure the government will not shut down -- >> yes, are you confident it's not going to shut down and he said yes, i am >> i think he has been dressed down to a certain extent by the president by not knowing exactly what the white house will sign off on the president a couple of times has called congress's bluff by having legislation arrive where he would say actually, i'm not sure about this i think the senate majority leader didn't necessarily want to assume that he knew what the president would favor and on friday, lindsey graham was in his office and came out and told reporters he's just going to defer to the white house on this one. he's going to wait and see what the white house will do and then

we'll figure out what happens. >> they all insisted, democrats and republicans, the president do that in public before they voted on anything. kayla, jon meacham, thank you both so much really appreciate it when we come back, workers for one of donald trump's clubs say they were fired for being undocumented while the u.s. government was shut down over border security

welcome back new questions being raised about the trump administration's business practices, surprise, surprise

"the washington post" reports about a dozen undocumented workers were suddenly fired from trump national golf club in westchester county earlier this month. we will talk to a reporter who broke that story about it in a moment first, here's nbc's kate snow >> reporter: for 14 years gabriel sedano worked in building maintenance at the trump national golf club in westchester county, new york >> i liked painted, plumbing, everything we had to fix >> reporter: in the apartment he shares with a wife and three kids, he showed us his uniform and years of pay stubs maria was a seasonal housekeeper at the trump club for three years both from puebla, mexico they crossed the border on foot why did you come here illegally? >> to give them a better life. >> reporter: you wanted to work? >> yeah. i do want to work. >> reporter: maria and gabriel both say they presented forged

green cards and social security cards when hired they didn't ask any questions? >> not questions, no nothing >> reporter: did anyone at the golf trump club direct you to get false documents? >> no. >> reporter: but gabriel told us he thinks people at the highest levels of the trump administration knew they were hiring undocumented workers to save money, paying low wages and no benefits. do you think they knew at the club that your documents were false? >> that's like what i think. because they needed employee and like they don't check like very good >> our jobs are being stripped from our country like we're babies >> reporter: gabriel said president trump spoke with him during his years at the club and suspects the president also know there were undocumented workers on staff >> i cannot like be sure about that but he got to know >> reporter: you think the president must have known? >> he must know. >> reporter: we spoke to six club workers on camera and others who didn't want their faces shown. a dozen say they were fired on

january 18th margarita cruz recorded her meeting in a statement to nbc news, the trump administration administration's eric trump said we have thousands of employees and very strict hiring practices. if any employee submitted false documentation in an attempt to circumvent the law, they will be terminated immediately we take this issue very seriously. this is one of the reasons my father is fighting so hard for immigration reform the system is broken now the worker's attorney is taking some of them to capitol hill to meet with democrats. >> the trump organization is a criminal enterprise. there is a federal crime here. these people who were fired are material witnesses to a federal crime. >> of course, you broke this story for "the washington post," and this seems to be a systemic problem for the trump administration

>> yes, it's the second golf club where it's been found "the new york times" wrote a story last year about ben minister, the golf club in new jersey he often gos that had a number of undocumented workers these are two places that seem to be doing an organizationwide check now and i think if that goes on, we're going to see more instances like this at other trump clubs. >> the president we found some campaign sound from him in 2015 in phoenix talking about these issues take a look at that >> by the way, officially -- and i have only said this about 200 times, but it never gets reported, i love the mexican people i love the spirit of the mexican people i love them many, many people from mexico legal. they went in the old-fashioned way, they're legal many, many people from mexico work for me, and over the years thousands of people, hispanics, have worked for me and many, many work for me now, but thousands, they're incredible people.

>> so, of course, first of all that claim as your reporting shows, not the case. but obviously the issue here is the hypocrisy considering the policies he's pushing on one hand and his behavior on the other. >> that's right. what trump said throughout the campaign and particularly last month during the shutdown is immigration is an issue of crime, all of these other things, it's a moral issue letting immigrants into this country, we want to be nice to them but if we let them in, it drives down wages from americans and takes jobs away from americans. this is a chance to see when donald trump wasn't in the spotlight for this, when he was conducting private business and hiring americans and paying them more would cost him a little money, how did he apply that

moral lesson to himself? did he go out of his way did he perform audits to figure out if the documents he had on file were legitimate the answer appears to be no the workers we talked to in westchester who were fired a week ago, the documents the trump administration audited and termed to be authentic, they had them on five 10, 15 years. they were there for the checking if they cared to check it was clear they had not made any sort of extraordinary check, anything like what they have done now over the years, even as donald trump was saying immigration, and particularly the sort of low wage effects of immigration,s with one of the most facing the entire country >> do you have a sense from your reporting if the president was involved in the decision making around this? obviously he's supposed to have recused himself from his companbut lso talks tohiildren . >> we don't really know. we have eric trump, who we quoted is the functional head of the association now, with his father with a role in this, who is at the white house. eric trump could have taken this decision himself we don't know about that connection. >> ken dilanian, i want to ask you about another trump family related story that unfortunately was buried under a an avalanche of news, but that does not make it any less important. jared kushner, you found, was

welcome back joining me from baltimore is democratic senator ben cardin from maryland he's a member of the foreign relations committee. senator, thank you so much for being here tonight >> kasie, it's good to be with you thanks >> let's start with the

shutdown, because this is, of course, immediately going to turn to negotiations to try to prevent another one in three weeks. nick mulvaney, the interim chief of staff, said this morning that the president seems prepared to shut it down do you think congress can come to an agreement to try to avert that what are the hurdles in front of you? >> there cannot be any more shutdowns. this shutdown was devastating. it hurt so many people it hurt our country, it hurt our economy. we cannot let one person, the president of the united states, shut down government again so there's been lots of conversations. i've had today conversations with my republican colleagues to look for a way in which we can have a process to make sure that we can achieve a bipartisan border security package. we think we can do that. we think we can do that within the next two weeks we're going to be reasonable and we're going to do what's right for the american people. it may not be what president trump wants but we're going to do what's right for the american people on border security, and there will be a strong

bipartisan effort to make that happen >> there's been some discussion of legislation to permanently end government shutdowns do you think that's realistic >> that's one of the issues this we went to put in to the discussion here. we think we should pass legislation so president trump can no longer hold the american people hostage as a tool to get what he wants. so we are hopeful that we'll get some support the republicans have also joined us in this effort to stop any further opportunities for the president to shut down government >> would you prefer to see the president declare a national emergency then shut down again in the event that there is no agreement in three weeks >> i think shutting down the government should be off the table. it's never a good idea to do it. when the president did it this time, people's lives were very much impacted. to have to work every day and not get a paycheck, to be on furlough without a paycheck, small businesses, many no longer in business, service contract workers have not yet been made whole and may never be made

whole. no, don't shut down the government as far as border security, let's talk about what's reasonable to protect our southern border. democrats and republicans are willing to work with the president and the experts on border security to do what's necessary. >> let's turn now to russia sanctions. there's news tonight that the trump administration has succeeded in lifting the sanctions against oleg deripaska. your reaction, congressman, to try to stop this >> this is terrible it's outrageous. it's the wrong signal to mr. putin. this oligarch is very close to president putin. the sanctions were put on for good reason. the changes that have been made in his organization does not affect the change of ownership of his organization. the sanctions should have remained the majority of congress thought sanctions should remain. and yet the president's softening his approach towards russia when he should be strengthening our hand against russia >> do you read anything into this in the context of roger stone having been indicted

>> you know, i have a hard time figuring out the president's policies with russia he certainly has not been consistent we had to take action early in his term to take away certain discretions on sanctions with the president in order to make it clear that russia's interference in our elections, what russia's continuing to do, requires us to make it clear to mr. putin he can't get away with that if we don't, he will continue interfere in our system president trump did impose sanctions but now easing sanctions against a key ally against mr. putin sends a signal to mr. putin, well, maybe i can push the america a little bit further, because it looks like they won't take action against us so this is just the wrong thing to do. i can tell you that bipartisan opposition to easing these sanctions exists in both the senate and the house and i'm very disappointed the president acted in this way. >> and finally, there has been an increase in the tension at which venezuela and the president has suggested that all options, including a military one perhaps, are on the table.

would you support military intervention in venezuela? >> i don't think we should be using military intervention. i do support the president's policy here of recognizing the legitimate power in venezuela changed and there needs to be open and free elections. so i think there's unity among many of us with the administration on their policies on the recognition of the new president. but -- and we also need to guarantee the security of our own personnel that are in venezuela. the most important is to in this time when there's so much unrest, to make sure americans are safe so if we have to react, that's one thing but to go in and try to use our military to -- for a result of governance to me would be the wrong move >> senator ben cardin, thank you so much for your time tonight.

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watched kamala harris' massive rollout of her campaign today at the same time a wave of western mostly white democrats may join the rest of the growing field. people like senator michael bennett of colorado, washington governor jay inslee and even montana's governor steve bullock. our vaughn hillyard explains how this might just work for bullock. >> governor steve bullock. [ cheers ] >> don't kid yourself. the threats are real we have to continue to build up our voices, to be even louder. >> how do you become president when most of america doesn't know who you are i first heard about steve bolic last summer. some folks in iowa told me to

pay attention to him for the 2020 presidency, a different kind of candidate than they'd seen before. >> 2016 in montana, president trump won state-wide >> reporter: does the have the name recognition like donald trump or the money or political clout by democrats in the 2020 field. >> nearly 30 democrats considering a run against president trump. >> reporter: it's the root of what made him a success back home and why we're here. could a montana man win the democratic nomination and take on a new yorker, president donald trump >> this is the community i was raised in. i delivered newspapers to the governor's house as a kid. i've been able to do progressive things in this state and now 25% to 30% of my voters voted for donald trump when you look at the dysfunction occurring in

washington, d.c., montanans figured how to run above that and still make government work >> reporter: he hasn't joined the race but hasn't come out of nowhere. it's about laying the groundwork elizabeth warren, kamala harris, all visited iowa in the first week of declaring their 2020 candidacies. that's nothing new for bullock he's already visited the state four times in just the last year this is exactly how a long-shot democratic governor ended up winning the whole thing before >> jimmy who >> i don't know who he is. >> i heard he was a peanut farmer >> reporter: and 16 years later, another relatively unknown governor this one from arkansas >> clinton has zero foreign policy experience, but the bigtser question is whether he'll be perceived add too moderate >> reporter: sound familiar? governor bullock currently represents one of the country's most rural places. look at the 2016 race by county. the democratic nominee suffered a cross foever america why do montanans like him >> he does communicate well with ranchers and folks on average being very conservative voters

when i tell you steve bullock, a potential candidate for president of the united states, you tell me -- >> holy [ bleep ]. really yeah wow! >> reporter: do you think hoe could take on donald trump >> no i don't think so >> reporter: for a guy new to the national scene bullock still has nouch answer does he support medicare for all? u.s. troop presence in the middle east? as governor he expanded medicaid, called for universal background checks and ban on assault weapons and a strong public lands aboadvocate for mon the president does not understand this is an attack on public lands everywhere >> reporter: how do you run against donald trump >> i think if anybody thinks the job is to out trump touch, i think they're boldly mistaken. i think i consider to stand up to him and offer something

better >> we shall see our thanks to vaughn hillyard who got a nice trip to montana off that report. and for more check out nbc "left field "on youtube. in the next hour, producers .

one time trump ally roger stone is weighing in on the mull proesh he says he would be honest with the special counsel if he does end up cooperating >> government is back up and running but only until february 15th the president putting the pressure on lawmakers, warning that a compromise will not be easy new reporting that one of president trump's golf clubs was employing undocumented workers but then fired them earlier this month over the president's standoff over the border wall. good morning everyone, it'